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[ghostguy123]

You asked why Manning is so great, then asked why Manning is so much better than other great QBs you named............................

ummm, yeah? and? Everyone seems to have him over these guys. I'm asking why. Nothing inconsistent there.

Then that should have been your original question.

 

[zilladog]

win/loss isn't a stat? Isn't the most important stat?

Not not at all when determining who is a better player in a team sport. It is a factor, but not the most important factor. There are plenty of lesser QBs who win more games than better QBs because they play on better teams.

Well we all (meaning the media and fans generally) like to put qb as the most importnat factor to a teams success. More so with Manning because he is also the defacto O-coordinator. Good qb's bring wins to their teams. Every stat is technically a team stat, thats football. But I certainly think win pct plays a role in legacy.

 

[ghostguy123]

How are passing yards not a team stat when someone else on the team has to catch it?

Because passing yards are assigned to a player, and a win is assigned to a team.

Why doesn't a QB get a "win" when they go 30-40 with 400 yards and three TDs but the team loses?

Why doesn't a QB get a "loss" when they go 3-20 with 40 yards and 3 INTs but the team wins?

 

[ghostguy123]

There is a .004 difference in the win pct of Manning vs. Big Ben. He also has one more ring

Ben: .673

Manning: .677

Ben doesn't hold a candle to Manning in terms of big flashy passing stats...But it isn't all about that, now is it?

So then according to you, Russell Wilson is the best QB of all time because of his win %. Wonderful logic.

I call this the "Mike Golic logic", on par with Golic saying it is better to be 4-0 in super bowls than to be 4-2.

No. I was simply pointing out that there are other qb's who compare favorably to Manning. That's all. Any implications beyond that you just made up.

So you seriously actually do need someone to explain to you why Manning is so great???

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Not even the most hardcore Steelers fan would put Big Ben in the same tier as Manning. Roethlisberger is good, but come on. That's not even a serious comparison.

 

[fantasycurse42]

Not even the most hardcore Steelers fan would put Big Ben in the same tier as Manning. Roethlisberger is good, but come on. That's not even a serious comparison.

Agree

 

[zilladog]

How are passing yards not a team stat when someone else on the team has to catch it?

Because passing yards are assigned to a player, and a win is assigned to a team.

Why doesn't a QB get a "win" when they go 30-40 with 400 yards and three TDs but the team loses?

Why doesn't a QB get a "loss" when they go 3-20 with 40 yards and 3 INTs but the team wins?

Only because of this line of thinking many seem to have:

Well we all (meaning the media and fans generally) like to put qb as the most importnat factor to a teams success. More so with Manning because he is also the defacto O-coordinator. Good qb's bring wins to their teams. Every stat is technically a team stat, thats football. But I certainly think win pct plays a role in legacy.

There is a .004 difference in the win pct of Manning vs. Big Ben. He also has one more ring

Ben: .673

Manning: .677

Ben doesn't hold a candle to Manning in terms of big flashy passing stats...But it isn't all about that, now is it?

So then according to you, Russell Wilson is the best QB of all time because of his win %. Wonderful logic.

I call this the "Mike Golic logic", on par with Golic saying it is better to be 4-0 in super bowls than to be 4-2.

No. I was simply pointing out that there are other qb's who compare favorably to Manning. That's all. Any implications beyond that you just made up.

So you seriously actually do need someone to explain to you why Manning is so great???

I'm asking for someone to explain why he is better than the other qbs mentioned. You can keep asking why I'm asking (as if that contributes something), or you can offer up an answer. Up to you.

 

[fantasycurse42]

This is where I'm putting Manning:

Montana

Elway

Brady

Young

Farve

Manning

Marino

 

[ghostguy123]

win/loss isn't a stat? Isn't the most important stat?

Not not at all when determining who is a better player in a team sport. It is a factor, but not the most important factor. There are plenty of lesser QBs who win more games than better QBs because they play on better teams.

Well we all (meaning the media and fans generally) like to put qb as the most importnat factor to a teams success. More so with Manning because he is also the defacto O-coordinator. Good qb's bring wins to their teams. Every stat is technically a team stat, thats football. But I certainly think win pct plays a role in legacy.

Of course it plays a roll, in context.

