McNabb Trade Rumor du jour (1 Viewer)

[dhockster]

'Skins fan here. I've watched McNabb for many years, not just as a NFC East follower, but also because he's been on a dynasty roster of mine for forever.

The bi-polar nature of the Eagles fans when discussing McNabb isn't that hard to figure out, as amusing as it is on the surface. McNabb is, overall, better than all but probably about 5 to 7 QB's in the league. He's more athletic than a few of those ranked ahead of him, and when he's at his best he ranks in the top 3 most likely and is a very dynamic playmaker. When he's at his worst, however, with inaccurate throws and untimely picks, he ranks far lower and is frustrating. Also, his leadership skills have been routinely questioned by those who are willing to speak publicly on the matter.

The problem for McNabb and Philly fans is that McNabb falls just outside the "elite" or even "very good" category of QB's. Part of that is his very inconsistency, and unfortunately for him that inconsistency seems to manifest itself most when the games are most important - in the playoffs, and especially the later rounds of the playoffs, and especially late in those games when his team most needs him to make plays. After 10+ years there's a remarkably consistent and unmistakable pattern there.

In essence, McNabb is the Marty Schottenheimer of QB's. A proven winner, better than most, one of the all-time winners in terms of stats, but lacking . . . something.

As usual, the Shark Pool's fantasy orientation has people tending to focus primarily (not exclusively) upon stats, or at least using them as their starting point. McNabb's stats don't reveal the problems here. He's a better version of Aaron Brooks in that regard.

So, the dilemma is this: as an Eagles fan, do you try to replace a top 5-7 QB, which is very difficult to do as some teams can go decades before they successfully accomplish this? Or do you stay satisfied with your flawed, non-elite yet still well-above average QB who consistently abuses the three most important teams that that team plays and who therefore consistently gets his team into the playoffs with a chance at a championship? I guess it depends upon what you want.

The best recent example of a team addressing this dilemma is the Packers with the Favre-Rodgers saga. IMHO, Rodgers and Kolb may be good comparisons as QB prospects. McNabb is no Favre, however McNabb is also five years younger than Favre was when the Packers finally made the switch. What's interesting about McNabb and Favre is that both have a tendency to quarterback badly in big games, though in very different ways.

I will tell you this: while I like Kolb and think he's promising, as a 'Skins fan I'd like for McNabb to depart Philly because I know that whoever they replace McNabb with can't abuse my team any more than McNabb has.

Good Perspective from a Skins fan. I, and I think the majority (not everyone) of Eagles fans feel this way:

-We appreciate McNabb for the success he has helped bring to the team in the last decade.

-We are frustrated that the Eagles have gotten close to winning a championship, but haven't won one. That is

not all McNabb's fault, but rightly or wrongly, he, as QB, gets the most blame.

-Rather than continue with the definition of insanity (trying the same thing over and over again and expecting a

different result), we would like to try something different. We have faith that the Eagles have groomed a good

replacement for McNabb in Kevin Kolb.

-If we can get some compensation for McNabb that will help us improve our defense, then that is a bonus.

 

[Stillers Jr.]

A few observations from a Philly resident...

I think trading McNabb will be a disaster for the Iggles. Andy Reid is the problem, not McNabb.

If McNabb is traded Iggles record next year is 8-8 or 9-7.

Is Kevin Kolb really that good to where you can be so confident trading away your "franchise" QB?

Are you familiar with the term "Better the devil you know than the devil you don't"?

All I'm saying is I wouldn't be running through the streets doing an Irish Jig if McNabb goes somewhere else.

There is no way you can determine that the Eagles will be 8-8 or 9-7 next year. Their record will be more dependent on what additions they make on defense then who is the QB.And quite frankly, sometimes you need to take one step back to take two steps forward.

I would figure a seasoned starting QB vs a relative rookie QB is worth 2-3 wins a year...no? Generally speaking?What was the Iggles record last year? So subtract 2 or 3 is all I was hypothesizing.

The real point I wanted to make was, for my money, Andy Reid is much more culpable for any Iggle team short fallings than McNabb. That's what I've seen anyway.

I obviously admit that who knows, maybe Kolb comes in and has a Roethlisberger-type 1st season as starter and wins 12 or 13 games. I'd wager against it though from an odds perspective.

 

[unckeyherb]

A few observations from a Philly resident...

I think trading McNabb will be a disaster for the Iggles. Andy Reid is the problem, not McNabb.

If McNabb is traded Iggles record next year is 8-8 or 9-7.

Is Kevin Kolb really that good to where you can be so confident trading away your "franchise" QB?

Are you familiar with the term "Better the devil you know than the devil you don't"?

All I'm saying is I wouldn't be running through the streets doing an Irish Jig if McNabb goes somewhere else.

There is no way you can determine that the Eagles will be 8-8 or 9-7 next year. Their record will be more dependent on what additions they make on defense then who is the QB.And quite frankly, sometimes you need to take one step back to take two steps forward.

I would figure a seasoned starting QB vs a relative rookie QB is worth 2-3 wins a year...no? Generally speaking?What was the Iggles record last year? So subtract 2 or 3 is all I was hypothesizing.

The real point I wanted to make was, for my money, Andy Reid is much more culpable for any Iggle team short fallings than McNabb. That's what I've seen anyway.

I obviously admit that who knows, maybe Kolb comes in and has a Roethlisberger-type 1st season as starter and wins 12 or 13 games. I'd wager against it though from an odds perspective.

