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TheAristocrat
Footballguy
With all of the surveillance in this world, it is astonishing to me that planes full of cell phones can disappear from the skies.
Verizon is still working on putting cell towers in many parts of the Ocean. So far they all have sunk.
Jules Winnfield
Footballguy
I think you're wet behind the ears
Henry Ford
Footballguy
Anyone else see Fox News attempt to blame this on the metric system?
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
Henry Ford
Footballguy
Just google Fox News metric system. The video is in the link fatness posted. It's insane.
Plus foreign pilots don't have enough of a "cowboy" attitude.
Never change, Fox News, you adorable little rascals.
MattFancy
Footballguy
George Jefferson Airplane
Footballguy
Henry Ford
Footballguy
I've often wondered why we never moved to the metric system. Now we know the culprits.
The metric system is the devil's plaything, gentlemen.
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
This is what happens when someone whose job is to sit there and look pretty is allowed to speak.
NCCommish
Footballguy
Actually American resistance to the metric system goes back to the 18th century and that with Thomas Jefferson as one of it's main supporters. Jefferson thought we would be on the metric system within a matter of years but it wasn't to be. The metric system was politically charged at it's inception as a universal measure. Conservatives saw it as part of the French Revolution and they didn't care for that. Later on silly nationalistic stubbornness and sheer cost killed it. Now in the digital age it really doesn't matter much as the conversions are so easy to make when neccesary.I've often wondered why we never moved to the metric system. Now we know the culprits.
The metric system is the devil's plaything, gentlemen.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
You could have just said I was right.Actually American resistance to the metric system goes back to the 18th century and that with Thomas Jefferson as one of it's main supporters. Jefferson thought we would be on the metric system within a matter of years but it wasn't to be. The metric system was politically charged at it's inception as a universal measure. Conservatives saw it as part of the French Revolution and they didn't care for that. Later on silly nationalistic stubbornness and sheer cost killed it. Now in the digital age it really doesn't matter much as the conversions are so easy to make when neccesary.I've often wondered why we never moved to the metric system. Now we know the culprits.
The metric system is the devil's plaything, gentlemen.
NCCommish
Footballguy
I suppose I could have but I thought we should give some credit to those who went before the bubble headed bleached blondes on the TV.You could have just said I was right.Actually American resistance to the metric system goes back to the 18th century and that with Thomas Jefferson as one of it's main supporters. Jefferson thought we would be on the metric system within a matter of years but it wasn't to be. The metric system was politically charged at it's inception as a universal measure. Conservatives saw it as part of the French Revolution and they didn't care for that. Later on silly nationalistic stubbornness and sheer cost killed it. Now in the digital age it really doesn't matter much as the conversions are so easy to make when neccesary.I've often wondered why we never moved to the metric system. Now we know the culprits.
The metric system is the devil's plaything, gentlemen.
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
Sorry, but the poll is in prog:e:ss...
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
I KNEW there was something sinister about the 2 liter bottle.I've often wondered why we never moved to the metric system. Now we know the culprits. The metric system is the devil's plaything, gentlemen.
CurlyNight
Footballguy
Hey CNN is showing The Mystery of Malasian 370 tonight @ 6 pm PT, if you need to refresh your memory about the status of that plane... 
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
I recorded it 
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
:breakingnews:
Apple Jack
Footballguy
"BREAKING NEWS: No new news"
CurlyNight
Footballguy
Maybe it'll be worth something in oh say about 100 years. This is the air version of the titanic of sorts.I recorded it
Mario Kart
Footballguy
The metric system hurt NASA one time. Maybe it is the metric system that is the root of all evil crashes.
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
just saw this in my news feed: http://zeenews.india.com/news/sci-tech/nasas-hubble-spots-distant-galaxy-60-million-light-years-away-from-earth_1522323.html
So tell me why dont we have a satellite that can see the ocean floor perfectly?
