Muslims in NYC Planning to Build Second Mosque Near Ground Zero (1 Viewer)

[jamny]

Cordoba may be held up as a place of tolerance but also its a place where muslims conquered and then built a mosque on a christian church. Just a little history for you.

I like how you get the rolling of the eyes if you talk about the Crusades or some other part of history when saying that Christianity is littered with violence, but people seem to be stuck on the name of the center because it could have been a place of Muslim conquests 1200 years ago. Come on, you can't have it both ways.

Bush caught a lot of heat after 9/11 for declaring a "crusade" against terrorism.

 

[KarmaPolice]

Cordoba may be held up as a place of tolerance but also its a place where muslims conquered and then built a mosque on a christian church. Just a little history for you.

I like how you get the rolling of the eyes if you talk about the Crusades or some other part of history when saying that Christianity is littered with violence, but people seem to be stuck on the name of the center because it could have been a place of Muslim conquests 1200 years ago. Come on, you can't have it both ways.

Bush caught a lot of heat after 9/11 for declaring a "crusade" against terrorism.

Yeah, not the best choice of words to use there.

 

[flufhed]

BREAKING NEWS: Muslim back down from Ground Zero mosque

FWIW

good for them.. lesson learned- sometimes just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should.. hopefully this eases tensions..

 

[flufhed]

Why? All the libs were asking is that the government not overstep it's bounds (seemingly a right wing talking point) and disallow people their religious freedom. If it's true then this is win-win, well, except for all the hypocrites who loudly wanted us to betray our founding fathers' dream (pssst...that'll be most of you doing the loudest cheering)

Not just good posting, GREAT POSTING.

 

[flufhed]

I guess it comes as no surprise to anyone here, but I think Obama took EXACTLY the right tact and tone on this.

He avoided commenting on what was, and should have remained, a local issue.

Finally, when forced to comment on the issue, stated simply that Muslims, like anyone else, have the legal right to purchase private property and build a house of worship there. I think he wisely avoided stepping into the political/moral??? fray generated by the Glenn Beck groud, et al.

Then, we articles breathless reported "OMG OBAMA SUPORTS GROUND ZERO MOSQUE," he clarified that he was only commenting on the consitutional aspects of the issue, and in no way commented on the wisdom of such a project.

I like that he used the word "wisdom" there, again, I think taking the right tone of recognizing there are many sensitive issues at play, but not lecturing any one side or the other about what they should do.

In short, I kind of dig the fact that the President, on one of the biggest manufactured political hot-potatoes, stuck to the facts and the constitution, and avoided lecturing on morality or picking sides in a religious fight.

If that makes me a radical muslim socialist fascist terroist lover, then so be it.

 

[oneohh]

i love people who claim to speak for "americans". no one is saying you cant ##### and complain, knock yourself out, but to think the mob should be allowed to stop someone from building on private property is hypocrisy at its finest. and you can try your hand at wit all you want, that aint gonna change the facts one bit.

Why? Is there something wrong with people coming collectively together and opposing something? Seems like America to me. Why when the rightwing gets some momentum together and is successful that is all of a sudden it is unAmerican?

You are aware you are arguing with a hypocrite right?

who are u?

 

[MongoL3]

i love people who claim to speak for "americans". no one is saying you cant ##### and complain, knock yourself out, but to think the mob should be allowed to stop someone from building on private property is hypocrisy at its finest. and you can try your hand at wit all you want, that aint gonna change the facts one bit.

Why? Is there something wrong with people coming collectively together and opposing something? Seems like America to me. Why when the rightwing gets some momentum together and is successful that is all of a sudden it is unAmerican?

You are aware you are arguing with a hypocrite right?

who are u?

I am MongoL

 

[perry147]

I guess it comes as no surprise to anyone here, but I think Obama took EXACTLY the right tact and tone on this.

He avoided commenting on what was, and should have remained, a local issue.

Finally, when forced to comment on the issue, stated simply that Muslims, like anyone else, have the legal right to purchase private property and build a house of worship there. I think he wisely avoided stepping into the political/moral??? fray generated by the Glenn Beck groud, et al.

Then, we articles breathless reported "OMG OBAMA SUPORTS GROUND ZERO MOSQUE," he clarified that he was only commenting on the consitutional aspects of the issue, and in no way commented on the wisdom of such a project.

