Muslims in NYC Planning to Build Second Mosque Near Ground Zero (1 Viewer)

[Iraqi Information Minister]

How far is far enough? Is 4 blocks okay? 6 blocks? This is so, so, so stupid.

I have no idea. Keep going until the din subsides?

 

[Gigantomachia]

got the whole thing right, so what's your point? or is that the extent of your intellectual discourse?

Forgive me if I don't bow down to your dime-store, philosophical tripe.

:X

That's better, Gig. Much better. The emoticons compliment your writing style in much more flattering way than when you actually use words.

 

[mad sweeney]

You think that the same dolts who are against this being built are going to view Islam differently if the mosque isn't built?

I don't think that everyone that is opposed to this is a dolt. Some are and their minds won't be changed.

I'm an atheist - if it was up to me our society wouldn't waste another dime on a non-Disney building to celebrate fairy tales. But this hysteria is based entirely on ignorance and fear.

That's too broad of a brush you're painting with there. Some of it is based on ignorance and fear, but the overall spirit of the objection I believe is one of reaction to provocation.

As I pointed out in the other thread, imagine someone opening up a gun store right across from Columbine High School. Sure, they have the right to do it. But would it be in good taste?

Actually I'm not sure that a gun store can be that close to a school.

 

[Gigantomachia]

i love people who claim to speak for "americans". no one is saying you cant ##### and complain, knock yourself out, but to think the mob should be allowed to stop someone from building on private property is hypocrisy at its finest. and you can try your hand at wit all you want, that aint gonna change the facts one bit.

 

[Iraqi Information Minister]

i love people who claim to speak for "americans". no one is saying you cant ##### and complain, knock yourself out, but to think the mob should be allowed to stop someone from building on private property is hypocrisy at its finest. and you can try your hand at wit all you want, that aint gonna change the facts one bit.

Who are you talking about here?

 

[Burton]

i love people who claim to speak for "americans". no one is saying you cant ##### and complain, knock yourself out, but to think the mob should be allowed to stop someone from building on private property is hypocrisy at its finest. and you can try your hand at wit all you want, that aint gonna change the facts one bit.

Have you ever attended a city planning commission meeting?

 

[Statorama]

Lets get real though. All this stuff is to keep our attention away from Obama's bungling of the economy and unemployment.

Ground Zero Mosque a red herring

By 2012, our national debt will be larger than the entire U.S. economy, according to the International Monetary Fund. So what's on the front burner in Washington these days? Zoning issues in lower Manhattan!

 

[wazoo11]

How about all those European witch burnings? When Christians even had the suspicion that someone wasn't of the same religion as them they burned innocent women at the stake. Strangely it turned out that none of those women were witches.....

 

[MongoL3]

How about all those European witch burnings? When Christians even had the suspicion that someone wasn't of the same religion as them they burned innocent women at the stake. Strangely it turned out that none of those women were witches.....

Oh yeah, i think i read about a bunch of this going down last week....

 

[jon_mx]

i love people who claim to speak for "americans". no one is saying you cant ##### and complain, knock yourself out, but to think the mob should be allowed to stop someone from building on private property is hypocrisy at its finest. and you can try your hand at wit all you want, that aint gonna change the facts one bit.

Why? Is there something wrong with people coming collectively together and opposing something? Seems like America to me. Why when the rightwing gets some momentum together and is successful that is all of a sudden it is unAmerican?

 

[MongoL3]

i love people who claim to speak for "americans". no one is saying you cant ##### and complain, knock yourself out, but to think the mob should be allowed to stop someone from building on private property is hypocrisy at its finest. and you can try your hand at wit all you want, that aint gonna change the facts one bit.

Why? Is there something wrong with people coming collectively together and opposing something? Seems like America to me. Why when the rightwing gets some momentum together and is successful that is all of a sudden it is unAmerican?

You are aware you are arguing with a hypocrite right?

 

[Smack Tripper]

How about all those European witch burnings? When Christians even had the suspicion that someone wasn't of the same religion as them they burned innocent women at the stake. Strangely it turned out that none of those women were witches.....

 

[jon_mx]

I can't believe the hysteria over this situation. And the backtracking by Obama and Reid is, to put it simply, shameful. I really hope they go through with this now. If they don't, it will be a victory for the ignorant.