So tell me why dont we have a satellite that can see the ocean floor perfectly?
Fat Nick
Footballguy
Well, in case there was any doubt...They're officially dead.
Waiting for the CNN "BREAKING NEWS - MH370 PASSENGERS DEAD" headline...
Waiting for the CNN "BREAKING NEWS - MH370 PASSENGERS DEAD" headline...
George Jefferson Airplane
Footballguy
Why do I have a feeling they are going to end up finding wreckage on an episode of whale wars?
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
You mean they didn't take TX Buckeye's advice and grab some snacks and bottled water on their way out the door?
kentric
Footballguy
Quez
Footballguy
Interesting theory about a possible Russian hijack. Maybe they were after the 20 important engineers working for Freescale Semiconductors that were on the flight. I read Freescale wouldn't comment whether or not the employees were working on defense technology, so they may have been.
There was a partial conspiracy theory regarding the Freescale employees & royalties for a patent filed right after the crash. This was proved to be bs because the names listed on the patent were not on the plane. However, if the 20 Freescale passengers were some super defense tech geniuses, then they would definitely be valuable.
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/02/jeff-wise-mh370-theory.html
There was a partial conspiracy theory regarding the Freescale employees & royalties for a patent filed right after the crash. This was proved to be bs because the names listed on the patent were not on the plane. However, if the 20 Freescale passengers were some super defense tech geniuses, then they would definitely be valuable.
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/02/jeff-wise-mh370-theory.html
John Bender
Footballguy
Absolutely fascinating and well put together theory.
A bit too loose with the small 3 sentences re: motive however.
I can't come up with a motive for Russia to do this. Russia has their own airliners, military and passenger planes they could use for whatever devious plot the writer thinks possible.
Hijacking a plane because they needed information from a passenger on it? I would think it would be a lot easier to just hijack a person as opposed to going through all of this to hijack a plane.
I know Putin may be crazy, but the motives to pull something like this off don't seem to outweigh any reward for capturing a commercial airliner from Malaysia, successfully allow it to avoid detection on it's location and flying it over 3-4 countries undetected by "sticking to the borders".
Das Boot
Footballguy
Theories but no debris: A year on, where is MH370?
By Ben Brumfield, Michael Martinez and Steve Almasy, CNN
Updated 4:35 PM ET, Sat March 7, 2015
(CNN)"Good night Malaysian three-seven-zero." It was a routine sign-off, an all-is-well.
On March 8, 2014, at 1:19 a.m., someone spoke those last words from Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 to air traffic controllers before the Boeing 777 vanished.
A year later, searchers have no new clues as to where it went with 239 people on board.
Radar and satellite reports have provided hints, but searchers still have nothing to hold in their hands. No wreckage seen floating at sea or beached on shore. No fuselage resting on the sea floor.
Experts say the data indicate the flight path from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, to Beijing unexpectedly veered, putting the commercial jet over the southern Indian Ocean.
But the water's vast and intricate depths have revealed no secrets. And as clarity has eluded grasp, analysts have made many speculations about what happened.
The most controversial idea: Is the maritime search area all wrong? Did the plane land clandestinely on solid ground?
Here are some expert theories about what happened to MH370.
The pilot suicide theory
Who radioed those last words to air traffic control? Capt. Zaharie Ahmad Shah? First officer Fariq Abdul Hamid?
The pilots were supposed to check in with new air traffic controllers in Vietnam, but never did. One theory is that one pilot may have incapacitated the other, then guided the plane to its end, taking the passengers down with him in a dramatic suicide.
Mark Weiss, a retired American Airlines captain, has flown a Boeing 777. He believes there may have been a struggle. "It was one of the pilots that maybe had a meltdown or did something nefarious to the airplane," he said.
But Malaysia Airlines Chief Executive Ahmad Jauhari Yahya has vehemently defended his employees, particularly the pilot. "We do not suspect any one of our crew until there's such evidence. ... Captain Zaharie is a very capable man," he said. "We have no reason to suspect (him)."