I like that he used the word "wisdom" there, again, I think taking the right tone of recognizing there are many sensitive issues at play, but not lecturing any one side or the other about what they should do.

In short, I kind of dig the fact that the President, on one of the biggest manufactured political hot-potatoes, stuck to the facts and the constitution, and avoided lecturing on morality or picking sides in a religious fight.

If that makes me a radical muslim socialist fascist terroist lover, then so be it.

 

[Iraqi Information Minister]

I guess it comes as no surprise to anyone here, but I think Obama took EXACTLY the right tact and tone on this.

He avoided commenting on what was, and should have remained, a local issue.

Finally, when forced to comment on the issue, stated simply that Muslims, like anyone else, have the legal right to purchase private property and build a house of worship there. I think he wisely avoided stepping into the political/moral??? fray generated by the Glenn Beck groud, et al.

Then, we articles breathless reported "OMG OBAMA SUPORTS GROUND ZERO MOSQUE," he clarified that he was only commenting on the consitutional aspects of the issue, and in no way commented on the wisdom of such a project.

I like that he used the word "wisdom" there, again, I think taking the right tone of recognizing there are many sensitive issues at play, but not lecturing any one side or the other about what they should do.

In short, I kind of dig the fact that the President, on one of the biggest manufactured political hot-potatoes, stuck to the facts and the constitution, and avoided lecturing on morality or picking sides in a religious fight.

If that makes me a radical muslim socialist fascist terroist lover, then so be it.

(I feel dirty. Someone turn on FoxNews.)

 

[flufhed]

I guess it comes as no surprise to anyone here, but I think Obama took EXACTLY the right tact and tone on this.

He avoided commenting on what was, and should have remained, a local issue.

Finally, when forced to comment on the issue, stated simply that Muslims, like anyone else, have the legal right to purchase private property and build a house of worship there. I think he wisely avoided stepping into the political/moral??? fray generated by the Glenn Beck groud, et al.

Then, we articles breathless reported "OMG OBAMA SUPORTS GROUND ZERO MOSQUE," he clarified that he was only commenting on the consitutional aspects of the issue, and in no way commented on the wisdom of such a project.

I like that he used the word "wisdom" there, again, I think taking the right tone of recognizing there are many sensitive issues at play, but not lecturing any one side or the other about what they should do.

In short, I kind of dig the fact that the President, on one of the biggest manufactured political hot-potatoes, stuck to the facts and the constitution, and avoided lecturing on morality or picking sides in a religious fight.

If that makes me a radical muslim socialist fascist terroist lover, then so be it.

(I feel dirty. Someone turn on FoxNews.)

 

[timschochet]

I guess it comes as no surprise to anyone here, but I think Obama took EXACTLY the right tact and tone on this.

He avoided commenting on what was, and should have remained, a local issue.

Finally, when forced to comment on the issue, stated simply that Muslims, like anyone else, have the legal right to purchase private property and build a house of worship there. I think he wisely avoided stepping into the political/moral??? fray generated by the Glenn Beck groud, et al.

Then, we articles breathless reported "OMG OBAMA SUPORTS GROUND ZERO MOSQUE," he clarified that he was only commenting on the consitutional aspects of the issue, and in no way commented on the wisdom of such a project.

I like that he used the word "wisdom" there, again, I think taking the right tone of recognizing there are many sensitive issues at play, but not lecturing any one side or the other about what they should do.

In short, I kind of dig the fact that the President, on one of the biggest manufactured political hot-potatoes, stuck to the facts and the constitution, and avoided lecturing on morality or picking sides in a religious fight.

If that makes me a radical muslim socialist fascist terroist lover, then so be it.

I really disagree with this assessment.I believe Obama spoke forthrightly and bravely, and probably honestly, on Friday night when he first adressed this subject at the White House Ramadan celebration. Then it appears that his aides got to him and told him how the polls were reacting. Then he backed off and was equivocal. It was very Clintonesque.

I'm reminded how another president dealt with a somewhat similar situation, in terms of its controversy. In 1949 Senator Joseph McCarthy declared that the State Department was filled with "card-carrying members of the Communist party" and that it should be cleaned out completely. An angry Harry Truman gave a press conference declaring that McCarthy's comments were nonsense and that he trusted the integrity of the employees in the State Department. Then Truman's top aide warned him that some 75% of the American public agreed with McCarthy and that Truman was in trouble; he needed to change his statement, perhaps suggest that maybe there was some truth to McCarthy's claim. Truman refused. He said he didn't give a damn what the public thought; truth was truth and he wasn't going to spread lies just because the public believed it.