You don't like when Glen Beck throws out labels like socialist, but you do the same when you call your opponents ignorant. The people who are being ignorant are the people who are building this building to promote multiculturism (in their own words). If that is truly their motive they have failed completely. This is a statement of hate and divisiveness, that in other circumstances you would oppose. It is a dumb idea, so dumb that there is no way their stated purpose is the truth. Besides, the name of the group behind this is the Cordoba Initiative, which for Muslims is a reference to their conquering past. It is like if a group of Americans called themselves the The Hiroshima Initiative and stated their goal was to create goodwill to the Japanese people. It is utter BS, and if you thought about it would realize it. This is not about a group of New Yorkers looking for a place to worship. There is a group of local Muslims who are going ahead and building a mosque in this area with little to no opposition. It is this monument to terrorism that is being opposed.

Last night I was watching an interview with an American Islamic woman who had lost a cousin in the Towers and been one of the helpers trying to save lives during 9/11. She stated the issues involved very eloquently: if the opposition to the cultural center succeeded, it would mean that Americans held American Muslms, and the religion of Islam in general, as responsible for 9/11. Had there been no loud opposition, perhaps the center might have been relocated. But for the builders of the center to give in now would be a surrender to everything that America is NOT supposed to stand for. I admired this woman and fully agreed with her. And I stand by my statement that this would be a victory for the ignorant. Unfortunately Jon your own post proves it. You state that "Cordoba" is a reference to the Muslims' conquering past. This is simply a lie, spread by Newt Gingrich and others. The word actually refers to the attempt by Muslims to live in peace with the western world; that is how it has been used by this Imam and other moderate Muslims in the last several decades. You state that the cultural center, which will include, along with the Mosque, a bowling alley, basketball court, and restaurants, will be a "monument to terrorism." You're smarter than this. Between this issue, illegal immigration, and gay marriage this nation is going through a bad time right now, in which populist anger without reflection or insight is running amok. It reminds me a little bit of McCarthyism and the Red Scare. As with those days, I predict that in a decade from now people will look back on this and be somewhat ashamed of their initial reactions.

Cordoba was a city which Muslims conquered in Spain. It was the crown jewel of Muslims advances into Europe. It does not mean any such thing as you are implying. The only peace it represents is, Muslims living in peace after they conquer you. Anyone who claims it means peaceful coexistence with other religions and people is in complete spin mode and is EXTREMELY naive. Read some history and don't fall for such ridiculous spin.

 

[timschochet]

Lets get real though. All this stuff is to keep our attention away from Obama's bungling of the economy and unemployment.

Ground Zero Mosque a red herring

By 2012, our national debt will be larger than the entire U.S. economy, according to the International Monetary Fund. So what's on the front burner in Washington these days? Zoning issues in lower Manhattan!

Interesting point, Stat. I wouldn't exactly call it a red herring, because that implies it's a deliberate attempt to steer direction from the economy, and that would make no sense, especially for the Republicans.But I do think that issues like this one and gay marriage come up because people are bored and confused by economics. There are no easy answers to those questions, and this type of issue is meatier, more easy to grab onto and discuss/debate no matter what side you're on. The media is guilty of this, but we're all guilty as well! Look how much time we spend on these issues, and the amount of people here who pay attention to them, compared to the number of people debating in the economic threads. I'm interested in those threads too, but I gotta admit that sometimes the arguments get so confusing that I have no idea what's going on, and I don't consider myself either stupid or uninformed in general. The public knows we are in an economic mess, but it's simply easier not to think about it.

 

[timschochet]

I can't believe the hysteria over this situation. And the backtracking by Obama and Reid is, to put it simply, shameful. I really hope they go through with this now. If they don't, it will be a victory for the ignorant.

You don't like when Glen Beck throws out labels like socialist, but you do the same when you call your opponents ignorant. The people who are being ignorant are the people who are building this building to promote multiculturism (in their own words). If that is truly their motive they have failed completely. This is a statement of hate and divisiveness, that in other circumstances you would oppose. It is a dumb idea, so dumb that there is no way their stated purpose is the truth. Besides, the name of the group behind this is the Cordoba Initiative, which for Muslims is a reference to their conquering past. It is like if a group of Americans called themselves the The Hiroshima Initiative and stated their goal was to create goodwill to the Japanese people. It is utter BS, and if you thought about it would realize it. This is not about a group of New Yorkers looking for a place to worship. There is a group of local Muslims who are going ahead and building a mosque in this area with little to no opposition. It is this monument to terrorism that is being opposed.