I agree with everything stated above. I'd say the likelihood of Kolb winning 12 or 13 games is equal to or less than him winning only 5 or 6. No one knows and there are so many variables in what the Eagles do on the other side of the ball that will have a big impact on the outcome of next season. I'll say this, i think its foolish to expect him to do better than McNabb right out of the gate, so I don't see us making the playoffs this year based on the teams performance last year. I don't want to get rid of McNabb, but it comes down to getting as much value as you can, while you can. McNabb will walk away next year and the Birds will get nothing. Might as well see whats out there in terms of offers, take a season or two to grow your young group of players and hope that in 2012-2013 you are making a run at the title again. This comes with the caveat that the odds are you will have a team that is equal to or worse than any team of the last decade, for the next year or two..

 

[G-King]

Matt Schaub and Aaron Rodgers are two nice precedents.

Not saying KK is going to be one of those guys, but he was really highly regarded at the 2007 draft. I'm ready to give Kevin the shot.

Jeff you forgot Scott Mitchell and Rob Johnson.

It's more credible to me that Kolb can succeed because, like Rodgers, the team that first drafted him and has watched him work for years as an understudy wishes to retain him. It's far easier to put one over on another team after a nice game or two, as occurred in the case of Mitchell and Johnson.

They do? I mean, they MIGHT. But as of right now Reid said all three QBs are being talked about, and Kolb is on the last year of his rookie contract. So yeah, if the Eagles let McNabb walk and make Kolb the starter, what you just said could be true. But it's just as likely (and what I'm rooting for) that the Eagles will pawn Kolb off b/c I'm sure more teams would be willing to pay for a young guy who isn't expecting a monster contract extension to OK the move.

Oh really? What makes you think that?

 

[Tong Po]

Non-Eagles fans should be rooting for a McNabb trade just for the pure entertainment value of the cannibalistic feeding frenzy that will take place among Philly fans.

Philly fans flip from day to day, it's that "what have you done for me lately, oh yeah, but so what" mentality. The saga rolls on ...

Yeah..... only Philly fans do that.

 

[G-King]

McNabb gets his numbers but he is a TERRIBLE excuse for a leader. His former teammate Hugh Douglas has said as much on WIP in Philly. Anybody questioning whether McNabb can lead the Eagles to a title should rewatch the Super Bowl he was in sometime. It is always said that he had crap at WR but that was the year he had TO in his prime. TO came back from the ankle injury and along with the rest of the receivers had a great game. McNabb threw for 357 yards but didnt hit a single receiver in stride all game. Every pass was a foot behind the receiver or at their ankles. The Eagle receivers as a group were truly great that day.

That day is indicative of McNabb's career.

If this is true, why is Andy Reid so fiercely loyal to him?If memory serves, the Eagles have used a lot of other QBs, each also succeeding, such as AJ Feeley, Garcia, Kolb, etc. These players were not equally successful in other places. Is the Eagles situation more system and less talent driven?

I've seen Mcnabb make some amazing plays, but I don't really follow him week to week. He's 33, so he should be in his prime as far as QBs are concerned.

Something tells me this may be a ploy perhaps to drive up Kolbs value, and he might be the guy they end up trading. I also think Kolb has AJ Feeley 2.0 written all over him.

If whatever is telling you that this is a ploy to drive up the value is true, then wouldnt the offer of TWO 1st and a 3rd from Seattle been enough for you? I mean, if all the Eagles are doing is hoping to dump "AJ Feely 2.0" for the best deal- Then I say mission accomplished and TAKE IT! Or maybe its that they think he is a little better than a 2.0

 

[Zoomanji]

A few observations from a Philly resident...

I think trading McNabb will be a disaster for the Iggles. Andy Reid is the problem, not McNabb.

If McNabb is traded Iggles record next year is 8-8 or 9-7.

Is Kevin Kolb really that good to where you can be so confident trading away your "franchise" QB?

Are you familiar with the term "Better the devil you know than the devil you don't"?

All I'm saying is I wouldn't be running through the streets doing an Irish Jig if McNabb goes somewhere else.

There is no way you can determine that the Eagles will be 8-8 or 9-7 next year. Their record will be more dependent on what additions they make on defense then who is the QB.And quite frankly, sometimes you need to take one step back to take two steps forward.

I would figure a seasoned starting QB vs a relative rookie QB is worth 2-3 wins a year...no? Generally speaking?What was the Iggles record last year? So subtract 2 or 3 is all I was hypothesizing.

The real point I wanted to make was, for my money, Andy Reid is much more culpable for any Iggle team short fallings than McNabb. That's what I've seen anyway.

I obviously admit that who knows, maybe Kolb comes in and has a Roethlisberger-type 1st season as starter and wins 12 or 13 games. I'd wager against it though from an odds perspective.

Please stop

TIA

 

[Zoomanji]

Matt Schaub and Aaron Rodgers are two nice precedents.

Not saying KK is going to be one of those guys, but he was really highly regarded at the 2007 draft. I'm ready to give Kevin the shot.

Jeff you forgot Scott Mitchell and Rob Johnson.

It's more credible to me that Kolb can succeed because, like Rodgers, the team that first drafted him and has watched him work for years as an understudy wishes to retain him. It's far easier to put one over on another team after a nice game or two, as occurred in the case of Mitchell and Johnson.

They do? I mean, they MIGHT. But as of right now Reid said all three QBs are being talked about, and Kolb is on the last year of his rookie contract. So yeah, if the Eagles let McNabb walk and make Kolb the starter, what you just said could be true. But it's just as likely (and what I'm rooting for) that the Eagles will pawn Kolb off b/c I'm sure more teams would be willing to pay for a young guy who isn't expecting a monster contract extension to OK the move.

Oh really? What makes you think that?

Pretty sad if he thinks he deserves a big payday for sitting on the bench for 3 years and having 2 good games (only winning 1 of them).

Sounds like he's motivated by $$$ not winning

 

[Chase Stuart]

I would figure a seasoned starting QB vs a relative rookie QB is worth 2-3 wins a year...no? Generally speaking?