The cockpit guest theory
Weiss also thinks there could have been another person -- a crew member or someone else -- in the cockpit who "was bent on perhaps committing suicide or doing some destruction on the aircraft."
Copilot Hamid, 27, reportedly once invited a woman and her friend into the cockpit on a 2011 flight between Thailand and Malaysia.
"That's an enormous breach of security," Weiss said.
The commandeering and hijacking theory
The difference between hijacking and commandeering is nuanced. The former term is often used when the hijacker issues a demand such as being taken to a safe-haven country or receiving ransom to release passengers.
When people commandeer a plane, they might keep the motives secret, said political analyst Peter Bergen.
They may want to steer it themselves at a target, like the September 11, 2001, terrorists did.
In 1994, a FedEx employee burst into the cockpit of FedEx Flight 705 with a hammer and spear gun. He wanted to crash the plane into the company's Memphis, Tennessee, headquarters. The crew thwarted that takeover.
"Commandeering would fit with the few facts that we do know, and (it's) certainly a theory that we haven't heard a lot of that isn't a conspiracy," Bergen said.
Experts are divided on this theory, partly because no terrorists have claimed responsibility at a moment when they would have the world's attention -- unless potential terrorists were waiting for something.
The Kazakhstan theory
MH370 went to Kazakhstan. Outlandish conjecture or genius insight?
The theory that Russian actors on board MH370 found a way to get the plane through the border territory of China, Pakistan and India to a Kazakh landing strip leased to Russia comes from science journalist and private pilot Jeff Wise.
Fleets of ships and search aircraft are looking in the wrong direction, he says. The airliner went north, not south. Investigators may have misinterpreted a key component of the Inmarsat satellite data.
"This is not a normal investigation. They need to throw out the book," Wise has said.
Another aviation analyst, David Soucie, also casts doubt on the most widely held belief that the plane hit the Indian Ocean.
"If it had crashed in the way that we think it did, which is to run out of fuel and hit the water and break up into pieces, there would be pieces somewhere," he said.
But Michael Exner, an engineer with decades of experience in the mobile satellite communications industry, says the data "accurately and unambiguously" shows MH370 went down near the so-called 7th arc, a path along which the search has been focused.
"The current ATSB search strategy remains the best search strategy," he said.
The mechanical failure theory
In a less sinister but equally lethal explanation, some experts theorize the plane mysteriously crashed somewhere because of mechanical malfunction.
Perhaps the electronics died, or a fire broke out, preventing the pilots from communicating. Maybe they turned to look for a landing strip but couldn't steer the plane properly.
Pilots have trouble embracing the thought.
"I've been running that in my brain now ever since this thing happened," said Jim Tilmon, an aviation expert and retired American Airlines pilot.
"One possibility would be a total electrical failure which is very, very hard to imagine because (the plane) has so many generators coming from different places," Tilmon said. If they fail, there are other backups.
He says he's never heard of anything like it happening before.
Anniversary report
For months after MH370 disappeared, Malaysian officials reported details of the search to next of kin and the public. Something would be spotted, hopes rose, and then it didn't pan out. Hopes were dashed; anguish returned.
Sunday, a year to the day after the plane disappeared, Malaysia Airlines plans to release a statement. There has been no indication the airline will offer new evidence or hope.
By Ben Brumfield, Michael Martinez and Steve Almasy, CNN
Updated 4:35 PM ET, Sat March 7, 2015
(CNN)"Good night Malaysian three-seven-zero." It was a routine sign-off, an all-is-well.
On March 8, 2014, at 1:19 a.m., someone spoke those last words from Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 to air traffic controllers before the Boeing 777 vanished.
A year later, searchers have no new clues as to where it went with 239 people on board.
Radar and satellite reports have provided hints, but searchers still have nothing to hold in their hands. No wreckage seen floating at sea or beached on shore. No fuselage resting on the sea floor.
