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Mike Anderson = Steal of the 2005 draft (1 Viewer)

Who's saying he is?

But Dayne is a dog. I'm sorry, but he's a dog. The Broncos have a great system but every system can be exposed and if you want to see Denver's get exposed go right ahead and plug Dayne into the starting lineup.
My only question would be whether you have seen Dayne run w/ DEN this preseason?I know, I know - his NYG history. But I would submit Rueben Droughns' history prior to last season to you & ask you who had the better chance of success at RB, Dayne or Droughns.

What we have seen here with DEN is a RB who is decisive, powerful, fast, and has a nasty disposition upon contact. All I heard about his running in New York was all the stutter stepping & tiptoeing. I haven't seen any evidence of that here.

I'm not saying he's the one to take Anderson's job. I am saying that his reputation coming into DEN is absolutely nothing like his performance here so far with DEN.

 
Anderson isn't going to lose the job unless he gets hurt or he performs extremely poorly. Good luck waiting for Bell to take it during the regular season through Bell's own actions.
:goodposting: these are the arguments i've read why anderson won't be the starter for the whole season and bell will suplant him or out produce him:

-anderson is old and will get injured

he doesn't carry that "injury prone" tag like some getting drafted before him (chris brown, fred taylor, deshaun foster. you can't predict injuries, so why is MA more likely to not finish the season? (and don't say age: it's been asked and answered)

-bell has better talent than MA

where does this phrase come from?!? you wealth of football knowledge after watching him play in college, or seeing every down he was in last year?!?! do you think, for just a moment, that skeletor may know a thing or two about RB and football to be able to make a decision on who will help his team more?! so, should i trust shanny or some 38 year-old fantasy football ekspert from peoria, illinois? hmmm....

-bell is skeletor's guy. you know, his highest draft pick ever for a RB

so! MA is a team leader who was willing to play special teams or do whatever it takes (i.e. go to FB) to help his team. MA is skeletor's guy too, plus plummer's, rod smith, the O-line's, etc. etc.

-anderson will not be as productive and will eventually get benched

where does this come from?!!? hope? blind faith? a FF owner's reluctant ego? anderson has done nothing to support this thinking all through training camp and preseason. if you've read the denver training camp reports and the insight from some local posters (pony boy, SSOG), you'll see that anderson has had a tremendous 2 months. so, what, come october he's just going to have a complete collapse and begin fumbling, missing blocks, and have a paltry YPC average against teams like KC, jax and wash

anderson is the #1 RB in denver and the only way he loses his job, just like the majority of starting RB in the league, is through injury. bell is worth less than LJ, IMHO.

 
In a 12 team redraft I was able to get Anderson off of the free agent market last week. The Tatum Bell owner is now offering Ricky Williams for Anderson. :)

 
In a 12 team redraft I was able to get Anderson off of the free agent market last week. The Tatum Bell owner is now offering Ricky Williams for Anderson. :)
I would feel insulted. I would at least need a top WR to trade Anderson now.
 
Anderson isn't going to lose the job unless he gets hurt or he performs extremely poorly.  Good luck waiting for Bell to take it during the regular season through Bell's own actions.
:goodposting: these are the arguments i've read why anderson won't be the starter for the whole season and bell will suplant him or out produce him:

-anderson is old and will get injured

he doesn't carry that "injury prone" tag like some getting drafted before him (chris brown, fred taylor, deshaun foster. you can't predict injuries, so why is MA more likely to not finish the season? (and don't say age: it's been asked and answered)

-bell has better talent than MA

where does this phrase come from?!? you wealth of football knowledge after watching him play in college, or seeing every down he was in last year?!?! do you think, for just a moment, that skeletor may know a thing or two about RB and football to be able to make a decision on who will help his team more?! so, should i trust shanny or some 38 year-old fantasy football ekspert from peoria, illinois? hmmm....

-bell is skeletor's guy. you know, his highest draft pick ever for a RB

so! MA is a team leader who was willing to play special teams or do whatever it takes (i.e. go to FB) to help his team. MA is skeletor's guy too, plus plummer's, rod smith, the O-line's, etc. etc.

-anderson will not be as productive and will eventually get benched

where does this come from?!!? hope? blind faith? a FF owner's reluctant ego? anderson has done nothing to support this thinking all through training camp and preseason. if you've read the denver training camp reports and the insight from some local posters (pony boy, SSOG), you'll see that anderson has had a tremendous 2 months. so, what, come october he's just going to have a complete collapse and begin fumbling, missing blocks, and have a paltry YPC average against teams like KC, jax and wash

anderson is the #1 RB in denver and the only way he loses his job, just like the majority of starting RB in the league, is through injury. bell is worth less than LJ, IMHO.
:goodposting: :goodposting: I'm with Red on this one.

Shanny, prob. the best coach in the NFL, has him as the #1 RB for a reason...M.A. shows heart and production.

 
Anderson isn't going to lose the job unless he gets hurt or he performs extremely poorly.  Good luck waiting for Bell to take it during the regular season through Bell's own actions.
:goodposting: these are the arguments i've read why anderson won't be the starter for the whole season and bell will suplant him or out produce him:

-anderson is old and will get injured

he doesn't carry that "injury prone" tag like some getting drafted before him (chris brown, fred taylor, deshaun foster. you can't predict injuries, so why is MA more likely to not finish the season? (and don't say age: it's been asked and answered)

-bell has better talent than MA

where does this phrase come from?!? you wealth of football knowledge after watching him play in college, or seeing every down he was in last year?!?! do you think, for just a moment, that skeletor may know a thing or two about RB and football to be able to make a decision on who will help his team more?! so, should i trust shanny or some 38 year-old fantasy football ekspert from peoria, illinois? hmmm....