Last night I was watching an interview with an American Islamic woman who had lost a cousin in the Towers and been one of the helpers trying to save lives during 9/11. She stated the issues involved very eloquently: if the opposition to the cultural center succeeded, it would mean that Americans held American Muslms, and the religion of Islam in general, as responsible for 9/11. Had there been no loud opposition, perhaps the center might have been relocated. But for the builders of the center to give in now would be a surrender to everything that America is NOT supposed to stand for. I admired this woman and fully agreed with her. And I stand by my statement that this would be a victory for the ignorant. Unfortunately Jon your own post proves it. You state that "Cordoba" is a reference to the Muslims' conquering past. This is simply a lie, spread by Newt Gingrich and others. The word actually refers to the attempt by Muslims to live in peace with the western world; that is how it has been used by this Imam and other moderate Muslims in the last several decades. You state that the cultural center, which will include, along with the Mosque, a bowling alley, basketball court, and restaurants, will be a "monument to terrorism." You're smarter than this.

Between this issue, illegal immigration, and gay marriage this nation is going through a bad time right now, in which populist anger without reflection or insight is running amok. It reminds me a little bit of McCarthyism and the Red Scare. As with those days, I predict that in a decade from now people will look back on this and be somewhat ashamed of their initial reactions.

Cordoba was a city which Muslims conquered in Spain. It was the crown jewel of Muslims advances into Europe. It does not mean any such thing as you are implying. The only peace it represents is, Muslims living in peace after they conquer you. Anyone who claims it means peaceful coexistence with other religions and people is in complete spin mode and is EXTREMELY naive. Read some history and don't fall for such ridiculous spin.

From Wiki:The sponsors of Cordoba House said the name was meant to invoke 8th–11th century Córdoba, Spain, a time and a place where Muslims, Christians, and Jews co-existed peacefully.

 

[jon_mx]

From Wiki:

The sponsors of Cordoba House said the name was meant to invoke 8th–11th century Córdoba, Spain, a time and a place where Muslims, Christians, and Jews co-existed peacefully.

The funny thing about wiki is a month ago the entry for Cordoba Spain read as:

During this time Cordoba was one of the largest cities in the world whose name continues to represent a symbol of Islamic conquest to many faithful Muslims around the world.

Funny how it changed after the crap hit the fan.....the city was conquered and ruled by ruthless thugs, and you want to spin that as peaceful coexistance. Come on Tim, you are smarter than that. It is like saying America stands for the peaceful coexistence with Indians...

 

[jon_mx]

jon_mx absolutely wrong again.

no one expects anything else. if you ever on his side of an argument, you should rethink your position.

Choke chimes in again without a figgin clue....Read my post above.

 

[mad sweeney]

Lets get real though. All this stuff is to keep our attention away from Obama's bungling of the economy and unemployment.

Ground Zero Mosque a red herring

By 2012, our national debt will be larger than the entire U.S. economy, according to the International Monetary Fund. So what's on the front burner in Washington these days? Zoning issues in lower Manhattan!

Wait, so people are up in arms all over the country and calling out for someone (president?, mayor?) to put a stop to this mosque and once the Prez finally says something about it then he's getting called out for not paying attention to bigger issues?

 

[Parrothead]

I have been involved in controversial public hearings, especially one where an allowed use (Wal-Mart) was protested by local residents.. even though the municipality gave a conditional approval for this ALLOWED use, Wal-Mart decided to move to another location.. happens all the time..

 

[Tremendous Upside]

Can we stop using wiki like it's gospel?

Does anyone have a non wiki link or citation regarding the meaning of the word?

 

[mad sweeney]

From Wiki:

The sponsors of Cordoba House said the name was meant to invoke 8th–11th century Córdoba, Spain, a time and a place where Muslims, Christians, and Jews co-existed peacefully.

The funny thing about wiki is a month ago the entry for Cordoba Spain read as:

During this time Cordoba was one of the largest cities in the world whose name continues to represent a symbol of Islamic conquest to many faithful Muslims around the world.