If a QB goes 35-40 for 350 yards every game of his career with no turnovers and 2-3 TDs every game, but goes 0-16 every year of his career, that guy is the best QB of all time.

And yes QB is the "most important", but not so important that it should be looked at like an individual sport that those same media idiots make it sound like. They just like to talk and stimulate arguments. Half the time you can tell they dont even truly believe what they are saying.

 

[ghostguy123]

This is where I'm putting Manning:

Montana

Elway

Brady

Young

Farve

Manning

Marino

Just curious. Manning in what, year 16 of his career?

Where would Manning be on this list if they won the game yesterday and Manning did well?

 

[ghostguy123]

I think I am just gonna go ahead and agree with the Manning detractors.

This game yesterday kills Manning's legacy. Why not.

 

[JuniorNB]

This is where I'm putting Manning:

Montana

Elway

Brady

Young

Farve

Manning

Marino

Ok, so let me get this straight. You have Manning, despite his ridiculous stats, at #6, presumably because of his big game play, but you have Favre ranked ahead of him? Who was the very definition of statwhore. You should stick to watching Will Farrell movies. You're clueless.

 

[zilladog]

Not even the most hardcore Steelers fan would put Big Ben in the same tier as Manning. Roethlisberger is good, but come on. That's not even a serious comparison.

Agree

Look,

The whole point of all this posting I'm doing is I'm just trying to get a sense, in your opinions, what it is about Peyton that puts him on a pedestal above many of the other qb's in the game like Brady, Big Ben, Brees, Marino. Is it all just passing yards and td's? If so, then there are others in his realm (Brady, Brees). If it's wins, Then Big Ben is right there with him and Brady crushes him. Is it leadership? PLENTY of other qb's are great leaders and have led their teams to greatness (Elway, Rogers). Longevity? (Favre).

I may be implying it, but I'm not even making any definitive statements or opinions about Manning one way or another (other than I think Brady is better) I'm only asking what it is that you guys believe makes him so much better. All I can gather is that he's thrown for more yards and touchdowns, which certainly puts him near the top but not ON the top, like many here have argued.

 

[Ghost Rider]

That's an interesting question about Brady vs. the Seahawks.

If the Patriots had played the Seahawks last night, they would have lost. The only thing they'd have had going for them is that they would have been forced to run the ball, which was the only way to beat this Seahawks team. But I don't think they could have won this game.

If Tom Brady had taken Manning's place at the helm of Denver's offense last night, that's different. I doubt he would have put up 40+ points, but I doubt the Broncos would have given up 26 points on turnovers, either. I think we can say that the Seahawks would have won - they certainly earned the title and for my money they were the best team in the NFL this year. But it's an interesting idea.

I think this has more to do with coaching than it does the QB's. John Fox was in over his head.

Agreed. The Patriots likely would have been outplayed as badly as the Broncos were, but the score probably wouldn't have been as lopsided, thanks to Belichick.

 

[fantasycurse42]

This is where I'm putting Manning:

Montana

Elway

Brady

Young

Farve

Manning

Marino

Just curious. Manning in what, year 16 of his career?

Where would Manning be on this list if they won the game yesterday and Manning did well?

What does the year of his career have to do with anything? This is an overall all time - This is my list... In my list the top 3 are set in stone, the rest can be moved around.

If Manning won and played well yesterday I have him and Brady probably equal.

 

[fantasycurse42]

This is where I'm putting Manning:

Montana

Elway

Brady

Young

Farve

Manning

Marino

Ok, so let me get this straight. You have Manning, despite his ridiculous stats, at #6, presumably because of his big game play, but you have Favre ranked ahead of him? Who was the very definition of statwhore. You should stick to watching Will Farrell movies. You're clueless.

You don't even know what Spygate is... Your comments in this thread show a pure lack of knowledge for pigskin.

Personally I think Favre with his rocket arm and no fear attitude would've given Denver a much better shot at victory yesterday... It could be debated, but I'd take Favre over Manning.

 

[Gachi]

Manning is who we thought he was. Year after year he has amazing regular-season stats and lays an egg in the post-season.

He's one of the best players I've ever seen play the game, however he is not clutch.

If there's 2:40 left on the clock and my team is on their own 15 I would NOT want Peyton as my QB.