-bell is skeletor's guy. you know, his highest draft pick ever for a RB

so! MA is a team leader who was willing to play special teams or do whatever it takes (i.e. go to FB) to help his team. MA is skeletor's guy too, plus plummer's, rod smith, the O-line's, etc. etc.

-anderson will not be as productive and will eventually get benched

where does this come from?!!? hope? blind faith? a FF owner's reluctant ego? anderson has done nothing to support this thinking all through training camp and preseason. if you've read the denver training camp reports and the insight from some local posters (pony boy, SSOG), you'll see that anderson has had a tremendous 2 months. so, what, come october he's just going to have a complete collapse and begin fumbling, missing blocks, and have a paltry YPC average against teams like KC, jax and wash

anderson is the #1 RB in denver and the only way he loses his job, just like the majority of starting RB in the league, is through injury. bell is worth less than LJ, IMHO.
:goodposting: :goodposting: I'm with Red on this one.

Shanny, prob. the best coach in the NFL, has him as the #1 RB for a reason...M.A. shows heart and production.
I think you calling Shanny the best coach in the NFL speaks volumes. :popcorn:
 
For those who are interested where Anderson might go today and other RB news (such as Foster saying that Davis is Carolina's starter) may have played out. This is a 12 person draft. CBS Money league. Start: 1QB, 2RB, 2WR, 1 TE, 1K, 1D. Draft requirements: 2 QB's, 3/4 RB/WR, 2 TE, 1 K and 2 D. I had first pick: Tomlinson, Owens, C Martin, SJax, Roy Williams, Vick, Shockey, Foster, Porter, Warner, Bears, Falcons, Wilkins and Troupe. M Anderson in the mid 6th Round. T Jones in the late 12thFoster in the 8th. As a note. Charles Rogers undrafted!Anyway. That is a jump of about 4-8 round for Anderson today compared to my earlier drafts (many of which he was undrafted).

 
Anderson isn't going to lose the job unless he gets hurt or he performs extremely poorly. Good luck waiting for Bell to take it during the regular season through Bell's own actions.
:goodposting: these are the arguments i've read why anderson won't be the starter for the whole season and bell will suplant him or out produce him:

-anderson is old and will get injured

he doesn't carry that "injury prone" tag like some getting drafted before him (chris brown, fred taylor, deshaun foster. you can't predict injuries, so why is MA more likely to not finish the season? (and don't say age: it's been asked and answered)

He missed all of last year and games in 2 of the 3 previous seasons. It's hard enough to count on a 32 year old RB to stay healthy, let alone one that has had injuries in the past.

-bell has better talent than MA

where does this phrase come from?!? you wealth of football knowledge after watching him play in college, or seeing every down he was in last year?!?! do you think, for just a moment, that skeletor may know a thing or two about RB and football to be able to make a decision on who will help his team more?! so, should i trust shanny or some 38 year-old fantasy football ekspert from peoria, illinois? hmmm....

Bell is better runner, but doesn't block as well as Anderson. However, that is something that Bell can work on but Anderson will never run a 4.35.

-bell is skeletor's guy. you know, his highest draft pick ever for a RB

so! MA is a team leader who was willing to play special teams or do whatever it takes (i.e. go to FB) to help his team. MA is skeletor's guy too, plus plummer's, rod smith, the O-line's, etc. etc.

I don't think Shanny cares one way or another where he drafted someone when it comes time to pick the starter, but he did see enough in Bell to use a 2nd on him. Whether or not he still thinks Bell was worth the 2nd is unknown

-anderson will not be as productive and will eventually get benched

where does this come from?!!? hope? blind faith? a FF owner's reluctant ego? anderson has done nothing to support this thinking all through training camp and preseason. if you've read the denver training camp reports and the insight from some local posters (pony boy, SSOG), you'll see that anderson has had a tremendous 2 months. so, what, come october he's just going to have a complete collapse and begin fumbling, missing blocks, and have a paltry YPC average against teams like KC, jax and wash

Maybe not fumbling and missing blocks, but he'll be hard-pressed to average 4 YPC vs. Jax and Wash. None of us know how Shanny's mind works and how poorly MA would have to play to get benched. All I do know is that if Shanny isn't happy with his starting RB he won't think twice about benching him.

anderson is the #1 RB in denver and the only way he loses his job, just like the majority of starting RB in the league, is through injury. bell is worth less than LJ, IMHO.
 
Anderson did look impressive yesterday but i believe that Dayne would have looked equally impressive and Bell even more impressive.

Denver has played against poor run defenses thus far.

Anderson should and will start the season as the starter but I don't see this lasting.

Tatum Bell is the most explosive back on this team.  Anderson will not be able to be this successful against better defenses.  Bell has the talent, speed and explosiveness to succeed against the better defenses.

Every year a few RBs look great in preseason.  I remember James Stewart looking great in preseason his first year with Detroit.

Stop drinking the Anderson Kool Aid.

Bell will have this job by midseason and have a huge 2nd half.
Said the man that drafted Bell in the 2nd round.
 
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Every year a few RBs look great in preseason. I remember James Stewart looking great in preseason his first year with Detroit.
What year was it again that Stewart put up 1500 yds rushing being the featured RB in only 12 games of the regular season?
 
He's 32 in a plug and play system with a couple of knee injuries and drug issues under his belt... Shanny should be fired right now for even starting him during preseason. I would want Dayne starting over him if I was a Broncos fan. At least he could last a few years.
Said the man that wasted roster space on Ron Dayne.
 
