NajehHejan
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Breaking: files were recently deleted from pilot's flight simulator, investigators are trying to recover.
It was the pilot. I'm sure of it.
It was the pilot. I'm sure of it.
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ClownCausedChaos2
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El Floppo
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The Goat
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Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Just read that the Muslim pilot deleted all the files from his flight simulator the day before the flight.
Fat Nick
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I'm starting to get tired of this whole thing, mostly because of the horrible information and misinformation. I've never been one to tout main-stream media, but this story is on a whole new level. I literally can't wade through the facts and opinions to even figure out what conclusion to make anymore.
The plane turned once...no, the plane turned several times and headed north.
The pilot radioed before the turn...no, after the turn
The plane flew low to avoid radar...no, flew very very high
The course was programmed prior to departure...no, after departure
It wasn't picked up by radar...unless you count all the countries that said they picked it up but didn't tell anyone because they weren't asked.
Seriously. With that much contradictory information, you can make any hypothesis you want. The often-posted Wired article makes perfect sense in one set of assumptions...but if you assume the plane flew low, it suddenly DOESN'T make sense as pilots typically consider altitude to be safety...even if it was an oxygen related issue, flying below 10,000 feet doesn't make sense.
Is there anywhere with a fact list that shows what's been previously reported but subsequently DISproven? That's what I'm lacking I guess.
The plane turned once...no, the plane turned several times and headed north.
The pilot radioed before the turn...no, after the turn
The plane flew low to avoid radar...no, flew very very high
The course was programmed prior to departure...no, after departure
It wasn't picked up by radar...unless you count all the countries that said they picked it up but didn't tell anyone because they weren't asked.
Seriously. With that much contradictory information, you can make any hypothesis you want. The often-posted Wired article makes perfect sense in one set of assumptions...but if you assume the plane flew low, it suddenly DOESN'T make sense as pilots typically consider altitude to be safety...even if it was an oxygen related issue, flying below 10,000 feet doesn't make sense.
Is there anywhere with a fact list that shows what's been previously reported but subsequently DISproven? That's what I'm lacking I guess.
Fennis
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Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
mr roboto
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I don't think Peens is in favor of allowing blacks to drive. Unless it's a bunch of white people in a limo.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
I agree with this... Their radar is prob equivalent to ours from like 1950. They're trying to not look incompetent and it is just making them look worse.FN - I don't think the Malaysians know what's right or wrong as far as information is concerned. IMO, they're WAAAY over their heads on this one.
The media is only trying to fill air time.
Fat Nick
Footballguy
So basically all these reports of plane turned, plane climbed, plane descended...are kind of just to save face. Awesome.I agree with this... Their radar is prob equivalent to ours from like 1950. They're trying to not look incompetent and it is just making them look worse.FN - I don't think the Malaysians know what's right or wrong as far as information is concerned. IMO, they're WAAAY over their heads on this one.
The media is only trying to fill air time.
I'm going with Aliens then.
Brony
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The distance between Langkawi and the mainland is not that big. It's just odd that they wouldn't have seen any wreckage in that area in the last 7 days. I've been to Langkawi. You do get a fair amount of boat traffic in the islands around there. It's got a decent population there and it would surprise me that no one would have heard/seen any evidence in the vicinity of there.
Not ruling out an electrical fire, it just seems strange that they haven't found the plane if the theory is true.
fantasycurse42
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My bad, this nation is on top of their ####...A lot of current technology, smart people, brilliance going on.So basically all these reports of plane turned, plane climbed, plane descended...are kind of just to save face. Awesome.I agree with this... Their radar is prob equivalent to ours from like 1950. They're trying to not look incompetent and it is just making them look worse.FN - I don't think the Malaysians know what's right or wrong as far as information is concerned. IMO, they're WAAAY over their heads on this one.
The media is only trying to fill air time.
I'm going with Aliens then.
Waiting a week to search the pilots house, like that move a lot too
ETA: matching up the change in route prior to last communication - Glad they figured it out in about two weeks... If this had been an advanced nation like Petoria, it might've taken months.
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Doug B
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I don't think Goodfellow's theory dictates that the plane went down near Langkawi. In fact, I thought the opposite: that Goodfellow was saying that the plane flew far away on autopilot after everyone aboard had died.