But that was back in a time when we had a real man as president...I don't dislike Obama, but his weakness dismays me.

 

[El Floppo]

BREAKING NEWS: Muslim back down from Ground Zero mosque

FWIW

good for them.. lesson learned- sometimes just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should.. hopefully this eases tensions..

by the way- the link doesn't exactly match the in-post headline… it's a Jewish news organization quoting "insiders" as saying they might rethink. If people are taking that kind of link as fact (in either direction), they might need to take a deep breath and get some perspective.On NY1 (24 hour, all NYC TV news channel) this morning, the developer of the project stated he was absolutely moving forward with the site as planned. I'm sure a link can be found... and that's somebody you might call an "insider".

And fwiw- he also commented that they were trying to do something along the lines of the 14th Street Y, a Jewish run community center not affiliated with the YMCA that genuinely serves the entire community- we've taken classes there for our kid.

From the every sound I've heard from the people developing this thing, it would be of great benefit to that neighborhood.

 

[timschochet]

They absolutely can't give in now. Perhaps they could have moved the site earlier, before this became an international controversy. But to give in at this point to those protesting this would be a surrender to bigotry of the worst kind, an admission that Islam is, in America, an illegitimate religion, not to be awarded the respect shown to other religions, and a complete victory for al-Qaeda. I have spoken to some Arab American friends of mine about this issue in the past few days and they are all of the same mind: the cultural center MUST be built there now, otherwise they will not believe that the American dream is truly for them.

 

[BobbyLayne]

BREAKING NEWS: Muslim back down from Ground Zero mosque

FWIW

good for them.. lesson learned- sometimes just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should.. hopefully this eases tensions..

by the way- the link doesn't exactly match the in-post headline… it's a Jewish news organization quoting "insiders" as saying they might rethink. If people are taking that kind of link as fact (in either direction), they might need to take a deep breath and get some perspective.On NY1 (24 hour, all NYC TV news channel) this morning, the developer of the project stated he was absolutely moving forward with the site as planned. I'm sure a link can be found... and that's somebody you might call an "insider".

And fwiw- he also commented that they were trying to do something along the lines of the 14th Street Y, a Jewish run community center not affiliated with the YMCA that genuinely serves the entire community- we've taken classes there for our kid.

From the every sound I've heard from the people developing this thing, it would be of great benefit to that neighborhood.

You make it sound like this is a local issue.

 

[oneohh]

They absolutely can't give in now. Perhaps they could have moved the site earlier, before this became an international controversy. But to give in at this point to those protesting this would be a surrender to bigotry of the worst kind, an admission that Islam is, in America, an illegitimate religion, not to be awarded the respect shown to other religions, and a complete victory for al-Qaeda. I have spoken to some Arab American friends of mine about this issue in the past few days and they are all of the same mind: the cultural center MUST be built there now, otherwise they will not believe that the American dream is truly for them.

Do you wake up vomiting hyperbole? Is it not still the American dream if they build it 10 blocks away?

 

[timschochet]

They absolutely can't give in now. Perhaps they could have moved the site earlier, before this became an international controversy. But to give in at this point to those protesting this would be a surrender to bigotry of the worst kind, an admission that Islam is, in America, an illegitimate religion, not to be awarded the respect shown to other religions, and a complete victory for al-Qaeda. I have spoken to some Arab American friends of mine about this issue in the past few days and they are all of the same mind: the cultural center MUST be built there now, otherwise they will not believe that the American dream is truly for them.

Do you wake up vomiting hyperbole? Is it not still the American dream if they build it 10 blocks away?

Not for them, not anymore. It would be a tacit admission that they (Muslim Americans) are in some way responsible for 9/11.

 

[oneohh]

They absolutely can't give in now. Perhaps they could have moved the site earlier, before this became an international controversy. But to give in at this point to those protesting this would be a surrender to bigotry of the worst kind, an admission that Islam is, in America, an illegitimate religion, not to be awarded the respect shown to other religions, and a complete victory for al-Qaeda. I have spoken to some Arab American friends of mine about this issue in the past few days and they are all of the same mind: the cultural center MUST be built there now, otherwise they will not believe that the American dream is truly for them.