I just got done drafting in a 14-team money league.Anderson went at 2.14.Bell went at 5.2.
Anderson at 2.14 is pure craziness IMO. When was the last year that this guy was the starter? I just don't see why, if he is so great, Denver felt compelled to draft Portis and Bell so early? My last memories of Anderson in regular season action are of him filling in either on thrid downs or for an injured Portis and not doing that well. Like I said, I stayed clear of the Denver RB's so I don't really care that much - I just think that people who think MA is going to be the savior are going to be disappointed.
 
Every year a few RBs look great in preseason. I remember James Stewart looking great in preseason his first year with Detroit.
What year was it again that Stewart put up 1500 yds rushing being the featured RB in only 12 games of the regular season?
I think that year doesn't exist...
 
I just got done drafting in a 14-team money league.

Anderson went at 2.14.

Bell went at 5.2.
Anderson at 2.14 is pure craziness IMO. When was the last year that this guy was the starter? I just don't see why, if he is so great, Denver felt compelled to draft Portis and Bell so early? My last memories of Anderson in regular season action are of him filling in either on thrid downs or for an injured Portis and not doing that well. Like I said, I stayed clear of the Denver RB's so I don't really care that much - I just think that people who think MA is going to be the savior are going to be disappointed.
I don't think many people in this thread are saying the guy is a saviour. Most got him late in drafts before last night so it's all gravy at this point. All the excuses should stop because these guys have been in a competition all summer and Anderson is the one standing after the smoke has cleared. I'm just saying give the guy his do, he won the job.
 
I just don't see why, if he is so great, Denver felt compelled to draft Portis and Bell so early?
Anderson may not be "so great," but even if he is, your question has an easy answer: they thought Portis and Bell were good.Same reason the Chiefs drafted Larry Johnson so early, the Jets drafted LaMont Jordan so early, etc.

 
I just don't see why, if he is so great, Denver felt compelled to draft Portis and Bell so early?
Good point. NFL teams only want one solid RB on their team, and then have the rest of the RBs be turds - just so we FFers can make easy decisions every year. :thumbup:
 
I just don't see why, if he is so great, Denver felt compelled to draft Portis and Bell so early?
Anderson may not be "so great," but even if he is, your question has an easy answer: they thought Portis and Bell were good.Same reason the Chiefs drafted Larry Johnson so early, the Jets drafted LaMont Jordan so early, etc.
OK, so what's the answer to the question of when was the last time he was the starter (because I honestly don't remember...4 years ago?) I just can't make myself believe that he is suddenly some all star again. I think if you drafted before today and got him late as your 3rd or 4th back, you're feeling pretty good about life since you have another week 1 NFL starter on your roster and you have nothing to lose and everything to gain - good job! My guess is that the guys that are picking him in the second round today will end up very disappointed.

 
Every year a few RBs look great in preseason.  I remember James Stewart looking great in preseason his first year with Detroit.
What year was it again that Stewart put up 1500 yds rushing being the featured RB in only 12 games of the regular season?
Oh, and just to give this a little perspective, Anderson wasn't the featured guy in these games in '00:Week 1 vs STL #13 run D (106 ypg) 0 carries

Week 5 vs NE #21 run D (114 ypg) 6 carries

Week 10 vs NYJ #23 run D (118 ypg) 1 carry

Week 11 vs OAK #5 run D (97 ypg) 0 carries

Playing for the #2 run O that year, if Anderson had been featured in all 16 games, at the rate he was gaining yds, and figuring the #2 run O would have overmatched at least 2 and probably 3 of those teams, Anderson could have joined Dickerson, J Lewis, Sanders, T Davis, & Simpson as the only RBs in NFL history to have gained 2000+ yds rushing in a season.

Don't think Anderson doesn't have the credentials, just because he took one for the team in '02 & '03 to play FB.

 
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Two FBG's staffers updated their Real Time rankings today, neither have Mike Anderson in their top 20, only one of the two have him in their top 25. The only logical reason I can see for this is they must be expecting Anderson to get injured or lose the job to Bell early (admitted big reach in logic on my part there :) ). The contrarian bet here is certainly to draft Anderson with top 20 expectations.

 
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Anderson did look impressive yesterday but i believe that Dayne would have looked equally impressive and Bell even more impressive.

Denver has played against poor run defenses thus far.

Anderson should and will start the season as the starter but I don't see this lasting.

Tatum Bell is the most explosive back on this team. Anderson will not be able to be this successful against better defenses. Bell has the talent, speed and explosiveness to succeed against the better defenses.

Every year a few RBs look great in preseason. I remember James Stewart looking great in preseason his first year with Detroit.

Stop drinking the Anderson Kool Aid.

Bell will have this job by midseason and have a huge 2nd half.
Said the man that drafted Bell in the 2nd round.
Is that supposed to discredit the opinion, or show that he truly believes it? :confused:
 
I just don't see why, if he is so great, Denver felt compelled to draft Portis and Bell so early?
Good point. NFL teams only want one solid RB on their team, and then have the rest of the RBs be turds - just so we FFers can make easy decisions every year.
:lmao:
 
Don't think Anderson doesn't have the credentials, just because he took one for the team in '02 & '03 to play FB.
If MA really is capable of being a 2000 yard rusher, why did Shanahan make him play fullback for those two years? I mean, what's harder to find, 2000 yard rushers or starting quality fullbacks? This doesn't make sense. So, either you think Shanahan is a total fool who squandered such great talent, or he had good reasons to not be convinced at all that Anderson could be that great. It seems he's only in this position now because Tatum hasn't really lit the world on fire, and every other reliable option has left town.