Experts say the data indicate the flight path from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, to Beijing unexpectedly veered, putting the commercial jet over the southern Indian Ocean.
But the water's vast and intricate depths have revealed no secrets. And as clarity has eluded grasp, analysts have made many speculations about what happened.
The most controversial idea: Is the maritime search area all wrong? Did the plane land clandestinely on solid ground?
Here are some expert theories about what happened to MH370.
The pilot suicide theory
Who radioed those last words to air traffic control? Capt. Zaharie Ahmad Shah? First officer Fariq Abdul Hamid?
The pilots were supposed to check in with new air traffic controllers in Vietnam, but never did. One theory is that one pilot may have incapacitated the other, then guided the plane to its end, taking the passengers down with him in a dramatic suicide.
Mark Weiss, a retired American Airlines captain, has flown a Boeing 777. He believes there may have been a struggle. "It was one of the pilots that maybe had a meltdown or did something nefarious to the airplane," he said.
But Malaysia Airlines Chief Executive Ahmad Jauhari Yahya has vehemently defended his employees, particularly the pilot. "We do not suspect any one of our crew until there's such evidence. ... Captain Zaharie is a very capable man," he said. "We have no reason to suspect (him)."
The cockpit guest theory
Weiss also thinks there could have been another person -- a crew member or someone else -- in the cockpit who "was bent on perhaps committing suicide or doing some destruction on the aircraft."
Copilot Hamid, 27, reportedly once invited a woman and her friend into the cockpit on a 2011 flight between Thailand and Malaysia.
"That's an enormous breach of security," Weiss said.
The commandeering and hijacking theory
The difference between hijacking and commandeering is nuanced. The former term is often used when the hijacker issues a demand such as being taken to a safe-haven country or receiving ransom to release passengers.
When people commandeer a plane, they might keep the motives secret, said political analyst Peter Bergen.
They may want to steer it themselves at a target, like the September 11, 2001, terrorists did.
In 1994, a FedEx employee burst into the cockpit of FedEx Flight 705 with a hammer and spear gun. He wanted to crash the plane into the company's Memphis, Tennessee, headquarters. The crew thwarted that takeover.
"Commandeering would fit with the few facts that we do know, and (it's) certainly a theory that we haven't heard a lot of that isn't a conspiracy," Bergen said.
Experts are divided on this theory, partly because no terrorists have claimed responsibility at a moment when they would have the world's attention -- unless potential terrorists were waiting for something.
The Kazakhstan theory
MH370 went to Kazakhstan. Outlandish conjecture or genius insight?
The theory that Russian actors on board MH370 found a way to get the plane through the border territory of China, Pakistan and India to a Kazakh landing strip leased to Russia comes from science journalist and private pilot Jeff Wise.
Fleets of ships and search aircraft are looking in the wrong direction, he says. The airliner went north, not south. Investigators may have misinterpreted a key component of the Inmarsat satellite data.
"This is not a normal investigation. They need to throw out the book," Wise has said.
Another aviation analyst, David Soucie, also casts doubt on the most widely held belief that the plane hit the Indian Ocean.
"If it had crashed in the way that we think it did, which is to run out of fuel and hit the water and break up into pieces, there would be pieces somewhere," he said.
But Michael Exner, an engineer with decades of experience in the mobile satellite communications industry, says the data "accurately and unambiguously" shows MH370 went down near the so-called 7th arc, a path along which the search has been focused.
"The current ATSB search strategy remains the best search strategy," he said.
The mechanical failure theory
In a less sinister but equally lethal explanation, some experts theorize the plane mysteriously crashed somewhere because of mechanical malfunction.
Perhaps the electronics died, or a fire broke out, preventing the pilots from communicating. Maybe they turned to look for a landing strip but couldn't steer the plane properly.
Pilots have trouble embracing the thought.