T Bell
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Remember, the theory is that it didn't stop there but kept flying out in to the middle of the Indian Ocean before crashing for lack of fuel or whatever. It was also the middle of the night in a place where it is not unusual to have aircraft flying.
Fat Nick
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So no Aliens?My bad, this nation is on top of their ####...A lot of current technology, smart people, brilliance going on.So basically all these reports of plane turned, plane climbed, plane descended...are kind of just to save face. Awesome.I agree with this... Their radar is prob equivalent to ours from like 1950. They're trying to not look incompetent and it is just making them look worse.FN - I don't think the Malaysians know what's right or wrong as far as information is concerned. IMO, they're WAAAY over their heads on this one.
The media is only trying to fill air time.
I'm going with Aliens then.
Waiting a week to search the pilots house, like that move a lot too
ETA: matching up the change in route prior to last communication - Glad they figured it out in about two weeks... If this had been an advanced nation like Petoria, it might've taken months.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
That was Sheiks theory, pay attention!So no Aliens?My bad, this nation is on top of their ####...A lot of current technology, smart people, brilliance going on.So basically all these reports of plane turned, plane climbed, plane descended...are kind of just to save face. Awesome.I agree with this... Their radar is prob equivalent to ours from like 1950. They're trying to not look incompetent and it is just making them look worse.FN - I don't think the Malaysians know what's right or wrong as far as information is concerned. IMO, they're WAAAY over their heads on this one.
The media is only trying to fill air time.
I'm going with Aliens then.
Waiting a week to search the pilots house, like that move a lot too
ETA: matching up the change in route prior to last communication - Glad they figured it out in about two weeks... If this had been an advanced nation like Petoria, it might've taken months.
Fat Nick
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I thought his was Al-Quaeda Air?That was Sheiks theory, pay attention!So no Aliens?
Tom Servo
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NJ
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Joe Summer
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Joe Summer: the plane crashed shortly after its final transmission, and all the alleged sightings and radar blips are erroneous.
Fennis
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ceo3west
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This was actually rebutted again by Goodfellow, who maintains his position. As a side note, the Slate author is the husband of one of my wife's friend's. Guy is the most pretentious tool I've met in my life. He's looking for his 15 minutes of fame here. He's been trying to debate this with aviation experts for a week now and was on CNN last week doing so. Why he was on CNN I have no idea, he's not an expert in this area at all, just happened to write a book about how the mind perceives danger. CNN has gone into National Enquirer territory on this one.
Doug B
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Doug B
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While Goodfellow does't spell this out specifically, his analysis hints at the possibility that one or both of the pilots used smoke hoods. This would have allowed him/them to stay concious long enough to perform further maneuvers after overshooting Lankawi Int'l -- but not for much longer after that.
ceo3west
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He states that he posted a rebuttal on Slate, on his google plus page https://plus.google.com/106271056358366282907/posts/GoeVjHJaGBz#106271056358366282907/posts
I couldn't find a separate article but someone copied his rebuttal in the comments of Jeff W's article --
bagger
Footballguy
well water would have put out the fire. and they all have the oxygen masks so theyre probably all hanging out until the red october saves them.
B-Deep
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Doug B
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Ceo, thanks for posting that
I didn't realize that Goodfellow had meant for his analysis to favor a crash site west of the Maldives. That means he's more or less ruling out any importance of the northern/southern arcs. Maybe that satellite ping data really is way off?
17seconds
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Whether Goodfellow is exactly right or not isn't why I agree with his analysis. It's his way of thinking - analyzing the situation from the point of view of pilots who wanted to save the plane.
The pilot suicide, pilot malicious intent, land/refuel/use-as-a-weapon, hijacking angles taken by most of the news media have become pretty wild in terms of speculation. They had better be on the right track. If this ends up being a failure event with pilots trying to save the plane, there is going to be an enormous backlash against the media the likes of which we've never seen. It could bring down CNN. It could actually change the way news is reported.
The pilot suicide, pilot malicious intent, land/refuel/use-as-a-weapon, hijacking angles taken by most of the news media have become pretty wild in terms of speculation. They had better be on the right track. If this ends up being a failure event with pilots trying to save the plane, there is going to be an enormous backlash against the media the likes of which we've never seen. It could bring down CNN. It could actually change the way news is reported.
