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Mike McCarthy will be a flop as Packers HC (1 Viewer)

To me this is the inmates running the assylum. McCarthy needs to get the respect from the younger guys more than the vets, and it seems like he has lost it or never really had it.

I am not feeling very good about this.
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It reminds me a bit of the various Redskin coaches first hired by Dan Snyder. They came in with no credibility with the players, and due to Snyder's initial poor management style the veterans seemed to have more say than the head coach. God how painful that was to watch. A medocre team at best, which underachieved and had no leadership from the coach. I hope GB fans aren't in for the same thing, but it doesn't look good.
 
As a Niners fan, I'm glad we don't have him as our OC anymore. The offense he ran couldn't beat a CFL team.
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Please list the number of pro bowlers, or even any quality starters the 9ers have on offense, including O-Line.
 
If McCarthy does as bad as expected, Packer fans will definitely miss the Sherman era
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Yes and no. A lot of people I know, knew it was time for a change. We also know that comes with a ton of uncertainty. Green Bay needed to go in a different direction to reach that next level. If it takes 5 years so be it. Sherman proved time and time again he was a choke artist in big games.

 
Perhaps I'm in the minority on this one...But I don't think Aaron Rogers has the right to open his mouth like this. Especially when the subject is the behavior of Veteran players. The vets have earned the right to have input in the way things are run, and they certainly deserve a few privledges over the rookies and 2nd year players who haven't proven a damn thing in this league.
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XYou have no problem with the vets running things?

FYI Mike McCarthy is the HC.

 
Perhaps I'm in the minority on this one...But I don't think Aaron Rogers has the right to open his mouth like this.  Especially when the subject is the behavior of Veteran players.  The vets have earned the right to have input in the way things are run, and they certainly deserve a few privledges over the rookies and 2nd year players who haven't proven a damn thing in this league.
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Partially agree.Veterans should have priviledges over rookies and unproven players.

Veterans should not have input into how the team is run. Since it's the coach whose head gets lopped off if they don't win, he should be able to run the team any way he sees fit. :2cents:
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every winning team needs leadership. brett has always been a great leader (until very recently?). no doubt brett raises the level of play of others just by being around but he's not pushing himself enough anymore...and mccarthy (the new guy on the block) isn't demanding it from himso where's the leadership on the packers right now? at least rodgers in willing to put in the extra work and expects others to do the same as well...so that last year doesn't become the norm in green bay
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I love Brett, but as for being a leader? Early in his career he was more of a leader than he's been of the past 5-6 years. I see a lot of a young Brett in Aaron Rodgers as far as young leadership goes.I'm excited to finally see a leader emerge and call out some players.

 
every winning team needs leadership. brett has always been a great leader (until very recently?). no doubt brett raises the level of play of others just by being around but he's not pushing himself enough anymore...and mccarthy (the new guy on the block) isn't demanding it from him

so where's the leadership on the packers right now? at least rodgers in willing to put in the extra work and expects others to do the same as well...so that last year doesn't become the norm in green bay
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I love Brett, but as for being a leader? Early in his career he was more of a leader than he's been of the past 5-6 years. I see a lot of a young Brett in Aaron Rodgers as far as young leadership goes.I'm excited to finally see a leader emerge and call out some players.
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5-6 years is too harsh. imo brett has been a rock on and off the field for the packers until the 4th and 26 overtime loss against the eagles...i really feel that brett had the wind knocked out of his sails a bit by that game. he knew that season was his chance at a 3rd super bowl appearance and possible 2nd ringthe packers started the next season (2004) 1-4 before turning things around to have another winning season, but the lack of offseason preperation and dedication really showed up at the start of the year. 2005 was just a disaster (of course sherman'srole as GM accounted for a gradual loss of talent, etc. over that time)

 
At the risk of repeating myself, the HC needs to be able to holler straight into Brett's face.

When is the time to do this? Probably not yet. You risk losing the team.

But in Game 1, when Brett shows what has become his only-to-common poor decision-makig, well then you holler loud and if the camera pick it up, fine.

That will at least give Brett something to prove. And if we are lucky, some accountability.

