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This is the six page letter from Donald Trump to Speaker Pelosi.

Annotated.

- IMO this is a historic break with American tradition and reflects some really dangerous changes in the way the Presidency operates. Hopefully it's an aberration, but it is 100% authoritarian and nationalist.
I think young people are on to Trump and know what a dangerous buffoon he is.  What you are seeing is the last gasp of older white Americans that want to go back to the 1950s.  Unfortunately this last gasp may last another 5-10 years.

 
I think young people are on to Trump and know what a dangerous buffoon he is.  What you are seeing is the last gasp of older white Americans that want to go back to the 1950s.  Unfortunately this last gasp may last another 5-10 years.
It's certainly possible that it will last four more years. But I think next year's election will be the Republicans' "Pickett's Charge." Except that they might actually capture the cannon, win the battle and stay in the war for a little while longer. But the millennials and Gen Zs will ultimately prevail.

 
And Orban is a nationalist. It's a major global development, a former Soviet state has cycled back through nationalism to dictatorship. It's a gateway to authoritarianism and worse, that's one pitfall, and unfortunately it may be a pattern developing in the west. I certainly hope not.
Given the broad powers we're about to grant certain branches of federal government, and the circumstances we're about to go through, these might be the darkest days more susceptible to authoritarianism one can remember since the early part of the 20th Century. This is now running in hundred-year cycles, this nationalism/progressivism strain running through our country right now, neatly uniting to make it impossible for the citizenry to exercise their God-given or self-evident freedoms. 

 
Given the broad powers we're about to grant certain branches of federal government, and the circumstances we're about to go through, these might be the darkest days more susceptible to authoritarianism one can remember since the early part of the 20th Century. This is now running in hundred-year cycles, this nationalism/progressivism strain running through our country right now, neatly uniting to make it impossible for the citizenry to exercise their God-given or self-evident freedoms. 
Let’s get into this: 

We’ve had 3 Presidents in our history who were given authoritarian powers all during times of war. Lincoln did not abuse his power. Wilson did; he threw dissenters like Eugene Debs into prison. FDR was worst of all 3 in terms of civil liberties, forcibly relocating 100,000 Japanese Americans and stripping them of wealth and property. 

But neither Wilson nor FDR wanted dictatorship (if FDR had he might have seized it even earlier in 1933.) Both men were opposed vigorously in almost everything they did by a powerful press, as is Donald Trump, and Jefferson believed that this was the key to maintaining political freedom. 

So to respond to your point, so long as we have CNN and MSNBC, the Washington Post and the New York Times, I’m not too worried that we’re headed towards a dictatorship.

 
Let’s get into this: 

We’ve had 3 Presidents in our history who were given authoritarian powers all during times of war. Lincoln did not abuse his power. Wilson did; he threw dissenters like Eugene Debs into prison. FDR was worst of all 3 in terms of civil liberties, forcibly relocating 100,000 Japanese Americans and stripping them of wealth and property. 

But neither Wilson nor FDR wanted dictatorship (if FDR had he might have seized it even earlier in 1933.) Both men were opposed vigorously in almost everything they did by a powerful press, as is Donald Trump, and Jefferson believed that this was the key to maintaining political freedom. 

So to respond to your point, so long as we have CNN and MSNBC, the Washington Post and the New York Times, I’m not too worried that we’re headed towards a dictatorship.
Let's say this:

Lincoln suspended many fundamental civil rights in the war. Habeas corpus was suspended, which is a fundamental right nonpareil. That action alone makes his defenders ends-only defenders in democracy. Or, at the very least, those that support a suspension of habeas corpus would have to use a balancing test to mete out civil liberties. Basically, in not allowing states the right of self-determination and secession and also individuals formerly subject to the laws of the federal government their day in court, he suspended, not willy-nilly, the heart of democracy for all the states and their citizens. Perhaps rightfully so. 

One must believe in the justness of the cause to not allow that anyone suspended more rights than that which happened under Lincoln.

Wilson's power abuse was more diffuse, FDR's was targeted and severe, but nobody kept every citizen before the law like Lincoln. He had the powers of dictator. Thankfully it was vested in a benevolent one that oversaw such a bloody war, but his was a bloody civil war dictatorship nonetheless.