I couldn't burn a high to mid round pick on this guy. He does have a history of injuries, he's old, he's got a young back behind him, and Shanahan wasn't sold on this guy in the past. Too many concerns for me.

 
Don't think Anderson doesn't have the credentials, just because he took one for the team in '02 & '03 to play FB.
If MA really is capable of being a 2000 yard rusher, why did Shanahan make him play fullback for those two years?
He had Clinton Portis, more capable of being a 2,000 yard back than Anderson and no viable option better than Anderson at FB?Just a thought...

 
Droughns, as has been noted, was RB14 in FBG scoring last year. Droughns didn't start until week 4, as well, so that's RB14 despite really only 12 weeks of production.

Like I said, Droughns was 14th in the league despite only playing decent time in 12 games. Add to this the knowledge that Anderson is the week 1 starter, and isn't likely to lose the job based on performance, and you have the makings of, not only a top 10 back, but a top FIVE back.

He's old, but not appreciably older than Martin, Dillon, or Holmes, and he's significantly fresher than those 3.
On point 1,That's very misleading. Droughns ranked ELEVENTH in the NFL in carries, and FOURTEENTH in fantasy points. To imply that he ranked fourteenth despite not much playing time is backwards; he ranked fourteenth because he had so much playing time.

On point 2,

I'd much rather have an old back that's had a lot of carries the past few years, than one that has had very few carries the past few seasons. I'm not so certain Anderson will be ready for the physical abuse of 300 carries in a season (he may be ready, but he's certainly a worse bet than someone like Curtis Martin or Corey Dillon, guys that have proven capable of that workload).

Otherwise, I agree that Anderson is a good value.

 
Don't think Anderson doesn't have the credentials, just because he took one for the team in '02 & '03 to play FB.
If MA really is capable of being a 2000 yard rusher, why did Shanahan make him play fullback for those two years?
He had Clinton Portis, more capable of being a 2,000 yard back than Anderson and no viable option better than Anderson at FB?Just a thought...
This doesn't hold water. First of all, Portis was a rookie... you're saying Shanahan, or anyone else, were so certain that Portis could do 2000 at that point that they made their existing RB of the same talent languish at FB? I can't buy this.But that's just a logical argument that is besides the real point. The fact is that Portis didn't start that season anyways. If you remember, Olandis Gary was the opening day starter, and Portis later took over. Anderson wasn't even considered as a starter at HB. None of this makes sense.

Shanahan clearly didn't think MA was a legitimate option at RB. Either Shanahan was just an idiot, or MA's not nearly as great as the hype he's getting right now.

 
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Don't think Anderson doesn't have the credentials, just because he took one for the team in '02 & '03 to play FB.
If MA really is capable of being a 2000 yard rusher, why did Shanahan make him play fullback for those two years?
He had Clinton Portis, more capable of being a 2,000 yard back than Anderson and no viable option better than Anderson at FB?Just a thought...
This doesn't hold water. First of all, Portis was a rookie... you're saying Shanahan, or anyone else, were so certain that Portis could do 2000 at that point that they made their existing RB of the same talent languish at FB? I can't buy this.But that's just a logical argument that is besides the real point. The fact is that Portis didn't start that season anyways. If you remember, Olandis Gary was the opening day starter, and Portis later took over. Anderson wasn't even considered as a starter at HB. None of this makes sense.

Shanahan clearly didn't think MA was a legitimate option at RB. Either Shanahan was just an idiot, or MA's not nearly as great as the hype he's getting right now.
I live in Denver, have been to camp every year since 2000 and have season tickets so yes, I'm well aware of the details, more so than most. You said 02 and 03, in 2003, Portis was in fact a 2,000 yard threat. You dispute that?

With Gary and Portis available at RB, and no stud at FB with Griffith retiring in 2000, Anderson was the best option to move to the FB position given his size, toughness and willingness to move.

Shanahan did and does believe in Anderson and his skills at the HB position, watch opening day for reinforement of this fact.

 
Strangely, in my 10 team redraft, I had the #1 pick. Took Tomlinson. Rest of the draft went like this:

Westbrook

Holt

Martin

R. Williams

Lelie

Larry Johnson

Vick

Chambers

McNair

TB D/ST

Engram

M. Anderson

Shayne Graham

Michael Jenkins.

Performance scoring, PPR.

Finishing up the last 5 rounds as we speak. Too many guys in our league have been duped by Skeletor and refused to bite. I wasn't one of them and the value was just about ridiculous at that point.

 
Droughns, as has been noted, was RB14 in FBG scoring last year. Droughns didn't start until week 4, as well, so that's RB14 despite really only 12 weeks of production.

Like I said, Droughns was 14th in the league despite only playing decent time in 12 games. Add to this the knowledge that Anderson is the week 1 starter, and isn't likely to lose the job based on performance, and you have the makings of, not only a top 10 back, but a top FIVE back.

He's old, but not appreciably older than Martin, Dillon, or Holmes, and he's significantly fresher than those 3.
On point 1,That's very misleading. Droughns ranked ELEVENTH in the NFL in carries, and FOURTEENTH in fantasy points. To imply that he ranked fourteenth despite not much playing time is backwards; he ranked fourteenth because he had so much playing time.
What does that matter? He didn't play until week 4, if he was getting a lot of carries in those games that's certainly not a detriment. Whether he ranked 11th in carries or 90th, getting a lot of carries per game is certainly a part of a player's value.If a player is playing for someone that gives him 30 carries a game, that is certainly factored into his value.

If droughns had fewer games than westbrook but more carries, that doesn't mean you can count their stats as if they had played the same amount, because the amount of carries they get per game is part of their value. You can't say that Priest didn't get his on less time because he actually had more carries.