Funny how it changed after the crap hit the fan.....the city was conquered and ruled by ruthless thugs, and you want to spin that as peaceful coexistance. Come on Tim, you are smarter than that. It is like saying America stands for the peaceful coexistence with Indians...

How is that any different than the spread of Christianity throughout the ages?

 

[jon_mx]

Cordoba is to the peaceful coexistence with westerns as the Confederate Flag is to peaceful coexistence with African Americans. And I think that is a fairly accurate analogy.

 

[timschochet]

From Wiki:

The sponsors of Cordoba House said the name was meant to invoke 8th–11th century Córdoba, Spain, a time and a place where Muslims, Christians, and Jews co-existed peacefully.

The funny thing about wiki is a month ago the entry for Cordoba Spain read as:

During this time Cordoba was one of the largest cities in the world whose name continues to represent a symbol of Islamic conquest to many faithful Muslims around the world.

Funny how it changed after the crap hit the fan.....the city was conquered and ruled by ruthless thugs, and you want to spin that as peaceful coexistance. Come on Tim, you are smarter than that. It is like saying America stands for the peaceful coexistence with Indians...

Here's the thing, Jon- the Cordoba Initiative has been around for several years, and if you go to their website it clearly says they named themselves that for the reason that I stated. You can believe in a conspiracy if you want to-certainly Newt does- but that doesn't make it any more true. Long before this cultural center was planned, they adopted this name to promote co-existence. What boggles my mind about this whole affair is that these appear to be the sort of Muslims we should all want to promote- Muslims that speak for moderation, an alternative to the radicals and Islamists and fundamentalists. And yet we are so eager to lump these guys in with the rest of them. We are proving al-Qaeda's case for them.

The conservative reaction to this proposed cultural center is a greater victory for al-Qaeda than they have enjoyed for years- it is greater than any terrorist attack would be. We are legitimizing their viewpoint to Muslims around the world.

 

[jon_mx]

Can we stop using wiki like it's gospel?Does anyone have a non wiki link or citation regarding the meaning of the word?

Read History. I told you what Cordoba is. It is a city in Spain which Muslims conquered in the 8th century. It means what it historically represents.

 

[jon_mx]

From Wiki:

The sponsors of Cordoba House said the name was meant to invoke 8th–11th century Córdoba, Spain, a time and a place where Muslims, Christians, and Jews co-existed peacefully.

The funny thing about wiki is a month ago the entry for Cordoba Spain read as:

During this time Cordoba was one of the largest cities in the world whose name continues to represent a symbol of Islamic conquest to many faithful Muslims around the world.

Funny how it changed after the crap hit the fan.....the city was conquered and ruled by ruthless thugs, and you want to spin that as peaceful coexistance. Come on Tim, you are smarter than that. It is like saying America stands for the peaceful coexistence with Indians...

Here's the thing, Jon- the Cordoba Initiative has been around for several years, and if you go to their website it clearly says they named themselves that for the reason that I stated. You can believe in a conspiracy if you want to-certainly Newt does- but that doesn't make it any more true. Long before this cultural center was planned, they adopted this name to promote co-existence. What boggles my mind about this whole affair is that these appear to be the sort of Muslims we should all want to promote- Muslims that speak for moderation, an alternative to the radicals and Islamists and fundamentalists. And yet we are so eager to lump these guys in with the rest of them. We are proving al-Qaeda's case for them.

The conservative reaction to this proposed cultural center is a greater victory for al-Qaeda than they have enjoyed for years- it is greater than any terrorist attack would be. We are legitimizing their viewpoint to Muslims around the world.

And the KKK or any organization can say on their website what they represent. Of course they are going to spin it to make it sound good to westerners. It does not take much of a history lesson to know what it is implying.To me this is $100 million monument to what the 9-11 terrorists did. This money is not coming from New York, it is coming from places who have no interest in creating a multiculturist site in New York City. It is a statement of glory to those who took down the towers. I have no problem with the mosque that is being built there with local money.

 

[ScottyFargo]

You think that the same dolts who are against this being built are going to view Islam differently if the mosque isn't built?

I don't think that everyone that is opposed to this is a dolt. Some are and their minds won't be changed.