I think let's get down to this: The real brass tacks question that this might be pushing us towards: Are 100,000-200,000 dead worth the suspension of our liberties to President Donald Trump? I'm not so certain that most people, upon hearing about quarantines and state police turning down folks from other states at their borders would agree with this wholeheartedly. I'm not sure I do. I'm not sure which federal powers are necessary to enforce and implement what needs to be enforced and implemented. Those in search of utilitarian decisions will ask what good is power if power is not efficacious against its most dire threats. But that assumes that 100,000-200,000 dead is a dire threat to the Republic. It isn't necessarily. I write this as someone who is very susceptible to this disease, so I'm writing soberly; one can say of course we should not suffer these deaths, but what of the cost to our systems of government? That might be the brass tacks question as the days unfold.   

 
Let’s get into this: 

We’ve had 3 Presidents in our history who were given authoritarian powers all during times of war. Lincoln did not abuse his power. Wilson did; he threw dissenters like Eugene Debs into prison. FDR was worst of all 3 in terms of civil liberties, forcibly relocating 100,000 Japanese Americans and stripping them of wealth and property. 

But neither Wilson nor FDR wanted dictatorship (if FDR had he might have seized it even earlier in 1933.) Both men were opposed vigorously in almost everything they did by a powerful press, as is Donald Trump, and Jefferson believed that this was the key to maintaining political freedom. 

So to respond to your point, so long as we have CNN and MSNBC, the Washington Post and the New York Times, I’m not too worried that we’re headed towards a dictatorship.
Tim, I’ll be positive about our system, but if you’re going to do this, you can’t do this without doing a comp of FDR, Lincoln and Wilson Vs Trump, as men and ideologically. You know where that lands. Bad starting point.

I’ll add that Orban wiped out free press rights like 2 years ago as a presage to all this, so that’s a self-fulfilling statement about the press.

 
Rewatching The Story of Fascism in Europe

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One summer evening, the American president ordered a park next to the White House to be cleared of peaceful protesters. He had just declared himself “the law and order president” and announced his intent to mobilize the US military to subdue dissent across the country. And he was about to show off with his own display of force.

The militarized police’s rubber bullets and choking gas drove back throngs of people who were in Lafayette Park lawfully, to protest police brutality. Once the smoke cleared, that president marched through the park, with an entourage of sycophants, and stood before one of the most historic churches in America. There he held up a Bible for a cynical photo op. He brandished the book (upside-down) as if he had never read it. “Is that your Bible?” a reporter asked. “It’s a Bible,” he replied with a smirk.

If I described this scene even a few years ago, you would never have believed that it was real. And yet here we are. As a Christian and a humanitarian, this scene offends me deeply. And as a privileged white man in America, the events of the last week have been a painful but important reminder that so many Americans are denied the basic rights that people like me take for granted every day. To me, “law and order” should mean that Black Lives Matter and all Americans deserve equal protection under the law.

Challenging times — like right now — call for strong leadership: a voice of unity, compassion, and mutual understanding. True leadership is nonpartisan, and in my lifetime, I’ve seen both Democrats and Republicans succeed in bringing together a fractured nation. But that’s not what we have today.

Two years ago, I produced a public television special called The Story of Fascism in Europe. I was driven by what I saw as uneasy parallels between our current political reality and the climate in 1930s Europe that gave rise to Hitler and Mussolini, and by my belief that we need to learn from that history. Today, those parallels have become impossible to deny.

The first 15 or 20 minutes of the special, as the seeds of fascism are planted in Germany and Italy, feel especially relevant in today’s America. Notice how the militarization of police and the scapegoating of “others” are textbook stepping stones in tipping a nation toward authoritarianism. Pay attention to Hitler’s “Brownshirts” and Mussolini’s “Blackshirts” — goon squads who hijacked otherwise peaceful gatherings to stoke dissent. Tune into how they called into question the legitimacy of a democratic system; how they, too, held up an unread Bible; and how they reassured supporters by offering simple solutions to complex challenges. Pay attention to how a fascist takes advantage of a crisis — or several — to consolidate power and to sow fear and chaos. And remember how Hitler and Mussolini both insisted that they, alone, had the answers for all of these problems. As they say, history may not repeat itself. But sometimes it rhymes.