As an example, Priest had more carries than Westbrook last year (in 8 games vs. 15), but that doesn't mean that since their total carries were near, and their total FF points were near, that they have the same value because the amount of carries each gets is a part of their value.

 
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Droughns, as has been noted, was RB14 in FBG scoring last year. Droughns didn't start until week 4, as well, so that's RB14 despite really only 12 weeks of production.

Like I said, Droughns was 14th in the league despite only playing decent time in 12 games. Add to this the knowledge that Anderson is the week 1 starter, and isn't likely to lose the job based on performance, and you have the makings of, not only a top 10 back, but a top FIVE back.

He's old, but not appreciably older than Martin, Dillon, or Holmes, and he's significantly fresher than those 3.
On point 1,That's very misleading. Droughns ranked ELEVENTH in the NFL in carries, and FOURTEENTH in fantasy points. To imply that he ranked fourteenth despite not much playing time is backwards; he ranked fourteenth because he had so much playing time.
What does that matter? He didn't play until week 4, if he was getting a lot of carries in those games that's certainly not a detriment. Whether he ranked 11th in carries or 90th, getting a lot of carries per game is certainly a part of a player's value.If a player is playing for someone that gives him 30 carries a game, that is certainly factored into his value.

If droughns had fewer games than westbrook but more carries, that doesn't mean you can count their stats as if they had played the same amount, because the amount of carries they get per game is part of their value.

As an example, Priest had more carries than Westbrook last year (in 8 games vs. 15), but that doesn't mean that since their total carries were near, and their total FF points were near, that they have the same value because the amount of carries each gets is a part of their value.
Well you could also go the other way and say the propensity for injury is part of their value too. I'm just playing devils advocate here, I generally agree with you, but that can be argued as well.
 
Droughns, as has been noted, was RB14 in FBG scoring last year. Droughns didn't start until week 4, as well, so that's RB14 despite really only 12 weeks of production.

Like I said, Droughns was 14th in the league despite only playing decent time in 12 games. Add to this the knowledge that Anderson is the week 1 starter, and isn't likely to lose the job based on performance, and you have the makings of, not only a top 10 back, but a top FIVE back.

He's old, but not appreciably older than Martin, Dillon, or Holmes, and he's significantly fresher than those 3.
On point 1,That's very misleading. Droughns ranked ELEVENTH in the NFL in carries, and FOURTEENTH in fantasy points. To imply that he ranked fourteenth despite not much playing time is backwards; he ranked fourteenth because he had so much playing time.
What does that matter? He didn't play until week 4, if he was getting a lot of carries in those games that's certainly not a detriment. Whether he ranked 11th in carries or 90th, getting a lot of carries per game is certainly a part of a player's value.If a player is playing for someone that gives him 30 carries a game, that is certainly factored into his value.

If droughns had fewer games than westbrook but more carries, that doesn't mean you can count their stats as if they had played the same amount, because the amount of carries they get per game is part of their value. You can't say that Priest didn't get his on less time because he actually had more carries.

As an example, Priest had more carries than Westbrook last year (in 8 games vs. 15), but that doesn't mean that since their total carries were near, and their total FF points were near, that they have the same value because the amount of carries each gets is a part of their value.
Isn't it unfair to bump up Droughns for not being a sixteen game starter, but not to do the same for Holmes, Bettis, Fred Taylor, Thomas Jones, etc. If all those guys played sixteen games, maybe Droughns wouldn't have ranked as high as 14.
 
Droughns, as has been noted, was RB14 in FBG scoring last year. Droughns didn't start until week 4, as well, so that's RB14 despite really only 12 weeks of production.

Like I said, Droughns was 14th in the league despite only playing decent time in 12 games. Add to this the knowledge that Anderson is the week 1 starter, and isn't likely to lose the job based on performance, and you have the makings of, not only a top 10 back, but a top FIVE back.

He's old, but not appreciably older than Martin, Dillon, or Holmes, and he's significantly fresher than those 3.
On point 1,That's very misleading. Droughns ranked ELEVENTH in the NFL in carries, and FOURTEENTH in fantasy points. To imply that he ranked fourteenth despite not much playing time is backwards; he ranked fourteenth because he had so much playing time.
What does that matter? He didn't play until week 4, if he was getting a lot of carries in those games that's certainly not a detriment. Whether he ranked 11th in carries or 90th, getting a lot of carries per game is certainly a part of a player's value.If a player is playing for someone that gives him 30 carries a game, that is certainly factored into his value.

If droughns had fewer games than westbrook but more carries, that doesn't mean you can count their stats as if they had played the same amount, because the amount of carries they get per game is part of their value.

As an example, Priest had more carries than Westbrook last year (in 8 games vs. 15), but that doesn't mean that since their total carries were near, and their total FF points were near, that they have the same value because the amount of carries each gets is a part of their value.
Well you could also go the other way and say the propensity for injury is part of their value too. I'm just playing devils advocate here, I generally agree with you, but that can be argued as well.
Obviously but that's not part of the issue at hand here. Droughns didn't miss the first 4 weeks because he was hurt.
 
Droughns, as has been noted, was RB14 in FBG scoring last year. Droughns didn't start until week 4, as well, so that's RB14 despite really only 12 weeks of production.

Like I said, Droughns was 14th in the league despite only playing decent time in 12 games. Add to this the knowledge that Anderson is the week 1 starter, and isn't likely to lose the job based on performance, and you have the makings of, not only a top 10 back, but a top FIVE back.