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NCCommish
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17seconds
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I mean it could be the last straw. CNN and others have been dinged hard for doing things like calling elections an hour early. But stringing the country along for weeks 24/7 with speculation? If it's totally wrong, they're done IMO
Baloney Sandwich
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I still think Freescale Semiconductor is involved in this but not for reasons people think. They are based in TX and have ties to SMU, I think all of this somehow ties into CJK5H
Doug B
Footballguy
Agreed. I think he's got the general gist more than the exacting details.
One thing I thought Goodfellow was pointing at before today was the possibility that the pilot(s), under the duress of the situation, tried a few more times unsuccessfully to get the plane back to Langkawi after the initial overshoot. That could account for any apparent twists and turns once the plane was over the Andaman Sea.
That was my personal explanation for how the plane ended up in the southern arc -- the last intentionally-directed heading of the plane ended up being southward, and it continued on as a "ghost plane" into the southern Indian Ocean.
However, since Goodfellow is pushing a final location west of the Maldives ... I can only conclude that he's disconting the satellite-ping stuff altogether.
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TheAristocrat
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17seconds
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Why do you find that funny? 9/11 caused cable news to change so that every story is RED ALERT, BREAKING NEWS. News crawlers going constantly, etc. It didn't used to be like that until there was a massive story that lasted for weeks.
Being in error for weeks could definitely cause another shift.
People are going to forget about this story and any coverage in about a week, or sooner if something else comes up.Why do you find that funny? 9/11 caused cable news to change so that every story is RED ALERT, BREAKING NEWS. News crawlers going constantly, etc. It didn't used to be like that until there was a massive story that lasted for weeks.
Being in error for weeks could definitely cause another shift.
KCitons
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I don't get this? I understand the need to find this plane. Beyond that, what right do we really have to any and all information. I have full confidence that U.S officials and Boeing are clear on the information received from the engines. I'm also OK, that they don't share all of that information with every talking head that thinks they need to be in the know.
17seconds
root of all aliai
When there is a news story and people want hard news, which network do you think they go to the most? Fox News? MSNBC? Network news? I'm pretty sure CNN is still at the top of the list. Their everyday programming gets killed by the other guys but if you want to know the facts when there is a major event, it's CNN.People are going to forget about this story and any coverage in about a week, or sooner if something else comes up.Why do you find that funny? 9/11 caused cable news to change so that every story is RED ALERT, BREAKING NEWS. News crawlers going constantly, etc. It didn't used to be like that until there was a massive story that lasted for weeks.
Being in error for weeks could definitely cause another shift.
If it goes down like I'm saying, a lot of people move away from CNN. Could be the nail in the coffin. They're already in bad shape.
Hot Diggity Dog
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Another theory, some small but extremely valuable item was on the plane. Let's say a bag of diamonds . Plane is hijacked, taken to extreme height to debilitate passengers and possibly crew. Then taken low so the hijackers parachute out with small package right after setting the autopilot to fly Off to the south Indian ocean. Plane crashes where no one can find it and covers the fact that some of the passengers left the plane before it crashed. Crew and or pilots could be in on the plot. Several hurdles for this theory, like parachuting in the dark. But with some inside help and info... Would like to see insurance claims on this event.
Or what the Goodfellow dude said.
Or what the Goodfellow dude said.
Media is now about being the first to "break" news. They release as many stories as possible In a shotgun approach hoping one of them is correct so they can claim you heard it there first. CNN has been done to me for years - I would rather find my news in a thread like this that posts links to pilot opinion and offers some logical theories (and the Schtick is entertaining as well). Go to their website and they have articles that are two days old. It's hard to fall when you are already on the ground.
How sad would it be if the co-pilot said "all right good night" in delirium knowing he was going to die from the smoke (if that's true)
And I know someone said the route was programmed before the ACARS was turned off. Isn't it possible the fire/smoke was realized by the pilot and he chose to reroute the plane first as time was limited and then the fire took out the communications? If the plane is on fire, he needs to land it first because telling the tower is going to help no one.
And I know someone said the route was programmed before the ACARS was turned off. Isn't it possible the fire/smoke was realized by the pilot and he chose to reroute the plane first as time was limited and then the fire took out the communications? If the plane is on fire, he needs to land it first because telling the tower is going to help no one.