One thing I learned as I researched and produced this special is that there are pivotal moments in a nation’s history when good and caring people can stand up against the rising tide of anger and fear that can lead to fascism. Or they can be complacent and wake up having lost their freedom. Our country is not too far gone…yet. But these coming weeks and months would be a good time for anyone who remembers the fate of Europe in the 1940s to organize, speak out, and vote in a way that helps keep us off that course.

For starters, be sure you and your loved ones, friends, and neighbors are registered to vote. (And during a pandemic, consider requesting an absentee ballot.) https://vote.gov/

Many ask, “What can I do?” Here’s one answer: In response to the systemic racism woven into our democracy, and to let the murder of George Floyd inspire us to bring something positive to our troubled society, this month my company is donating $50,000 to Lawyers and Collars, an initiative spearheaded by Sojourners that is working to defend voter rights in states where people of color are targeted. The goal: to support 1,000 black pastors and their allies who are ready in key states to protect the vote. In Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Michigan, North Carolina, Ohio, and Pennsylvania, they will mobilize their congregations and communities. If you’d like to join us, with even just a small donation, you can do it here: sojo.net/LCRS

Those of us who have the privilege of traveling to Europe have been blessed with an opportunity to get to know other societies — including ones that have lived through fascism — and to learn from them. Let’s bring those lessons home, and let’s do our best to provide grassroots leadership, as we find a way to heal our fractured country — with compassion, empathy, and real progress.

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When American conservatism becomes un-American

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From Harvard Law School comes the latest conservative flirtation with authoritarianism. Professor Adrian Vermeule, a 2016 Catholic convert, is an “integralist” who regrets his academic specialty, the Constitution, and rejects the separation of church and state. His much-discussed recent Atlantic essay advocating a government that judges “the quality and moral worth of public speech” is unimportant as a practical political manifesto, but it is symptomatic of some conservatives’ fevers, despairs and temptations.

“Common-good capitalism,” a recent proposal by Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), is capitalism minus the essence of capitalism — limited government respectful of society’s cumulative intelligence and preferences collaboratively revealed through market transactions. Vermeule’s “common-good constitutionalism” is Christian authoritarianism — muscular paternalism, with government enforcing social solidarity for religious reasons. This is the Constitution minus the Framers’ purpose: a regime respectful of individuals’ diverse notions of the life worth living. Such respect is, he says, “abominable.”

Vermeule would jettison “libertarian assumptions central to free-speech law and free-speech ideology.” And: “Libertarian conceptions of property rights and economic rights will also have to go, insofar as they bar the state from enforcing duties of community and solidarity in the use and distribution of resources.” Who will define these duties? Integralists will, because they have an answer to this perennial puzzle: If the people are corrupt, how do you persuade them to accept the yoke of virtue-enforcers? The answer: Forget persuasion. Hierarchies must employ coercion.

Common-good constitutionalism’s “main aim,” Vermeule says, is not to “minimize the abuse of power” but “to ensure that the ruler has the power needed to rule well.” Such constitutionalism “does not suffer from a horror of political domination and hierarchy” because the “law is parental, a wise teacher and an inculcator of good habits,” wielded “if necessary even against the subjects’ own perceptions of what is best for them.” Besides, those perceptions are not really the subjects’, because under Vermeule’s regime the law will impose perceptions.

He thinks the Constitution, read imaginatively, will permit the transformation of the nation into a confessional state that punishes blasphemy and other departures from state-defined and state-enforced solidarity. His medieval aspiration rests on a non sequitur: All legal systems affirm certain value, therefore it is permissible to enforce orthodoxies.

Vermeule is not the only American conservative feeling the allure of tyranny. Like the American leftists who made pilgrimages to Fidel Castro’s Cuba, some self-styled conservatives today turn their lonely eyes to Viktor Orban, destroyer of Hungary’s democracy. The prime minister’s American enthusiasts probably are unfazed by his seizing upon covid-19 as an excuse for taking the short step from the ethno-nationalist authoritarianism to which he gives the oxymoronic title “illiberal democracy,” to dictatorship.

In 2009, Orban said, “We have only to win once, but then properly.” And in 2013, he said: “In a crisis, you don’t need governance by institutions.” Elected to a third term in 2018, he has extended direct or indirect control over courts (the Constitutional Court has been enlarged and packed) and the media, replacing a semblance of intragovernmental checks and balances with what he calls the “system of national cooperation.” During the covid-19 crisis he will govern by decree, elections will be suspended and he will decide when the crisis ends — supposedly June 20.