I'm an atheist - if it was up to me our society wouldn't waste another dime on a non-Disney building to celebrate fairy tales. But this hysteria is based entirely on ignorance and fear.

That's too broad of a brush you're painting with there. Some of it is based on ignorance and fear, but the overall spirit of the objection I believe is one of reaction to provocation.

As I pointed out in the other thread, imagine someone opening up a gun store right across from Columbine High School. Sure, they have the right to do it. But would it be in good taste?

I got directions for ya. How do you feel about a 5 minute drive?Of course, K-Mart no longer sells ammunition thanks to the negative press after Bowling for Columbine:

Ammo bought at Kmart played a deadly role in the shootings at Columbine two years ago; the night before the massacre, eighteen-year-old killer Eric Harris cajoled a friend, 22-year-old Mark Manes, into buying two boxes of 9-millimeter cartridges for him at a local Kmart. Federal law prohibits the sale of rifle and shotgun ammunition to anyone under the age of eighteen, and a buyer must be 21 to purchase handgun ammo. However, many kinds of handgun ammo can also be used in rifles; an eighteen-year-old can purchase such bullets if the seller believes the ammo is to be used in a long gun. (Manes, who was sentenced to six years in prison for illegally selling gunman Dylan Klebold a TEC-DC9 semi-automatic handgun, was recently released to a Denver halfway house.)

 

[Radio Free Homer]

From Wiki:

The sponsors of Cordoba House said the name was meant to invoke 8th–11th century Córdoba, Spain, a time and a place where Muslims, Christians, and Jews co-existed peacefully.

The funny thing about wiki is a month ago the entry for Cordoba Spain read as:

During this time Cordoba was one of the largest cities in the world whose name continues to represent a symbol of Islamic conquest to many faithful Muslims around the world.

Funny how it changed after the crap hit the fan.....the city was conquered and ruled by ruthless thugs, and you want to spin that as peaceful coexistance. Come on Tim, you are smarter than that. It is like saying America stands for the peaceful coexistence with Indians...

Here's the thing, Jon- the Cordoba Initiative has been around for several years, and if you go to their website it clearly says they named themselves that for the reason that I stated. You can believe in a conspiracy if you want to-certainly Newt does- but that doesn't make it any more true. Long before this cultural center was planned, they adopted this name to promote co-existence. What boggles my mind about this whole affair is that these appear to be the sort of Muslims we should all want to promote- Muslims that speak for moderation, an alternative to the radicals and Islamists and fundamentalists. And yet we are so eager to lump these guys in with the rest of them. We are proving al-Qaeda's case for them.

The conservative reaction to this proposed cultural center is a greater victory for al-Qaeda than they have enjoyed for years- it is greater than any terrorist attack would be. We are legitimizing their viewpoint to Muslims around the world.

And the KKK or any organization can say on their website what they represent. Of course they are going to spin it to make it sound good to westerners. It does not take much of a history lesson to know what it is implying.To me this is $100 million monument to what the 9-11 terrorists did. This money is not coming from New York, it is coming from places who have no interest in creating a multiculturist site in New York City. It is a statement of glory to those who took down the towers. I have no problem with the mosque that is being built there with local money.

You have no idea where the money is coming from or what the intentions are of those who are donating.

 

[Radio Free Homer]

Can we stop using wiki like it's gospel?Does anyone have a non wiki link or citation regarding the meaning of the word?

Read History. I told you what Cordoba is. It is a city in Spain which Muslims conquered in the 8th century. It means what it historically represents.

Does it matter that when the Moops conquered Spain they allowed people to practice whatever religion they chose?

 

[mad sweeney]

From Wiki:

The sponsors of Cordoba House said the name was meant to invoke 8th–11th century Córdoba, Spain, a time and a place where Muslims, Christians, and Jews co-existed peacefully.

The funny thing about wiki is a month ago the entry for Cordoba Spain read as:

During this time Cordoba was one of the largest cities in the world whose name continues to represent a symbol of Islamic conquest to many faithful Muslims around the world.

Funny how it changed after the crap hit the fan.....the city was conquered and ruled by ruthless thugs, and you want to spin that as peaceful coexistance. Come on Tim, you are smarter than that. It is like saying America stands for the peaceful coexistence with Indians...