Do you wake up vomiting hyperbole? Is it not still the American dream if they build it 10 blocks away?

Not for them, not anymore. It would be a tacit admission that they (Muslim Americans) are in some way responsible for 9/11.

I know it's very easy for you to suppose that was the case (or want it to be - I'm not sure) but it doesn't have to be the case.

 

[quickhands]

They absolutely can't give in now. Perhaps they could have moved the site earlier, before this became an international controversy. But to give in at this point to those protesting this would be a surrender to bigotry of the worst kind, an admission that Islam is, in America, an illegitimate religion, not to be awarded the respect shown to other religions, and a complete victory for al-Qaeda. I have spoken to some Arab American friends of mine about this issue in the past few days and they are all of the same mind: the cultural center MUST be built there now, otherwise they will not believe that the American dream is truly for them.

Do you wake up vomiting hyperbole? Is it not still the American dream if they build it 10 blocks away?

Not for them, not anymore. It would be a tacit admission that they (Muslim Americans) are in some way responsible for 9/11.

so it would would become a perceived loss for Muslims to not build it where they plan to? So they would be offended?

 

[bg0546]

They absolutely can't give in now. Perhaps they could have moved the site earlier, before this became an international controversy. But to give in at this point to those protesting this would be a surrender to bigotry of the worst kind, an admission that Islam is, in America, an illegitimate religion, not to be awarded the respect shown to other religions, and a complete victory for al-Qaeda. I have spoken to some Arab American friends of mine about this issue in the past few days and they are all of the same mind: the cultural center MUST be built there now, otherwise they will not believe that the American dream is truly for them.

Do you wake up vomiting hyperbole? Is it not still the American dream if they build it 10 blocks away?

Not for them, not anymore. It would be a tacit admission that they (Muslim Americans) are in some way responsible for 9/11.

As opposed to Americans as their Imam has said.

 

[flufhed]

I guess it comes as no surprise to anyone here, but I think Obama took EXACTLY the right tact and tone on this.

He avoided commenting on what was, and should have remained, a local issue.

Finally, when forced to comment on the issue, stated simply that Muslims, like anyone else, have the legal right to purchase private property and build a house of worship there. I think he wisely avoided stepping into the political/moral??? fray generated by the Glenn Beck groud, et al.

Then, we articles breathless reported "OMG OBAMA SUPORTS GROUND ZERO MOSQUE," he clarified that he was only commenting on the consitutional aspects of the issue, and in no way commented on the wisdom of such a project.

I like that he used the word "wisdom" there, again, I think taking the right tone of recognizing there are many sensitive issues at play, but not lecturing any one side or the other about what they should do.

In short, I kind of dig the fact that the President, on one of the biggest manufactured political hot-potatoes, stuck to the facts and the constitution, and avoided lecturing on morality or picking sides in a religious fight.

If that makes me a radical muslim socialist fascist terroist lover, then so be it.

I believe Obama spoke forthrightly and bravely, and probably honestly, on Friday night when he first adressed this subject at the White House Ramadan celebration. Then it appears that his aides got to him and told him how the polls were reacting. Then he backed off and was equivocal. It was very Clintonesque.

We'll just have to agree to disagree. Obama is nothing if not calculated in his statements. In the Friday presser, he was very specific in saying that the Muslims had the legal right to build the mosque. Then the media took that and warped it into "Obama supports the mosque," and they basically reiterated what he said on Friday, and clarified that he was not commenting one way or other on the wisdom of the mosque. If the media was misrepresenting what he said, why wouldn't he clarify his remarks, especially when the clarification was entirely consistent with the original statement?

 

[flufhed]

They absolutely can't give in now. Perhaps they could have moved the site earlier, before this became an international controversy. But to give in at this point to those protesting this would be a surrender to bigotry of the worst kind, an admission that Islam is, in America, an illegitimate religion, not to be awarded the respect shown to other religions, and a complete victory for al-Qaeda. I have spoken to some Arab American friends of mine about this issue in the past few days and they are all of the same mind: the cultural center MUST be built there now, otherwise they will not believe that the American dream is truly for them.

WTF?

