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Ghost Rider
Footballguy
My thought process is they probably wanted Sherman out last offseason, but were afraid Favre would retire if they did. However, after seeing Favre's regress badly this season, they might figure he is going to retire anyway, so they might as well go ahead and fire Sherman and if Favre retires, then they can start rebuilding with a new head coach.
KingPrawn
Footballguy
Dude, do you mean Favre or Sherman to the Jets?Sherman certainly wouldn't be a gain for the Jets. Maybe for the rest of the AFC East.
And if, as stated, Favre were to leave the Packers because of Sherman's firing and he would be reluctant to learn a new system, would Favre go to the Jets?
Da Good Da Bad an Da Ugly
Footballguy
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
no - Sherman hired BatesBates will reportedly be interviewed and is on a preliminary short list with Kirk Ferentz, Brad Childress and Tim Lewis. Obviously, I have never met any of these guys and have no idea what kind of coaches they will be, but would be surprised if any of them ever turns out to be as good a head coach as Sherman. Miami declined to retain Bates as HC, for whatever reason, when it had the chance last year.
I think Thompson was in a difficult position (his own fault) and probably made the best move here. He can't really bring back Sherman with just one year left under these circumstances, so his options were to fire him or extend him again.
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packersfan
Footballguy
Based on everything I've heard that move was strongly influenced by Thompson.
No idea about Ferentz other than he's everybody's favorite college coach of the moment. Lewis is intriguing but I'm not sure how he and Bates would mesh and keeping Bates is essential in my opinion. I see no reason to believe Childress will be any worse than Sherman and it's highly possible he'll prove to be better. He's had a very good teacher to learn from the past few seasons.
Thompson's first mistake was extending Sherman's contract. So what if he would've been a lame duck coach? Make him earn the extension. As far as firing Sherman, it was more than justified. As I've said many times it should've really happened last season but the strong finish prevented that from happening. But it's time to move in another direction; whether Thompson makes the right call with the next head coach remains to be seen.
Man in the yellow hat
Footballguy
They should be distraught, because the gravy train is gone. Now hopefully they don't bring in another candy ### coach who is a "player's coach." Funny how those guys never end up in the big game. Sherman did an admirable job in Green Bay, especially this season, but he, and his team, have ALWAYS lacked the killer instinct and swagger needed to take it to the next level. It was/is obvious to those who watched this team closely.
Man in the yellow hat
Footballguy
Oh, and this is why I love Jim Bates......
http://www.jsonline.com/packer/news/jan06/382194.asp
"Coach Bates will fit in good. If he comes in I think he’ll do a good job because he’s got that fire in him. He’s just a great guy. When he was interim coach in Miami he was always running around and bumping chests with the players. You don’t see that, besides (former Chiefs head coach) **** Vermeil hugging and crying with his players."
- Packers nose tackle Grady Jackson, on the possiblity of defensive coordinator Jim Bates becoming the Packers' next head coach
"Of course, I work with Jim and I think he deserves it, but it’s not my call. That’s Ted Thompson’s call. I think Ted Thompson is going to do a very good job of finding a good coach for the Green Bay Packers. I trust that Ted Thompson is going to do what’s best for the Green Bay Packers. Whatever decision he makes I’ll support it. However, it may hurt. I mean, I’m hurt by the decision that he made, but I know he’s doing what’s best for Green Bay."
- Packers defensive end Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila, on Bates
http://www.jsonline.com/packer/news/jan06/382194.asp
"Coach Bates will fit in good. If he comes in I think he’ll do a good job because he’s got that fire in him. He’s just a great guy. When he was interim coach in Miami he was always running around and bumping chests with the players. You don’t see that, besides (former Chiefs head coach) **** Vermeil hugging and crying with his players."
- Packers nose tackle Grady Jackson, on the possiblity of defensive coordinator Jim Bates becoming the Packers' next head coach
"Of course, I work with Jim and I think he deserves it, but it’s not my call. That’s Ted Thompson’s call. I think Ted Thompson is going to do a very good job of finding a good coach for the Green Bay Packers. I trust that Ted Thompson is going to do what’s best for the Green Bay Packers. Whatever decision he makes I’ll support it. However, it may hurt. I mean, I’m hurt by the decision that he made, but I know he’s doing what’s best for Green Bay."
