NBA BTTF III - Draft Over! War of attrition underway... (1 Viewer)

[Yo Mama]

It's also possible to do your combing over before you are on the clock and make a short list as it gets closer.

Oh, and the 5th round reversal can bite me.

You have it so hard, with your Kevin Durants and Dwyane Wades.

I know, right?

 

[Eephus]

Markieff Morris

I'm EST until tomorrow

 

[jomar]

Jeff Green SF

PG - Michael Carter Williams

SG -

SF - Jeff Green

PF - David Lee

C - Anthony Davis

 

[rodg12]

Just got out of a meeting and debating between a couple guys. Will have my pick shortly.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

Real glad Zbo got picked. Would have been hard to pass on him in the 4th, but as much as I love his real life game it's not super ideal for the SIM. Annoyed that Taj was taken.

Also regarding the Greek Freak vs Randolph and Miller, the thing that really separates him is his jump shot and decision making. GF is already a 35% 3 point shooter and looks to set his teammates up. AR has fantastic handles but he's dumb as a rock and Miles doesn't have one NBA skill. I'll peg him at 12-10 ppg, 7 rebs, 3.5 ast. Nic Batum lite.

As a 19 yo Miles averaged 9.4 pts, 5.9 reb, 1.2 ast, 1.5 blk, and .6 stl in 26 MPG, and shot over 50% from the field.

NBA skills weren't Miles' problem.

Athleticism...running and dunking. He couldn't dribble, pass, or shoot.

I watched most every game of his first couple of years and disagree, he had all those tools. He even shot 35% from 16ft - 3pt range as rookie (hardly taking any 3 pointers at all) so among close watchers of the team at that stage we all thought he was likely to eventually develop into a decent shooter. He'd get out of control at times but was electric putting the ball on the floor and taking people of the dribble or going end to end in transition.

 

[rodg12]

Not exactly the route I was planning to go with this pick, but like the fit with my squad.

4.23 - Jose Calderon, PG, NYK

PG - Jose Calderon

SG - Monta Ellis

SF - Lebron James

PF - ?????

C - Jonas Valancuinas

 

[No. 16]

Not exactly the route I was planning to go with this pick, but like the fit with my squad.

4.23 - Jose Calderon, PG, NYK

PG - Jose Calderon

SG - Monta Ellis

SF - Lebron James

PF - ?????

C - Jonas Valancuinas

Was wondering why he hasn't been taken especially considering some of the scrubs that went on that PG run.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Not exactly the route I was planning to go with this pick, but like the fit with my squad.

4.23 - Jose Calderon, PG, NYK

PG - Jose Calderon

SG - Monta Ellis

SF - Lebron James

PF - ?????

C - Jonas Valancuinas

Obviously I have no idea how the sim works, but I like Calderon a lot here. I was gonna take him early in this round before deciding to swing for the fences on Collison as a full-time starter in Sacramento. I think he's gonna have a good year in NY.

 

[Yo Mama]

Yo Mama selects:

4.24 - Nikola Pekovic, C Min

PG - Ty Lawson

SG - Dwyane Wade

SF - Kevin Durant

PF -

C - Nikola Pekovic

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

5.01 - Larry Sanders, PF/C

 

[Abraham]

Yo Mama selects:

4.24 - Nikola Pekovic, C Min

PG - Ty Lawson

SG - Dwyane Wade

SF - Kevin Durant

PF -

C - Nikola Pekovic

There is the other guy I was considering.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

4.18 slapdash Luol Deng SF
4.19 sammy David West PF
4.20 no 16 Danny Green SG
4.21 eephus Markieff Morris PF
4.22 jomar Jeff Green SF
4.23 rodg12 Jose Calderon PG
4.24 yo mama Nikola Pekovic C
5.01 tre Larry Sanders PF
5.02 kraft OTC
5.03 kev
5.04 arsenal
5.05 funke
5.06 abe
5.07 coyote
5.08 sparty
5.09 moops

 

[Kev4029]

Yo Mama selects:

4.24 - Nikola Pekovic, C Min

PG - Ty Lawson

SG - Dwyane Wade

SF - Kevin Durant

PF -

C - Nikola Pekovic

That's a pretty nice score for the last pick of the 4th. He'll probably be the center of the offense with Love out of town, so as long as he can stay on the court he'll be an awesome value.

