McNabb Trade, who got the better end of the deal? (1 Viewer)

[flranger]

OK, let's see what you think............

 

[flranger]

My thoughts are this:

1. You should never look beyond three years in this league, and I think McNabb can be a quality starter for that time period.

2. Redskins made this trade knowing they will get that 3/4 back for Jason Campbell. All they are giving up is the 2nd rounder this year.

3. Eagles showing some serious stones going with Kolb. He must be better than I thought, or they are idiots. Given their track record I'm going to say everyone should be very high on Kolb with all those playmakers.

4. Makes significantly more sense than praying that a 1st round QB works out. Makes the skins competitive right now, provided they can shore up the OLine.

 

[FFLMASTER]

actually the trade is for 2nd and 3/4 next year with most likely the 3rd round pick for next year. this is why i said eagles, but really don't like the deal.

 

[Avery]

I think the Redskins got fleeced.

They gave a very high second in a draft with great depth where a 2nd has nearly 1st round value in terms of talent for a 34 year old QB in a contract year (although I wouldn't be surprised they may have an extension agreed upon/in the works).

The Redskin's aren't the Vikings that are merely a QB away from making a run, no matter what Snyder thinks.

 

[loose circuits]

It's not just any 2nd round pick. It's 37th overall in a defensive rich draft with a team that has a few defensive needs that if answered will be a dynamite team for years to come. I'm an Eagles fan & I love it...11 picks, I'd expect the Eagles to be the biggest movers on draft day. The 3 day set up should benefit them as well cause it gives more time between rounds 1&2 to make moves as well as 3&4

 

[Bankerguy]

Based on Washington's history of making question other moves through free agency. How can you not like it as a Skins fan? You are getting a good QB for a essentially a 2nd. They will get the 3 or 4 back with the Campbell trade when it goes down.

The Eagles will use the second to move up and grab an impact player. Earl Thomas is my guess.

Win win for both.

 

[delusional]

Based on Washington's history of making question other moves through free agency. How can you not like it as a Skins fan? You are getting a good QB for a essentially a 2nd. They will get the 3 or 4 back with the Campbell trade when it goes down.The Eagles will use the second to move up and grab an impact player. Earl Thomas is my guess.Win win for both.

or they will trade it to get 2 3rds or a 3rd this year and a 3rd next year. draft a punter and use the other 3rd as a reach on someone ( byran smith for example ). man i hope the skins torch the birds lol

It's not just any 2nd round pick. It's 37th overall in a defensive rich draft with a team that has a few defensive needs that if answered will be a dynamite team for years to come. I'm an Eagles fan & I love it...11 picks, I'd expect the Eagles to be the biggest movers on draft day. The 3 day set up should benefit them as well cause it gives more time between rounds 1&2 to make moves as well as 3&4

few defensive needs? have you been watching the eagles at all???

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I really think its a good trade for both teams with the Eagles getting the nod as an organization, and the Redskins getting the nod for immediate impact to their team. Pretty sure the eagles would have preferred to trade him outside the tough NFC East, but in the end they did what was best for the franchise.

 

[Jason Wood]

I think this all but guarantees the Eagles finish 4th in the division, unless the Giants can't right their defense.

 

[modogg]

i really see no way that the Eagles could have gotten the better of thiis deal. Like was alreday said, Eagles will finish 4th in the division, and my guess is by mid-year there will be a QB controversy brewing between Vick and Kolb. Personally i hope it doesn't get to that, but there are enough dopes around Philly who will begin thaty talk.