- Packers defensive end Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila, on Bates
Packerfan. I am not upset with the firing of Sherman as you have made a ton of great points, but if this move loses Brett. I still think the Packers with getting back healthy, the high draft pick and some cap room could have been this years Bucs, Bears. Without Brett, this team is a sitting duck and due for quite the rebuild. No way Walker resigns as no one wants to play for a team with no hope. FA chances will be less also. The key is Brett and if he comes back than it was a good firing. If he retires and says that with or without Sherman he was going, than it was a good fire. But if he solely retires based on Sherman, than it was a bad firing and they could have lived one more year with Favre and Sherman and worried about it next year. There are always hot coaching candidates out there every year.
I've been saying this since the day he was hired. My reasoning at the time was that Sherman was a lmae duck coach, and they had trouble getting any coaches to come to GB. When they hired such a high profile guy like Bates, something told me he was promised first shot at the HC job once Sherman was canned.
Man in the yellow hat
Footballguy
Oh, and Journal Sentinel man Bob McGinn had this to say about ol Mike Sherman.....scary.....From McGinn today:"Unfortunately for Sherman, team president Bob Harlan allowed Ron Wolf to select his successor as general manager when Sherman had no qualifications.... Sherman was eminently unqualified to run a personnel department, but the man did give it his all. In September 2002, Sports Illustrated ranked Sherman No. 2 among the NFL's 32 head coaches and the power that they wielded. A year or so later, Sherman stopped to consider the football empire he had humming under his detailed direction in posh new surroundings and told me he and his people could be running Ford Motor Co.His self-confidence grew to such an extent that he wanted to make every decision himself. That's when some of his closest advisors began to feel they weren't even necessary. That's why the team's second-level scouts were shut out of the draft room in the week before the 2004 draft. And it was a significant reason why Ray Sherman and Johnny Roland, two capable career NFL assistants, bolted Green Bay a year ago to make lateral moves into losing situations."
These are my thoughts as well, that there is some ego clashing going on here. That said, I'm not too sure this is that bad of a decision. The one thing that really came to light over these past few years was Sherman's inability to coach a solid game when it meant something. Time and time again he made poor game decisions and went into a shell when having a lead, trying to "not" lose the game. He really showed a lack of courage, or maybe it was a lack of confidence in his team in certain circumstances when it came to "gut-check" time.
Damn effinHow good of a coach punts the ball from the 41 yard line on 4th & inches with and 1800 yard rusher who is gouging the oppenent for over 5 yards a clip, and an offensive line that was considered the best in the league?
I'll tell you what kind. The same kind the gets down to the goalline in a playoff game and goes for it on 4th and 1 with the same team instead of kicking the easy 3. And then instead of just running right at the defensive line that has been owned all game, decides to run a trap play and allows the defense to penetrate untouched.
Also, the same type of coach who, in this same game, calls off a blitz on a 4th and 26 play and doesn't use a timeout when the entire game is on the line to make sure that his team is all on the same page. This after the DC called a blitz. Then of course he blames the DC on the play after the game and quickly supplants him with a yes-man type in Bob Slowik.
:X :(
And 10+ wins got us exactly what in the playoffs? A 2-4 record in the playoffs.The NFC North hasn't exactly been the toughest Div. these past 5 years, and Sherman has hsown time and time again that he chokes in the playoffs and is not a good game coach.
J
The bottom line is Sherman inherited the talent. He did not win double digit wins in the season, his players did that he inherited. He has done little to nothing to improve this team. The draft has been suspect. He was way over his head when he took the position.Holmgren wanted the whole package in Green Bay when he won the Super Bowl. He was not given the keys to the safe and left. Rhodes followed Holmgren and did a good job IMO. He was fired, racist move if you ask me, and the kingdom was handed to Sherman. What were his qualifications that made him a better pick than Holgren? NONE WHATSOEVER! 
I am one packer fan glad to see him gone. And, I was one Packer fan who screemed at the beginning of the season when he got a contract extension.Sherman couldn't coach his way off the sofa. 
Good ridiance. 
I am one packer fan glad to see him gone. And, I was one Packer fan who screemed at the beginning of the season when he got a contract extension.Sherman couldn't coach his way off the sofa. Good ridiance.
packersfan
Footballguy
I've been trying to point out that there was A LOT more going on here with the decision to fire Sherman than just a bad season in 2005. McGinn's comments above echo the points I've been making. And it's yet another reason why you have to look beyond Wins and Losses when deciding whether Mike Sherman was the right man for this job going forward. Wins and Losses simply don't paint the entire or accurate picture.