 

[Spartans Rule]

5.01 - Larry Sanders, PF/C

Seems like a good risk to take here. Last year I got sniped on him and had to settle for Ty Lawson.

 

[Kraft...]

5.01 - Larry Sanders, PF/C

WOW, I had him locked in once Yo Mama didn't take him.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

5.01 - Larry Sanders, PF/C

WOW, I had him locked in once Yo Mama didn't take him.

Pretty excited about having some defense this year.

 

[Yo Mama]

I was debating between Pek and Sanders.

 

[Spartans Rule]

Not exactly the route I was planning to go with this pick, but like the fit with my squad.

4.23 - Jose Calderon, PG, NYK

PG - Jose Calderon

SG - Monta Ellis

SF - Lebron James

PF - ?????

C - Jonas Valancuinas

If he made it back to my 5th rounder, I'd have been mad I took Teague. He's really good value here.

 

[Kev4029]

I was debating between Pek and Sanders.

I think Pek is the better pick because of his high floor, Sanders could very well end up the better player this year though. I had a short list of 4 since Jomar picked and those were two of the four guys on it.

 

[rodg12]

5.01 - Larry Sanders, PF/C

Seems like a good risk to take here. Last year I got sniped on him and had to settle for Ty Lawson.

And this, folks, is exhibit A of why my team sucked last year even though I had a high pick.

 

[Frostillicus]

So who's better, Amir Johnson or Taj Gibson? Haven't watched either of them much but they were both on my short list due to rankings. Amir got picked right before me. Did I lose out?

I probably would have taken Gibson if it was a simple choice between the two, but Johnson fit what my team needed better.

 

[rodg12]

Was down to Pek or Calderon for me. That's who I was debating. Ended up just not liking the fit of Pek with Jonas. IRL it would be an awful pairing, but it might have worked in the SIM.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Not exactly the route I was planning to go with this pick, but like the fit with my squad.

4.23 - Jose Calderon, PG, NYK

PG - Jose Calderon

SG - Monta Ellis

SF - Lebron James

PF - ?????

C - Jonas Valancuinas

If he made it back to my 5th rounder, I'd have been mad I took Teague. He's really good value here.

Was considering Jose back when I took George Hill. Sounds like I would have got more love from the masses for Jose. I went for the 20+ points in defense vs the better assist rate. Guess I'm a little "bad-D" gunshy.

Pek is another no D guy so I had ranked lower. He'll get lots of shots and rebounds though.

 

[No. 16]

Was down to Pek or Calderon for me. That's who I was debating. Ended up just not liking the fit of Pek with Jonas. IRL it would be an awful pairing, but it might have worked in the SIM.

SIM wise Pek/Jonas would have been fine as it really doesn't take floor spacing into account (just %). However, I like you still like to build my teams that would fit well together in real life.

 

[Spartans Rule]

I went for the 20+ points in defense vs the better assist rate. Guess I'm a little "bad-D" gunshy.

I don't look at much at the D ratings because I don't trust them.

That said, a 32-year-old Jose Calderon, playing for the Knicks who were awful defensively even before they dumped Tyson Chandler... I really don't see how that could possibly end in a good D rating.

 

[No. 16]

Not exactly the route I was planning to go with this pick, but like the fit with my squad.

4.23 - Jose Calderon, PG, NYK

PG - Jose Calderon

SG - Monta Ellis

SF - Lebron James

PF - ?????

C - Jonas Valancuinas

If he made it back to my 5th rounder, I'd have been mad I took Teague. He's really good value here.

Was considering Jose back when I took George Hill. Sounds like I would have got more love from the masses for Jose. I went for the 20+ points in defense vs the better assist rate. Guess I'm a little "bad-D" gunshy.

Pek is another no D guy so I had ranked lower. He'll get lots of shots and rebounds though.

Yah I can see why he slipped depending on your love for DEF, but I probably would have taken him over Collison, Hill, Teague, and Rubio because his offense is so good.

 

[Kraft...]