Explaining his hostility to immigration, Orban says Hungarians “do not want to be mixed. . . . We want to be how we became eleven hundred years ago here in the Carpathian Basin.” Ivan Krastev and Stephen Holmes, authors of “The Light that Failed,” dryly marvel that Orban “remembers so vividly what it was like to be Hungarian eleven centuries ago.” Nostalgia functioning as political philosophy — Vermeule’s nostalgia seems to be for the 14th century — is usually romanticism untethered from information.

In November, Patrick Deneen, the University of Notre Dame professor whose 2018 book “Why Liberalism Failed” explained his hope for a post-liberal American future, had a cordial meeting with Orban in Budapest. The Hungarian surely sympathizes with Deneen’s root-and-branch rejection of classical liberalism, which Deneen disdains because it portrays “humans as rights-bearing individuals” who can “fashion and pursue for themselves their own version of the good life.” One name for what Deneen denounces is: the American project. He, Vermeule and some others on the Orban-admiring American right believe that political individualism — the enabling, protection and celebration of individual autonomy — is a misery-making mistake: Autonomous individuals are deracinated, unhappy and without virtue.

The moral of this story is not that there is theocracy in our future. Rather, it is that American conservatism, when severed from the Enlightenment and its finest result, the American Founding, becomes spectacularly unreasonable and literally un-American.

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- George Will

 
A Moment of National Shame and Peril—and Hope

We may be witnessing the beginning of the end of American democracy, but there is still a way to stop the descent.

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The slide of the United States into illiberalism may well have begun on June 1, 2020. Remember the date. It may well signal the beginning of the end of the American experiment.

The president of the United States stood in the Rose Garden of the White House on Monday, railed against weak governors and mayors who were not doing enough, in his mind, to control the unrest and the rioters in their cities, and threatened to deploy the U.S. military against American citizens. It was a stunning moment. But, in particular, it was notable for three important reasons.

First, Donald Trump expressed only the barest of condolences at the murder of George Floyd, but he also said nothing about the fundamental and underlying reasons for the unrest: systemic racism and inequality, a historic absence of respect, and a denial of justice. All of these factors are centuries old and deeply engrained in an American society that systematically delivers white privilege at the expense of people of color.

Yes, he mentioned George Floyd, but he did not touch on long-standing societal problems at all. He sees the crisis as a black problem—not as something to be addressed by creating the basis and impetus for a move toward social justice, but as an opportunity to use force to portray himself as a “law and order” president. The reasons were irrelevant to the opportunity. Remember the supposed invasion of the southern border and his deployment of federal troops ahead of the 2018 midterm elections? The president’s failure to understand the reality of the problem was on full display when, on Saturday, he attempted to explain that his supporters, the so-called Make America Great Again (MAGA) movement, “love African American people. They love black people. MAGA loves the black people.” Evidently his movement, MAGA, is a coherent thing, and it’s white, which leads to the next point about his speech.

Second, Trump was clear he views those engaged in the unrest and criminal acts in these riots as terrorists, an enemy. He said so, ostensibly as justification to deploy the U.S. military to apply federal force—his “personal” force—against the riots. Indeed, the secretary of defense used the military term “battlespace” to describe American cities.

While there may be some very accomplished criminals on both sides of the riots, the truth is that they are minuscule in numbers. The vast majority of the people protesting in the streets are justifiably furious at the murder of George Floyd, but they’re even angrier over pervasive injustice, mass incarceration, frequent false arrests, and an institutionalized devaluation of black lives and property. And yes, as this anger has spilled over, violence and criminality have ensued. But as much as the president would like them to be—indeed, needs them to be—terrorists, that is not what these people are. The president and members of his administration seem bent on ensuring that the so-called antifa—or anti-fascist—movement is fully on display as a principal reason for the violence. To deal with antifa, the president even tweeted that he intended to designate the group a terrorist organization—never mind that he has no authority to designate any domestic movement as such. Those of us who’ve looked closely at homegrown violent extremism do, in fact, agree that a domestic terrorism statute should exist.

And were such a statute to come into being, the obvious targets for designation as domestic terrorists are, first and foremost, violent white supremacist groups and individuals who provide material assistance to these groups.