He's old, but not appreciably older than Martin, Dillon, or Holmes, and he's significantly fresher than those 3.
On point 1,That's very misleading. Droughns ranked ELEVENTH in the NFL in carries, and FOURTEENTH in fantasy points. To imply that he ranked fourteenth despite not much playing time is backwards; he ranked fourteenth because he had so much playing time.
What does that matter? He didn't play until week 4, if he was getting a lot of carries in those games that's certainly not a detriment. Whether he ranked 11th in carries or 90th, getting a lot of carries per game is certainly a part of a player's value.If a player is playing for someone that gives him 30 carries a game, that is certainly factored into his value.

If droughns had fewer games than westbrook but more carries, that doesn't mean you can count their stats as if they had played the same amount, because the amount of carries they get per game is part of their value. You can't say that Priest didn't get his on less time because he actually had more carries.

As an example, Priest had more carries than Westbrook last year (in 8 games vs. 15), but that doesn't mean that since their total carries were near, and their total FF points were near, that they have the same value because the amount of carries each gets is a part of their value.
Isn't it unfair to bump up Droughns for not being a sixteen game starter, but not to do the same for Holmes, Bettis, Fred Taylor, Thomas Jones, etc. If all those guys played sixteen games, maybe Droughns wouldn't have ranked as high as 14.
Who says those guys aren't bumped up for not playing 16 games? Holmes isn't picked top 3 based on his total fantasy points last year, because they certainly weren't top 3.Likewise with JJ, KJ, S. Jackson, etc. JJ is another good example. Carries-wise, he was close to some full-time starters, but a lot of his value is that he put up the numbers he did in only 8 games (because for an entire season they certainly don't add up to a 2nd round pick), as he does get a lot of carries every game. That doesn't mean he doesn't get credit for going 800/7 in only 7 or 8 games just because the carries # was already up there, because in 16 games it would be even higher.

 
We protected Bell in lieu of a 6th round draft pick yesterday, then handcuffed him with Anderson in the 7th.This will be a screaming bargain IF there is no RBBC. I don't care which one is starter, I just want one to be the man.

 
Im not a big fan of MA's, with injuries, age, Bell lurking behind him and isnt he one pee test away from being suspended for a year? Too many question marks. A high risk, high reward pick IMO.

 
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just making sure I caught this one.....so, you're saying that with 150 yards rushing in 3 quarters after getting 93 on one of the carries in a PRESEASON game against one of the ####tier defenses in the league AT HOME IN A PRESEASON GAME = SOD?Please. He will move WAY up in ADP after this game, and maybe, just maybe, if he plays all year he will be worth his draft position. As always, Mike Shanahan will make your fantasy life miserable if you take him.Glll.

 
Ahhhh... where to start.

Anderson did look impressive yesterday but i believe that Dayne would have looked equally impressive and Bell even more impressive.

Denver has played against poor run defenses thus far.

Anderson should and will start the season as the starter but I don't see this lasting.

Tatum Bell is the most explosive back on this team. Anderson will not be able to be this successful against better defenses. Bell has the talent, speed and explosiveness to succeed against the better defenses.

Every year a few RBs look great in preseason. I remember James Stewart looking great in preseason his first year with Detroit.

Stop drinking the Anderson Kool Aid.

Bell will have this job by midseason and have a huge 2nd half.
I agree completely. Our draft was yesterday and I chose to stay away from the Denver RB's. I just don't buy the fact that Mike Anderson will be the starter the whole year. I doubt that he will be able to stay healthy but, even if he does, I see him hitting the wall at some point and Bell taking over. Where was Anderson on the depth chart last year? He wasn't challenging for #1 and looked like crap when he did get in there. Now all of the sudden after turning 32 and coming off of a season ending injury I'm supposed to believe he's the savior? Sorry, I ain't buyin' it. Good luck to everyone drafting today that picks him in the second or third round. :bye:
Actually... Anderson *was* the #1 RB. And if by "looked like crap" you mean "ran for 100 yards against Seattle and finished the preseason averaging 4.8 yards per carry without a single carry longer than 14 yards to inflate his ypc", then I'll agree that he "looked like crap".
No, Anderson was not #1 on the depth chart when he got hurt last preseason. He was #2 behind Griffin.

I don't understand why you continue to perpetuate this myth. I've provided clear documentation of where Anderson stood last year when he got hurt. He was challenging Griffin, but Griffin was the week 1 starter.
And I've provided links from articles on both the Denver Post and the Rocky Mountain News, the two largest media outlets covering the Denver Broncos, that each independently said that Mike Anderson had WON the starting RB job before he got injured. I respect how closely you follow the team, and I appreciate the insight you frequently offer, but in this case, I'm going to have to assume that they'd have far more inside knowledge of the RB battle, and if both organizations independently went out on a limb and made a point of pointing out that Anderson had actually WON the job, then it must have been so.
Shanny, prob. the best coach in the NFL, has him as the #1 RB for a reason...M.A. shows heart and production.
That 3rd rd pick of Clarett doesn't look too smart now does it?
During the 2001 draft, one coach spent seven consecutive picks on players that are no longer with his team (most of whom are no longer even in the sport of football). SEVEN. What horrible judge of talent and personnel could have accomplished such a feat? Bill Bellichick, head coach, New England Patriots.
Anderson at 2.14 is pure craziness IMO. When was the last year that this guy was the starter? I just don't see why, if he is so great, Denver felt compelled to draft Portis and Bell so early? My last memories of Anderson in regular season action are of him filling in either on thrid downs or for an injured Portis and not doing that well. Like I said, I stayed clear of the Denver RB's so I don't really care that much - I just think that people who think MA is going to be the savior are going to be disappointed.
Again, Reuben Droughns finished as RB #14 last season, despite only starting 12 games. Denver's RBs are #2 in the entire NFL in fantasy points per game over the past 5 seasons. And taking a Denver RB at 2.14 (in all likelihood not even among the top 20 RBs selected) is "pure craziness"? I'm not seeing it.P.S. Your memories of Anderson are of him running when he was in Fullback shape- so they certainly aren't representative of how he's running now. Think of your last memories of Tatum Bell running. Now imagine someone running better than that, and that's how Mike Anderson is running.