Slightly tilting, so many boring centers out there, going to take a stab here

5.02 - JaVale McGee

 

[Abraham]

Kraft is in the thread. KRAFTW IS IN THE ITHREAF

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Was down to Pek or Calderon for me. That's who I was debating. Ended up just not liking the fit of Pek with Jonas. IRL it would be an awful pairing, but it might have worked in the SIM.

SIM wise Pek/Jonas would have been fine as it really doesn't take floor spacing into account (just %). However, I like you still like to build my teams that would fit well together in real life.

Last year their total defense would have been 60 (22+38).

 

[Spartans Rule]

SIM wise Pek/Jonas would have been fine as it really doesn't take floor spacing into account (just %).

Floor spacing sort of matters in that you can use the defensive adjustments to cover more inside or outside. However I don't think it makes much difference unless someone really takes it to the illogical extreme (having no shooters, or having all spot-up shooters and no one who scores in the paint).

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

I went for the 20+ points in defense vs the better assist rate. Guess I'm a little "bad-D" gunshy.

I don't look at much at the D ratings because I don't trust them.

That said, a 32-year-old Jose Calderon, playing for the Knicks who were awful defensively even before they dumped Tyson Chandler... I really don't see how that could possibly end in a good D rating.

When they're pretty much the same for 3-4 years I take it into account a little more, but I'm with you. And yeah, Jose isn't going to have a good rating pretty much no matter what in NYC.

 

[Kev4029]

5.03 Paul Pierce, SF
I really liked Paul Pierce in the sim last year, he had 100% at SG, SF and PF and doesn't kill you on the defensive end. I think one of the keys to having a good team drafting at the back end of the first round is to have a handful of shooters, so Pierce should help there.

PG: Derrick Rose
SG: Wes Matthews
SF: Jimmy Butler
PF: Paul Pierce
C: Marc Gasol

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Slightly tilting, so many boring centers out there, going to take a stab here

5.02 - JaVale McGee

bwahahaha

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

Tobias Harris F

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

4.22 jomar Jeff Green SF
4.23 rodg12 Jose Calderon PG
4.24 yo mama Nikola Pekovic C
5.01 tre Larry Sanders PF
5.02 kraft Javale McGee C
5.03 kev Paul Pierce PF
5.04 arsenal Tobias Harris F
5.05 funke
5.06 abe
5.07 coyote
5.08 sparty
5.09 moops

 

[Abraham]

I have a call in 8 minutes. So if funke doesn't pick quit i will need some time.

 

[Kev4029]

I have a call in 8 minutes. So if funke doesn't pick quit i will need some time.

Leave a list of two with me.

 

[Abraham]

I have a call in 8 minutes. So if funke doesn't pick quit i will need some time.

Leave a list of two with me.

No.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Let's make it "freakishly long Milwaukee Bucks with upside" day

5.05: John Henson, PF/C

PG: Darren Collison

SG; Nik Batum

SF: Trevor Ariza

PF: John Henson

C: Al Horford

That's the least flashy starting 5 I've ever seen. Makes the Jazz look exciting by comparison.

 

[Spartans Rule]

Tobias Harris F

This was kind of freaky. I searched the thread to make sure he was available right as you picked him.

 

[No. 16]

Real glad Zbo got picked. Would have been hard to pass on him in the 4th, but as much as I love his real life game it's not super ideal for the SIM. Annoyed that Taj was taken.

Also regarding the Greek Freak vs Randolph and Miller, the thing that really separates him is his jump shot and decision making. GF is already a 35% 3 point shooter and looks to set his teammates up. AR has fantastic handles but he's dumb as a rock and Miles doesn't have one NBA skill. I'll peg him at 12-10 ppg, 7 rebs, 3.5 ast. Nic Batum lite.

As a 19 yo Miles averaged 9.4 pts, 5.9 reb, 1.2 ast, 1.5 blk, and .6 stl in 26 MPG, and shot over 50% from the field.

NBA skills weren't Miles' problem.

Athleticism...running and dunking. He couldn't dribble, pass, or shoot.

I watched most every game of his first couple of years and disagree, he had all those tools. He even shot 35% from 16ft - 3pt range as rookie (hardly taking any 3 pointers at all) so among close watchers of the team at that stage we all thought he was likely to eventually develop into a decent shooter. He'd get out of control at times but was electric putting the ball on the floor and taking people of the dribble or going end to end in transition.