Aaronstory
Footballguy
You people who want Mooch as HC and/or OC are insane.Did you WATCH his offenses in DET and SF?He was a good position coach. Nothing more.
packersfan
Footballguy
I don't want Mooch anywhere near the Packers. I like him quite a bit but the stench of the Lions' affair is still too potent.
Softball 3:16
Footballguy
Sylvester Croom
No offense packersfan, but I'd be interested to know what those things you've heard are.I've seen 3 seperate occasions where Thompson said he had absolutely nothing to do with Jim Bates coming to town.
And quite honestly, if Bates doesn't get a HC job and Sherman somehow manages to... it wouldn't shock me if Bates ended up DC there as well. From the reports today, seems like Bates and Sherman had a great coaching relationship.
Kleck.
Footballguy
Not speaking for packersfan, but during the time of the hire I do remember hearing Jim Caston of the BullPen, Madison's ESPN Radio 1070, interview who I believe was Mike Hart of the Journal Sentinel, and they were basically talking about Thompson's influence on getting Bates. I have never seen it written and have no links so I could be remebering something wrong, but this was the first time I remember feeling somewhat excited about Thompson being hired.Either way, Bates did a great job with what he had to work with and IMO is really one of the very few bright spots on the whole season. If Thompson or the new HC would let Bates go, I'd be disapointed. The last thing this Packers defense needs is another new system to learn. It's already been three in three years.
You do bring up an interesting point though faede on if Sherman does land a HC job if he would try to bring Bates along with him if Bates is not given the HC job.
The Alchemist
Footballguy
More news on Packer interviews...
Thompson to interview Bears' Rivera
By TOM SILVERSTEIN
www.jsonline.com/packer/news/jan06/382536.asp
Posted: Jan. 3, 2006
Green Bay - Green Bay Packers general manager Ted Thompson's search for the right man to replace fired coach Mike Sherman continues down a path toward a young, up-and-coming assistant coach.
Thompson's focus remains mostly on the offensive side of the football, but one candidate who could compel him to move in another direction is Chicago Bears defensive coordinator Ron Rivera.
The Packers received permission Thursday from the Bears to interview Rivera for their vacant head coaching position and he is expected to meet with Thompson for a formal interview this week, according to a National Football League source. Rivera also has been targeted by the St. Louis Rams and is scheduled to interview Thursday in St. Louis.
Any team interested in Rivera has until Friday to interview him, then must wait until after the Bears are eliminated from the playoffs before it can speak to him again. He cannot be hired until the Bears' season is over.
Rivera fits the mold of an outgoing, emotional leader whom Thompson is thought to be seeking for his team, and sources said he would probably install a West Coast-style offense if he were to land a head coaching job. Though Bears coach Lovie Smith is a former defensive coordinator and is running his style of defense, Rivera has been credited with helping develop the Bears' young players and creating an aggressive attitude on the field.
The Bears finished the season ranked No. 2 overall in total defense after leading the league almost the entire season, but they maintained their No. 1 ranking in fewest points allowed. Before being hired by Smith, Rivera, a Bears linebacker from 1984-'92, coached linebackers in Philadelphia (1999-2003) under well-known coordinator Jim Johnson and is familiar both with Smith's Cover 2 scheme and Johnson's blitz attack.
Rivera has strong ties to Philadelphia and might be able to attract an assistant coach there such as Pat Shurmur, the nephew of former Packers defensive coordinator Fritz Shurmur, to be his offensive coordinator. However, Thompson seems interested in putting together a high-level offensive staff and it's questionable whether Rivera can do that.
Whether Rivera, 43, is interested in coming to Green Bay is another thing. The Rams also have a strong interest and Smith was defensive coordinator in St. Louis before being hired by the Bears, so he might steer Rivera there, especially since he wouldn't have to play against him twice a year in the NFC North.
If Rivera were hired, it's questionable whether Packers defensive coordinator Jim Bates would be retained. Bates remains a candidate for the Packers' vacancy.
Thompson doesn't seem dead-set on any specific replacement yet, according to league sources, and is in the process of lining up a number of candidates for interviews, many of them top offensive assistant coaches around the NFL. So far, there has been little indication that he is interested in pursuing a college head coach, although it is still early in the process.