 

[JuniorNB]

This is where I'm putting Manning:

Montana

Elway

Brady

Young

Farve

Manning

Marino

Ok, so let me get this straight. You have Manning, despite his ridiculous stats, at #6, presumably because of his big game play, but you have Favre ranked ahead of him? Who was the very definition of statwhore. You should stick to watching Will Farrell movies. You're clueless.

You don't even know what Spygate is... Your comments in this thread show a pure lack of knowledge for pigskin.

Personally I think Favre with his rocket arm and no fear attitude would've given Denver a much better shot at victory yesterday... It could be debated, but I'd take Favre over Manning.

Knowledge for pigskin? lol First off, I forgot more about football than you'll ever know.

Secondly, Google Spygate and get back to me. I want a report on what penalties the league handed down to New England and then an essay as to why you suppose the league punished them so heavily. You have till the end of day.

 

[goodoldalky]

This is where I'm putting Manning:

Montana

Elway

Brady

Young

Farve

Manning

Marino

Ok, so let me get this straight. You have Manning, despite his ridiculous stats, at #6, presumably because of his big game play, but you have Favre ranked ahead of him? Who was the very definition of statwhore. You should stick to watching Will Farrell movies. You're clueless.

I think it's hard to place Favre ahead of Manning. This debate could go on... forever. But here's my list.

1. Montana (4-0 in the SuperBowl.. unreal).

2. Brady (When he's retired, his record will speak for itself and stands up to anyone. I do hate him though.)

3. Elway (Images of his last SB victory carry him here.)

4. Manning (Give him 1-2 more rings and he's just behind Montana.)

5. Unitas (I was, well, not alive yet when he dominated, but it sure sounded impressive.)

6. Favre (Again, hindered by minimal SB success, but holds all the meaningful records.)

7. Young (Tends to get knocked by uber-talented supporting cast, but I can't possibly rank him lower than this.)

8. Dan Marino (Never got a ring, but who cares. He was awesome.)

9. Bradshaw (Same knock as on Young, but 4 Superbowls is impressive even if you're not asked to carry the team.)

10. Slinging Sammy Baugh (Basically invented the forward pass, but hard to compare to the SB era. One for the old timers.)

 

[sho nuff]

What, besides big stats, makes Manning so great exactly?

What, besides being able to spell a few words correctly, makes you not rAtarded?

This is a really, really, really stupid question.

Humor me, then.

I am playing mostly devils advocate here. He certainly belongs in thepantheon f the greats. But there are plenty of guys who compare very favorably to Manning in terms of stats. Big Ben, Brees, Marino to name a few. Why is Manning better?

Big Ben compares favorably to Manning's stats? Since when?

What puts Manning in the upper elite tier is his mind. Ability to work an offense, read the D and command the offense to his liking.

His work ethic...pursuit of perfection and so on.

There is a .004 difference in the win pct of Manning vs. Big Ben. He also has one more ring

Ben: .673

Manning: .677

Ben doesn't hold a candle to Manning in terms of big flashy passing stats...But it isn't all about that, now is it?

You just said in terms of stats.

Stats are more of the individual thing I thought we were comparing. Not winning percentage which is more of a team number.

Also a bit skewed by Manning coming in to a Colts team that was terrible. 3-13 the year before and were never better than 9-7 for several years before that.

Ben came into a team that was 6-10 the year before...but 10-5 and 13-3 in the years before that and were perennial playoff teams for a good decade there...

win/loss isn't a stat? Isn't the most important stat?

Its not actually a QB stat no.

Its a team stat.

HTH

How are passing yards not a team stat when someone else on the team has to catch it?

You seem to want to be intentionally obtuse here in order to argue.

Carry on.

 

[sho nuff]

This is where I'm putting Manning:

Montana

Elway

Brady

Young

Farve

Manning

Marino

Ok, so let me get this straight. You have Manning, despite his ridiculous stats, at #6, presumably because of his big game play, but you have Favre ranked ahead of him? Who was the very definition of statwhore. You should stick to watching Will Farrell movies. You're clueless.

As a fan of both players...Manning may be the better QB. I will say he is the better overall QB.

But I would have rather had Favre for all those years than Manning as a Packers fan.

 

[sho nuff]

This is where I'm putting Manning:

Montana

Elway

Brady

Young

Farve

Manning

Marino

Ok, so let me get this straight. You have Manning, despite his ridiculous stats, at #6, presumably because of his big game play, but you have Favre ranked ahead of him? Who was the very definition of statwhore. You should stick to watching Will Farrell movies. You're clueless.