 

[loose circuits]

Based on Washington's history of making question other moves through free agency. How can you not like it as a Skins fan? You are getting a good QB for a essentially a 2nd. They will get the 3 or 4 back with the Campbell trade when it goes down.The Eagles will use the second to move up and grab an impact player. Earl Thomas is my guess.Win win for both.

or they will trade it to get 2 3rds or a 3rd this year and a 3rd next year. draft a punter and use the other 3rd as a reach on someone ( byran smith for example ). man i hope the skins torch the birds lol

It's not just any 2nd round pick. It's 37th overall in a defensive rich draft with a team that has a few defensive needs that if answered will be a dynamite team for years to come. I'm an Eagles fan & I love it...11 picks, I'd expect the Eagles to be the biggest movers on draft day. The 3 day set up should benefit them as well cause it gives more time between rounds 1&2 to make moves as well as 3&4

few defensive needs? have you been watching the eagles at all???

yeah, they had 11 different MLB's when they lost their starter in the preseason. Bradley is fully recovered and ready to rock so that is answered. After adding Marlin Jackson into the secondary, getting some guys healthy, and having a former head coach as the position coach that unit should be better as well even with the loss of Sheldon Brown. The addition of Darryl Tapp should help the defensive end rotation. Health & trades should already help the defense improve dramatically add 11 picks in a defensive rich draft and I'm not sure how they can go wrong. A few more pieces to compete with the young guys on the roster. I'd love to see Sean Witherspoon at WLB and then the best DB available with the early 2nd- if it's a safety have Jackson play CB and vice versa

 

[Snotbubbles]

Too early to tell who wins in this trade. We have to see if McNabb signs an extension and what the Eagles do with the 37.

 

[onehung]

I voted Eagles for the draft depth alone. The Eagles have to face him twice a year and no one knows their personnel better than Mcnabb. Will hurt this year especially.I'm not liking this very much if I'm an Eagle fan....for the short term.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I think the Redskins got fleeced.They gave a very high second in a draft with great depth where a 2nd has nearly 1st round value in terms of talent for a 34 year old QB in a contract year (although I wouldn't be surprised they may have an extension agreed upon/in the works).The Redskin's aren't the Vikings that are merely a QB away from making a run, no matter what Snyder thinks.

Maybe not, but, going from an average at best QB to a very good QB, the Redskins could easily become a playoff team. Meanwhile, the Eagles were barely a playoff team in '09 (the 6 seed), and will now be starting an unproven commodity at the most important position in the league. McNabb might not have been great, or won a SB in Philly, but you cannot underestimate how he gave them consistent very good play at the QB position, flaws and all. Edge: Redskins

 

[Louisville Slugger]

Based on Washington's history of making question other moves through free agency. How can you not like it as a Skins fan? You are getting a good QB for a essentially a 2nd. They will get the 3 or 4 back with the Campbell trade when it goes down.The Eagles will use the second to move up and grab an impact player. Earl Thomas is my guess.Win win for both.

or they will trade it to get 2 3rds or a 3rd this year and a 3rd next year. draft a punter and use the other 3rd as a reach on someone ( byran smith for example ). man i hope the skins torch the birds lol

It's not just any 2nd round pick. It's 37th overall in a defensive rich draft with a team that has a few defensive needs that if answered will be a dynamite team for years to come. I'm an Eagles fan & I love it...11 picks, I'd expect the Eagles to be the biggest movers on draft day. The 3 day set up should benefit them as well cause it gives more time between rounds 1&2 to make moves as well as 3&4

few defensive needs? have you been watching the eagles at all???

yeah, they had 11 different MLB's when they lost their starter in the preseason. Bradley is fully recovered and ready to rock so that is answered. After adding Marlin Jackson into the secondary, getting some guys healthy, and having a former head coach as the position coach that unit should be better as well even with the loss of Sheldon Brown. The addition of Darryl Tapp should help the defensive end rotation. Health & trades should already help the defense improve dramatically add 11 picks in a defensive rich draft and I'm not sure how they can go wrong. A few more pieces to compete with the young guys on the roster. I'd love to see Sean Witherspoon at WLB and then the best DB available with the early 2nd- if it's a safety have Jackson play CB and vice versa

The Patriots are the biggest winner in this deal. If McNabb was dealt to the Raiders as rumors suggested it would have made the Raiders respectable and given them a few more wins... Now the Patriots still have a chance at a top ten pick (they own the Raiders #1 pick next year ) in next years draft.As far as the Eagles and Redskins go I think it is a fair deal for both teams. The Skins finally get an NFL caliber QB while the Eagles get two solid picks for a 34 year old qb.