Considering some feel Kolb is already better than McNabb.. no.Kolb is nowhere near a relative rookie; he's a fourth year QB who already has had some playing time and has been in the same system all four years. Aaron Rodgers didn't play like a relative rookie after sitting for three years -- he was very good in year 4. Philip Rivers didn't play like a relative rookie after sitting for two years -- he was very good (although he's since become awesome) in year three. By the time you're a 4th year QB, you're ready to go. Kolb will be 26 in August and have been studying the same playbook and NFL defenses for three years; he's ready now.(Note: being ready doesn't mean he's better than McNabb. Just saying he's nothing like a rookie.)

 

[Jason Wood]

Matt Schaub and Aaron Rodgers are two nice precedents.

Not saying KK is going to be one of those guys, but he was really highly regarded at the 2007 draft. I'm ready to give Kevin the shot.

Jeff you forgot Scott Mitchell and Rob Johnson.

It's more credible to me that Kolb can succeed because, like Rodgers, the team that first drafted him and has watched him work for years as an understudy wishes to retain him. It's far easier to put one over on another team after a nice game or two, as occurred in the case of Mitchell and Johnson.

They do? I mean, they MIGHT. But as of right now Reid said all three QBs are being talked about, and Kolb is on the last year of his rookie contract. So yeah, if the Eagles let McNabb walk and make Kolb the starter, what you just said could be true. But it's just as likely (and what I'm rooting for) that the Eagles will pawn Kolb off b/c I'm sure more teams would be willing to pay for a young guy who isn't expecting a monster contract extension to OK the move.

Oh really? What makes you think that?

Because I'm going to presume Kolb is rational and he realizes he's done next to nothing thus far in his career? If he starts this year, and plays well, then I'm quite sure the Eagles (or whoever trades for him) would sign him to a hefty extension, but not before. Not everyone is as dumb as the KC Chiefs

 

[Chase Stuart]

Pretty sad if he thinks he deserves a big payday for sitting on the bench for 3 years and having 2 good games (only winning 1 of them).Sounds like he's motivated by $$$ not winning

You don't get paid in the NFL what you deserve; you get paid for how you project to be in the future. That's why Charlie Whitehurst signed a much better contract than LaDainian Tomlinson.

 

[G-King]

They do? I mean, they MIGHT. But as of right now Reid said all three QBs are being talked about, and Kolb is on the last year of his rookie contract. So yeah, if the Eagles let McNabb walk and make Kolb the starter, what you just said could be true. But it's just as likely (and what I'm rooting for) that the Eagles will pawn Kolb off b/c I'm sure more teams would be willing to pay for a young guy who isn't expecting a monster contract extension to OK the move.

Oh really? What makes you think that?

Pretty sad if he thinks he deserves a big payday for sitting on the bench for 3 years and having 2 good games (only winning 1 of them).

Sounds like he's motivated by $$$ not winning

Are you for real???

So everybody that wants to win must play for free? Career ending injury risk be damned. And because hes been a good soldier, worked hard in practice, knows the playbook better than the starter in front of him, never whined, or complained about anything, has all the respect of everyone on the team, means he plays for peanuts just to get to try and "win"???

Either your or .

Good luck in your business endeavors.

 

[Gopher State]

Raiders | Have inquired about McNabb

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Wed, 24 Mar 2010 15:00:57 -0700

Charles Robinson, of Yahoo! Sports, reports the Oakland Raiders have inquired about the availability of Philadelphia Eagles QB Donovan McNabb, according to sources. A source said McNabb likely would not sign a long-term deal with the Raiders, which would be a sticking point in a possible trade.

 

[G-King]

Pretty sad if he thinks he deserves a big payday for sitting on the bench for 3 years and having 2 good games (only winning 1 of them).Sounds like he's motivated by $$$ not winning

You don't get paid in the NFL what you deserve; you get paid for how you project to be in the future. That's why Charlie Whitehurst signed a much better contract than LaDainian Tomlinson.

Exactly.

 

[massraider]

If whatever is telling you that this is a ploy to drive up the value is true, then wouldnt the offer of TWO 1st and a 3rd from Seattle been enough for you? I mean, if all the Eagles are doing is hoping to dump "AJ Feely 2.0" for the best deal- Then I say mission accomplished and TAKE IT!

Or maybe its that they think he is a little better than a 2.0

What are you talking about?

 

[Jason Wood]

Pretty sad if he thinks he deserves a big payday for sitting on the bench for 3 years and having 2 good games (only winning 1 of them).Sounds like he's motivated by $$$ not winning

You don't get paid in the NFL what you deserve; you get paid for how you project to be in the future. That's why Charlie Whitehurst signed a much better contract than LaDainian Tomlinson.

Sure GB, but let's be fair. Kolb isn't going to take a deal that Whitehurst signed. And no team, outside of Philly who has seen a lot more of him in practice/film rooms/etc..., would be in the position to sign him to a long-term extension right now. It would be the same kind of risk that they would have having to sign a rookie QB to a monster contract without the benefit of knowing how they'll do.But if a team trades for him and he starts producing right away? Then yeah, I could see an extension done in short order.

 

[menobrown]

Pretty sad if he thinks he deserves a big payday for sitting on the bench for 3 years and having 2 good games (only winning 1 of them).

Sounds like he's motivated by $$$ not winning

You don't get paid in the NFL what you deserve; you get paid for how you project to be in the future. That's why Charlie Whitehurst signed a much better contract than LaDainian Tomlinson.

Sure GB, but let's be fair. Kolb isn't going to take a deal that Whitehurst signed. And no team, outside of Philly who has seen a lot more of him in practice/film rooms/etc..., would be in the position to sign him to a long-term extension right now. It would be the same kind of risk that they would have having to sign a rookie QB to a monster contract without the benefit of knowing how they'll do.But if a team trades for him and he starts producing right away? Then yeah, I could see an extension done in short order.