The obvious targets for designation as domestic terrorists are, first and foremost, violent white supremacist groups and those who assist them.

And even if antifa is found to fit the statute as well, let me be clear: White supremacists have murdered, lynched, tortured, terrorized, oppressed, and discriminated against black Americans from the beginning of the idea of America. They have killed black Americans by the thousands, often in the most horrific ways imaginable. Far more damage to the United States has come from these terrorists—fascists, Klansmen, and neo-Nazis, all feeling newly empowered today—than those who have opposed them.

Finally, the governors have sufficient law enforcement capacity—and, if necessary, the combat power of the National Guard—to handle their respective crises. If not, they can ask for federal assistance. There is no precedent in modern U.S. history for a president to wield federal troops in a state or municipality over the objections of the respective governor. Right now, the last thing the country needs—and, frankly, the U.S. military needs—is the appearance of U.S. soldiers carrying out the president’s intent by descending on American citizens. This could wreck the high regard Americans have for their military, and much more.

Third, in a bid to create some appearance that he can empathize with those demonstrating peacefully in the streets, the president proclaimed himself the “ally of peaceful protesters.” But, at that very moment, just a few hundred feet away across Lafayette Park, fully equipped riot police and troops violently, and without provocation, set upon the peaceful demonstrators there, manhandling and beating many of them, employing flash-bangs, riot-control agents, and pepper spray throughout. These demonstrators had done nothing to warrant such an attack. Media who were watching over the scene craned their cameras to try to understand what had happened to justify this violence, until it became clear for all to see. The riot police had waded into these nonviolent American citizens—who were protesting massive social injustice—with the sole purpose of clearing the area around St. John’s Episcopal Church, on the other side of the park, so the self-proclaimed “ally of peaceful protesters,” Donald Trump, could pose there for a photo-op.

There had evidently been a debate within the president’s inner circle about the efficacy of attempting a national statement to create a sense of unity in this moment of crisis. Clearly, the argument in favor of such a statement did not carry the day.

The president has failed to show sympathy, empathy, compassion, or understanding—some of the traits the nation now needs from its highest office.

Perhaps sensing this moment as an opportunity for an easy victory after his appalling leadership failure in dealing with the coronavirus pandemic, the president came down hard: hard on the governors and mayors he’d labeled as weak, the same ones he’d left to fend for themselves during the pandemic, and hard on the Americans in the streets against whom he is preparing to dispatch “thousands upon thousands of heavily armed soldiers, military personnel, and law enforcement.” At the end of his speech, offhandedly saying something about going to pay homage to a national shrine, the president departed back into the White House.

Donald Trump isn’t religious, has no need of religion, and doesn’t care about the devout, except insofar as they serve his political needs.

St. John’s Episcopal Church is one of the most historic churches in the United States, in which every president since James Madison has worshipped. It had been damaged the night before, when a fire had been contained in the basement with little damage. But on the afternoon of June 1, it was surrounded by members of the U.S. Secret Service, other law enforcement personnel, and soldiers. Tear gas was hanging in the air, with vomit still on the street from demonstrators overcome by gas and pepper spray. The debris of peaceful protesters attacked in the clearing operation littered the street. As it became clear where the president was headed, and as the reality of what was unfolding set in, a horrified nation looked on.

The president stood in front of St. John’s, holding a Bible aloft, and expropriated the image of the church, the Holy Bible, and the Christian faith as the backdrop and basis for his words and deeds in dealing with this crisis. It wasn’t enough that peaceful protesters had just been deprived of their first-amendment rights—this photo-op sought to legitimize that abuse with a layer of religion. To make matters worse, he was joined in the church photo-op by the other members of his staff and cabinet, including the press secretary, the chief of staff, and the national security advisor. Much worse still, he was joined in the picture by Secretary of Defense Mark Esper and Attorney General William Barr.

One wonders, did Esper and Barr know that hundreds of peaceful U.S. citizens had been attacked by riot police just minutes before, their civil rights massively violated just to set the stage for their picture? Did it occur to them that in posing with the president and the Bible he held in front of a church, ostensibly calling down the authority of God on this cause, they were violating the spirit of one of the most important strictures in America, the separation of church and state? And if federal troops are indeed dispatched into the states to take action against American civilians, where does the Bible and the Christian God figure into the president’s deployment order? The framers of the Constitution intended the separation for a reason, and the commander in chief just trampled it.

