sho nuff
Footballguy
People that realize sometimes people can be wrong when stating an opinion?Who hires these guys on staff?Not to mention a couple AFC championship games for the Jets.
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Mike McCarthy will be a flop as Packers HC (1 Viewer)
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Monkeyface Prickleback
Footballguy
Jason Wood
Zoo York
I love how people live for digging up old threads solely to make others look bad.
THAT SAID, I had to laugh when I saw this thread because it actually was the impetus for my completely rethinking the very nature of punditry and message board analysis. I remember taking a stand against McCarthy and Payton, and obviously couldn't have been more off base. And that served as a realization that...WE DON'T KNOW. We don't. We can slice and dice things like a coaching hire 27 ways and make our opinions known and eloquently stated. But they are just opinions.
The GMs and execs and owners who make these decisions whiff, and they put a LOT more time and due diligence into the process.
But, let's be honest. It would be a boring world if we all just said, "Let's wait and see." Even when that's the right answer 90% of the time, without opinions strongly held, we wouldn't have much to talk about.
THAT SAID, I had to laugh when I saw this thread because it actually was the impetus for my completely rethinking the very nature of punditry and message board analysis. I remember taking a stand against McCarthy and Payton, and obviously couldn't have been more off base. And that served as a realization that...WE DON'T KNOW. We don't. We can slice and dice things like a coaching hire 27 ways and make our opinions known and eloquently stated. But they are just opinions.
The GMs and execs and owners who make these decisions whiff, and they put a LOT more time and due diligence into the process.
But, let's be honest. It would be a boring world if we all just said, "Let's wait and see." Even when that's the right answer 90% of the time, without opinions strongly held, we wouldn't have much to talk about.
cr8f
Footballguy
If Mr Pack wasn't so forceful with his predictions maybe they wouldn't dig these up. Opinions are just guesses, intelligent guesses but guesses just the same.
But another was Dom Capers. Greg Williams and Nolan both passed over Green Bay and now Capers may look like the best candidate_if he can fix last years woes. Neal kept getting hurt and he's another 2nd rounder that didn't do much.
Blame Ted.
But another was Dom Capers. Greg Williams and Nolan both passed over Green Bay and now Capers may look like the best candidate_if he can fix last years woes. Neal kept getting hurt and he's another 2nd rounder that didn't do much.
Blame Ted.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
This is spot on and the main reason I've dialed back my preseason process so much. I check the boards here and there and do have some favorites but for the most part we just don't know what is going to happen. I realize this goes against the very nature of this website and all that but we simply don't have an accurate way to predict what is going to happen. It isn't baseball where there is a pitcher and a hitter. There are 22 guys on the field and all make an impact in one way or another. And the sample size of a season is so small that you can't even smooth the curve much because one huge game skews an entire season. Fred Jackson and Steve Smith were huge players last season. Really? Really. A washed up guy and a never-was were the top players at their positions halfway through the season? Yup.
smackdaddies
Footballguy
You got Oakland right. Of course, that is a pretty low bar...
Kleck
Footballguy
Nice
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
how do you feel about mccarthy now?Heard an interview with Aaron Rodgers today which really showed how McCarthy is already losing some players and training camp hasn't even opened yet.
Rodgers was asked how the OTA's were going and he said some of the newer guys are getting it, but the veterans such as Favre are getting McCarthy to change things that he installed in previous mini-camps such as McCarthy installed a new huddle formation, and a new cadence. Favre came in, didn't like it so McCarth changed it back. In the interview it seems like Rodgers is losing respect for McCarthy already. I was VERY impressed with Rodgers coming out and calling out some of the teammates who don't give it their all when Favre isn't practicing.
He said the veterans take those days as a day off, and don't give it 100%.
I also heard last week an interview with Donald Driver. Driver basically said the vets don't like the new system and he and Favre know the old system so they revert back to their old hand signals at the line and do things the way they know how. He cam off as extremely arrogant. I have never heard that from him before.
To me this is the inmates running the assylum. McCarthy needs to get the respect from the younger guys more than the vets, and it seems like he has lost it or never really had it.
I am not feeling very good about this.
McCarthy = Tice?
Dark Matter
Footballguy
Nice bump. Signed to an extension after the worst coached game he's had as HC of the Pack against the Saints. Packers handle their business like other teams wish they did. Congrats Coach McCarthy....run the table!
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Would've bet my house that RN bumped this.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Twice is enough.
This guy's gotta go.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
He was a flop today, I'll tell you that. Shameful game management, start to finish.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
You know what happens when you coach to not lose.....
The Kerminator
Footballguy
I wouldn't say that. Looked like a pretty good game plan until the 4th quarter. Then they went in to a shell.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
He was a TE fielding an easy bounce away from getting his team to the Super Bowl for the 2nd time in five years. Yeah, let's fire him.
The Kerminator
Footballguy
Hindsight is 20/20 isn't it?
Did he let the onside kick bounce off his helmet? Did he misplay the ball on the 2-point conversion?
Ted Lange as your Bartender
Footballguy
He lost an NFC championship game despite getting 5 takeaways. The fact that it even got to an onside kick situation is 100% on him.
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Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
The Kerminator
Footballguy
Doesn't he get credit for the 5 turnovers? Or I suppose the players do.