 

[Mulletzilla]

I voted Eagles for the draft depth alone. The Eagles have to face him twice a year and no one knows their personnel better than Mcnabb. Will hurt this year especially.I'm not liking this very much if I'm an Eagle fan....for the short term.

Thought this at first too, but with the offseason of releases and trades...does he really know the personnel the team is going to field next year?And it works both ways - no one knows McNabb better than Reid.

 

[cobalt_27]

Terrible value for the Eagles.

 

[delusional]

Terrible value for the Eagles.

Like the sheldon trade

 

[loose circuits]

I think the Redskins got fleeced.They gave a very high second in a draft with great depth where a 2nd has nearly 1st round value in terms of talent for a 34 year old QB in a contract year (although I wouldn't be surprised they may have an extension agreed upon/in the works).The Redskin's aren't the Vikings that are merely a QB away from making a run, no matter what Snyder thinks.

Maybe not, but, going from an average at best QB to a very good QB, the Redskins could easily become a playoff team. Meanwhile, the Eagles were barely a playoff team in '09 (the 6 seed), and will now be starting an unproven commodity at the most important position in the league. McNabb might not have been great, or won a SB in Philly, but you cannot underestimate how he gave them consistent very good play at the QB position, flaws and all. Edge: Redskins

if the Redskins make the playoffs next year won't that make it a better deal for the Eagles anyways? Then they get a 3rd round pick...

 

[Snotbubbles]

I think the Redskins got fleeced.They gave a very high second in a draft with great depth where a 2nd has nearly 1st round value in terms of talent for a 34 year old QB in a contract year (although I wouldn't be surprised they may have an extension agreed upon/in the works).The Redskin's aren't the Vikings that are merely a QB away from making a run, no matter what Snyder thinks.

Maybe not, but, going from an average at best QB to a very good QB, the Redskins could easily become a playoff team. Meanwhile, the Eagles were barely a playoff team in '09 (the 6 seed), and will now be starting an unproven commodity at the most important position in the league. McNabb might not have been great, or won a SB in Philly, but you cannot underestimate how he gave them consistent very good play at the QB position, flaws and all. Edge: Redskins

The Eagles were a win in Week 17 away from a 1st round bye. They had a playoff spot clinched in Week 16. They didn't squeak into the playoffs.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I never said they squeaked into the playoffs; I said they were barely a playoff team, which is true. The shellackings they took in week 17 and in the first round simply proved that they were barely a playoff team...the 6 seed and you got your ### handed to you in the first round.

 

[lombardi]

You other Eagles fans are nuts. I couldn't be happier. Kolb is everything we've wanted in a QB for years, a guy who can see the field and has timing. I can't wait for Jackson to actually get a ball thrown to him in stride instead of behind him, over his head, or at his feet. He made McNabb look way better than he was last year, did you see how many times he had a guy beat by five strides and had to slow down and wait for the ball? McNabb hasn't been able to throw a slant his entire career and in a West Coast offense no less.

Number 5 was always tough, he was almost always a team player (although a bit passive aggressive at times), and I respect what he did in Philly for a long time. We saw 5 championships and a Super Bowl in 11 years, but many of those loses rest heavily, but of course not completely, on his shoulders. I'm honestly sick of watching the same re-run year after year after year. I don't even have a gut, just a hole, it's been punched out so many times.

McNabb was older and has struggled with injuries for a few years now. His greatest weapon was always his elusiveness and buying time and he just doesn't have that anymore. A real accurate, timing QB can have a long career even when his best is gone, a guy like McNabb whose speed and playmaking ability make him special, when they go they go quick. This team is building a pretty promising young offensive unit. Jackson, McCoy, Maclin, Celek... it just didn't make sense to put off the inevitable. They'll need a year or two to mature and so does Kolb, so why not get started. Considering they need a little time and some draft picks to do something on their D what better time to start over.