P.P.S. If Portis was so great, why did Shanahan draft Quentin Griffin in the 4th round? If Terrell Davis was so great, why did Shanny draft Olandis Gary? Check Denver's draft history. They take a runningback every year, without fail.

I liken it to a fantasy draft. Let's say you're drafting #1 overall, and you take LT. You have a plan that you're going to grab a stud WR and a #2 RB on the turn... but when it gets around to you, you can't believe your eyes. Torry Holt and Randy Moss are still there! There's just so much value present, you can't pass it up! I think that's why Shanahan took Bell and Portis.

If MA really is capable of being a 2000 yard rusher, why did Shanahan make him play fullback for those two years? I mean, what's harder to find, 2000 yard rushers or starting quality fullbacks? This doesn't make sense.

So, either you think Shanahan is a total fool who squandered such great talent, or he had good reasons to not be convinced at all that Anderson could be that great. It seems he's only in this position now because Tatum hasn't really lit the world on fire, and every other reliable option has left town.

I couldn't burn a high to mid round pick on this guy. He does have a history of injuries, he's old, he's got a young back behind him, and Shanahan wasn't sold on this guy in the past. Too many concerns for me.
Mike Shanahan has NEVER not been sold on Anderson. He had Anderson switching to Fullback because he had a glut of talented runners, and he wanted his best players on the field. Anderson is such a great blocker, that Mike Shanahan wanted him on the field as much as possible, which he wouldn't be if he was fighting for playing time with Terrell Davis (a former 2000 yard rusher), Olandis Gary (1200 yards in 12 games) and Clinton Portis (a 2nd round draft pick).
On point 1,

That's very misleading. Droughns ranked ELEVENTH in the NFL in carries, and FOURTEENTH in fantasy points. To imply that he ranked fourteenth despite not much playing time is backwards; he ranked fourteenth because he had so much playing time.

On point 2,

I'd much rather have an old back that's had a lot of carries the past few years, than one that has had very few carries the past few seasons. I'm not so certain Anderson will be ready for the physical abuse of 300 carries in a season (he may be ready, but he's certainly a worse bet than someone like Curtis Martin or Corey Dillon, guys that have proven capable of that workload).

Otherwise, I agree that Anderson is a good value.
On point 1- I don't think it's misleading at all. Sure, Droughns was ELEVENTH in the NFL in carries. Think of how many more carries he would have had if he'd started 16 games! Certainly enough to finish higher than 14th overall in fantasy points.On point 2- I've done some research on RBs who have a high workload, and the numbers are really scary. History has NOT been kind to RBs coming off of extremely high-carry seasons. Remember what happened to Ricky Williams in 2003? Well, if someone was paying attention to the numbers, they would have seen it coming from a mile away. I'd much rather have a 32 year old back who is fresh and not worn down than a 32 year old back with a lot of use on him already.

 
just making sure I caught this one.....so, you're saying that with 150 yards rushing in 3 quarters after getting 93 on one of the carries in a PRESEASON game against one of the ####tier defenses in the league AT HOME IN A PRESEASON GAME = SOD?

Please. He will move WAY up in ADP after this game, and maybe, just maybe, if he plays all year he will be worth his draft position. As always, Mike Shanahan will make your fantasy life miserable if you take him.

Glll.
So you're saying that if Anderson plays all year in the FF stud RB maker that is Denver he will be worth his 5th/6th round draft position? So that means you think he'd go for what, 900/6 in 16 games in the FF goldmine of Denver?
 
just making sure I caught this one.....so, you're saying that with 150 yards rushing in 3 quarters after getting 93 on one of the carries in a PRESEASON game against one of the ####tier defenses in the league AT HOME IN A PRESEASON GAME = SOD?

Please. He will move WAY up in ADP after this game, and maybe, just maybe, if he plays all year he will be worth his draft position. As always, Mike Shanahan will make your fantasy life miserable if you take him.

Glll.
So you're saying that if Anderson plays all year in the FF stud RB maker that is Denver he will be worth his 5th/6th round draft position? So that means you think he'd go for what, 900/6 in 16 games in the FF goldmine of Denver?
Again, too, it's not the 150 yards that I'm concerned with. It's the 13 carries to Tatum Bell's 1- and the one carry came on a play where Anderson TOOK HIMSELF OUT to get a breather.In addition, Bell played liberally on punt coverage teams, and Shanahan knows better than to risk his starting RB on special teams in the preseason anymore.

Anderson could have 13 runs for 26 yards and I'd still be ecstatic with what I saw last night.

Also, can someone please tell me how Mike Shanahan will make anyone's life miserable? Please give me ONE example of how Shanahan has made life difficult for Denver RB owners. It's going to be a lot harder than you think, because he just doesn't do it. He's very clear about who is going to start and who is not (although that doesn't do much good if people don't believe him :loco: ). And don't give me splitting time between Bell and Droughns last season as a time when Shanahan made Droughns owners' lives difficult. Droughns was worn out and ineffective. DROUGHNS was making Droughns owners' lives difficult. Shanahan is perhaps the most anti-RBBC coach in the NFL today.