Here's the thing, Jon- the Cordoba Initiative has been around for several years, and if you go to their website it clearly says they named themselves that for the reason that I stated. You can believe in a conspiracy if you want to-certainly Newt does- but that doesn't make it any more true. Long before this cultural center was planned, they adopted this name to promote co-existence. What boggles my mind about this whole affair is that these appear to be the sort of Muslims we should all want to promote- Muslims that speak for moderation, an alternative to the radicals and Islamists and fundamentalists. And yet we are so eager to lump these guys in with the rest of them. We are proving al-Qaeda's case for them.

The conservative reaction to this proposed cultural center is a greater victory for al-Qaeda than they have enjoyed for years- it is greater than any terrorist attack would be. We are legitimizing their viewpoint to Muslims around the world.

And the KKK or any organization can say on their website what they represent. Of course they are going to spin it to make it sound good to westerners. It does not take much of a history lesson to know what it is implying.To me this is $100 million monument to what the 9-11 terrorists did. This money is not coming from New York, it is coming from places who have no interest in creating a multiculturist site in New York City. It is a statement of glory to those who took down the towers. I have no problem with the mosque that is being built there with local money.

Keep saying it over and over and over, which I know was the mantra of the Bush Administration, but it'll never be true. Keep saying you don't hold Islam in general culpable while all your actions scream otherwise, it's still not true and everyone knows it.

 

[mad sweeney]

Can we stop using wiki like it's gospel?Does anyone have a non wiki link or citation regarding the meaning of the word?

Read History. I told you what Cordoba is. It is a city in Spain which Muslims conquered in the 8th century. It means what it historically represents.

Does it matter that when the Moops conquered Spain they allowed people to practice whatever religion they chose?

Or that when white Christians were a-conquering they didn't? White Man's Burden anyone?

 

[jon_mx]

You have no idea where the money is coming from or what the intentions are of those who are donating.

I would bet you $100 that greater than 90% is not coming from the state of New York.

 

[jon_mx]

Can we stop using wiki like it's gospel?Does anyone have a non wiki link or citation regarding the meaning of the word?

Read History. I told you what Cordoba is. It is a city in Spain which Muslims conquered in the 8th century. It means what it historically represents.

Does it matter that when the Moops conquered Spain they allowed people to practice whatever religion they chose?

Jews don't have as fond of memories of Cordoba as the Muslims seem to. It is quite a debate between the historians between the two sides.

 

[Radio Free Homer]

You have no idea where the money is coming from or what the intentions are of those who are donating.

I would bet you $100 that greater than 90% is not coming from the state of New York.

It doesn't matter what you think or how confident you are in your assumptions.Again. You have no idea where the money is coming from or what the intentions are of those who are donating.So please stop spouting off as if you have a list of donors in your back pocket.

 

[Masked Vigilante]

Can we stop using wiki like it's gospel?

Does anyone have a non wiki link or citation regarding the meaning of the word?

Read History. I told you what Cordoba is. It is a city in Spain which Muslims conquered in the 8th century. It means what it historically represents.

Does it matter that when the Moops conquered Spain they allowed people to practice whatever religion they chose?

XMoors!!!

 

[Radio Free Homer]

Can we stop using wiki like it's gospel?

Does anyone have a non wiki link or citation regarding the meaning of the word?

Read History. I told you what Cordoba is. It is a city in Spain which Muslims conquered in the 8th century. It means what it historically represents.

Does it matter that when the Moops conquered Spain they allowed people to practice whatever religion they chose?

XMoors!!!

I'm sorry. The card says Moops.

 

[Statorama]

Weiner enraged on House floor

Just thought it was a funny headline

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

From Wiki:

The sponsors of Cordoba House said the name was meant to invoke 8th–11th century Córdoba, Spain, a time and a place where Muslims, Christians, and Jews co-existed peacefully.

The funny thing about wiki is a month ago the entry for Cordoba Spain read as:

During this time Cordoba was one of the largest cities in the world whose name continues to represent a symbol of Islamic conquest to many faithful Muslims around the world.

Funny how it changed after the crap hit the fan.....the city was conquered and ruled by ruthless thugs, and you want to spin that as peaceful coexistance. Come on Tim, you are smarter than that. It is like saying America stands for the peaceful coexistence with Indians...