I think Kolb is going to be a great West Coast QB. He'll show flashes this year and then probably hit a wall when they figure him out a little bit, but I think he's a perfect fit for this team. With these weapons and his arm I expect great things. The Eagles have a pretty good track record with offensive players and they've seen him throw every day for 3 years. They wouldn't have let McNabb go if he didn't have the goods.

And let's not forget the long list of players the Eagles have let go the year before they completely lost it, usually with us fans screaming and wailing about it. Jeremiah Trotter, Hugh Douglas, Troy Vincent, Bobby Taylor, Carlos Emmons, Hollis Thomas, Stallworth.... with the exception of Dawkins who I think they should have kept, have they ever made a bad decision letting a guy go? Usually right before he's completely used up?

Go Birds! I couldn't be happier and I'm picking up Kolb in every draft I can.

 

[Snotbubbles]

I never said they squeaked into the playoffs; I said they were barely a playoff team, which is true. The shellackings they took in week 17 and in the first round simply proved that they were barely a playoff team...the 6 seed and you got your ### handed to you in the first round.

They didn't match up well with Dallas all year. Just like Dallas did match up well with the Giants.

 

[Avery]

You other Eagles fans are nuts. I couldn't be happier. Kolb is everything we've wanted in a QB for years, a guy who can see the field and has timing. I can't wait for Jackson to actually get a ball thrown to him in stride instead of behind him, over his head, or at his feet. He made McNabb look way better than he was last year, did you see how many times he had a guy beat by five strides and had to slow down and wait for the ball? McNabb hasn't been able to throw a slant his entire career and in a West Coast offense no less.Number 5 was always tough, he was almost always a team player (although a bit passive aggressive at times), and I respect what he did in Philly for a long time. We saw 5 championships and a Super Bowl in 11 years, but many of those loses rest heavily, but of course not completely, on his shoulders. I'm honestly sick of watching the same re-run year after year after year. I don't even have a gut, just a hole, it's been punched out so many times.McNabb was older and has struggled with injuries for a few years now. His greatest weapon was always his elusiveness and buying time and he just doesn't have that anymore. A real accurate, timing QB can have a long career even when his best is gone, a guy like McNabb whose speed and playmaking ability make him special, when they go they go quick. This team is building a pretty promising young offensive unit. Jackson, McCoy, Maclin, Celek... it just didn't make sense to put off the inevitable. They'll need a year or two to mature and so does Kolb, so why not get started. Considering they need a little time and some draft picks to do something on their D what better time to start over.I think Kolb is going to be a great West Coast QB. He'll show flashes this year and then probably hit a wall when they figure him out a little bit, but I think he's a perfect fit for this team. With these weapons and his arm I expect great things. The Eagles have a pretty good track record with offensive players and they've seen him throw every day for 3 years. They wouldn't have let McNabb go if he didn't have the goods.And let's not forget the long list of players the Eagles have let go the year before they completely lost it, usually with us fans screaming and wailing about it. Jeremiah Trotter, Hugh Douglas, Troy Vincent, Bobby Taylor, Carlos Emmons, Hollis Thomas, Stallworth.... with the exception of Dawkins who I think they should have kept, have they ever made a bad decision letting a guy go? Usually right before he's completely used up?Go Birds! I couldn't be happier and I'm picking up Kolb in every draft I can.

As a Giants fan I don't like it, but I agree with it.

 

[bulger2holt]

The Rams got the best deal in this deal. Now they have to draft future HOF Bradford and not worry about them trading him to the Redskins.

 

[CaptainHook]

brilliant trade. best front office in the league.

 

[Balco]

I like the deal for both teams.

The Eagles got a 2nd this year, and likely a 3rd next year, for a 34 year old qb in the last year of his contract. That is good value. Kolb was the heir apparent, and they would have let McNabb walk after the season.

Redskins get a solid veteran qb who makes that offense alot better.