 

[Statorama]

Why? All the libs were asking is that the government not overstep it's bounds (seemingly a right wing talking point) and disallow people their religious freedom. If it's true then this is win-win, well, except for all the hypocrites who loudly wanted us to betray our founding fathers' dream (pssst...that'll be most of you doing the loudest cheering)

Not just good posting, GREAT POSTING.

Why? No one in this thread is arguing that we should change the constitution to prevent this. That's the liberal talking point.Those against argue : While they have every legal right to build that structure there, it's insensitive and it would show some class and taste if they moved it somewhere else.Libs : YOU WANT TO TAKE A GIANT DUMP ON THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

 

[quickhands]

Why? All the libs were asking is that the government not overstep it's bounds (seemingly a right wing talking point) and disallow people their religious freedom. If it's true then this is win-win, well, except for all the hypocrites who loudly wanted us to betray our founding fathers' dream (pssst...that'll be most of you doing the loudest cheering)

Not just good posting, GREAT POSTING.

Why? No one in this thread is arguing that we should change the constitution to prevent this. That's the liberal talking point.Those against argue : While they have every legal right to build that structure there, it's insensitive and it would show some class and taste if they moved it somewhere else.Libs : YOU WANT TO TAKE A GIANT DUMP ON THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

Not just good posting, QUALITY POSTING!!!!

 

[Statorama]

Not just good posting, QUALITY POSTING!!!!

 

[Phase of the Game]

They absolutely can't give in now. Perhaps they could have moved the site earlier, before this became an international controversy. But to give in at this point to those protesting this would be a surrender to bigotry of the worst kind, an admission that Islam is, in America, an illegitimate religion, not to be awarded the respect shown to other religions, and a complete victory for al-Qaeda. I have spoken to some Arab American friends of mine about this issue in the past few days and they are all of the same mind: the cultural center MUST be built there now, otherwise they will not believe that the American dream is truly for them.

wow

 

[quickhands]

They absolutely can't give in now. Perhaps they could have moved the site earlier, before this became an international controversy. But to give in at this point to those protesting this would be a surrender to bigotry of the worst kind, an admission that Islam is, in America, an illegitimate religion, not to be awarded the respect shown to other religions, and a complete victory for al-Qaeda. I have spoken to some Arab American friends of mine about this issue in the past few days and they are all of the same mind: the cultural center MUST be built there now, otherwise they will not believe that the American dream is truly for them.

wow

timsochet is the elsworth toohey of the FFA.

 

[jamny]

Why? All the libs were asking is that the government not overstep it's bounds (seemingly a right wing talking point) and disallow people their religious freedom. If it's true then this is win-win, well, except for all the hypocrites who loudly wanted us to betray our founding fathers' dream (pssst...that'll be most of you doing the loudest cheering)

Not just good posting, GREAT POSTING.

Why? No one in this thread is arguing that we should change the constitution to prevent this. That's the liberal talking point.Those against argue : While they have every legal right to build that structure there, it's insensitive and it would show some class and taste if they moved it somewhere else.Libs : YOU WANT TO TAKE A GIANT DUMP ON THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

this apparently needs to be stated again and again and again.

 

[flufhed]

Why? All the libs were asking is that the government not overstep it's bounds (seemingly a right wing talking point) and disallow people their religious freedom. If it's true then this is win-win, well, except for all the hypocrites who loudly wanted us to betray our founding fathers' dream (pssst...that'll be most of you doing the loudest cheering)

Not just good posting, GREAT POSTING.

Those against argue : While they have every legal right to build that structure there, it's insensitive and it would show some class and taste if they moved it somewhere else.

So you deny that some on the right have turned this into a political issue, and deny that some think politicians should have "done something" to prevent this?I realize there are plenty of well-reasoned people who are against the mosque. I'm not talking about those people.

 

[Christo]

They absolutely can't give in now. Perhaps they could have moved the site earlier, before this became an international controversy. But to give in at this point to those protesting this would be a surrender to bigotry of the worst kind, an admission that Islam is, in America, an illegitimate religion, not to be awarded the respect shown to other religions, and a complete victory for al-Qaeda. I have spoken to some Arab American friends of mine about this issue in the past few days and they are all of the same mind: the cultural center MUST be built there now, otherwise they will not believe that the American dream is truly for them.

