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Yeah, bummer on several fronts. First and foremost, I sincerely hope Mr. Hayes is okay. Secondarily, it stings as a Kings fan, as I anticipated him doing the necessary dirty work in the post and bringing some needed toughness to the team.
So what next for the Kings? They have to sign somebody right?
Yeah, I think so, but who can they land that would help? With no Hayes, J Thompson and H Whiteside have a shot at more minutes (particularly the former). They just brought in Outlaw, not sure if he has much to offer.As it stands right now; Hickson, Thompson and Cousins are the primary rotation for PF/C. The toughness of Hayes would have really helped this group, imo.ETA: Dalembert is still supposedly an option.
Seriously. Made the thread unreadable.
It's better than Abraham and his superunrealistic trade ideas
Link? I haven't seen anything.
Any rumors on what the deal is gonna be?
Hopefully Kevin Martin won't be involved
Arbitrary because you discounted players who were barely behind Martin in those categories and seemed to imply that Kobe was the only one who you would consider Martin's closest challenger when in fact at least a few others were better than Kobe. And like I said, you can't just look at per minute numbers - you have to factor in number of minutes played where Martin falls behind everyone I listed.
I've won't be discussing Kevin Martin anymore after this, but I disagree with this premise too. Martin isn't getting open on his own; he significantly relies on screens. Most valuable to a team is a player who attracts other defenders either via dribble penetration or a post up necessitating a double team which results in an open shot.
i saw it on rotoworld
I cant see how a Lopez/Morrow/middling first round picks gets Howard. That is a terrible deal.
Clock's ticking.
That same god-awful deal will be there in a sign and trade when Dwight wants his extra 30 million in July.Edit: but Otis Smith doesn't know that.Clock's ticking.
Andrew Bynum or Pau Gasol and some ####ty Laker picks is a better deal. Lopez is a nice ballplayer, but he just isnt anything to get excited over.Clock's ticking.
Agree with this. Nets rumored Lopez, etc. deal is really bad IMO. I don't see how waiting wouldn't help. Shoot, I'd even rather roll the dice with a Bynum centered deal. Maybe the logic is that the Lopez deal puts them further into rebuild/lottery mode?That same god-awful deal will be there in a sign and trade when Dwight wants his extra 30 million in July.Edit: but Otis Smith doesn't know that.Clock's ticking.
It's crazy to me to think even Otis would be dumb enough to sign Davis and JRich to contracts two weeks before he then trades Dwight. Those signings indicated that he at least wanted to give it a run for 40 games. God I hate him.Agree with this. Nets rumored Lopez, etc. deal is really bad IMO. I don't see how waiting wouldn't help. Shoot, I'd even rather roll the dice with a Bynum centered deal. Maybe the logic is that the Lopez deal puts them further into rebuild/lottery mode?That same god-awful deal will be there in a sign and trade when Dwight wants his extra 30 million in July.Edit: but Otis Smith doesn't know that.Clock's ticking.
You are obsessed.If it cost them Lopez they would be starting Petro at C. He is beyond awful.Deron, Martin, James, Scola, Petro is a 10 seed. And that may be generous.
If he is the starting PG the Hornets are going to be brutal, he is much better suited for the role he had last year with NO, 20 mpg split between PG and SG.I would really like for Jarrett Jack to stay where he is
They are very close to the cap after Nene and Afflalo, but the only moves they made this offseason were either minimum salary (Carroll), Rookie signings (Faried and Hamilton), their own free agents (Afflalo and Nene) and the Brewer/Fernandez trade using part of the trade exception from the Melo deal last season. Because of that, they were able to keep Bird Rights on Martin and Smith and extended the qualifying offer to Chandler so they could still offer all three of them max contracts if the so chose. I'm not sure how much the Nuggets are willing to spend this season, but I would imagine as long as they stay under the luxury tax line the ownership (Stan Kronke and Baby Kronke) won't make a fuss. I would assume that would allow them to give Chandler a fair market deal (4/25-30ish) and hopefully give Martin something like 2/10.ETA: Using 7.5% raises each year Afflalo's salary this year should be right about $7.4m and Nene's should be right around $11.5m, so the Nuggets have about $56m in committed salary (assuming they keep Carroll's $750k salary) . That would leave them about $14m, I think, to spend on Chandler/Martin/Smith when they can come back. With the 4/30 and 2/10 contracts I proposed they would only hit about $68m.