 

[Bob Magaw]

the eagles weren't going to get a 1st, they probably did pretty good to get a high 2nd... anything else was gravy, so maybe PHI got a slight edge with extra pick, on top of high 2nd... it could still blow up on them a few different ways...

some big questions yet to be answered...

how does mcnabb do in his new surroundings (i like the fit with shanahan and some young WR talent possibly ready to break out). i think he will want to respond in a strong way to answer his doubters...

what PHI does with the picks (player, or ammo to move up?)...

was reid right in his timing with kolb, and will he be more rodgers after favre, or not?

 

[cobalt_27]

brilliant trade. best front office in the league.

The Redskins? Are you kidding? This was an obvious bend-over job done on the Eagles, but calling the Skins the best front office is kinda-sorta crazytalk.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Honestly I think this is a pretty good move for both teams. Both teams win, because both teams get better because of it.

For Philly, it was time to move on. Clearly they like what they have with Kolb, and don't expect it to be a step down so they get a couple nice picks for something they were going to lose for free at the end of the year anyway.

For Washington, they get a guy who immediately makes them a playoff contender again for a couple picks that could easily have amounted to nothing anyway. 33 is not that old for a quarterback, and let's face it, this team was never going to go anywhere with Campbell at the helm.

win/win/win.

 

[cstu]

The trade helps the Redskins become competitive in the short-term, but I don't think it'll be enough to help them become a playoff team and it hurt them long-term. Edge - Eagles.

 

[southeastjerome]

I think the Redskins got fleeced.They gave a very high second in a draft with great depth where a 2nd has nearly 1st round value in terms of talent for a 34 year old QB in a contract year (although I wouldn't be surprised they may have an extension agreed upon/in the works).The Redskin's aren't the Vikings that are merely a QB away from making a run, no matter what Snyder thinks.

Maybe not, but, going from an average at best QB to a very good QB, the Redskins could easily become a playoff team. Meanwhile, the Eagles were barely a playoff team in '09 (the 6 seed), and will now be starting an unproven commodity at the most important position in the league. McNabb might not have been great, or won a SB in Philly, but you cannot underestimate how he gave them consistent very good play at the QB position, flaws and all. Edge: Redskins

if the Redskins make the playoffs next year won't that make it a better deal for the Eagles anyways? Then they get a 3rd round pick...

If the Redskins make the playoffs that decreases the likelihood that the Eagles will make the playoffs. So you have to ask what carries more value to the Eagles, making the playoffs in 2010 and getting a 4th round pick or not making the playoffs in 2010 and getting a 3rd round pick.

 

[Mustang Man]

Redskins get a player that is past his prime and now has much less talent around him. The Eagles get a qb that has zero experience so by the time the Eagles are ready to compete for a title it will be 2-3 more years and by the time Mcnabb and the Skins get in tune they will be to old.. Does not change anything except a Eagles all time great on the downside of his career now plays in Washington.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

And let's not forget the long list of players the Eagles have let go the year before they completely lost it, usually with us fans screaming and wailing about it. Jeremiah Trotter, Hugh Douglas, Troy Vincent, Bobby Taylor, Carlos Emmons, Hollis Thomas, Stallworth.... with the exception of Dawkins who I think they should have kept, have they ever made a bad decision letting a guy go? Usually right before he's completely used up?

This is a great point. Philly has made a living off of giving up guys *just* before their value falls off the face of the planet. Over and over again they've done this as people questioned why they gave up such a valuable vet so "cheaply" only to see that same players value not be even half of what they got for him by the end of the next year.

 

[renesauz]

Terrible value for the Eagles.

Like the sheldon trade

And where is Sheldon now?Seriously dude...it's getting old.

 

[munchkin]

So much for the belief that the Skins liked Clausen. He certainly loses in this scenario. Will the Bills draft him at nine to play in the elements in Buffalo? Sure he played in South Bend but the season ends earlier and he isn't throwing against NFL caliber players.