 

[quickhands]

Why? All the libs were asking is that the government not overstep it's bounds (seemingly a right wing talking point) and disallow people their religious freedom. If it's true then this is win-win, well, except for all the hypocrites who loudly wanted us to betray our founding fathers' dream (pssst...that'll be most of you doing the loudest cheering)

Not just good posting, GREAT POSTING.

Those against argue : While they have every legal right to build that structure there, it's insensitive and it would show some class and taste if they moved it somewhere else.

So you deny that some on the right have turned this into a political issue, and deny that some think politicians should have "done something" to prevent this? what has happened that needed to be prevented?I realize there are plenty of well-reasoned people who are against the mosque. I'm not talking about those people. You are talking about the straw man argument that the constitution should be changed? I still have yet to hear anyone outside of private citizen and author Newt Gingrich, take that position. You must be talking about what the <5% of americans who take that position.

 

[rct]

Why? All the libs were asking is that the government not overstep it's bounds (seemingly a right wing talking point) and disallow people their religious freedom. If it's true then this is win-win, well, except for all the hypocrites who loudly wanted us to betray our founding fathers' dream (pssst...that'll be most of you doing the loudest cheering)

Not just good posting, GREAT POSTING.

Why? No one in this thread is arguing that we should change the constitution to prevent this. That's the liberal talking point.Those against argue : While they have every legal right to build that structure there, it's insensitive and it would show some class and taste if they moved it somewhere else.

Libs : YOU WANT TO TAKE A GIANT DUMP ON THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

What drugs are you on? Seriously. Since when is standing up for the 1st amendment and freedom of religion wanting to take a dump on the constitution?

 

[Christo]

Why? All the libs were asking is that the government not overstep it's bounds (seemingly a right wing talking point) and disallow people their religious freedom. If it's true then this is win-win, well, except for all the hypocrites who loudly wanted us to betray our founding fathers' dream (pssst...that'll be most of you doing the loudest cheering)

Not just good posting, GREAT POSTING.

Why? No one in this thread is arguing that we should change the constitution to prevent this. That's the liberal talking point.Those against argue : While they have every legal right to build that structure there, it's insensitive and it would show some class and taste if they moved it somewhere else.

Libs : YOU WANT TO TAKE A GIANT DUMP ON THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

What drugs are you on? Seriously. Since when is standing up for the 1st amendment and freedom of religion wanting to take a dump on the constitution?

He's not saying it to the libs, he's attributing the statement to the libs.

 

[bigbottom]

I guess it comes as no surprise to anyone here, but I think Obama took EXACTLY the right tact and tone on this.

He avoided commenting on what was, and should have remained, a local issue.

Finally, when forced to comment on the issue, stated simply that Muslims, like anyone else, have the legal right to purchase private property and build a house of worship there. I think he wisely avoided stepping into the political/moral??? fray generated by the Glenn Beck groud, et al.

Then, we articles breathless reported "OMG OBAMA SUPORTS GROUND ZERO MOSQUE," he clarified that he was only commenting on the consitutional aspects of the issue, and in no way commented on the wisdom of such a project.

I like that he used the word "wisdom" there, again, I think taking the right tone of recognizing there are many sensitive issues at play, but not lecturing any one side or the other about what they should do.

In short, I kind of dig the fact that the President, on one of the biggest manufactured political hot-potatoes, stuck to the facts and the constitution, and avoided lecturing on morality or picking sides in a religious fight.

If that makes me a radical muslim socialist fascist terroist lover, then so be it.

I believe Obama spoke forthrightly and bravely, and probably honestly, on Friday night when he first adressed this subject at the White House Ramadan celebration. Then it appears that his aides got to him and told him how the polls were reacting. Then he backed off and was equivocal. It was very Clintonesque.

We'll just have to agree to disagree. Obama is nothing if not calculated in his statements. In the Friday presser, he was very specific in saying that the Muslims had the legal right to build the mosque. Then the media took that and warped it into "Obama supports the mosque," and they basically reiterated what he said on Friday, and clarified that he was not commenting one way or other on the wisdom of the mosque. If the media was misrepresenting what he said, why wouldn't he clarify his remarks, especially when the clarification was entirely consistent with the original statement?