MaxThreshold
Footballguy
The Kerminator
Footballguy
Still not sure how McCarthy should be blamed or fired. Nobody gave the Packers a chance to win. They took the game into overtime and if it wasn't for Bostick letting the onside kick clang off his helmet or Clinton-Dix totally not making a play on the ball they win the game.MaxThreshold said:
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MaxThreshold
Footballguy
Point is they were up 16-0 at halftime. Instead of going for the jugular they went into a shell and played conservative.
No excuse for getting 5 turnovers and still losing the game. No excuse. I even think that is one of the 7 Deadly Sins, isn't it?
The Kerminator
Footballguy
Fans scream either way. Why aren't they running the ball more? Why aren't they passing the ball more? Only beef I had was the rushing only 3 on the 3rd and 19. Otherwise I thought it was a well-called game. In what figured to be a low scoring game you take the points. Maybe blame the offensive line or Kuhn or Lacy for not converting the short yardage at the goal.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
I really don't mean to pile on and I'll let it go after this, but "nobody gave the Packers a chance to win" goes out the window when you're up 16-0.
Maelstrom
Footballguy
2006 43 Green Bay Packers NFL 16 8 8 0 .500 2 4 2 2007 44 Green Bay Packers NFL 16 13 3 0 .813 2 1 1 .500 1 11 5 2008 45 Green Bay Packers NFL 16 6 10 0 .375 3 7 4 2009 46 Green Bay Packers NFL 16 11 5 0 .688 1 0 1 .000 2 14 5 2010 47 Green Bay Packers NFL 16 10 6 0 .625 4 4 0 1.000 2 8 4 Super Bowl Champions2011 48 Green Bay Packers NFL 16 15 1 0 .938 1 0 1 .000 1 11 6 2012 49 Green Bay Packers NFL 16 11 5 0 .688 2 1 1 .500 1 9 6 2013 50 Green Bay Packers NFL 16 8 7 1 .533 1 0 1 .000 1 5 2 2014 51 Green Bay Packers NFL 16 12 4 0 .750 2 1 0 1.000 1 4 0 Yah, he's horrible. He should be fired (as a Vikings fan, I endorse this idea).
i should clarify this. he was fine for mccarthy. i mean, obv a good coach makes a ton of different decisions. but this was far from his worst game. guy is just a really terrible coach. its a complete travesty that his career is bailed out by goat rodgers.
he made a ton of horrible decisions today. he does that every week. fg from the 2. fg from the 1. fg on 4th and 1 from the 23. timeout with 19s left. going for the kick block that resulted in the first td.
every week its the same thing with mccarthy. he makes numerous errors and gets bailed out by rodgers.
every week its the same thing with mccarthy. he makes numerous errors and gets bailed out by rodgers.
omally
Footballguy
I'm pretty sure he is talking about prior to the game the majority consensus was the Packers had no chance to win, and he is right. I do think McCarthy made a big mistake in the 4th quarter by trying to burn out the clock instead of score points. That mindset came back and bit them on the ###.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/18/mike-mccarthy-im-not-questioning-my-play-calling/
the guys is just a joke. really dont see how anyone can defend him.
MaxThreshold
Footballguy
+++
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
With ~4:00 left, the GB defender went to the ground after picking off Wilson. I was in the other room ... did he have a chance to take it the distance?
(This is not on McCarthy one way or the other -- just wondering).
(This is not on McCarthy one way or the other -- just wondering).
The Kerminator
Footballguy
Do we get rid of Aaron Rodgers as well? He's 5-5 in playoff games. He had a QB rating of 55 today. That's unacceptable.
The Kerminator
Footballguy
Don't think he had a chance to take it to the house but there were definitely more yards there to be gained. Possibly putting them closer for another FG.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Where did I write that you should get rid of McCarthy? I just think he coached very poorly today. If you disagree, so be it.
The Kerminator
Footballguy
Maybe not you but there are certainly a lot of Packer fans calling for his head which is stupid. I think he coached very well today. Good enough to put them in position to win the game. Rodgers played poorly. Bostick screws up the onside. HaHa misplays the 2-point conversion.
Ted Lange as your Bartender
Footballguy
Not the distance but he certainly had space to go 15-20 yards, and maybe they can put themselves in position to squeeze out another FG.
Thing was, there were still 5 minutes left at that point, Seattle had all 3 timeouts and the GB defense was acting like they had clinched the win there for some reason. Echoing a bloom tweet, the defense seemed to mentally check out after that play. Certainly didn't stop Seattle after that.
MaxThreshold
Footballguy
and the DEF had an epic collapse - again.
That's all on the HC and DEF coordinator. From going into a conservative shell (that's McCarthy) to rushing 3 guys on 3 and 19 (that's capers). The DEF absolutely melted down so at the very least Capers has to go.
McCarthy - i'm on the fence. He's still a pretty good coach but how many more epic collapses in the playoffs should we tolerate before we realize he just ain't going to get us there again?
As far as Bostick - I'm a little more calm from before. He's a young man who made a boneheaded mistake and he'll have to deal with that adversity. Seems a bit rough to let him go when so many other factors came into play.
The Kerminator
Footballguy
So Bostick gets a pass for not blocking out the defender like he is supposed to and letting Nelson catch the ball the way he is coached but McCarthy is on the fence? At some point, players need to make plays.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
KingPrawn said:
MaxThreshold
Footballguy
Bostick definitely ####ed up BIG TIME on that. No other way to say it. Maybe he does have to go.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
Great gameplan today again by McCarthy. Players earned this loss almost 100% for me. Criticicizing the coaching is great hindsight, but the fact is the Packer coaches did a great job today.