I wasn't sure what Denver was going to look like this year, but if this team can get some chemistry and figure out what scoring combos work, they could be a very scary team to play in this shortened season. Just when I was going to try and stay away from the NBA to boycott the stupidity of the lock-out, they drag me right back in.
I think for them to make any real noise they'll need to have either Lawson or Gallo step up and become the best player on the team. And to be competitive into the next half decade they have to flip some of this talent because Gallo is going to be looking for an extension prior to next season and Lawson will be looking for one the following season and I doubt they can afford paying Nene's and Afflalo's contracts while also giving long deals to Gallo and Lawson and keeping around any significant depth. They could give a team like the Lakers a huge boost in March with a giant sign and trade of Martin, Chandler and Smith for Bynum.... or maybe Miller, Martin and Chandler.I wasn't sure what Denver was going to look like this year, but if this team can get some chemistry and figure out what scoring combos work, they could be a very scary team to play in this shortened season. Just when I was going to try and stay away from the NBA to boycott the stupidity of the lock-out, they drag me right back in.
We'll pass.
Just throwing out ideas. The Miller/Martin/Chandler trad gives them a much better PG and SF, upgrades their center (moving Pau to center for Bynum) but gives them a pretty big blow at PF. IMO, the giant step up from Fisher/Blake to Miller and the moderate step up from Barnes/MWP to Chandler more than offsets the downgrade at PF. If the Lakers don't get Howard, they got to start looking at winning now, not a few years from now, my pretend trade that would probably never happen makes them quite a bit better in 2011.On another note, the NBA play may be a little sloppy because of the lockout and shortened training camp, but Kobe's scowl is in mid season form.
Wouldn't you be scowling after losing half your ####?
I would expect Chandler to want AT LEAST an Afflalo type deal.
He'll be taking the qualifying offer this year and waiting until the offseason then. Afflalo is a much better player at this point, IMO and has a much better head on his shoulders (I'm don't mean this like Beasley where hes loafing around, but more like Delante West where I think he actually might be a little crazy). I think Chandler is a better fit as a 6th man that can play SG, SF, and PF because he is so athletic that he can run with a second unit (making the assumption that most second units run more) and is excellent at creating shots with only average efficiency.
Yep, that's why he and Billups (even though he was bid on) were pushing so hard to have nobody bid on them.
Chandler could be a little crazy. I know you love Afflalo, but I think Chandler has more a chance to be a #2 option on a team than Afflalo ever will. Looking at that lineup I think they need him badly. Chandler will also have his recent trip to China and his 33ppg dancing in his head too.
For this system to work, these lesser teams need to bid on these types of players. I don't like how easily some of these guys are able to just go wherever they want so far.
And next year Baron can sign for the full MLE if Knicks want him and make another 5M added to the millions the Cavs are paying him. So funny
Who?...so far its the Clippers submitting the highest bid for Billups before they pulled off the Paul trade, Outlaw who the Kings claimed, and injured Davis passing through waivers (who got traded for a bag of beans last year) plus a couple of other guys like Arenas still sitting on the crapheap. I actually think some of these other teams are waiting on the Chinese 4 (Brooks, Chandler, Smith, and Kenyon) to return and give them decent contracts.
Nah. Mediocre at best.
Maybe that's it, but to not have anyone bid the min on Davis seems very odd to me.
Let's analyze this some more
Rumors were he was hurt for up to two months