According to an NFL source, Thompson will interview Philadelphia Eagles offensive coordinator Brad Childress today, presumably at the Packers' facility. Childress was in Minneapolis on Tuesday to interview for the Minnesota Vikings' head coaching position and appears to be a strong candidate there.
It doesn't appear Thompson will make a snap decision on any candidate and probably will go through a round of interviews with candidates before choosing his new coach. Since firing Sherman on Monday, he has been making arrangements to interview assistant coaches around the league, some of whom work for playoff teams.
Cleveland offensive coordinator Maurice Carthon, whose team is not in the playoffs, received a call from the Packers and was in the process of arranging an interview with the team this week. Carthon said Tuesday afternoon that he was excited about the chance to interview for the position.
"In this business, you're always interested when someone might offer you a job," Carthon said. "The chance to be a head coach at a place with all that history and the things they've done, I'd love that opportunity. I've followed them for a lot of years."
Carthon, 44, is a longtime member of coach Bill Parcells' staffs with New England, the New York Jets and Dallas. But he left the Cowboys last year to become offensive coordinator in Cleveland.
The Browns struggled on offense this season, finishing 26th overall, but they are in a rebuilding situation and lack talent on that side of the ball.
League sources also said the Packers had Pittsburgh assistant coaches Ken Whisenhunt and Russ Grimm on their radar and were expected to interview them next week. According to league rules, neither Whisenhunt nor Grimm is eligible to be interviewed until after the Steelers play their wild-card game Sunday at Cincinnati.
If the Steelers win, it's likely the club wouldn't allow either coach to conduct interviews until late next week because they would be busy preparing for their next game.
Whisenhunt, a tight end in the NFL from 1985-'93, has been with the Steelers since 2001 and has been their offensive coordinator for two seasons. The Steelers ranked tied for 15th in offense this year and 16th last year, but they are 26-6 in those two seasons and Whisenhunt has been successful making quarterback Ben Roethlisberger an instant success.
Other teams who are thought to be interested in Whisenhunt, 43, are St. Louis and Houston.
Meanwhile, Grimm, 46, has been the Steelers' offensive line coach since 2001, and is widely considered one of the best line coaches in the business. The former Washington Redskins guard interviewed for Chicago's head coaching job two years ago and is thought to be a candidate in Detroit and Houston this year.
Thompson also received permission from the Dallas Cowboys to interview assistant head coach / passing game coordinator Sean Payton, according to the Dallas Morning News. Payton joined Parcells' staff in 2003 after four seasons with the New York Giants in which he was offensive coordinator and the play caller for most of that time.
Payton, 42, also spent two years in Philadelphia as quarterback's coach.
Thompson is also expected to interview New York Giants defensive coordinator Tim Lewis, a former Packers first-round pick, sometime next week.
Also on the radar is San Diego offensive coordinator Cam Cameron, but so far it doesn't appear the Packers are showing interest in Denver offensive coordinator Gary Kubiak or former Detroit coach Steve Mariucci.
The Packers have not sought permission to interview Baltimore offensive coordinator Jim Fassel.
Thompson to interview Bears' Rivera
By TOM SILVERSTEIN
www.jsonline.com/packer/news/jan06/382536.asp
Posted: Jan. 3, 2006
Green Bay - Green Bay Packers general manager Ted Thompson's search for the right man to replace fired coach Mike Sherman continues down a path toward a young, up-and-coming assistant coach.
Thompson's focus remains mostly on the offensive side of the football, but one candidate who could compel him to move in another direction is Chicago Bears defensive coordinator Ron Rivera.
The Packers received permission Thursday from the Bears to interview Rivera for their vacant head coaching position and he is expected to meet with Thompson for a formal interview this week, according to a National Football League source. Rivera also has been targeted by the St. Louis Rams and is scheduled to interview Thursday in St. Louis.
Any team interested in Rivera has until Friday to interview him, then must wait until after the Bears are eliminated from the playoffs before it can speak to him again. He cannot be hired until the Bears' season is over.
Rivera fits the mold of an outgoing, emotional leader whom Thompson is thought to be seeking for his team, and sources said he would probably install a West Coast-style offense if he were to land a head coaching job. Though Bears coach Lovie Smith is a former defensive coordinator and is running his style of defense, Rivera has been credited with helping develop the Bears' young players and creating an aggressive attitude on the field.