You don't even know what Spygate is... Your comments in this thread show a pure lack of knowledge for pigskin.

Personally I think Favre with his rocket arm and no fear attitude would've given Denver a much better shot at victory yesterday... It could be debated, but I'd take Favre over Manning.

Now...Favre may have given them a better shot yesterday based on that game.

That does not necessarily make Favre the better QB though.

 

[shader]

Montana

Brady

Manning

Marino

Elway

Those are the top 5 imo. I think Elway is locked in at 5 on the list. I know he won two rings and Marino didn't, but that was the luck of the draw.

Brady vs Manning will be debated forever. Brady has the better chance of enhancing his legacy, as I think his arm strength is intact and he's got a better coaching staff. I anticipate a big push to sign a lot of weapons this off-season.

Montana has 4 super bowl rings. Hard to overcome that.

Marino was an amazing QB surrounded by average talent. Biggest victim of the fact that it takes a team to win.

I'm sure some will make an argument for Manning being the GOAT. But at this point, in reality the door is wide open for a guy like Aaron Rodgers. Rodgers just needs 8-10 more years of dominance and 2 super bowl rings and he may bust the door down. It's as wide open as it was for basketball before MJ.

 

[bostonfred]

Ok, so let me get this straight. You have Manning, despite his ridiculous stats, at #6, presumably because of his big game play, but you have Favre ranked ahead of him? Who was the very definition of statwhore. You should stick to watching Will Farrell movies. You're clueless.

I can't speak for him, but the case for favre ahead of manning isn't based on stats, so much as favre elevating whoever he played with. Sharpe might have been great without him, robert brooks maybe. Freeman? He sucked without favre, but picked up right where brooks left off the season brooks got hurt. Donald driver was never a great talent, imo, but he was a beast with favre. Javon walker looked awesome with him, too. Even bill schroeder had a decent season with him. Manning may have better stats at the end of their careers, but he will have done it in an easier era, with every advantage a qb could ask for to catch those stats, starting right awat, playing in a dome, surrounded by first rounders and hall of famers, on a team that kepts its own free agents and didn't change offensive coordinators, and had a below average defense to keep him passing and accumulating stats, in a division with not one but two expansion teams, and then when he finally left, he got to pick his own team and they not only let him pick which offense he would play, they kept adding top talent for him on offense, too. And yet, with all of those advantages, he's got to play another season to approach those records.

For me, manning has probably passed favre, because I think his style has had more of an influence on qbs in his era than favre did. And that's important - qbs today try to emulate manning, and they watch his film in a much different way than they watched favre. But its closer than you make it sound.

 

[skinsrule05]

What, besides big stats, makes Manning so great exactly?

What, besides being able to spell a few words correctly, makes you not rAtarded?

This is a really, really, really stupid question.

Humor me, then. I am playing mostly devils advocate here. He certainly belongs in thepantheon f the greats. But there are plenty of guys who compare very favorably to Manning in terms of stats. Big Ben, Brees, Marino to name a few. Why is Manning better?

First off, get Big Ben out of there. He's not even in the conversation.But as for Brees and Marino, I'd put them up there, too. Brees is a bit of a stats compiler at home. He's one of those 'perfect conditions' guys. But he's undoubtedly a great QB.

To me, Manning's greatness became the most evident when he went down for the 2011 season and his team promptly went from automatic 10 win team to being the worst team in the league. That didn't happen the year Brady went out. Or when Rodgers was out this year. The teams definitely slipped, but they didn't completely implode like when manning was out.

This is a very interesting point that I never really thought about.

 

[kyoun1e]

This is where I'm putting Manning:

Montana

Elway

Brady

Young

Farve

Manning

Marino

Ok, so let me get this straight. You have Manning, despite his ridiculous stats, at #6, presumably because of his big game play, but you have Favre ranked ahead of him? Who was the very definition of statwhore. You should stick to watching Will Farrell movies. You're clueless.

Would put Manning ahead of Favre but they're similar.

Both statwhores.

One guy just threw away big games. Not in a choke kind of way, but more of I'm a moron kind of way. And had one title.

The other guy choked in big moments. And had one title.