I don't believe that to be true and we have recent precedent to suggest a team would in fact be in a position to sign Kolb to a long term deal. Kolb's situation is very similar to Matt Schaub's in Atlanta. A guy who was on the bench for most of his first 3 years with just a few starts on his resume. Before the trade with the Texans could be finalized Schaub and the Texans had to first agree on a 3 year contract extension.

 

[Jason Wood]

Pretty sad if he thinks he deserves a big payday for sitting on the bench for 3 years and having 2 good games (only winning 1 of them).

Sounds like he's motivated by $$$ not winning

You don't get paid in the NFL what you deserve; you get paid for how you project to be in the future. That's why Charlie Whitehurst signed a much better contract than LaDainian Tomlinson.

Sure GB, but let's be fair. Kolb isn't going to take a deal that Whitehurst signed. And no team, outside of Philly who has seen a lot more of him in practice/film rooms/etc..., would be in the position to sign him to a long-term extension right now. It would be the same kind of risk that they would have having to sign a rookie QB to a monster contract without the benefit of knowing how they'll do.But if a team trades for him and he starts producing right away? Then yeah, I could see an extension done in short order.

I don't believe that to be true and we have recent precedent to suggest a team would in fact be in a position to sign Kolb to a long term deal. Kolb's situation is very similar to Matt Schaub's in Atlanta. A guy who was on the bench for most of his first 3 years with just a few starts on his resume. Before the trade with the Texans could be finalized Schaub and the Texans had to first agree on a 3 year contract extension.

Fair point.

 

[Getinthemix]

Pretty sad if he thinks he deserves a big payday for sitting on the bench for 3 years and having 2 good games (only winning 1 of them).

Sounds like he's motivated by $$$ not winning

You don't get paid in the NFL what you deserve; you get paid for how you project to be in the future. That's why Charlie Whitehurst signed a much better contract than LaDainian Tomlinson.

Sure GB, but let's be fair. Kolb isn't going to take a deal that Whitehurst signed. And no team, outside of Philly who has seen a lot more of him in practice/film rooms/etc..., would be in the position to sign him to a long-term extension right now. It would be the same kind of risk that they would have having to sign a rookie QB to a monster contract without the benefit of knowing how they'll do.But if a team trades for him and he starts producing right away? Then yeah, I could see an extension done in short order.

I don't believe that to be true and we have recent precedent to suggest a team would in fact be in a position to sign Kolb to a long term deal. Kolb's situation is very similar to Matt Schaub's in Atlanta. A guy who was on the bench for most of his first 3 years with just a few starts on his resume. Before the trade with the Texans could be finalized Schaub and the Texans had to first agree on a 3 year contract extension.

There is also a more direct comparison to Kolb sitting for multiple years and then signing a hefty new contract. Aaron Rodgers. He signed his extension on October 31st of his first year as a starter, after starting 7 games.

 

[Kit Fisto]

'Skins fan here. I've watched McNabb for many years, not just as a NFC East follower, but also because he's been on a dynasty roster of mine for forever.

The bi-polar nature of the Eagles fans when discussing McNabb isn't that hard to figure out, as amusing as it is on the surface. McNabb is, overall, better than all but probably about 5 to 7 QB's in the league. He's more athletic than a few of those ranked ahead of him, and when he's at his best he ranks in the top 3 most likely and is a very dynamic playmaker. When he's at his worst, however, with inaccurate throws and untimely picks, he ranks far lower and is frustrating. Also, his leadership skills have been routinely questioned by those who are willing to speak publicly on the matter.

The problem for McNabb and Philly fans is that McNabb falls just outside the "elite" or even "very good" category of QB's. Part of that is his very inconsistency, and unfortunately for him that inconsistency seems to manifest itself most when the games are most important - in the playoffs, and especially the later rounds of the playoffs, and especially late in those games when his team most needs him to make plays. After 10+ years there's a remarkably consistent and unmistakable pattern there.

In essence, McNabb is the Marty Schottenheimer of QB's. A proven winner, better than most, one of the all-time winners in terms of stats, but lacking . . . something.

As usual, the Shark Pool's fantasy orientation has people tending to focus primarily (not exclusively) upon stats, or at least using them as their starting point. McNabb's stats don't reveal the problems here. He's a better version of Aaron Brooks in that regard.

So, the dilemma is this: as an Eagles fan, do you try to replace a top 5-7 QB, which is very difficult to do as some teams can go decades before they successfully accomplish this? Or do you stay satisfied with your flawed, non-elite yet still well-above average QB who consistently abuses the three most important teams that that team plays and who therefore consistently gets his team into the playoffs with a chance at a championship? I guess it depends upon what you want.

The best recent example of a team addressing this dilemma is the Packers with the Favre-Rodgers saga. IMHO, Rodgers and Kolb may be good comparisons as QB prospects. McNabb is no Favre, however McNabb is also five years younger than Favre was when the Packers finally made the switch. What's interesting about McNabb and Favre is that both have a tendency to quarterback badly in big games, though in very different ways.

I will tell you this: while I like Kolb and think he's promising, as a 'Skins fan I'd like for McNabb to depart Philly because I know that whoever they replace McNabb with can't abuse my team any more than McNabb has.

Good Perspective from a Skins fan. I, and I think the majority (not everyone) of Eagles fans feel this way:

-We appreciate McNabb for the success he has helped bring to the team in the last decade.

-We are frustrated that the Eagles have gotten close to winning a championship, but haven't won one. That is

not all McNabb's fault, but rightly or wrongly, he, as QB, gets the most blame.