In the immediate aftermath of this dark moment, late into the night, there was an eruption of theological debate about what it all meant on that historic day when a U.S. president weaponized the church and the Bible for a photo-op in order to justify his cause. Bishop Mariann Budde of the Episcopal Diocese of Washington said all anyone needed to say in order to settle the debate: “Let me be clear: The president just used a Bible, the most sacred text of the Judeo-Christian tradition, and one of the churches of my diocese without permission as a backdrop for a message antithetical to the teachings of Jesus and everything that our churches stand for.” Apart from the bishop’s truly righteous indignation, there really was no need for further discussion. Donald Trump isn’t religious, has no need of religion, and doesn’t care about the devout, except insofar as they serve his political needs.The president failed to project any of the higher emotions or leadership desperately needed in every quarter of this nation during this dire moment. We know why he did all this on Monday. He even said so while holding the Bible and standing in front of the church. It was about MAGA—“making America great again.”

To even the casual observer, Monday was awful for the United States and its democracy. The president’s speech was calculated to project his abject and arbitrary power, but he failed to project any of the higher emotions or leadership desperately needed in every quarter of this nation during this dire moment. And while Monday was truly horrific, no one should have been surprised. Indeed, the moment was clarifying in so many ways.

So, what is to be done? At nearly the same moment that Americans were being beaten near the White House on behalf of their president, George Floyd’s brother Terrence Floyd visited the site of George’s murder. Overcome with grief and anger, he loudly upbraided the crowd for tarnishing his brother’s memory with violence and looting. And then he told Americans what to do: vote. “Educate yourselves,” he said, “there’s a lot of us.”

So, while June 1 could easily be confused with a day of shame and peril if we listen to Donald Trump, if instead we listen to Terrence Floyd, it is a day of hope. So mark your calendars—this could be the beginning of the change of American democracy not to illiberalism, but to enlightenment. But it will have to come from the bottom up. For at the White House, there is no one home.

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John Allen is president of the Brookings Institution, a retired U.S. Marine Corps four-star general, and former commander of the NATO International Security Assistance Force and U.S. Forces in Afghanistan.

 
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History Will Judge the Complicit

Why have Republican leaders abandoned their principles in support of an immoral and dangerous president?

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If, as Stanley Hoffmann wrote, the honest historian would have to speak of “collaborationisms,” because the phenomenon comes in so many variations, the same is true of dissidence, which should probably be described as “dissidences.” People can suddenly change their minds because of spontaneous intellectual revelations like the one Wolfgang Leonhard had when walking into his fancy nomenklatura dining room, with its white tablecloths and three-course meals. They can also be persuaded by outside events: rapid political changes, for example. Awareness that the regime had lost its legitimacy is part of what made Harald Jaeger, an obscure and until that moment completely loyal East German border guard, decide on the night of November 9, 1989, to lift the gates and let his fellow citizens walk through the Berlin Wall—a decision that led, over the next days and months, to the end of East Germany itself. Jaeger’s decision was not planned; it was a spontaneous response to the fearlessness of the crowd. “Their will was so great,” he said years later, of those demanding to cross into West Berlin, “there was no other alternative than to open the border.”

But these things are all intertwined, and not easy to disentangle. The personal, the political, the intellectual, and the historical combine differently within every human brain, and the outcomes can be unpredictable. Leonhard’s “sudden” revelation may have been building for years, perhaps since his mother’s arrest. Jaeger was moved by the grandeur of the historical moment on that night in November, but he also had more petty concerns: He was annoyed at his boss, who had not given him clear instructions about what to do.

Could some similar combination of the petty and the political ever convince Lindsey Graham that he has helped lead his country down a blind alley? Perhaps a personal experience could move him, a prod from someone who represents his former value system—an old Air Force buddy, say, whose life has been damaged by Trump’s reckless behavior, or a friend from his hometown. Perhaps it requires a mass political event: When the voters begin to turn, maybe Graham will turn with them, arguing, as Jaeger did, that “their will was so great … there was no other alternative.” At some point, after all, the calculus of conformism will begin to shift. It will become awkward and uncomfortable to continue supporting “Trump First,” especially as Americans suffer from the worst recession in living memory and die from the coronavirus in numbers higher than in much of the rest of the world.