 

[zilladog]

What, besides big stats, makes Manning so great exactly?

What, besides being able to spell a few words correctly, makes you not rAtarded?

This is a really, really, really stupid question.

Humor me, then.

I am playing mostly devils advocate here. He certainly belongs in thepantheon f the greats. But there are plenty of guys who compare very favorably to Manning in terms of stats. Big Ben, Brees, Marino to name a few. Why is Manning better?

Big Ben compares favorably to Manning's stats? Since when?

What puts Manning in the upper elite tier is his mind. Ability to work an offense, read the D and command the offense to his liking.

His work ethic...pursuit of perfection and so on.

There is a .004 difference in the win pct of Manning vs. Big Ben. He also has one more ring

Ben: .673

Manning: .677

Ben doesn't hold a candle to Manning in terms of big flashy passing stats...But it isn't all about that, now is it?

You just said in terms of stats.

Stats are more of the individual thing I thought we were comparing. Not winning percentage which is more of a team number.

Also a bit skewed by Manning coming in to a Colts team that was terrible. 3-13 the year before and were never better than 9-7 for several years before that.

Ben came into a team that was 6-10 the year before...but 10-5 and 13-3 in the years before that and were perennial playoff teams for a good decade there...

win/loss isn't a stat? Isn't the most important stat?

Its not actually a QB stat no.

Its a team stat.

HTH

How are passing yards not a team stat when someone else on the team has to catch it?

You seem to want to be intentionally obtuse here in order to argue.

Carry on.

You're right it is a poor argument which is why I moved on quickly from it much regrets but my other points I still stand by.

 

[fantasycurse42]

Super Bowl, team is down 4 points, ball on your 25, two minutes left in the game... Who you got?

Montana

Elway

I don't know how above is even debatable... Below you can start to debate, but I stick with my list from above for this scenario too:

Brady

Young

Favre

& here I begin to question who I would want...

 

[Ghost Rider]

I'm sure some will make an argument for Manning being the GOAT. But at this point, in reality the door is wide open for a guy like Aaron Rodgers. Rodgers just needs 8-10 more years of dominance and 2 super bowl rings and he may bust the door down. It's as wide open as it was for basketball before MJ.

That is true, but the Packers need to do something to make themselves legit top NFC contenders again. Because right now they are still behind Seattle, SF, Carolina and probably New Orleans. Rodgers will have the stats, and has a ring already, but just like some hold it against Peyton for his many first round exits, Rodgers cannot keep losing in his first round or else that stigma will stick to him, too.

 

[ghostguy123]

This is where I'm putting Manning:

Montana

Elway

Brady

Young

Farve

Manning

Marino

Just curious. Manning in what, year 16 of his career?

Where would Manning be on this list if they won the game yesterday and Manning did well?

What does the year of his career have to do with anything? This is an overall all time - This is my list... In my list the top 3 are set in stone, the rest can be moved around.

If Manning won and played well yesterday I have him and Brady probably equal.

The point is, as you just said, you would alter your rankings that drastically based on one game??

 

[ghostguy123]

This is where I'm putting Manning:

Montana

Elway

Brady

Young

Farve

Manning

Marino

Ok, so let me get this straight. You have Manning, despite his ridiculous stats, at #6, presumably because of his big game play, but you have Favre ranked ahead of him? Who was the very definition of statwhore. You should stick to watching Will Farrell movies. You're clueless.

You don't even know what Spygate is... Your comments in this thread show a pure lack of knowledge for pigskin.

Personally I think Favre with his rocket arm and no fear attitude would've given Denver a much better shot at victory yesterday... It could be debated, but I'd take Favre over Manning.

Sure, while Mannings wins a ton of games that Favre would have otherwise lost.

Guess what, Manning today gives Denver a better chance to win than Manning of yesterday.

 

[goodoldalky]

Montana

Brady

Manning

Marino

Elway

On what basis do you put Marino ahead of Favre?

 

[ghostguy123]

Manning is who we thought he was. Year after year he has amazing regular-season stats and lays an egg in the post-season.

He's one of the best players I've ever seen play the game, however he is not clutch.

If there's 2:40 left on the clock and my team is on their own 15 I would NOT want Peyton as my QB.

Winning two playoff games and playing great in those games then losing the super bowl is laying an egg?