That sentence just got edited in to the article a week earlier than that. It was removed because some guy (with an interesting history of edits in other Islam-related articles) threw it in there with no citation. "Funny how it changed after the crap hit the fan..."Pretty much the definition of fail, jon.

 

[jon_mx]

Here is another nice little tibit for all you supporting this momunment to 9-11 terrorists. The goal is to reveal this 'cultural center' on, get this:

Planned Opening: September 11, 2011!

That is right kids....the peace-loving Muslims behind this wanted to open this on the 10th Anniversary of 911.....

 

[jamny]

the opening date rumor has never been substantiated.

 

[jon_mx]

From Wiki:

The sponsors of Cordoba House said the name was meant to invoke 8th–11th century Córdoba, Spain, a time and a place where Muslims, Christians, and Jews co-existed peacefully.

The funny thing about wiki is a month ago the entry for Cordoba Spain read as:

During this time Cordoba was one of the largest cities in the world whose name continues to represent a symbol of Islamic conquest to many faithful Muslims around the world.

Funny how it changed after the crap hit the fan.....the city was conquered and ruled by ruthless thugs, and you want to spin that as peaceful coexistance. Come on Tim, you are smarter than that. It is like saying America stands for the peaceful coexistence with Indians...

That sentence just got edited in to the article a week earlier than that. It was removed because some guy (with an interesting history of edits in other Islam-related articles) threw it in there with no citation. "Funny how it changed after the crap hit the fan..."Pretty much the definition of fail, jon.

Tim is the one who wanted to use Wiki as a source. The only thing Wiki represents is whose activists are more active in editing the site.

 

[MongoL3]

Here is another nice little tibit for all you supporting this momunment to 9-11 terrorists. The goal is to reveal this 'cultural center' on, get this:

Planned Opening: September 11, 2011!

That is right kids....the peace-loving Muslims behind this wanted to open this on the 10th Anniversary of 911.....

Whats the big deal? Whats the significance of that date? :lib:

 

[mad sweeney]

the opening date rumor has never been substantiated.

Completely irrelevant to Jon. He's immune to facts.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Link

Boehner to raise money for Republican who backed mosque

Posted: August 17th, 2010 11:35 AM ET

From CNN Political Producer Peter Hamby

Washington (CNN) - House Minority Leader John Boehner came out forcefully against President Obama's decision to back the construction of an Islamic center near the World Trade Center site in lower Manhattan, calling the endorsement "deeply troubling."

But Boehner is scheduled to headline a fundraiser in upstate New York on Friday for a Republican House candidate who recently took a position quite similar to Obama's.

The candidate, Chris Gibson, is challenging Democratic Rep. Scott Murphy in New York's 20th congressional district. On his Facebook page last Wednesday, Gibson responded to a voter who wanted to know his position on the controversial project.

A former Army officer and Iraq combat veteran, Gibson condemned Islamic extremism and expressed sympathy for the families of 9/11 victims. But he also said that "any attempt to single out Islam would be a violation of the Constitution." American Muslims "are friends and good citizens and we must honor their right to practice their religion," he said.

Emotions about 9/11 run high, Gibson wrote, "but in my view, as it relates to religious buildings in the vicinity of Ground Zero, it's either all or nothing – churches synagogues and mosques should be treated the same."

That post, forwarded to CNN by a Democrat following the race, has since been removed from Gibson's Facebook page. Dan Odescalchi, a spokesman for Gibson, said he wasn't sure why the post was removed but said there some "nasty things" written on the candidate's Facebook profile and several posts were removed by staff as a consequence.

Asked if Gibson still supports the right to construct the mosque, Odescalchi directed CNN to a newer Facebook post in which Gibson advocates for a 9/11 memorial "that celebrates all religions and mankind's hope for peace.

A spokesman for Boehner had no comment on Gibson's statement.

UPDATE: The original version of this post failed to mention that in his original Facebook post, Gibson also suggested a way to sidestep the controversy: re-zone the private property on which the proposed mosque will be built.

Gibson's full comment was as follows: "Given the emotions associated with this sacred ground, it may be best to zone this land either commercial or state park," he wrote. "But in my view, as it relates to religious buildings in the vicinity of Ground Zero, it's either all or nothing – churches synagogues and mosques should be treated the same."