Or perhaps the only antidote is time. In due course, historians will write the story of our era and draw lessons from it, just as we write the history of the 1930s, or of the 1940s. The Miłoszes and the Hoffmanns of the future will make their judgments with the clarity of hindsight. They will see, more clearly than we can, the path that led the U.S. into a historic loss of international influence, into economic catastrophe, into political chaos of a kind we haven’t experienced since the years leading up to the Civil War. Then maybe Graham—along with Pence, Pompeo, McConnell, and a whole host of lesser figures—will understand what he has enabled.

In the meantime, I leave anyone who has the bad luck to be in public life at this moment with a final thought from Władysław Bartoszewski, who was a member of the wartime Polish underground, a prisoner of both the Nazis and the Stalinists, and then, finally, the foreign minister in two Polish democratic governments. Late in his life—he lived to be 93—he summed up the philosophy that had guided him through all of these tumultuous political changes. It was not idealism that drove him, or big ideas, he said. It was this: Warto być przyzwoitym—“Just try to be decent.” Whether you were decent—that’s what will be remembered.

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The Trap The Democrats Walked Right Into

"If law and order are what this election is about, they will lose it."

Andrew Sullivan

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It finally happened. We have lethal battles in the streets between the two tribes of our polarized politics. This week, a 17-year-old man, Kyle Rittenhouse, brought a rifle to Kenosha, Wisconsin, in order, it appears, to protect the businesses that were being burned down or ransacked by rioters after the police shooting of alleged rapist, Jacob Blake. In a series of skirmishes between Rittenhouse and BLM and Antifa activists on the streets of Kenosha, three men pursuing Rittenhouse were shot and two killed by the vigilante in what appears to be some kind of self-defense.

I’m doing my best to convey the gist of what happened — and there’s an excellent, detailed report of the incident from the NYT — without justifying any of it. No excuse for vigilantism; no excuse for looting, rioting and arson. The truth is: even a few minutes of chaos and violence can contain a universe of confusing events, motives and dynamics that are extremely hard to parse immediately. And yet it is the imperative of our current culture that we defend one side as blameless and the other as the source of all evil.

In the current chaos, I’ve come to appreciate Marcus Aurelius’s maxim that “The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” And I have to say I’m horribly conflicted on some issues. I’m supportive of attempts to interrogate the sins of the past, in particular the gruesome legacy of slavery and segregation, and their persistent impact on the present. And in that sense, I’m a supporter of the motives of the good folks involved with the Black Lives Matter movement. But I’m equally repelled by the insistent attempt by BLM and its ideological founders to malign and dismiss the huge progress we’ve made, to re-describe the American experiment in freedom as one utterly defined by racism, and to call the most tolerant country on the planet, with unprecedented demographic diversity, a form of “white supremacy”. I’m tired of hearing Kamala Harris say, as she did yesterday: “The reality is that the life of a black person in America has never been treated as fully human.” This is what Trump has long defended as “truthful hyperbole” — which is a euphemism for a lie.  

But here’s one thing I have absolutely no conflict about. Rioting and lawlessness is evil. And any civil authority that permits, condones or dismisses violence, looting and mayhem in the streets disqualifies itself from any legitimacy. This comes first. If one party supports everything I believe in but doesn’t believe in maintaining law and order all the time and everywhere, I’ll back a party that does. In that sense, I’m a one-issue voter, because without order, there is no room for any other issue. Disorder always and everywhere begets more disorder; the minute the authorities appear to permit such violence, it is destined to grow. And if liberals do not defend order, fascists will. ...

 
The Trap The Democrats Walked Right Into

"If law and order are what this election is about, they will lose it."
I don't think Democrats understand the psyche of people who vote out of fear.

Democrats seem to think that protests help their cause (because it energizes liberals to vote). But the real effect is just the opposite: it energizes fearful conservatives and independents.

Trump is going to exploit (and stoke) that fear to win Michigan, Wisconsin, Arizona and probably Florida.

The saddest part about this is that there's no downside to stoking racial divide and even inciting violence. There's no incentive for Trump to quell the unrest or reform the police. Trump wins no matter what happens, and he knows it. He'll take credit for anything good that happens, and blame others for anything bad.