The Bears finished the season ranked No. 2 overall in total defense after leading the league almost the entire season, but they maintained their No. 1 ranking in fewest points allowed. Before being hired by Smith, Rivera, a Bears linebacker from 1984-'92, coached linebackers in Philadelphia (1999-2003) under well-known coordinator Jim Johnson and is familiar both with Smith's Cover 2 scheme and Johnson's blitz attack.
Rivera has strong ties to Philadelphia and might be able to attract an assistant coach there such as Pat Shurmur, the nephew of former Packers defensive coordinator Fritz Shurmur, to be his offensive coordinator. However, Thompson seems interested in putting together a high-level offensive staff and it's questionable whether Rivera can do that.
Whether Rivera, 43, is interested in coming to Green Bay is another thing. The Rams also have a strong interest and Smith was defensive coordinator in St. Louis before being hired by the Bears, so he might steer Rivera there, especially since he wouldn't have to play against him twice a year in the NFC North.
If Rivera were hired, it's questionable whether Packers defensive coordinator Jim Bates would be retained. Bates remains a candidate for the Packers' vacancy.
Thompson doesn't seem dead-set on any specific replacement yet, according to league sources, and is in the process of lining up a number of candidates for interviews, many of them top offensive assistant coaches around the NFL. So far, there has been little indication that he is interested in pursuing a college head coach, although it is still early in the process.
According to an NFL source, Thompson will interview Philadelphia Eagles offensive coordinator Brad Childress today, presumably at the Packers' facility. Childress was in Minneapolis on Tuesday to interview for the Minnesota Vikings' head coaching position and appears to be a strong candidate there.
It doesn't appear Thompson will make a snap decision on any candidate and probably will go through a round of interviews with candidates before choosing his new coach. Since firing Sherman on Monday, he has been making arrangements to interview assistant coaches around the league, some of whom work for playoff teams.
Cleveland offensive coordinator Maurice Carthon, whose team is not in the playoffs, received a call from the Packers and was in the process of arranging an interview with the team this week. Carthon said Tuesday afternoon that he was excited about the chance to interview for the position.
"In this business, you're always interested when someone might offer you a job," Carthon said. "The chance to be a head coach at a place with all that history and the things they've done, I'd love that opportunity. I've followed them for a lot of years."
Carthon, 44, is a longtime member of coach Bill Parcells' staffs with New England, the New York Jets and Dallas. But he left the Cowboys last year to become offensive coordinator in Cleveland.
The Browns struggled on offense this season, finishing 26th overall, but they are in a rebuilding situation and lack talent on that side of the ball.
League sources also said the Packers had Pittsburgh assistant coaches Ken Whisenhunt and Russ Grimm on their radar and were expected to interview them next week. According to league rules, neither Whisenhunt nor Grimm is eligible to be interviewed until after the Steelers play their wild-card game Sunday at Cincinnati.
If the Steelers win, it's likely the club wouldn't allow either coach to conduct interviews until late next week because they would be busy preparing for their next game.
Whisenhunt, a tight end in the NFL from 1985-'93, has been with the Steelers since 2001 and has been their offensive coordinator for two seasons. The Steelers ranked tied for 15th in offense this year and 16th last year, but they are 26-6 in those two seasons and Whisenhunt has been successful making quarterback Ben Roethlisberger an instant success.
Other teams who are thought to be interested in Whisenhunt, 43, are St. Louis and Houston.
Meanwhile, Grimm, 46, has been the Steelers' offensive line coach since 2001, and is widely considered one of the best line coaches in the business. The former Washington Redskins guard interviewed for Chicago's head coaching job two years ago and is thought to be a candidate in Detroit and Houston this year.
Thompson also received permission from the Dallas Cowboys to interview assistant head coach / passing game coordinator Sean Payton, according to the Dallas Morning News. Payton joined Parcells' staff in 2003 after four seasons with the New York Giants in which he was offensive coordinator and the play caller for most of that time.
Payton, 42, also spent two years in Philadelphia as quarterback's coach.
Thompson is also expected to interview New York Giants defensive coordinator Tim Lewis, a former Packers first-round pick, sometime next week.
Also on the radar is San Diego offensive coordinator Cam Cameron, but so far it doesn't appear the Packers are showing interest in Denver offensive coordinator Gary Kubiak or former Detroit coach Steve Mariucci.