Anyway, Shanahan will make the best of this situation. This is a lot better for McNabb than heading off to the debacle in Oakland. So he is a winner here and his contract demands will likely be met too, though you would think he won't hold the Skins at gun-point after they agreed to save him from a worse fate.

The Eagles are a pretty savvy organization so I am sure they have a lot of confidence in Kolb. The Birds are certainly locked and loaded with great picks in this draft. They can now move around as they see fit to target a player(s) they really like. So I suppose they are winners too!

But you know what, all of us who love the draft are winners too. I mean this draft is going to be filled with moving and shaking. The first few rounds are going to wear everyone out.

FUN, FUN, FUN....

 

[D'OHtis]

Awesome job by Philly. Probably would have gotten done a lot sooner if they used KC-Cassel deal last year for reference (vs. asking for 1st++). Obvious Don wasn't coming back next year so they got themselves quite the deal.

Philly gets to play their guy groomed for 3 years in same system. One who showed a lot of potential last year. One I think right now is every bit as good as Don in that offense. [i think Kolb ends 2010 with better stats. Remember, Don's going to a new offense with new receivers]

Washington gets a QB upgrade they desire and same address other needs at 4 overall. [vs. reaching for James Claussen].

For a year or two, I like McNabb's prospects. More than that, . Let Washington overpay in the twilight of his career -- I don't think Don will age like Brett (few do), but rather like McNair. This deal tells me that Philly isn't too worried about Don's impact -- dealing him in division -- I, for one, agree with them 100%.

ADVANTAGE: Philly.

 

[lombardi]

And let's not forget the long list of players the Eagles have let go the year before they completely lost it, usually with us fans screaming and wailing about it. Jeremiah Trotter, Hugh Douglas, Troy Vincent, Bobby Taylor, Carlos Emmons, Hollis Thomas, Stallworth.... with the exception of Dawkins who I think they should have kept, have they ever made a bad decision letting a guy go? Usually right before he's completely used up?

This is a great point. Philly has made a living off of giving up guys *just* before their value falls off the face of the planet. Over and over again they've done this as people questioned why they gave up such a valuable vet so "cheaply" only to see that same players value not be even half of what they got for him by the end of the next year.

I forgot Corey Simon, add him to that list.

 

[D'OHtis]

And let's not forget the long list of players the Eagles have let go the year before they completely lost it, usually with us fans screaming and wailing about it. Jeremiah Trotter, Hugh Douglas, Troy Vincent, Bobby Taylor, Carlos Emmons, Hollis Thomas, Stallworth.... with the exception of Dawkins who I think they should have kept, have they ever made a bad decision letting a guy go? Usually right before he's completely used up?

This is a great point. Philly has made a living off of giving up guys *just* before their value falls off the face of the planet. Over and over again they've done this as people questioned why they gave up such a valuable vet so "cheaply" only to see that same players value not be even half of what they got for him by the end of the next year.

It's remarkable how good they've been at doing this for years.

 

[Eminence]

Can't make the decision until the draft. Gotta see which QB drops to that second round pick. The question is:

What's better? McNasty for the short-term? Or a McCoy for the long-term?

 

[Sinrman]

To answer the OP's question: The 'Skins by a ton. A couple good picks for the Eagles, but they are going to wish they had never done that...

 

[cobalt_27]

Awesome job by Philly. Probably would have gotten done a lot sooner if they used KC-Cassel deal last year for reference (vs. asking for 1st++). Obvious Don wasn't coming back next year so they got themselves quite the deal.

Philly gets to play their guy groomed for 3 years in same system. One who showed a lot of potential last year. One I think right now is every bit as good as Don in that offense. [i think Kolb ends 2010 with better stats. Remember, Don's going to a new offense with new receivers]

Washington gets a QB upgrade they desire and same address other needs at 4 overall. [vs. reaching for James Claussen].

For a year or two, I like McNabb's prospects. More than that, . Let Washington overpay in the twilight of his career -- I don't think Don will age like Brett (few do), but rather like McNair. This deal tells me that Philly isn't too worried about Don's impact -- dealing him in division -- I, for one, agree with them 100%.