 
It finally happened. We have lethal battles in the streets between the two tribes of our polarized politics. This week, a 17-year-old man, Kyle Rittenhouse, brought a rifle to Kenosha, Wisconsin, in order, it appears, to protect the businesses that were being burned down or ransacked by rioters after the police shooting of alleged rapist, Jacob Blake. In a series of skirmishes between Rittenhouse and BLM and Antifa activists on the streets of Kenosha, three men pursuing Rittenhouse were shot and two killed by the vigilante in what appears to be some kind of self-defense.
brought a rifle to Kenosha - apparently false.    NYT and others report this transport action without proof, but Rittenhouse's attorney and others now indicating the rifle was being carried by Rittenhouse legally in Wisconsin, an open carry state, and was not brought to Wisconsin from Illionois, but was owned by someone in Wisconsin and never crossed state lines. 

three men pursuing Rittenhouse - even a casual viewing of the entire series of events, all captured on video, show much more than three men pursuing.    The first shooting is not featured prominently in the video, so much of the testimony will come down to witness statements.   The 2nd and 3rd, however are clearly documented, and Rittenhouse was clearly acting in self defense against both individuals, one who attacked him and the 2nd who was brandishing a handgun and charged him, and later admitted to his friend that he regretted not shooting Rittenhouse. 

Rittenhouse's attorney, who has given several interviews already, appears to be ready to take the case to trial immediately (although obviously it will be months before it gets there) in a clear case of self defense.

 
brought a rifle to Kenosha - apparently false.    NYT and others report this transport action without proof, but Rittenhouse's attorney and others now indicating the rifle was being carried by Rittenhouse legally in Wisconsin, an open carry state, and was not brought to Wisconsin from Illionois, but was owned by someone in Wisconsin and never crossed state lines. 
Wisconsin state law

"Any person under 18 years of age who possesses or goes armed with a dangerous weapon is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor."

 
spodog said:
three men pursuing Rittenhouse - even a casual viewing of the entire series of events, all captured on video, show much more than three men pursuing.    The first shooting is not featured prominently in the video, so much of the testimony will come down to witness statements.   The 2nd and 3rd, however are clearly documented, and Rittenhouse was clearly acting in self defense against both individuals, one who attacked him and the 2nd who was brandishing a handgun and charged him, and later admitted to his friend that he regretted not shooting Rittenhouse. 

Rittenhouse's attorney, who has given several interviews already, appears to be ready to take the case to trial immediately (although obviously it will be months before it gets there) in a clear case of self defense.
Pretty apparent what's going on here, basically championing someone involved in political violence. Do you have a link for this information by any chance?

 
Joe Summer said:
Wisconsin state law

"Any person under 18 years of age who possesses or goes armed with a dangerous weapon is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor."
I'm quoting attorney John Pierce here.    His statement I believe was "legally in his possession".    I'm not an attorney, so will leave it for them to sort out.

You may be correct, however, that after the felony charges are dropped or defeated in court, that Rittenhouse may be left facing this misdemeanor charge.   

 
Pretty apparent what's going on here, basically championing someone involved in political violence. Do you have a link for this information by any chance?
Not sure what information you are referring to, but the videos are in thousands of locations on the internet now. 

The NY Times has an edited version, which is not as graphic as the raw video, here:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/27/us/kyle-rittenhouse-kenosha-shooting-video.html

2 angles on shooting #2 and shooting #3 are here (both are graphic): 

https://www.#####ute.com/video/KDV4Jp0OQgpD/
https://www.#####ute.com/video/ofZ2ZkseJVZr/

Not really championing anyone here.   I would prefer none of this nonsense were occurring.   All involved were in violation of a curfew.    All involved appear to be letting emotion and rage govern their actions.    I find the entire sequence of events in Kenosha disheartening and a massively sad reflection of where we are in the country at the moment.     Turning this kid into some type of vigilante racist or convicting him based off of uninformed opinion pieces written in the first 48 hours after the event is uncalled for however.     Let the legal process take it's course.     We are supposed to be a nation of laws, but that seems questionable this summer. 

 
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All involved were in violation of a curfew. 
I don't see this talking point gaining much traction. People had reason to believe that the curfew had been lifted, as the police specifically thanked some of the violators for being present.

 

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