 
2) Jagodzinski has never been a coordinator before, and 3) He was fired by Mike Sherman (which is why he landed in ATL in the first place).
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Jags was fired by Sherman because of personality conflicts... if Bill Walsh had fired him, i'd be more worried but Sherman proved himself to be wholly incompetent in matters of personnel. so.... he's got that going for him.(i heard a lot more from a friend of mine who's BIL works for the Pack but... i don't recall ALL the details to i'm not going to start throwing #### around)

 
I don't know about anyone else, but I'm going to give McCarthy and his staff a season or two, or at least one game, before I start denouncing them.
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:good: mother ####ing :posting:jeebus.. i see the Shark Pool is no different than sports radio.

people declared the franchise dead the second McCarthy was hired. give the guy a freaking chance.

can one of the mods who covers the NFL tell us how many other teams have veterans not appearing at the OTA's?

is this ONLY a Packer problem? if so, then, okay... it's a red flag. if other teams are seeing the same kind of participation #'s then take people JUST MIGHT be blowing this out of proportion.

i know it makes sense to over-react towards the negative immediately so that anything which isn't a complete disaster looks good but holy ####. let the guy coach a game first.

 
I thought McCarthy showed tempered restraint and maturity dealing with both Favre and Walker this off season. I think his personnel moves have been good for the most part. In theory I like the first directions we are seeing both offensively and defensively. I do have concern over O-line depth and breadth of skill. I am reserving judgment to give the man a chance. I do, however, take the relative lack of participation thus far as a negative sign.

BTW I do not see the Packers as depleted as many here seem to.

 
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I thought McCarthy showed tempered restraint and maturity dealing with both Favre and Walker this off season. I think his personnel moves have been good for the most part. In theory I like the first directions we are seeing both offensively and defensively. I do have concern over O-line depth and breadth of skill. I am reserving judgment to give the man a chance. I do, however, take the relative lack of participation thus far as a negative sign.

BTW I do not see the Packers as depleted as many here seem to.
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Since when is common sense allowed to be posted?(Well said.)

 
I thought McCarthy showed tempered restraint and maturity dealing with both Favre and Walker this off season.  I think his personnel moves have been good for the most part.  In theory I like the first directions we are seeing both offensively and defensively.  I do have concern over O-line depth and breadth of skill.  I am reserving judgment to give the man a chance.  I do, however, take the relative lack of participation thus far as a negative sign.

BTW I do not see the Packers as depleted as many here seem to.
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Since when is common sense allowed to be posted?(Well said.)
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it's not allowed here in the Shark Pool... DW will be drummed out accordingly.
 
I thought McCarthy showed tempered restraint and maturity dealing with both Favre and Walker this off season.  I think his personnel moves have been good for the most part.  In theory I like the first directions we are seeing both offensively and defensively.  I do have concern over O-line depth and breadth of skill.  I am reserving judgment to give the man a chance.  I do, however, take the relative lack of participation thus far as a negative sign.

BTW I do not see the Packers as depleted as many here seem to.
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Since when is common sense allowed to be posted?(Well said.)
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it's not allowed here in the Shark Pool... DW will be drummed out accordingly.
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Will there be the ceremonial tearing off of epilets and the breaking of my saber?
 
I expect continued improvement from the Packers defense this year, and perhaps that will convince Brett not to chuck up so many ducks. A healthy Ahman Green and a decent line up front will also help.

I just can't figure out what McCarthy did to warrant getting a head coaching job. He wasn't the only head scratching hire this offseason (far from it), but he was one of the biggest from my perspective.

 
I thought McCarthy showed tempered restraint and maturity dealing with both Favre and Walker this off season.  I think his personnel moves have been good for the most part.  In theory I like the first directions we are seeing both offensively and defensively.  I do have concern over O-line depth and breadth of skill.  I am reserving judgment to give the man a chance.  I do, however, take the relative lack of participation thus far as a negative sign.