-Rather than continue with the definition of insanity (trying the same thing over and over again and expecting a

different result), we would like to try something different. We have faith that the Eagles have groomed a good

replacement for McNabb in Kevin Kolb.

-If we can get some compensation for McNabb that will help us improve our defense, then that is a bonus.

Sounds a lot like how Patriots fans felt about Drew Bledsoe.Fans had been calling for Drew's head for a year or so before the Mo Lewis hit. Drew brought our franchise out of the basement, but couldn't get us over the top like TB did.

 

[thevidon]

The problem with Mcnabb is that his inconsistency is maddeningly consistent.

 

[mdlane]

The 49ers might make more sense as a potential suitor even though I've heard nothing to suggest San Francisco would make such a move. The 49ers would be more appealing to McNabb because they're closer to contending. Tom Gamble, the 49ers' pro personnel director, was with the Eagles when Philadelphia drafted McNabb. I also think McNabb's personality and leadership would give the 49ers something they cannot get from Alex Smith or David Carr. That's just me, though. I haven't heard anything suggesting the 49ers are thinking along those lines.

I like McNabb to the niners, also. And it could grow a pair of legs because, according to our local beat reporter lore, McCloughan was the driving force behind giving Alex Smith a chance .. over and over .. despite all (non-contractual-related) evidence to the contrary. And really, although I expect Alex Smith to make the games interesting to watch here and there, and was excited to see him take down a freaking linebacker during one of last season's exhibition games, I do not believe he is a good/consistent enough QB to keep the niners competitive throughout the season and into the post-season.

That said, a first round pick for a QB in his 30s is crazy. And York says he's confident in Alex Smith.

Updateosted on Thu, Mar. 25, 2010

"There is always interest, and I think as a head coach it is my responsibility to always look at ways of making my football team better," Niners coach Mike Singletary said of McNabb. "It would not be very smart to say we are set, this is the guy that is going to take us to the Super Bowl. Alex [smith] hasn't done it yet, but I am very hopeful that he can . . .

"The question is: Can he go to that next level, that elite level? We have to provide him those tools to find out."

http://www.philly.com/dailynews/sports/201...ing_McNabb.html

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I never heard any rumors of 49ers interest - just April Fools-like fabrications. RT @johndasher still no chance 49ers deal for McNabb?

about 23 hours ago via TweetDeck

http://twitter.com/MATTMAIOCCO

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If the Eagles will take the niners' 2nd, you have to think the niners will be involved.

 

[JetMaxx]

Are you for real???

So everybody that wants to win must play for free? Career ending injury risk be damned. And because hes been a good soldier, worked hard in practice, knows the playbook better than the starter in front of him, never whined, or complained about anything, has all the respect of everyone on the team, means he plays for peanuts just to get to try and "win"???

Either your or .

Good luck in your business endeavors.

I take it that this thinking is coming from someone that has insight and if one guy on the team feels that way, one could imagine how the rest of the team feels. G-King thanks for your insight and presence here, its greatly appreciated..even for a lousy Cowboy fan :X . Make sure you tell your boy that he's got a lot of Philly looking forward to this year if he gets his shot.

 

[Faust]

from Twitter: Adam_Schefter

RT @askmetostay323: Any truth to the Rams/Eagles rumors? ... Nothing but good old fashioned rumor mongering.

about 5 hours ago via UberTwitter

 

[G-King]

Are you for real???

So everybody that wants to win must play for free? Career ending injury risk be damned. And because hes been a good soldier, worked hard in practice, knows the playbook better than the starter in front of him, never whined, or complained about anything, has all the respect of everyone on the team, means he plays for peanuts just to get to try and "win"???

Either your or .

Good luck in your business endeavors.

I take it that this thinking is coming from someone that has insight and if one guy on the team feels that way, one could imagine how the rest of the team feels. G-King thanks for your insight and presence here, its greatly appreciated..even for a lousy Cowboy fan :X . Make sure you tell your boy that he's got a lot of Philly looking forward to this year if he gets his shot.

HaHa... Thanks JMaxx.Is Kolb the next Feeley 2.0? I guess he could be. Is he the next Rodgers or Brees? I guess he could be. Its all speculation when we talk about the future of any QB (outside of the great Aikman ) because there are too many entangibles in the NFL with 21 other men on the field for one guy to be the end all be all. So what you have to do is

1) Evaluate talent (they liked him enough to take him early 2nd);

2) Study his work ethic (he's in the weightroom daily, on the field throwing the ball 30 to 45 minutes before practice starts, and knows the playbook in and out);

3) Look at his pedigree (son of a coach and has close ties still today to his high school and college coaches);

4) Mental attitude (extremely well educated and doesn't rip teamates or management or complain publicly about things);

5) Public perception ( Happily married, modest living, doesnt hang out in strip clubs or carry guns into Disco's)

Now obviously there are lots of Choir Boys that never pan out, and a few dirtbags that have none of these qualities but have lots of success in the NFL. But if it were my team, I would certainly put my trust in the guy who has earned his right to lead the team, doesnt draw unwanted attention, and works hard to do it to the best of his ability.

 

[phillyfan72]

'Skins fan here. I've watched McNabb for many years, not just as a NFC East follower, but also because he's been on a dynasty roster of mine for forever.

The bi-polar nature of the Eagles fans when discussing McNabb isn't that hard to figure out, as amusing as it is on the surface. McNabb is, overall, better than all but probably about 5 to 7 QB's in the league. He's more athletic than a few of those ranked ahead of him, and when he's at his best he ranks in the top 3 most likely and is a very dynamic playmaker. When he's at his worst, however, with inaccurate throws and untimely picks, he ranks far lower and is frustrating. Also, his leadership skills have been routinely questioned by those who are willing to speak publicly on the matter.