 
Well, Saturday morning my buddy drafted Bell in the third and i waited on Anderson...and waited...and waited and picked him up in the tenth.If he holds onto the starting role for most or all of the season i will have the steal of the draft. If he only starts for a few games i will have taken a flyer on a tenth round pick.It's really a no lose scenario, if you drafted before Saturdays game that is.I have no idea why everyone is so down on Anderson. He has looked "born again hard" and you can't compare his situation to Griffin last year because Mike doesn't have a fumbling problem. If Skeletor holds true to his typical ways then Anderson should be the starter until he is injured or starts putting the ball on the ground twice a game.As for his injury history, every guy out there is one play away from a season ending injury, typically you cannot predict that sort of thing. If injuries are a huge concern we wouldn't draft anyone.

 
On point 1,

That's very misleading. Droughns ranked ELEVENTH in the NFL in carries, and FOURTEENTH in fantasy points. To imply that he ranked fourteenth despite not much playing time is backwards; he ranked fourteenth because he had so much playing time.

On point 2,

I'd much rather have an old back that's had a lot of carries the past few years, than one that has had very few carries the past few seasons. I'm not so certain Anderson will be ready for the physical abuse of 300 carries in a season (he may be ready, but he's certainly a worse bet than someone like Curtis Martin or Corey Dillon, guys that have proven capable of that workload).

Otherwise, I agree that Anderson is a good value.
On point 1- I don't think it's misleading at all. Sure, Droughns was ELEVENTH in the NFL in carries. Think of how many more carries he would have had if he'd started 16 games! Certainly enough to finish higher than 14th overall in fantasy points.On point 2- I've done some research on RBs who have a high workload, and the numbers are really scary. History has NOT been kind to RBs coming off of extremely high-carry seasons. Remember what happened to Ricky Williams in 2003? Well, if someone was paying attention to the numbers, they would have seen it coming from a mile away. I'd much rather have a 32 year old back who is fresh and not worn down than a 32 year old back with a lot of use on him already.
On point 1 - imagine how much higher Holmes, McGahee, Thomas Jones, Fred Taylor, Jerome Bettis, etc. would have had if they started 16 games. You can't just give Mike Anderson additional games.On point 2 - what's the research on 32 year old backs that have 643 rushing yards the past three seasons?

 
On point 1,

That's very misleading. Droughns ranked ELEVENTH in the NFL in carries, and FOURTEENTH in fantasy points. To imply that he ranked fourteenth despite not much playing time is backwards; he ranked fourteenth because he had so much playing time.

On point 2,

I'd much rather have an old back that's had a lot of carries the past few years, than one that has had very few carries the past few seasons. I'm not so certain Anderson will be ready for the physical abuse of 300 carries in a season (he may be ready, but he's certainly a worse bet than someone like Curtis Martin or Corey Dillon, guys that have proven capable of that workload).

Otherwise, I agree that Anderson is a good value.
On point 1- I don't think it's misleading at all. Sure, Droughns was ELEVENTH in the NFL in carries. Think of how many more carries he would have had if he'd started 16 games! Certainly enough to finish higher than 14th overall in fantasy points.On point 2- I've done some research on RBs who have a high workload, and the numbers are really scary. History has NOT been kind to RBs coming off of extremely high-carry seasons. Remember what happened to Ricky Williams in 2003? Well, if someone was paying attention to the numbers, they would have seen it coming from a mile away. I'd much rather have a 32 year old back who is fresh and not worn down than a 32 year old back with a lot of use on him already.
On point 1 - imagine how much higher Holmes, McGahee, Thomas Jones, Fred Taylor, Jerome Bettis, etc. would have had if they started 16 games. You can't just give Mike Anderson additional games.On point 2 - what's the research on 32 year old backs that have 643 rushing yards the past three seasons?
On point 1- Why not? Everyone else does. Why do you think McGahee is going in the first round? Oh, wait, it's because everyone is looking at his numbers and saying "Imagine if he played a full 16 games!" Why is Priest Holmes going in the first round? Because people look at his points per game and say "Man, if he can give me a full 16 games, imagine what would happen!" So why can I do it for Priest Holmes and Willis McGahee, but not Mike Anderson? Denver's leading rusher finished #14 overall in 12 games. Imagine what he'd do in 16!In Anderson's defense, at least he has a more or less full season to his credit, unlike McGahee, who is a consensus first round selection.

On point 2- You give me a list of 32 year old backs coming off of a season ending surgery and 2 years at fullback and I'll crunch the numbers for you. Personally, I don't have the numbers, so we're entering uncharted territory. I agree that it's very risky. However, I *HAVE* crunched the numbers on 32 year old backs with a high career workload, and I *HAVE* crunched the numbers on backs of any age coming off of a ridiculously high workload, and none of those numbers are promising at all. So really, would I rather have a situation with no precedent whatsoever in Mike Anderson, or would I rather have a situation with an overwhelmingly NEGATIVE precedent in Curtis Martin or Corey Dillon? Thank you, I'll take Anderson.

Edit: Besides, Mike Anderson, or any Denver starting RB, has the second highest upside in the entire NFL, behind only the starting Kansas City RB. That certainly has to enter into consideration at some point.

 
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He went in the 4th in both my drafts this weekend. I'm thinking he was a steal there too... (I didnt get him in either, thought he'd drop lower)

 
He went at 8.09 of my 12 team redraft league at noon on Saturday, before the big game. One spot before me. I had Anderson in 2000 and he was money. He has plenty of speed, and more importantly gets tough yards, always moving forward. Only thing stopping him from being a top tier 1 back at this point is I imagine he will come out on 3rd downs. But a 1,300+ 14TD season is NOT out of the question. I will be trying to trade for him this week, and it will cost me.

 

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