Thus....running and dunking.

He didn't even attempt 3 pointers (131 for his CAREER), his FT% was <60%, and that 16-3pt range shot was 36% for his career (NBA avg is around ~38%) so it's pretty safe to say he couldn't shoot.

He had a high of 2.6 AST per game (career 1.9 ast per game). If you want to compare AST%, his career 12.6 AST% is less than Carmelo Anthony (15.8 AST%). Oh an he averaged more TO than AST for his career (2 vs 1.9). So I think it's pretty safe to say he couldn't pass either.

I was living in SoCal at that time so I adopted those Clippers as my second team (F THE LAKERS!! Brand, Q, Odom, Miles, Magg) and watched them as much as a college kid could. He was a freak athlete, but had nothing else to his game. That's why he disappeared after he hurt his knee.

 

[No. 16]

Was down to Pek or Calderon for me. That's who I was debating. Ended up just not liking the fit of Pek with Jonas. IRL it would be an awful pairing, but it might have worked in the SIM.

SIM wise Pek/Jonas would have been fine as it really doesn't take floor spacing into account (just %). However, I like you still like to build my teams that would fit well together in real life.

Last year their total defense would have been 60 (22+38).

Yah...that would give me pause for interior players. I was thinking more offensively.

 

[Abraham]

It had to happen!

Kevin Martin - SG - TWolves

 

[No. 16]

Loving the Paul Pierce and John Henson picks. Those were the guys I was hoping I could get at 5/6.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

Real glad Zbo got picked. Would have been hard to pass on him in the 4th, but as much as I love his real life game it's not super ideal for the SIM. Annoyed that Taj was taken.

Also regarding the Greek Freak vs Randolph and Miller, the thing that really separates him is his jump shot and decision making. GF is already a 35% 3 point shooter and looks to set his teammates up. AR has fantastic handles but he's dumb as a rock and Miles doesn't have one NBA skill. I'll peg him at 12-10 ppg, 7 rebs, 3.5 ast. Nic Batum lite.

As a 19 yo Miles averaged 9.4 pts, 5.9 reb, 1.2 ast, 1.5 blk, and .6 stl in 26 MPG, and shot over 50% from the field.

NBA skills weren't Miles' problem.

Athleticism...running and dunking. He couldn't dribble, pass, or shoot.

I watched most every game of his first couple of years and disagree, he had all those tools. He even shot 35% from 16ft - 3pt range as rookie (hardly taking any 3 pointers at all) so among close watchers of the team at that stage we all thought he was likely to eventually develop into a decent shooter. He'd get out of control at times but was electric putting the ball on the floor and taking people of the dribble or going end to end in transition.

Thus....running and dunking.

He didn't even attempt 3 pointers (131 for his CAREER), his FT% was <60%, and that 16-3pt range shot was 36% for his career (NBA avg is around ~38%) so it's pretty safe to say he couldn't shoot.

He had a high of 2.6 AST per game (career 1.9 ast per game). If you want to compare AST%, his career 12.6 AST% is less than Carmelo Anthony (15.8 AST%). Oh an he averaged more TO than AST for his career (2 vs 1.9). So I think it's pretty safe to say he couldn't pass either.

I was living in SoCal at that time so I adopted those Clippers as my second team (F THE LAKERS!! Brand, Q, Odom, Miles, Magg) and watched them as much as a college kid could. He was a freak athlete, but had nothing else to his game. That's why he disappeared after he hurt his knee.

I feel like you aren't understanding the whole point of the conversation.

 

[Sammy3469]

Loving the Paul Pierce and John Henson picks. Those were the guys I was hoping I could get at 5/6.

So your saying they are reaches!