The problem for McNabb and Philly fans is that McNabb falls just outside the "elite" or even "very good" category of QB's. Part of that is his very inconsistency, and unfortunately for him that inconsistency seems to manifest itself most when the games are most important - in the playoffs, and especially the later rounds of the playoffs, and especially late in those games when his team most needs him to make plays. After 10+ years there's a remarkably consistent and unmistakable pattern there.

In essence, McNabb is the Marty Schottenheimer of QB's. A proven winner, better than most, one of the all-time winners in terms of stats, but lacking . . . something.

As usual, the Shark Pool's fantasy orientation has people tending to focus primarily (not exclusively) upon stats, or at least using them as their starting point. McNabb's stats don't reveal the problems here. He's a better version of Aaron Brooks in that regard.

So, the dilemma is this: as an Eagles fan, do you try to replace a top 5-7 QB, which is very difficult to do as some teams can go decades before they successfully accomplish this? Or do you stay satisfied with your flawed, non-elite yet still well-above average QB who consistently abuses the three most important teams that that team plays and who therefore consistently gets his team into the playoffs with a chance at a championship? I guess it depends upon what you want.

The best recent example of a team addressing this dilemma is the Packers with the Favre-Rodgers saga. IMHO, Rodgers and Kolb may be good comparisons as QB prospects. McNabb is no Favre, however McNabb is also five years younger than Favre was when the Packers finally made the switch. What's interesting about McNabb and Favre is that both have a tendency to quarterback badly in big games, though in very different ways.

I will tell you this: while I like Kolb and think he's promising, as a 'Skins fan I'd like for McNabb to depart Philly because I know that whoever they replace McNabb with can't abuse my team any more than McNabb has.

Good Perspective from a Skins fan. I, and I think the majority (not everyone) of Eagles fans feel this way:

-We appreciate McNabb for the success he has helped bring to the team in the last decade.

-We are frustrated that the Eagles have gotten close to winning a championship, but haven't won one. That is

not all McNabb's fault, but rightly or wrongly, he, as QB, gets the most blame.

-Rather than continue with the definition of insanity (trying the same thing over and over again and expecting a

different result), we would like to try something different. We have faith that the Eagles have groomed a good

replacement for McNabb in Kevin Kolb.

-If we can get some compensation for McNabb that will help us improve our defense, then that is a bonus.

I have always liked McNabb, but at some point, you have to move on, better now than when it's too late. Kolb has been groomed for years now, and at some point, you have to see what he can do. I have always wondered why Philly fans hate McNabb so much - they must have forgotten about the Rich Kotite years. But, you have to know when to say when, and I think they have gone as far as they can with McNabb, so if you can get value for him, why not pull the trigger and move on with Kolb?

DeSean Jackson, Jeremy Maclin, and Brent Celek are all under 25. Put them with Kolb, and they can be playing together for 10+ years hopefully. Now just seems like the perfect time to make the move.

 

[dhockster]

Are you for real???

So everybody that wants to win must play for free? Career ending injury risk be damned. And because hes been a good soldier, worked hard in practice, knows the playbook better than the starter in front of him, never whined, or complained about anything, has all the respect of everyone on the team, means he plays for peanuts just to get to try and "win"???

Either your or .

Good luck in your business endeavors.

I take it that this thinking is coming from someone that has insight and if one guy on the team feels that way, one could imagine how the rest of the team feels. G-King thanks for your insight and presence here, its greatly appreciated..even for a lousy Cowboy fan :X . Make sure you tell your boy that he's got a lot of Philly looking forward to this year if he gets his shot.

HaHa... Thanks JMaxx.Is Kolb the next Feeley 2.0? I guess he could be. Is he the next Rodgers or Brees? I guess he could be. Its all speculation when we talk about the future of any QB (outside of the great Aikman ) because there are too many entangibles in the NFL with 21 other men on the field for one guy to be the end all be all. So what you have to do is

1) Evaluate talent (they liked him enough to take him early 2nd);

2) Study his work ethic (he's in the weightroom daily, on the field throwing the ball 30 to 45 minutes before practice starts, and knows the playbook in and out);

3) Look at his pedigree (son of a coach and has close ties still today to his high school and college coaches);

4) Mental attitude (extremely well educated and doesn't rip teamates or management or complain publicly about things);

5) Public perception ( Happily married, modest living, doesnt hang out in strip clubs or carry guns into Disco's)

Now obviously there are lots of Choir Boys that never pan out, and a few dirtbags that have none of these qualities but have lots of success in the NFL. But if it were my team, I would certainly put my trust in the guy who has earned his right to lead the team, doesnt draw unwanted attention, and works hard to do it to the best of his ability.

Thanks for the insight on Kolb. Based on how he performed at U of H and in his two starts last year, I am just so curious as to how he could do as a full-time starter. With the Eagles weapons, he would have plenty to work with. He sounds like he is smart enough to make adjustments to his game once other teams have enough game film on him to game plan against him. I think that, above everything else, makes him very likely to succeed as an NFL QB.

 

[identikit]

Latest rumor:

First rumbles of McNabb-to-Raiders trade terms emerge

Posted by Mike Florio on March 25, 2010 6:37 PM ET

Every once in a while, we develop a tipster who builds a track record of providing tips that end up being true.

And one of our latest tipsters who has been accurate with past tips (for the most part) has now given us a tip regarding the trade terms that possibly would send Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb to the Raiders.

Per the tip -- uncorroborated but nevertheless intriguing -- McNabb and cornerback Asante Samuel would go to Oakland, and cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha would go to Philadelphia.

We don't know whether an offer of this nature has been made. We suspect that the Eagles would, at a minimum, want to replace Samuel with Sheldon Brown.