 

[mad sweeney]

From Wiki:

The sponsors of Cordoba House said the name was meant to invoke 8th–11th century Córdoba, Spain, a time and a place where Muslims, Christians, and Jews co-existed peacefully.

The funny thing about wiki is a month ago the entry for Cordoba Spain read as:

During this time Cordoba was one of the largest cities in the world whose name continues to represent a symbol of Islamic conquest to many faithful Muslims around the world.

Funny how it changed after the crap hit the fan.....the city was conquered and ruled by ruthless thugs, and you want to spin that as peaceful coexistance. Come on Tim, you are smarter than that. It is like saying America stands for the peaceful coexistence with Indians...

That sentence just got edited in to the article a week earlier than that. It was removed because some guy (with an interesting history of edits in other Islam-related articles) threw it in there with no citation. "Funny how it changed after the crap hit the fan..."Pretty much the definition of fail, jon.

Tim is the one who wanted to use Wiki as a source. The only thing Wiki represents is whose activists are more active in editing the site.

So how is using it to prove your point useful?

 

[Radio Free Homer]

Here is another nice little tibit for all you supporting this momunment to 9-11 terrorists. The goal is to reveal this 'cultural center' on, get this:

Planned Opening: September 11, 2011!

That is right kids....the peace-loving Muslims behind this wanted to open this on the 10th Anniversary of 911.....

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

From Wiki:

The sponsors of Cordoba House said the name was meant to invoke 8th–11th century Córdoba, Spain, a time and a place where Muslims, Christians, and Jews co-existed peacefully.

The funny thing about wiki is a month ago the entry for Cordoba Spain read as:

During this time Cordoba was one of the largest cities in the world whose name continues to represent a symbol of Islamic conquest to many faithful Muslims around the world.

Funny how it changed after the crap hit the fan.....the city was conquered and ruled by ruthless thugs, and you want to spin that as peaceful coexistance. Come on Tim, you are smarter than that. It is like saying America stands for the peaceful coexistence with Indians...

That sentence just got edited in to the article a week earlier than that. It was removed because some guy (with an interesting history of edits in other Islam-related articles) threw it in there with no citation. "Funny how it changed after the crap hit the fan..."Pretty much the definition of fail, jon.

Tim is the one who wanted to use Wiki as a source. The only thing Wiki represents is whose activists are more active in editing the site.

 

[El Floppo]

Can we stop using wiki like it's gospel?Does anyone have a non wiki link or citation regarding the meaning of the word?

Read History. I told you what Cordoba is. It is a city in Spain which Muslims conquered in the 8th century. It means what it historically represents.

I took a course in Medieval Spanish architecture when I was in grad school that also dealt with socio-political-religous aspect of things- which was granted, a long time ago... but my recollection of Cordoba and the Islamic presence in Spain (from my professor's perspective, supported by other course reading) was more of what Tim quoted. I'm sure there was violence and conquest, but IIRC, there was more assimilation and exchange than violence. Wrong kind of "history"?

 

[Tremendous Upside]

Can we stop using wiki like it's gospel?Does anyone have a non wiki link or citation regarding the meaning of the word?

Read History. I told you what Cordoba is. It is a city in Spain which Muslims conquered in the 8th century. It means what it historically represents.

Can you provide a link for that other than the Wiki "previously edited" page? Not to doubt you bonafides as a scholar of Islam or pan-Arabic history.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

MOSQUE

 

[Mister Martie]

Can we stop using wiki like it's gospel?

Does anyone have a non wiki link or citation regarding the meaning of the word?

Read History. I told you what Cordoba is. It is a city in Spain which Muslims conquered in the 8th century. It means what it historically represents.

I took a course in Medieval Spanish architecture when I was in grad school that also dealt with socio-political-religous aspect of things- which was granted, a long time ago... but my recollection of Cordoba and the Islamic presence in Spain (from my professor's perspective, supported by other course reading) was more of what Tim quoted. I'm sure there was violence and conquest, but IIRC, there was more assimilation and exchange than violence. Wrong kind of "history"?

[jonmx]

What do you think they are going to teach you at some liberal university. Open your eyes.

[/jonmx]