The Packers have not sought permission to interview Baltimore offensive coordinator Jim Fassel.
packersfan
Footballguy
Just that Thompson played a pivotal role in Bates' hiring. Can't say who my sources are but they're close to the team. So far, here's the list of people the Packers have asked to interview or have already interviewed:
Brad Childress
Jim Fassell (this has been reported in some areas but denied in others so who knows?)
Sean Payton
Maurice Carthon
Wade Phillips
Ron Rivera
Ken Wisenhunt
Russ Grimm
Titus Pullo
Footballguy
Funny how some forget how bad Sherman was and how no Packers fans seemed to care when he got fired.
OU#1
Footballguy
Almost as funny as a guppy bumping an almost four year old thread to make a point.
Chunky Soup
Footballguy
Almost as bad as the grammar in your sig?
Zoomanji
Footballguy
And its weird because he joined more than a year after the last post...
Maroney=Sped
Footballguy
ZOMG UR SO IMPRESSIVE!!!!!!!!!111
Titus Pullo
Footballguy
Search function is up and running.
Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
This is a pretty funny post.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
The user joined or the alias was created?
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Again.
Seems a little harsh. Was he really to blame for things or should the front office take some blame for not providing him with an offensive line? If they can improve the line next year, it'll be an interesting team. But now there are two question marks: offensive line and offensive coordinator. Tannehill made some nice steps this year with Sherman.
ChuckLiddell
Footballguy
He ran an incredibly vanilla offense that did not seem to properly utilize the talent of the personnel. Tannehill has wheels and throws well on the run, yet he was rarely used on designed roll outs, which seems like an easy call when you have no OL and are getting sacked 5 times per game.
Lamar Miller wont make anyone forget Eric Dickerson, but he flashed some big play potential when given some space. Yet, Sherman could not seem to find a way to take advantage of his skillset by getting him the ball in space. When the OL sucks, and you have a dynamic RB with breakaway speed, run a screen or 2, right? Keep the DL on its toes, and maybe generate some big plays. Mind boggling that he didnt call more of these type of plays, but insisted upon feeding Daniel Thomas roughly 50% of the runs and RB snaps. Argument could be that Thomas was a better pass blocker. Maybe he was...but he was awful in that regard as well, so if anything he was the lesser of 2 evils in that regard, but Miller offered high upside as a weapon that Thomas did not.
In short, it seems to me (admittedly a casual viewer) that The Fins had some weapons and that a creative OC could have taken advantage of that to muster something resembling an offense. Sherman was not able to do that. Didnt seem like he could adjust to what the defenses were doing either. And then finally, putting up 7 total points in the final 2 games when all we had to do was win one of them to get into the post season sealed his fate. Someone had to take the fall, and I believe the right person did.
Lamar Miller wont make anyone forget Eric Dickerson, but he flashed some big play potential when given some space. Yet, Sherman could not seem to find a way to take advantage of his skillset by getting him the ball in space. When the OL sucks, and you have a dynamic RB with breakaway speed, run a screen or 2, right? Keep the DL on its toes, and maybe generate some big plays. Mind boggling that he didnt call more of these type of plays, but insisted upon feeding Daniel Thomas roughly 50% of the runs and RB snaps. Argument could be that Thomas was a better pass blocker. Maybe he was...but he was awful in that regard as well, so if anything he was the lesser of 2 evils in that regard, but Miller offered high upside as a weapon that Thomas did not.
In short, it seems to me (admittedly a casual viewer) that The Fins had some weapons and that a creative OC could have taken advantage of that to muster something resembling an offense. Sherman was not able to do that. Didnt seem like he could adjust to what the defenses were doing either. And then finally, putting up 7 total points in the final 2 games when all we had to do was win one of them to get into the post season sealed his fate. Someone had to take the fall, and I believe the right person did.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Sherman was Tannehill's OC now for quite some time, right? Should be interesting to see if he can adapt to a change.
Todem
Footballguy
Tannehill was growing highly frustrated with Sherman......according to our local beat writers.
It was pretty obvious to me........it was clearly not working. Those last two games said everything about what kind of season we had. Tannehill needs better coaching to have a shot at taking his game to the next level. He must develop his deep ball and even more importantly how to keep plays alive with his feet. Watching Aarron Rodgers.....incredible. He feels the pressure, understand how to slide up or to the side (all the great ones do Manning, Brady, Brees, Luck) in the pocket and move when it is needed. He has that kind of upside. I really believe that. he just needs a high level coach to bring it out of him. Bring in a new OC, OL and QB coach. This is just the begining of a huge house cleaning within Philbins staff. If they don't improve by at least 2-3 games next season.....bye bye Joe and Jeff. And Tannehill.....next year IMO is make or break for him. A huge and critical year 3.