Anyway, stay tuned. This is all uncorroborated, but we know that our friends in Philly are desperate for information, and that our friends in Oakland are desperate for hope.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/...e-terms-emerge/

 

[IDrinkyourMilkshake]

McNabb might be the most polarizing player in history. Some people think he's a HOF, others think he's below average.

 

[Moonlight_Graham]

First let me preface this by saying I haven't read any posts in this thread, so forgive me if this has been mentioned. I was just listening to John Clayton and he said the Eagles misjudged the market, and since teams like Cleveland, Seattle, and Arizona have already made their play for a QB, and the Rams don't really want an aging QB, the market for McNabb is only a 3rd rounder. Yes, he's worth more, but it's about what the market is, not how good McNabb is. He's probably worth more to the Eagles not to trade him than settle for a 3rd rounder.

 

[scratcher]

Latest rumor:

First rumbles of McNabb-to-Raiders trade terms emerge

Posted by Mike Florio on March 25, 2010 6:37 PM ET

Every once in a while, we develop a tipster who builds a track record of providing tips that end up being true.

And one of our latest tipsters who has been accurate with past tips (for the most part) has now given us a tip regarding the trade terms that possibly would send Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb to the Raiders.

Per the tip -- uncorroborated but nevertheless intriguing -- McNabb and cornerback Asante Samuel would go to Oakland, and cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha would go to Philadelphia.

We don't know whether an offer of this nature has been made. We suspect that the Eagles would, at a minimum, want to replace Samuel with Sheldon Brown.

Anyway, stay tuned. This is all uncorroborated, but we know that our friends in Philly are desperate for information, and that our friends in Oakland are desperate for hope.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/...e-terms-emerge/

It's interesting because Eagles were going to go after Asomugha but since he signed an extension with the raiders, they "settled" for Asante.

 

[BigTex]

I'd love to see McNabb go to SF. With those young studs around him they'll get over the QB slump with has been the one thing holding them back. Their only real challenge would have been the Cards but their not the same team. Lost Warren, Bolden, etc.....

 

[delusional]

I'd love to see McNabb go to SF. With those young studs around him they'll get over the QB slump with has been the one thing holding them back. Their only real challenge would have been the Cards but their not the same team. Lost Warren, Bolden, etc.....

this is the only logical place i could see a trade happening, don't they have 2 1st rounders also?

 

[BigTex]

I'd love to see McNabb go to SF. With those young studs around him they'll get over the QB slump with has been the one thing holding them back. Their only real challenge would have been the Cards but their not the same team. Lost Warren, Bolden, etc.....

this is the only logical place i could see a trade happening, don't they have 2 1st rounders also?

Yep, I also think Minny should get involved instead of waiting on Farve.1. SF2. Minny

 

[theglorydays]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/...ick-for-mcnabb/

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/36044448/

Report: Eagles want a top 42 pick for McNabb

Posted by Mike Florio on March 25, 2010 8:37 PM ET

As further proof that a trade of Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb has become inevitable, the Associated Press reports that the team will consider only an offer than includes a pick among the top 42 in the 2010 draft.

It's unclear why or how 42 became the cutoff point, especially since the 42nd selection, held by the Buccaneers, falls 10 picks into round two.

Under the official draft order, the Bills own the 41st pick, the Raiders have the 39th selection, the Browns hold the 38th pick, and the Redskins possess the 37th pick. (We'd be shocked if the Eagles would be willing to trade McNabb within the division, and there's no indication that the Redskins would want him. But, you know, Jason Campbell and Rex Grossman.)

It previously was believed that the Eagles wanted at least a first-round pick, possibly more. But with no one offering a first-round pick three weeks into the 2010 league year, the Eagles have had to relax their expectations.

Now that the cat is fully out of the bag, the Eagles might have to relax their expectations even further.

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[silentmark]

Non-Eagles fans should be rooting for a McNabb trade just for the pure entertainment value of the cannibalistic feeding frenzy that will take place among Philly fans.

Philly fans flip from day to day, it's that "what have you done for me lately, oh yeah, but so what" mentality. The saga rolls on ...

Yeah..... only Philly fans do that.

but y'all are the best at it

 

[CaptainHook]

g-king i would love to hear someones opinion of mcnabb if you know it

 

[Yenrub]

First let me preface this by saying I haven't read any posts in this thread, so forgive me if this has been mentioned. I was just listening to John Clayton and he said the Eagles misjudged the market, and since teams like Cleveland, Seattle, and Arizona have already made their play for a QB, and the Rams don't really want an aging QB, the market for McNabb is only a 3rd rounder. Yes, he's worth more, but it's about what the market is, not how good McNabb is. He's probably worth more to the Eagles not to trade him than settle for a 3rd rounder.

If all three of the Eagles QB's are going to be eligible to free agents after this season it makes sense to try and get something for one of them. If they think Kolb is the future they might as well deal McNabb but I agree with Clayton in that they may have missed the window where his market price was the highest.McNabb is way better than all of the QB recently aquired by the teams listed above

 

[D'OHtis]

I think the trade value for McNabb was similar to what KC gave for Cassel last year. It still may be, but I never thought 5 was worth a 1+. Really I never understood them demanding a 1 [as it's not happening for an aging QB looking for a new deal]

If it ends up a 3, I wouldn't be shocked either. Point of no return IMO. The draft day boos will be picnic compared to if he returns to Philly.

While I'm not at all optimistic of McNabb a year or two down the road, he & T.O. could give the Raiders offense a nice boost. McNabb, McFadden&Bush, Zach Miller, T.O., Lou Murphy, Schillens............Bey could be a nice offense in 2010.