"I've been running that in my brain now ever since this thing happened," said Jim Tilmon, an aviation expert and retired American Airlines pilot.
"One possibility would be a total electrical failure which is very, very hard to imagine because (the plane) has so many generators coming from different places," Tilmon said. If they fail, there are other backups.
He says he's never heard of anything like it happening before.
Anniversary report
For months after MH370 disappeared, Malaysian officials reported details of the search to next of kin and the public. Something would be spotted, hopes rose, and then it didn't pan out. Hopes were dashed; anguish returned.
Sunday, a year to the day after the plane disappeared, Malaysia Airlines plans to release a statement. There has been no indication the airline will offer new evidence or hope.
msommer
Footballguy
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31978578
MH17 disaster: Missile fragment 'found at crash site'
Dutch broadcaster RTL says it has new evidence that the Malaysia Airlines plane shot down over Ukraine last July was hit by a surface-to-air missile.
Forensic analysis of a metal fragment found at the crash site of flight MH17 by a journalist indicated it was from the warhead of a Russian-made Buk.
This would support the theory the plane was downed by pro-Russian rebels, over whose territory the plane was flying.
All 298 people on board the flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur were killed.
A preliminary report published in September by the Dutch Safety Board, which is investigating the crash, said the plane broke up after being penetrated by "high-velocity objects".
On Thursday, RTL reported that a metal fragment was recovered by Dutch journalist Jeroen Akkermans several months ago from the crash site, near the village of Hrabove in eastern Ukraine.
The broadcaster said it had the shrapnel tested by international forensic and weapons experts, who concluded that it had come from the warhead of a 9M317 Buk missile.
Nicholas de Larrinaga of IHS Jane's told RTL: "From the hour-glass form we can gather all the characteristics of an impact of a 9N314 warhead fragment. This fits perfectly."
The Ukrainian government and the West have accused the Russian authorities of supplying the separatists with Buk missile launchers.
The claim is supported by witness statements, as well as photographs and videos. However, it has been denied by Moscow, which has suggested that Ukrainian forces were responsible for the crash.
The Dutch prosecutor leading the criminal case said earlier this month that a Buk missile may have hit the airliner, although it was "too early to rule out other possibilities".
In reaction to RTL's report, the Dutch Safety Board noted that the link to flight MH17 had to be demonstrated for each piece of evidence, in part because it crashed in a conflict zone.
"The investigation into the cause of the accident is ongoing and is focusing on many more sources than just the pieces of shrapnel," a statement on its website said.
"Additional material for investigation is welcome for this, but it is important that it be irrefutably demonstrated that there is a relationship between any material and the aeroplane that crashed."
The results of the Dutch Safety Board investigation are due to be released in October.
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fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/may/06/mh370-search-for-missing-flight-to-change-as-winter-conditions-set-in
Even if found, there is a good chance the plane won't be able to be recovered.
Even if found, there is a good chance the plane won't be able to be recovered.
Righetti
Footballguy
finding it seems unlikely since they keep looking in a spot where it isn't (the ocean) and not in a spot where it is (Uzbekistan)
TheIronSheik
SUPER ELITE UPPER TIER
George Jefferson Airplane
Footballguy
Are they looking in Kazakhstan?
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
lod01
Footballguy
https://www.yahoo.com/travel/mathematician-may-have-just-solved-the-mystery-of-121124580772.html
Dr. Chen suggests that the plane’s body and wings sank rapidly — explaining the lack of an oil slick on the surface.
“But forensics strongly supports that MH370 plunged into the ocean in a nosedive.”
Probably read my theory on FBG.
George Jefferson Airplane
Footballguy
They found a piece of a wing near Madagascar apparently.
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Nathan R. Jessep
Footballguy
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/malaysia/11771229/MH370-wreckage-found-on-Reunion-matches-Malaysia-Airlines-flight.html
Piece of wreckage found drifting ashore on Reunion
Piece of wreckage found drifting ashore on Reunion