 

[badmojo1006]

They absolutely can't give in now. Perhaps they could have moved the site earlier, before this became an international controversy. But to give in at this point to those protesting this would be a surrender to bigotry of the worst kind, an admission that Islam is, in America, an illegitimate religion, not to be awarded the respect shown to other religions, and a complete victory for al-Qaeda. I have spoken to some Arab American friends of mine about this issue in the past few days and they are all of the same mind: the cultural center MUST be built there now, otherwise they will not believe that the American dream is truly for them.

I will agree with you. And I bet all the hysteria will die down, similar to the "Death Panel" arguments from last summer

 

[cubd8]

They absolutely can't give in now. Perhaps they could have moved the site earlier, before this became an international controversy. But to give in at this point to those protesting this would be a surrender to bigotry of the worst kind, an admission that Islam is, in America, an illegitimate religion, not to be awarded the respect shown to other religions, and a complete victory for al-Qaeda. I have spoken to some Arab American friends of mine about this issue in the past few days and they are all of the same mind: the cultural center MUST be built there now, otherwise they will not believe that the American dream is truly for them.

Pretty over the top.

 

[bigbottom]

They absolutely can't give in now. Perhaps they could have moved the site earlier, before this became an international controversy. But to give in at this point to those protesting this would be a surrender to bigotry of the worst kind, an admission that Islam is, in America, an illegitimate religion, not to be awarded the respect shown to other religions, and a complete victory for al-Qaeda. I have spoken to some Arab American friends of mine about this issue in the past few days and they are all of the same mind: the cultural center MUST be built there now, otherwise they will not believe that the American dream is truly for them.

Yes, everyone needs to dig their heels in and steadfastly refuse to comprimise in any way. That sounds like it fulfills the stated mission of the cultural center.

 

[Phase of the Game]

They absolutely can't give in now. Perhaps they could have moved the site earlier, before this became an international controversy. But to give in at this point to those protesting this would be a surrender to bigotry of the worst kind, an admission that Islam is, in America, an illegitimate religion, not to be awarded the respect shown to other religions, and a complete victory for al-Qaeda. I have spoken to some Arab American friends of mine about this issue in the past few days and they are all of the same mind: the cultural center MUST be built there now, otherwise they will not believe that the American dream is truly for them.

I will agree with you. And I bet all the hysteria will die down, similar to the "Death Panel" arguments from last summer

I'll take that bet on the hysteria dying down if they build the mosque there.

 

[tommyGunZ]

They absolutely can't give in now. Perhaps they could have moved the site earlier, before this became an international controversy. But to give in at this point to those protesting this would be a surrender to bigotry of the worst kind, an admission that Islam is, in America, an illegitimate religion, not to be awarded the respect shown to other religions, and a complete victory for al-Qaeda. I have spoken to some Arab American friends of mine about this issue in the past few days and they are all of the same mind: the cultural center MUST be built there now, otherwise they will not believe that the American dream is truly for them.

Do you wake up vomiting hyperbole? Is it not still the American dream if they build it 10 blocks away?

So 10 blocks is the **Official Rush, Palin, and Hannity Won't Be Pissed** distance?Good to know.

 

[Christo]

They absolutely can't give in now. Perhaps they could have moved the site earlier, before this became an international controversy. But to give in at this point to those protesting this would be a surrender to bigotry of the worst kind, an admission that Islam is, in America, an illegitimate religion, not to be awarded the respect shown to other religions, and a complete victory for al-Qaeda. I have spoken to some Arab American friends of mine about this issue in the past few days and they are all of the same mind: the cultural center MUST be built there now, otherwise they will not believe that the American dream is truly for them.

Pretty over the top.

But I just used one

 

[Mario Kart]

They absolutely can't give in now. Perhaps they could have moved the site earlier, before this became an international controversy. But to give in at this point to those protesting this would be a surrender to bigotry of the worst kind, an admission that Islam is, in America, an illegitimate religion, not to be awarded the respect shown to other religions, and a complete victory for al-Qaeda. I have spoken to some Arab American friends of mine about this issue in the past few days and they are all of the same mind: the cultural center MUST be built there now, otherwise they will not believe that the American dream is truly for them.

Do you wake up vomiting hyperbole? Is it not still the American dream if they build it 10 blocks away?

So 10 blocks is the **Official Rush, Palin, and Hannity Won't Be Pissed** distance?Good to know.