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

1.01 yo mama Kevin Durant SF
1.02 rodg12 Lebron James SF
1.03 jomar Anthony Davis C
1.04 eephus Kevin Love PF
1.05 no 16 Steph Curry PG
1.06 sammy Carmelo Anthony SF
1.07 slapdash Chris Paul PG
1.08 timschochet Russell Westbrook PG
1.09 frosty John Wall PG
1.10 pump James Harden SG
1.11 grooovus Demarcus Cousins C
1.12 jb breakfast Blake Griffin PF
1.13 x Serge Ibaka PF
1.14 scoobus Andre Drummond C
1.15 jmon Kobe Bryant SG
1.16 moops Dwight Howard C
1.17 sparty Chris Bosh PF
1.18 coyote Lamarcus Aldridge PF
1.19 abe Al Jefferson C
1.20 funke Al Horford C
1.21 arsenal Joakim Noah C
1.22 kev Derrick Rose PG
1.23 kraft Dirk Nowitzki PF
1.24 tre Kawhi Leonard SF
2.01 tre Klay Thompson SG
2.02 kraft Kyle Lowry PG
2.03 kev Marc Gasol C
2.04 arsenal DeAndre Jordan C
2.05 funke Nic Batum SF
2.06 abe Kyrie Irving PG
2.07 coyote Damian Lillard PG
2.08 sparty Goran Dragic PG
2.09 moops Josh Smith PF
2.10 jmon Rajon Rondo PG
2.11 scoobus Brook Lopez C
2.12 x Paul Millsap PF
2.13 jb breakfast Gordon Hayward SG/SF
2.14 groovus Mike Conley PG
2.15 pump Deron Williams PG
2.16 frosty Greg Monroe PF
2.17 timschochet Tim Duncan Old
2.18 slapdash DeMar DeRozan DeSG
2.19 sammy Marcin Gortat C
2.20 no 16 Lance Stephenson SG
2.21 eephus Derrick Favors C
2.22 jomar David Lee PF
2.23 rodg12 Jonas Valanciunas C
2.24 yo mama Ty Lawson PG
3.01 yo mama Dwyane Wade SG
3.02 rodg12 Monta Ellis SG
3.03 jomar Michael Carter Williams PG
3.04 eephus Kemba Walker PG
3.05 no 16 Bradley Beal SG
3.06 sammy Chandler Parsons SF
3.07 slapdash Pau Gasol PF
3.08 timschochet Tony Parker PG
3.09 frosty Eric Bledsoe SG
3.10 pump Kenneth Faried PF
3.11 grooovus Andrew Wiggins SF
3.12 jb breakfast Nikola Vucevic C
3.13 x Jrue Holiday PG
3.14 scoobus Isaiah Thomas PG
3.15 jmon Jabari Parker SF
3.16 moops Ricky Rubio PG
3.17 sparty Jeff Teague PG
3.18 coyote Victor Oladipo G
3.19 abe Rudy Gay SF
3.20 funke Trevor Ariza SF
3.21 arsenal Tyreke Evans SF
3.22 kev Wes Matthews SG
3.23 kraft Thad Young PF
3.24 tre George Hill PG
4.01 tre Roy Hibbert C
4.02 kraft Aaron Afflalo SG
4.03 kev Jimmy Butler SF
4.04 arsenal Danilo Gallinari SF
4.05 funke Darren Collison PG
4.06 abe Nerlens Noel C
4.07 coyote Giannis Antetokounmpo SF
4.08 sparty Tyson Chandler C
4.09 moops Andre Iguodala SF
4.1 jmon Ryan Anderson PF
4.11 scoobus Terrence Jones PF
4.12 x Zach Randolph PF
4.13 jb breakfast Kyle Korver SF
4.14 groovus Jordan Hill PF
4.15 pump Robin Lopez C
4.16 frosty Amir Johnson PF
4.17 timschochet Taj Gibson PF
4.18 slapdash Luol Deng SF
4.19 sammy David West PF
4.20 no 16 Danny Green SG
4.21 eephus Markieff Morris PF
4.22 jomar Jeff Green SF
4.23 rodg12 Jose Calderon PG
4.24 yo mama Nikola Pekovic C
5.01 tre Larry Sanders PF
5.02 kraft Javale McGee C
5.03 kev Paul Pierce PF
5.04 arsenal Tobias Harris F
5.05 funke John Henson PF
5.06 abe Kevin Martin SG
5.07 coyote OTC until 4:59 central
5.08 sparty
5.09 moops
5.10 jmon

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Coyote PM'd

 

[Kraft...]

so the whole draft flips after round 5 not just round 5? is that right?

 

[Spartans Rule]

so the whole draft flips after round 5 not just round 5? is that right?

Right. Your next pick is 6.23.