 

[Ghost Rider]

Favre still has the most inexplicable game-deciding playoff INT ever, the one in OT against Philly in the 4th and 26 game. I'd still love to know what he was thinking when he just turned and flung that ball up into the air for anyone to pick off.

 

[thriftyrocker]

Favre didn't have any MVPs or 1st team All Pros after 1997. Manning has been consistently the best regular season QB in the NFL. More so than anyone else in the SB era.

 

[Devine Intervention]

What other QB has changed the position more than Manning??? Jim Kelly?

 

[fantasycurse42]

Montana

Brady

Manning

Marino

Elway

On what basis do you put Marino ahead of Favre?

Furthermore, how are any of those guys ahead of Elway excluding Montana

 

[Stinkin Ref]

1. You don't pay a guy $20 mil a year to take knee at the end of a tie game with a decent amount of time left on the clock and two timeouts left. (last year)

2. You don't pay a guy $20 mil a year to throw a high school looking back across the field interception in OT to set up the winning FG for the other team. (last year)

3. You don't pay a guy $20 mil a year to call on draw on 3 and 10 at the SEA 40. (this year)

4. You don't pay a guy $20 mil a year to then punt it instead of going for it after you run that draw play. (this year)

5. Peyton was brought in to make these plays and do stuff that the average QB doesn't do in crunch time. (he's not very good at it)

6. Fox has shown to be too conservative in big moments and we know that Peyton has veto power at the line and he also chokes up a little I think.

7. And how in the hell does DEN not use their timeouts at the end of the first half and at least make SEA punt? You never know what can happen.

 

[sho nuff]

Super Bowl, team is down 4 points, ball on your 25, two minutes left in the game... Who you got?

Montana

Elway

I don't know how above is even debatable... Below you can start to debate, but I stick with my list from above for this scenario too:

Brady

Young

Favre

& here I begin to question who I would want...

Elway and Favre are about the same to me. They are both just as likely to throw an INT to end it as they are to lead a TD drive.

 

[sho nuff]

I'm sure some will make an argument for Manning being the GOAT. But at this point, in reality the door is wide open for a guy like Aaron Rodgers. Rodgers just needs 8-10 more years of dominance and 2 super bowl rings and he may bust the door down. It's as wide open as it was for basketball before MJ.

That is true, but the Packers need to do something to make themselves legit top NFC contenders again. Because right now they are still behind Seattle, SF, Carolina and probably New Orleans. Rodgers will have the stats, and has a ring already, but just like some hold it against Peyton for his many first round exits, Rodgers cannot keep losing in his first round or else that stigma will stick to him, too.

It might. They need defense. And it would be one thing if Rodgers was choking or something in these.

It was pretty obvious last year that the defense just had nothing for San Fran. This year was a much closer game, the D did almost enough. But special teams and a few miscues lead to that loss. I don't think they are all that far off of San Fran overall if they can play like that.

But they are several pieces away on D to be able to do it consistently. They would have a shot against those teams...but would likely win maybe 2 times out of 10 if they played.

 

[Breesisdaman]

Summing up Peyton's clutch performance with a picture

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/t1/1010101_675182745858493_315825799_n.jpg

 

[sho nuff]

Favre still has the most inexplicable game-deciding playoff INT ever, the one in OT against Philly in the 4th and 26 game. I'd still love to know what he was thinking when he just turned and flung that ball up into the air for anyone to pick off.

I would agree...but have seen that play in that offense quite a bit as a 3rd down blitz read. Throw basically a fade and hope your guy goes and gets it. Problem was it was terribly thrown...they had safety help there and that blitz read was always only if there is one on one there. So who the hell knows what he was thinking there. Probably...hope my guy goes and gets it.

 

[skinsrule05]

This is where I'm putting Manning:

Montana

Elway

Brady

Young

Farve

Manning

Marino

Just curious. Manning in what, year 16 of his career?

Where would Manning be on this list if they won the game yesterday and Manning did well?

What does the year of his career have to do with anything? This is an overall all time - This is my list... In my list the top 3 are set in stone, the rest can be moved around.

If Manning won and played well yesterday I have him and Brady probably equal.

The point is, as you just said, you would alter your rankings that drastically based on one game??

And to make it worse he doesn't alter Brady's ranking for his subpar post season play this year. I guess SB is the only playoff game that matters.