BTW I do not see the Packers as depleted as many here seem to.
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Since when is common sense allowed to be posted?(Well said.)
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it's not allowed here in the Shark Pool... DW will be drummed out accordingly.
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Will there be the ceremonial tearing off of epilets and the breaking of my saber?
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pretty sure it's gonna be a lot worse than that.might want to check with Rudnicki for the specifics.

 
Will there be the ceremonial tearing off of epilets and the breaking of my saber?
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FYI Ditkaless Wonders,That only applies to people like me, who are actual Officers.

You'll loose your Corporal's stripes and get busted back to Pvt., but that's about it for you. ;)

 
Sherman was an awful GM. Look at the defensive talent (or lack thereof) that he drafted and you'll understand why he was stripped of his GM job.

As a Coach, his fatal flaw was coddling Favre. Anyone who watched GB in the last of the Sherman years saw a Favre that was a loose cannon. It was Sherman's job to reign him in, and he didn't do it. I won't say he is a bad coach - given the right opportunity, perhaps with a younger team, he could do well.

As for McCarthy, well, we just haven't seen enough. He's implementing a lot of changes - and a few haven't stuck. Does anyone think it's a good idea to ask Favre to change is cadence at this point in his career? These aren't the things to worry about. The big question is once the games start to count, can McCarthy reign in Favre? Won't know for sure until September.

 
Hey Brett stop livin in the past man. Maybe a change is just what you and your team needs.

if the pack wanted things to stay the way they were, why did they get rid of Sherman?

 
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Does anyone think it's a good idea to ask Favre to change is cadence at this point in his career? These aren't the things to worry about. The big question is once the games start to count, can McCarthy reign in Favre? Won't know for sure until September.
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Hey Brett stop livin in the past man. Maybe a change is just what you and your team needs.

if the pack wanted things to stay the way they were, why did they get rid of Sherman?
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the pack needed a change. it's still very, very early...but so far it doesn't look good
 
can one of the mods who covers the NFL tell us how many other teams have veterans not appearing at the OTA's?

is this ONLY a Packer problem? if so, then, okay... it's a red flag. if other teams are seeing the same kind of participation #'s then take people JUST MIGHT be blowing this out of proportion.

i know it makes sense to over-react towards the negative immediately so that anything which isn't a complete disaster looks good but holy ####. let the guy coach a game first.
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The concerns in this thread really haven't revolved around vets missing camp. The concern is that the vets seem to be more in charge than the HC, which essentialy means no one is really in charge. If it was my team, I think I'd be upset about this news. This is the same criticism that Mooch received the last couple years in Detroit. How did that situation turn out?*Edit to correctly spell Detroit

 
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It's a wonder Coach McCarthy hasn't been fired already. After all, it's obvious from his two dozen or so practices that he is a terrible coach.

:sarcasm:

As any other Packer news this time of year this is being blown way out of proportion.

 
This was an interesting read. One thing not even discussed that I found funny about leadership, is that Rodgers can come out in public and chirp about player participation levels but cant get it done of the field. From everything I have read, he has basically sucked. Players give 100% when Brett is in the huddle compared to me. Does that not say alot about leadership right there. The Packers players believe in one and not the other. And I agree that a vet should have some input. They work together and need to be on same page. The HC has to give some leeway to vets at this point in time. Not the biggest McCarthy supporter and did not liek the hire but way too early to be saying anything to bad for these camps. I do have concern about the amount of players missing time on the D but Brett is there. Do you really expect him to have to be there all the time. He is there most of it and Rodgers does not his grooming also.

I still like the Packers chances to win this division. Lions and Vikings suck and the Bears D is great but there O can be taken advantage of. Going to be a fight. I agree with the too early to pass judgement also in this thread

 
Very funny.

How many people blasted GB for that hiring?

And how many of them applauded the hiring of Childress in Minny or Payton in NO?

How many people talked about McCarthy's offense in San Fran?

It was bad.

People can search all they want for me saying anything like that...the only thing they will find is me defending him for what he did in New Orleans and GB and KC before that. That what happened in SF was what would have happened to any coach in that position.

 
Yup...color me wrong on this one too. I definitely thought it was a sketchy hire when he got the job; so hats off to the Cheeseheads and mea culpa to those who are looking for some crow eating.