ADVANTAGE: Philly.

Enjoy the rebuilding era.

 

[cobalt_27]

To answer the OP's question: The 'Skins by a ton. A couple good picks for the Eagles, but they are going to wish they had never done that...

By...a...ton.

 

[southeastjerome]

I think the Redskins got fleeced.They gave a very high second in a draft with great depth where a 2nd has nearly 1st round value in terms of talent for a 34 year old QB in a contract year (although I wouldn't be surprised they may have an extension agreed upon/in the works).The Redskin's aren't the Vikings that are merely a QB away from making a run, no matter what Snyder thinks.

 

[Mr. Retukes]

I think this all but guarantees the Eagles finish 4th in the division, unless the Giants can't right their defense.

Wha?McNabb to Kolb is only a slight decline (if any), and the 2nd round pick will make up for it easily.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

The trade helps the Redskins become competitive in the short-term, but I don't think it'll be enough to help them become a playoff team and it hurt them long-term. Edge - Eagles.

True, but everyone's only focusing in on how it will effect the Redskins short term and not the Eagles. How does this effect the Eagles right now. They are a playoff team, a team that was one win away from winning the division a bye week. You just traded away the QB that led you there.Short term, to me the Eagles are a worse team right now than they were this morning. They have no depth at QB right now and who really knows how good this guy really is. I know we'll find out but he'll have to be darn good to come in and play 16 games the way McNabb could.It might be advantage Eagles long term but what people are not focusing on is they are a playoff team NOW. In two years, they may not be and this short term advantage everyone's talking about won't mean squat.

 

[Amused to Death]

Awesome job by Philly. Probably would have gotten done a lot sooner if they used KC-Cassel deal last year for reference (vs. asking for 1st++). Obvious Don wasn't coming back next year so they got themselves quite the deal.

Philly gets to play their guy groomed for 3 years in same system. One who showed a lot of potential last year. One I think right now is every bit as good as Don in that offense. [i think Kolb ends 2010 with better stats. Remember, Don's going to a new offense with new receivers]

Washington gets a QB upgrade they desire and same address other needs at 4 overall. [vs. reaching for James Claussen].

For a year or two, I like McNabb's prospects. More than that, . Let Washington overpay in the twilight of his career -- I don't think Don will age like Brett (few do), but rather like McNair. This deal tells me that Philly isn't too worried about Don's impact -- dealing him in division -- I, for one, agree with them 100%.

ADVANTAGE: Philly.

Enjoy the rebuilding era.

In case you haven't noticed they've been rebuilding for a few years now. They now have 2 players left from the Super Bowl team. That's 51 players out of 53 gone in 5 seasons. Rebuilding.

 

[Jason Wood]

I think this all but guarantees the Eagles finish 4th in the division, unless the Giants can't right their defense.

Wha?McNabb to Kolb is only a slight decline (if any), and the 2nd round pick will make up for it easily.

I don't see it that way. But I realize many do, and I SINCERELY hope I'm wrong. I'll be there all 8 home games rooting Kolb on, hoping my instincts about him aren't right.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I think this all but guarantees the Eagles finish 4th in the division, unless the Giants can't right their defense.

I think you and I are seeing this similarly. You don't lose a Hall of Fame type QB who can still play the game and act like you're going to not miss him. I'm shocked so many people are focusing on how this effects the Redskins and not the Eagles for this upcoming season.

 

[Amused to Death]

I think this all but guarantees the Eagles finish 4th in the division, unless the Giants can't right their defense.

I think you and I are seeing this similarly. You don't lose a Hall of Fame type QB who can still play the game and act like you're going to not miss him. I'm shocked so many people are focusing on how this effects the Redskins and not the Eagles for this upcoming season.

Borderline HOF maybe, but he hasn't been that in a few years now. He's an average QB at this point in his career. He's very average in career stats among active QB's.