 

[Anarchy99]

This is where I'm putting Manning:

Montana

Elway

Brady

Young

Farve

Manning

Marino

Just curious. Manning in what, year 16 of his career?

Where would Manning be on this list if they won the game yesterday and Manning did well?

What does the year of his career have to do with anything? This is an overall all time - This is my list... In my list the top 3 are set in stone, the rest can be moved around.

If Manning won and played well yesterday I have him and Brady probably equal.

The point is, as you just said, you would alter your rankings that drastically based on one game??

And to make it worse he doesn't alter Brady's ranking for his subpar post season play this year. I guess SB is the only playoff game that matters.

Not sure how Brady's post season play this year was so horrid. NE scored 43 on IND by running the ball. And he was off on a couple of passes in DEN playing with the weakest set of receivers of all the playoff teams.

Manning was the one with the all time highest scoring offense in the history of all history. The Broncos scoring only 8 pts in the SB was way more shocking than how Brady performed in the post season.

 

[Tool]

This is where I'm putting Manning:

Montana

Elway

Brady

Young

Farve

Manning

Marino

Just curious. Manning in what, year 16 of his career?

Where would Manning be on this list if they won the game yesterday and Manning did well?

What does the year of his career have to do with anything? This is an overall all time - This is my list... In my list the top 3 are set in stone, the rest can be moved around.

If Manning won and played well yesterday I have him and Brady probably equal.

The point is, as you just said, you would alter your rankings that drastically based on one game??

And to make it worse he doesn't alter Brady's ranking for his subpar post season play this year. I guess SB is the only playoff game that matters.

Not sure how Brady's post season play this year was so horrid. NE scored 43 on IND by running the ball. And he was off on a couple of passes in DEN playing with the weakest set of receivers of all the playoff teams.

Manning was the one with the all time highest scoring offense in the history of all history. The Broncos scoring only 8 pts in the SB was way more shocking than how Brady performed in the post season.

Brady missed some passes that he shouldn't have missed. He should've played better. he'd be the first to admit that.

 

[Junta]

If Peyton chose SF instead of Denver and all else remains the same, who wins NFC last year and this year and who wins Super Bowl in same?

 

[Anarchy99]

This is where I'm putting Manning:

Montana

Elway

Brady

Young

Farve

Manning

Marino

Just curious. Manning in what, year 16 of his career?

Where would Manning be on this list if they won the game yesterday and Manning did well?

What does the year of his career have to do with anything? This is an overall all time - This is my list... In my list the top 3 are set in stone, the rest can be moved around.

If Manning won and played well yesterday I have him and Brady probably equal.

The point is, as you just said, you would alter your rankings that drastically based on one game??

And to make it worse he doesn't alter Brady's ranking for his subpar post season play this year. I guess SB is the only playoff game that matters.

Not sure how Brady's post season play this year was so horrid. NE scored 43 on IND by running the ball. And he was off on a couple of passes in DEN playing with the weakest set of receivers of all the playoff teams.

Manning was the one with the all time highest scoring offense in the history of all history. The Broncos scoring only 8 pts in the SB was way more shocking than how Brady performed in the post season.

Brady missed some passes that he shouldn't have missed. He should've played better. he'd be the first to admit that.

So which was better and which was worse. Brady missing a handful of passes against DEN . . . or Manning's performance against SEA?

 

[Anarchy99]

If Peyton chose SF instead of Denver and all else remains the same, who wins NFC last year and this year and who wins Super Bowl in same?

That depends. Is the SEA defense going to played the same against SF with Manning the way they did against DEN with Manning yesterday? If so, SEA would still have gone to the SB and beat someone other than DEN in the SB.

 

[Junta]

So you are saying as a team, SF w/Peyton = Denver?

 

[Anarchy99]

So you are saying as a team, SF w/Peyton = Denver?

No. I am saying SEA yesterday >> all other 31 teams, even SF with Manning.

SEA likely would not have hung 43 points on SF, but the same strategy would have worked against Manning no matter what team he was on. Get consistent pressure up the middle with 4 guys, don't let him have time or room to step up, and make him become mobile just to get a pass off. He was so far away from his comfort zone that I don't think the team he was on would have made all that much difference. Clearly no way to prove that, just IMO.