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I'm just trying to understsand how "they" as used in your sentence isn't Al Qaeda. You know, since you said "again" which would of course refer to having done it once before. So tell me again who "they" is and how that works in your sentence. Once we establish that, I can move forward to the next part of how wrong you are.
Like I posted elsewhere, I am fine with it if there is a rule/law that we are respecting that area and won't allow new buildings within a couple of blocks. But like I stated, if that's the case we can't allow a church or a Burger King to go up within that space, and we can't complain if somebody wants to plop down a mosque right on the edge of that space. Problem I have is that I think it's not about the distance, it's about Islam. By us saying 'they' should have more compassion than this and not put it 2 blocks away, we are also basically saying that we want 'them' to say their religion and beliefs are the same as the hijackers who did those terrible acts. Basically they would be bending over for a lot of ignorant people who can't seem to make the distinction.Jewell said:
Exactly. Why are these statements so offensive to people? People have their head in the sand thinking that the ME hates us because we have big screens and Hummers.
Nahh, I'm good, Arch. Thanks, though. Long line today?
I'm pretty sure they're happy about that part.
I'll accept that as an admission that you were wrong about your pronoun-antecedent troubles.
I would expect nothing less from a fraud who steals money from American citizens.
If it weren't for a few other posters, you'd be a record setter for most wrong posts of all time. But I think you're catching up.btw, nice deflection from having to address your piss poor attempt to cover up your lack of English skills.
Doesn't he already have one in the area? Maybe this site was just the right size for the center. Why does it have to be a sinister reason for this?Why is it so important to Muslims to have the Mosque there?That goes both ways as well.This goes both ways. So a mosque somewhere else won't accomplish the Islam goal?It's about tolerence and understanding the feeling of others.bakes said:oneohh said:
"Stickin' it"
I thought I read they bought the location fairly cheap because the building was getting run-down.
He raises legitimate points, and probably is right.Rauf: "What complicates the discussion, intra-Islamically, is the fact that the West has not been cognizant and has not addressed the issues of its own contribution to much injustice in the Arab and Muslim world."
Because they already own the building?Why is it so important to Muslims to have the Mosque there?That goes both ways as well.This goes both ways. So a mosque somewhere else won't accomplish the Islam goal?It's about tolerence and understanding the feeling of others.bakes said:oneohh said:
"Stickin' it"
Why isn't the Middle East called the Center?He raises legitimate points, and probably is right.Rauf: "What complicates the discussion, intra-Islamically, is the fact that the West has not been cognizant and has not addressed the issues of its own contribution to much injustice in the Arab and Muslim world."
I just think it's unfair to say "The West". Afterall, that's awfully broad and Haiti and the Dominican Republic didn't have anything to do with this. Rauf really should specify so that we don't offend Haitians and Dominicans.
Just a side note also here for those people who believe that Islam was the cause of 9/11 -it wasn't. And if we are attacked again that will not change - you can't make a square block go into a round hole- so quit trying to hammer it in.
What do you mean exactly?
He means he lives nowhere near NYC, so he can't understand why New Yorkers don't hide under their beds cowering in fear of Muslims.
I'm saying that if NY'ers don't fully protest this, they have no right to start crying when the inevitable happens.
A Muslim beats Michael Phelps in the Olympics after training at the Plaza 51 pool?
And you never answered my question, how is Islam a cult? 1.5 billion Muslims are in a cult?
**** Cheney is moving to NYC?
The inevitable terrorist attack near a Muslim community center with a prayer room inside in the US. Or, ITANMCCWPRIUS for short. Happens alllll the time.
Keep going....
NYers are not like Glen Beck - they don't cry or invent monsters for political gain; that would cheapen the people who died in 9/11.
classic.this thread is beyond ridiculous.**** Cheney is moving to NYC?
Therein lies the rub. The terrorists were acting on their interpretation of The Koran, Hadith, and jihad. This may not be the same interpretation of most Muslims, but the interpretation is supPorted by a fair number of people globally. To say that Islam wasn't the root of the 9/11 Terrorists actions is not necessarily true.And therein lies the great intra-Islam struggle. Let's hope for all our sake that the moderates' interpretations prevail.
you mean Martin Luther Beck. get it right.
Followed by a powerful Canard Storm fueled by hyperbolic updrafts. If such tragedies were to happen during election campaigning, well the storm that sank the Andrea Gail will look like a couple of kids with supersoakers at a pool (non-Muslim pool in an acceptable ((Christian or Jewish) community center).
The number is the most significant thing to you? Not how their actions mirror those of other cults? Their methods? I don't care about the muslims in places where they're still trading their daughters for goats. In the US they represent approximately 0.8% of the population which is Scientology territory. Also, look at the actions of their religious leader. Does he seem more like Manson and Koresh or Jesus? Think about it.
holy crap, seriously? even you cant be that naive.
All still continuously go through this, and it's not just religions. The Constitution (along with every other official document) is torn apart every day with differing interpretations. Moderates will most certainly not prevail if we continue to lump them in with the extremists.
Are you talking about Rauf or Mohammed?
The muhammad thing?
The rightwing noise machine has you now believing the man in question, who previously was choses by the Bush administration to represent the US at international conferences, is now David Koresh or Charles Manson. So now tell us again about "cults," their "actions" and their "methods," as you seem to be quite familiar with the concept.
it's all shtick until someone calls him out. then, and only then, is he just "joking around."
So by the same logic if we had a christian attack a federal building in the heartland of America because he was influenced by a particular interpretation of Christianity, that I am sure you would believe that the Christian church was somehow a sanctuary for terrorists, and have a moratorium on the construction of more churches. If only we had something like that in the past to provide such a precedence.
I don't see many Christians acting like Christ (nor could they since he was half/all God and sinless which is unattainable by humans), so I don't know why all Muslims would go around acting like Mohammed.
Yep, most religions have a schism and we've already seen a Muslim schism before into Sunni and Shia. The thing is that most religious schisms circulate around benign things like whether the Communion Eucharist truly is the body and blood of Christ. This schism circulates around whether a tolerant form of Islam should be practiced or whether infidels should be killed and Sharia law implemented. Big stakes in this one. Big stakes.
It's going to end up being a homing beacon for the terrorist fringe. It's the shining memorial to Atta and the rest of his group.Just picture yourself being a young muslim on the fringe in one of those small towns where the chief export is dirt. You hear of a golden tower built in the heart of the location of the 9/11 terror attacks. Can you honestly say that wouldn't give you pause to consider martyrdom in the slightest?
Which is why we should promote the side that doesn't want to kill everyone and help them win, not ostracize them.
Is this hypothetical in the US or in a heavily Muslim country? How about you're a young moderate Muslim who's scared to come to America because all he hears is that we hate Muslims. But he hears about the religious freedom of the US and that a moderate Muslim community center goes up in the biggest US city near similar Christian and Jewish community centers and it inspires this young man to come to America and be a voice for modernizing Islam. It works either way. With 1.5 billion Muslims worldwide who haven't blown themselves up in an effort to kill infidels, I'd have to think there are more that would embrace the idea of redefining their views a bit than would choose to blow themselves up. That's why they're called extremists, because most aren't like them.
The number of Christian radicals that endorse the use of violence as a legitimate end pales in comparison to the number of Muslims worldwide that hold a similar sentiment. I know we hear about the ocassional Christian nut who shoots an abortion doctor, but there's no real movement within the Christian church toward "an end we envision justifies the violent means we use" philosophy. There is such a movement going on within Islam on a global scale. You can deny it exists, but it's very real.As I've pointed out time and time again, hopefully the moderates quiet the movement.