 

[Jason Wood]

Mayock was just on NFL Network saying how disgusted he was that he even had to talk about this. That it's a non story and everyone is out of their gourds thinking a deal gets done unless a team is willing to rent McNabb for a season.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Mayock was just on NFL Network saying how disgusted he was that he even had to talk about this. That it's a non story and everyone is out of their gourds thinking a deal gets done unless a team is willing to rent McNabb for a season.

Hi Jason,What's your opinion on the "lame duck" talk damage that's been done regardless of whether McNabb goes anywhere or not? Is this like a Cutler in Denver thing?J

 

[Cassius]

Mayock was just on NFL Network saying how disgusted he was that he even had to talk about this. That it's a non story and everyone is out of their gourds thinking a deal gets done unless a team is willing to rent McNabb for a season.

why?

 

[D'OHtis]

Mayock was just on NFL Network saying how disgusted he was that he even had to talk about this. That it's a non story and everyone is out of their gourds thinking a deal gets done unless a team is willing to rent McNabb for a season.

LOL @ the 'non-story'. Too bad Mayock thinks this story is below him. Wait til after the draft when he's irrelevant again and I'm sure he'll talk non-stop about McNabb for air-time.

 

[SuperJohn96]

It's unclear why or how 42 became the cutoff point, especially since the 42nd selection, held by the Buccaneers, falls 10 picks into round two.

Funny...I just heard the other day on Sirius...Pat Kirwan said the perennially good teams like New England love late 1st, early 2nd round picks for their value. They said the top 10 is almost a tier on its own, then you have another full round after that of players you could group together. Funnily enough, that 2nd tier gets you to pick 42 overall.

 

[Cassius]

It's unclear why or how 42 became the cutoff point, especially since the 42nd selection, held by the Buccaneers, falls 10 picks into round two.

Funny...I just heard the other day on Sirius...Pat Kirwan said the perennially good teams like New England love late 1st, early 2nd round picks for their value. They said the top 10 is almost a tier on its own, then you have another full round after that of players you could group together. Funnily enough, that 2nd tier gets you to pick 42 overall.

Also, the 41st pick, I believe, belongs to Oakland, who is supposed to be heavily in the running for McNabb. Probably would've been a little obvious if they said they'd take a pick in the top 41.

 

[Jason Wood]

Mayock was just on NFL Network saying how disgusted he was that he even had to talk about this. That it's a non story and everyone is out of their gourds thinking a deal gets done unless a team is willing to rent McNabb for a season.

Hi Jason,

What's your opinion on the "lame duck" talk damage that's been done regardless of whether McNabb goes anywhere or not? Is this like a Cutler in Denver thing?

J

Every QB on the Eagles roster is a lame duck. Ultimately it comes down to playing and winning. Whoever Reid decides is the guy will be fine in the locker room so long as he produces. Cutler arguably never had the locker room. "5" has taken his team to more playoff showing and wins than almost any other QB of his era. Apples and oranges IMHO.

Mayock was just on NFL Network saying how disgusted he was that he even had to talk about this. That it's a non story and everyone is out of their gourds thinking a deal gets done unless a team is willing to rent McNabb for a season.

why?

Because McNabb isn't going to sign an extension when he will have his pick of situations in 2011. Now to Mayock's point, I think he's being a bit dogmatic. I think McNabb would sign an extension with a number of teams, I'm just not sure any of those mentioned fit that bill. I really can't see him signing with Oakland, Buffalo, St. Louis or Seattle without a ridiculously over-the-top contract offer.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

First let me preface this by saying I haven't read any posts in this thread, so forgive me if this has been mentioned. I was just listening to John Clayton and he said the Eagles misjudged the market, and since teams like Cleveland, Seattle, and Arizona have already made their play for a QB, and the Rams don't really want an aging QB, the market for McNabb is only a 3rd rounder. Yes, he's worth more, but it's about what the market is, not how good McNabb is. He's probably worth more to the Eagles not to trade him than settle for a 3rd rounder.

That's it then - McNabb's as good as gone.

 

[Cassius]

Mayock was just on NFL Network saying how disgusted he was that he even had to talk about this. That it's a non story and everyone is out of their gourds thinking a deal gets done unless a team is willing to rent McNabb for a season.

why?

Because McNabb isn't going to sign an extension when he will have his pick of situations in 2011. Now to Mayock's point, I think he's being a bit dogmatic. I think McNabb would sign an extension with a number of teams, I'm just not sure any of those mentioned fit that bill. I really can't see him signing with Oakland, Buffalo, St. Louis or Seattle without a ridiculously over-the-top contract offer.

This seems like a pretty terrible read of McNabb's situation.1. McNabb's 34. Every year he plays, that's one less year of his career the next team will get from him, another year for his skills to getting closer to declining. Every year he plays, his value goes down for the hypothetical team that will sign him in the future.

2. Every year he's a risk to get injured - why would he want to risk sustaining a serious injury that would kill his value in FA just to wait a year?

3. This one's pretty important -> there isn't even a 100% chance to be football in 2011.

McNabb would have to be crazy to not be very anxious to sign an extension ASAP.

 

[Nagle2998]

The Eagles would have to be stupid to trade him for a third because if he leaves in free agency they will get third round comp for him anyways same thing with whatever team trades for him. If the Raiders give a pick for McNabb and he walks they still get a 3rd round comp the following year.

 

[D'OHtis]

Eagles really blew it here. They should have asked for a 2 off the bat (vs. the the 1+ asking price). Cost them a ton of suitors & I've long been in agreement of the great value of late 1st/early 2nd picks.

Not a fan of 5 on or off the field, but he'd be a definite upgrade over what's there in Oakland or Buffalo.

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I think the 3rd comp pick the Eagles would get is irrelevant at this point. I think all parties are resigned that he's not going to be an Eagle in 2010.