My SimCity mock up of New York does not like a "church" 10 blocks away from the high density commercial zone. The Sims don't like taking the bus/driving that far away with the heavy traffic. I razed the 10 block "church" and put one two blocks away and it is the most attended "church" in my Sim Nation. I also have lower taxes on commercial zones and high taxes on industry. My residents love my nation... all religions.

 

[tommyboy]

interestingly rahm emanuel and other dem advisors were against the obama comments

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/24405...h-daniel-foster

White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel has spent three days on the phone doing damage control with angry Democrats and urging them not to go public against the president, Democratic sources said.

Obama went ahead with the Ramadan dinner remarks even though his top political advisers had not reached a consensus on what he should do. Emanuel was one of the skeptics

 

[mrip541]

I wonder how things would pan out if some radical Christian Militia blew up a building and some Good Christians wanted to build a church there.

 

[Radio Free Homer]

interestingly rahm emanuel and other dem advisors were against the obama comments

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/24405...h-daniel-foster

White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel has spent three days on the phone doing damage control with angry Democrats and urging them not to go public against the president, Democratic sources said.

Obama went ahead with the Ramadan dinner remarks even though his top political advisers had not reached a consensus on what he should do. Emanuel was one of the skeptics

Emanuel is a d-bag.

 

[Mookie Blaylock]

I wonder how things would pan out if some radical Christian Militia blew up a building and some Good Christians wanted to build a church there.

Isn't this essentially what happened?

 

[tommyGunZ]

interestingly rahm emanuel and other dem advisors were against the obama comments

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/24405...h-daniel-foster

White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel has spent three days on the phone doing damage control with angry Democrats and urging them not to go public against the president, Democratic sources said.

Obama went ahead with the Ramadan dinner remarks even though his top political advisers had not reached a consensus on what he should do. Emanuel was one of the skeptics

Not really surprising. Emanuel knows how this plays politically even though I'm certain he agrees with Obama's comments.

 

[Christo]

interestingly rahm emanuel and other dem advisors were against the obama comments

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/24405...h-daniel-foster

White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel has spent three days on the phone doing damage control with angry Democrats and urging them not to go public against the president, Democratic sources said.

Obama went ahead with the Ramadan dinner remarks even though his top political advisers had not reached a consensus on what he should do. Emanuel was one of the skeptics

Emanuel is a d-bag.

A smart d-bag. Obama should have listened to him and kept his mouth shut.

 

[Statorama]

interestingly rahm emanuel and other dem advisors were against the obama comments

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/24405...h-daniel-foster

White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel has spent three days on the phone doing damage control with angry Democrats and urging them not to go public against the president, Democratic sources said.

Obama went ahead with the Ramadan dinner remarks even though his top political advisers had not reached a consensus on what he should do. Emanuel was one of the skeptics

Emanuel is a d-bag.

A smart d-bag. Obama should have listened to him and kept his mouth shut.

We've been very lucky that he listens more to Axelrod than Rahm.

 

[flufhed]

interestingly rahm emanuel and other dem advisors were against the obama comments

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/24405...h-daniel-foster

White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel has spent three days on the phone doing damage control with angry Democrats and urging them not to go public against the president, Democratic sources said.

Obama went ahead with the Ramadan dinner remarks even though his top political advisers had not reached a consensus on what he should do. Emanuel was one of the skeptics

Impossible. Obama is totally insencere and poll driven.

 

[Radio Free Homer]

interestingly rahm emanuel and other dem advisors were against the obama comments

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/24405...h-daniel-foster

White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel has spent three days on the phone doing damage control with angry Democrats and urging them not to go public against the president, Democratic sources said.

Obama went ahead with the Ramadan dinner remarks even though his top political advisers had not reached a consensus on what he should do. Emanuel was one of the skeptics

Emanuel is a d-bag.

A smart d-bag. Obama should have listened to him and kept his mouth shut.

Why?

 

[Christo]

interestingly rahm emanuel and other dem advisors were against the obama comments

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/24405...h-daniel-foster

White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel has spent three days on the phone doing damage control with angry Democrats and urging them not to go public against the president, Democratic sources said.

Obama went ahead with the Ramadan dinner remarks even though his top political advisers had not reached a consensus on what he should do. Emanuel was one of the skeptics

Emanuel is a d-bag.

A smart d-bag. Obama should have listened to him and kept his mouth shut.

Why?

If he doesn't open his mouth the first time he doesn't have to do damage control a few days later.