 
I didn't like the hire and I'm very happy to admit I was wrong. McCarthy has turned out to be a pretty damn good NFL head coach.

 
Never posted in here but Ill admit I thought it was a bad hire too.

Pretty shocked (and annoyed as hell as a Bear fan) at how its turned out.

 
Too many people looked at the season with the Niners instead of his body of work when he was hired. I was pulling for Sean Payton at the time, but things have really worked out.

 
Aaronstory said:
I thought McCarthy showed tempered restraint and maturity dealing with both Favre and Walker this off season. I think his personnel moves have been good for the most part. In theory I like the first directions we are seeing both offensively and defensively. I do have concern over O-line depth and breadth of skill. I am reserving judgment to give the man a chance. I do, however, take the relative lack of participation thus far as a negative sign.

BTW I do not see the Packers as depleted as many here seem to.
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Since when is common sense allowed to be posted?(Well said.)
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Damn we're good.
 
It only goes to show that you need to wait and see what they will do before blasting them. I was iffy on McCarthy too. But after Mike Sherman, I was ready for anyone with the guts to stand up to Favre and not treat him like a prima-donna. I reserved my judgement and like what he has done for the most part. I say that because I still think you need to run the ball on 3rd and 2 more than you throw it. The Pack almost always throw it and Defenses know that now. Run the ROCK man!

Having said all the above, we cannot criticize those willing and able to make a judgement call. I don't think you need to eat crow, just be happy you were wrong and move on. Keep the opinions coming in!

 
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Heard an interview with Aaron Rodgers today which really showed how McCarthy is already losing some players and training camp hasn't even opened yet.Rodgers was asked how the OTA's were going and he said some of the newer guys are getting it, but the veterans such as Favre are getting McCarthy to change things that he installed in previous mini-camps such as McCarthy installed a new huddle formation, and a new cadence. Favre came in, didn't like it so McCarth changed it back. In the interview it seems like Rodgers is losing respect for McCarthy already. I was VERY impressed with Rodgers coming out and calling out some of the teammates who don't give it their all when Favre isn't practicing.He said the veterans take those days as a day off, and don't give it 100%.I also heard last week an interview with Donald Driver. Driver basically said the vets don't like the new system and he and Favre know the old system so they revert back to their old hand signals at the line and do things the way they know how. He cam off as extremely arrogant. I have never heard that from him before.To me this is the inmates running the assylum. McCarthy needs to get the respect from the younger guys more than the vets, and it seems like he has lost it or never really had it.I am not feeling very good about this.McCarthy = Tice? :goodposting:
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:lmao: :wall:Wow, what an effin idiot. :thumbup: :goodposting:
 
This is yet another classic case of jumping to conclusions based on first impressions. Another example is everyone assuming Obama had the democratic nomination wrapped up after Iowa.

 
Pai Mei said:
This is yet another classic case of jumping to conclusions based on first impressions. Another example is everyone assuming Obama had the democratic nomination wrapped up after Iowa.
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Don't get me started. Obama still has it wrapped up. Hillary was expected to at least finish 2nd if not win NH. Now we'll see what happens in the other states. Obama will crush her me thinks.
 
scott72 said:
Pai Mei said:
This is yet another classic case of jumping to conclusions based on first impressions. Another example is everyone assuming Obama had the democratic nomination wrapped up after Iowa.
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Don't get me started. Obama still has it wrapped up. Hillary was expected to at least finish 2nd if not win NH. Now we'll see what happens in the other states. Obama will crush her me thinks.
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Way to :thumbup: Back on topic, there were many questions surrounding the hiring, but obviously it has turned out quite well. Which seems to be the case with a lot of what Ted Thompson has done. There were many Packer fans here and elsewhere that lambasted each and every move Thompson did (or didn't do), but he has stuck to his plan and it has worked out marvelously. And because of his approach, mainly add through the draft, they aren't hamstrung by bad contracts.We'll see if that continues, but obviously the future (and present) looks bright in Green Bay.
 
its been one good year folks

Mike has been fine, but lets give it a few years (after farve) and then come back and tell me how good he is.

 
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