It was pretty obvious to me........it was clearly not working. Those last two games said everything about what kind of season we had. Tannehill needs better coaching to have a shot at taking his game to the next level. He must develop his deep ball and even more importantly how to keep plays alive with his feet. Watching Aarron Rodgers.....incredible. He feels the pressure, understand how to slide up or to the side (all the great ones do Manning, Brady, Brees, Luck) in the pocket and move when it is needed. He has that kind of upside. I really believe that. he just needs a high level coach to bring it out of him. Bring in a new OC, OL and QB coach. This is just the begining of a huge house cleaning within Philbins staff. If they don't improve by at least 2-3 games next season.....bye bye Joe and Jeff. And Tannehill.....next year IMO is make or break for him. A huge and critical year 3.
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Don Quixote
Footballguy
Yeah, it's 20/20 and we've all had our share of bad predictions, but still funny to read in retrospect.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Tannehill is great, it's not make or break, I think he has a long terrific starting career no matter what.
Miami just seems like a team with no center. What are they about? Are they defense oriented? Are they a running team? A passing team? Sherman had those flakes on the offensive line, they get rid of Long and another starter I believe (?). Next thing you know, someone throws some meat loaf and the whole o-line is down three starters from the beginning of the year. Whoops, go win some games, Sherm.
It just seems like he was charged with developing Tannehill and he was doing that. Biggest problem was no run game and yet Tannehill wasn't generating passing TDs, and yet towards the later part of the year he definitely was.
Then the Buffalo game happened. Shut out on the road with the playoffs on the line. But is that really the OC's fault? They had terrible o-line talent and they ended up facing one of the best pass rushes in the league last game of the year.
Something's just "off" there, and I think it begins with management.
Now Miami has to get a good OC to come in for maybe just one year? Good luck with that. Maybe should have just started with a whole new regime.
And Sherman - he's got to land somewhere, college or pro.
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Sweet Love
IBL Representative
Todem
Footballguy
You and I see different things. Sherman game plans on offense were atrocious. No direction, no identity, no committment to anything. Just scattter brained. And the OL actually improved after Martina and Incognito left.
Tannehill is great? I like the kid. I like him a lot. I want him to be the franchise QB we have been waiting for since Dan retired. But don't sit there and tell me he is great.
1) He could not hit any deep balls all season long. He missed at least 7-8 easy long TD's mostly to Wallace, one to Hartline and one to freaking Marlon Moore. I watched every snap of every game this past season. His deep ball accuracy is 32nd in the league....I can almost assure you of that. That is not franchise QB material in a vertical league with a vertical 60MM WR.
2) His pocket awareness stunk this season. yes he was under pressure...constantly. But I would say 33% of the sacks were directly his fault and lack of pocket awarness and quality pocket footwork which all great franchise QB's have.
So yes....Sherman was saddled with developing Tannehill. He failed to deliever on several fronts. Playcalling/gameplanning/adjustments were horrific. And Tannehill regressed at times.
No run game? How about wathcing Lamar Miller gashing the Saints the entire first half....yet they completely went away from it in the second half. All they had to do was stick with it....and run run run on a team that could not stop them that evening on the ground. Instead to drop tannehill back on the first play from scrimmage in the second half....INT....TD for the Saints...rout begins.
How about Lamar Miller gashing the Patriots the entire first half enroute to a 21-3 halftime lead and they run 7 more running play the entire second half en route to blowing that game. They made no commitment to Lamar Miller despite every single time he touched the ball 15 plus....he was productive and close to breaking huge plays. They never stuck with it...they ran from shotgun gimmic formations too much....it was amatur hour all season with his playcalling. I could not believe how inept it got.
Next season is a big big year for Tannehill. Trust me.....it is. I still believe in the kid. I think is a calm, bright (mentally tough too) and highly athletic football player. I think with a high quality HC and QB coach this kid will blossom.
Getting Sherman outta here was vital to helping him grow. If you can't see that and think Sherman was fine and Tanny was great....and the only issue was the OL.....your not seeing things that I clearly saw in the 2013 Miami Dolphins week after week after week.
I also still contend we need a new HC as well. Philbin is not the answer at all. Out of his league and in over his head. That is what I saw all season.
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