*NBA THREAD* Abe will be missed (8 Viewers)

[Mile High]

If Love is a top 5-10 player what's Clevelands hold up with including Wiggins, other then trying to get over on Minnesota.

I honestly think the sides are far apart. As crazy as it may seem, the Cavs are in more of a hurry. The Wolves should still be able to ship Love out for decent value up until the deadline. (Though there is risk with this strategy)No harm in seeing if you can get a little something more out of Cleveland or GS or somebody else.

If I was Minnesota I would wait. Why hand over a top 5-10 player for scraps to a division rival so they win championships.

 

[Captain Quinoa]

I have literally not seen a single person speculate that Lebron might be a Clipper in a couple years. And that was still the most coherent part of your post.

You guys haven't seen the speculation that Lebron will sign with the Clippers to play with Chris Paul once the Sterling situation sorts itself out? And you claim to actually pay attention to this stuff?

Correct. I mean, I'm sure some Clipper fans are speculating the hell out of this. But otherwise no.

 

[DrJ]

If I'm Cleveland I get Irving extended and keep Wiggins in the fold. Keep money to sign max FA next season. Keep maximum flexibility no matter what Lebron decides he wants to do. You can sign Love next offseason. If Lebron bolts, you have room for Durant too. There's no reason to mortgage everything just for Lebron, especially when he has kept maximum flexibility himself and hasn't gone all in on your franchise.

 

[Mile High]

If Love is a top 5-10 player what's Clevelands hold up with including Wiggins, other then trying to get over on Minnesota.

They can sign him next year. All Love has to do is really want to play in Cleveland, like Lebron.

Make him sign there then.

 

[Captain Quinoa]

If Love is a top 5-10 player what's Clevelands hold up with including Wiggins, other then trying to get over on Minnesota.

I honestly think the sides are far apart. As crazy as it may seem, the Cavs are in more of a hurry. The Wolves should still be able to ship Love out for decent value up until the deadline. (Though there is risk with this strategy)No harm in seeing if you can get a little something more out of Cleveland or GS or somebody else.

The Wolves aren't getting dick at the deadline. A pick or two and salary filler, tops.

 

[Captain Quinoa]

If I'm Cleveland I get Irving extended and keep Wiggins in the fold. Keep money to sign max FA next season. Keep maximum flexibility no matter what Lebron decides he wants to do. You can sign Love next offseason. If Lebron bolts, you have room for Durant too. There's no reason to mortgage everything just for Lebron, especially when he has kept maximum flexibility himself and hasn't gone all in on your franchise.

Good idea on extending Irving. They should totally do that. Again.

Durant is not an FA next year.

And you claim to actually pay attention to this stuff?

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Lakers lose Kendall Marshall for nothing -- to clear cap space

And Nash, who can't get through an NBA game anymore, is scheduled to make $10 mil.

 

[Premier]

Man these last 10 posts are pure unfiltered stupidity.

 

[DrJ]

If I'm Cleveland I get Irving extended and keep Wiggins in the fold. Keep money to sign max FA next season. Keep maximum flexibility no matter what Lebron decides he wants to do. You can sign Love next offseason. If Lebron bolts, you have room for Durant too. There's no reason to mortgage everything just for Lebron, especially when he has kept maximum flexibility himself and hasn't gone all in on your franchise.

Good idea on extending Irving. They should totally do that. Again.

Durant is not an FA next year.

And you claim to actually pay attention to this stuff?

Love is next season, and Durant is the following season. You're an attractive option for everyone with Irving and Wiggins locked up. That's why Lebron signed there in the first place. And you have no idea what Lebron will do next year, or the year after that. No reason to go all in on him.

 

[Instinctive]

If I'm Cleveland I get Irving extended and keep Wiggins in the fold. Keep money to sign max FA next season. Keep maximum flexibility no matter what Lebron decides he wants to do. You can sign Love next offseason. If Lebron bolts, you have room for Durant too. There's no reason to mortgage everything just for Lebron, especially when he has kept maximum flexibility himself and hasn't gone all in on your franchise.

Irving is already extended. http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11200009/cleveland-cavaliers-announce-kyrie-irving-contract-extension

Unlikely they have room to sign a big time FA next year and fill out the team. LeBron and Kyrie alone is like $37 million, Bennett is another 6, Wiggins another 5-6. That's $48 million right there before any cap hold and other roster members. Probably have right around 19 million with projected cap increase next year. Waiters and Thompson each have holds around 6 or 7... Just seems unlikely to me.

 

[Moe.]

Stop quoting DrJ

 

[Abraham]

I have literally not seen a single person speculate that Lebron might be a Clipper in a couple years. And that was still the most coherent part of your post.

You guys haven't seen the speculation that Lebron will sign with the Clippers to play with Chris Paul once the Sterling situation sorts itself out? And you claim to actually pay attention to this stuff?

No. Not Once. And I follow this stuff like a crack addict.

 

[Premier]

I love that DrJ doesn't know that there is a salary cap.

 

[DrJ]

If I'm Cleveland I get Irving extended and keep Wiggins in the fold. Keep money to sign max FA next season. Keep maximum flexibility no matter what Lebron decides he wants to do. You can sign Love next offseason. If Lebron bolts, you have room for Durant too. There's no reason to mortgage everything just for Lebron, especially when he has kept maximum flexibility himself and hasn't gone all in on your franchise.

Irving is already extended. http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11200009/cleveland-cavaliers-announce-kyrie-irving-contract-extension

Unlikely they have room to sign a big time FA next year and fill out the team. LeBron and Kyrie alone is like $37 million, Bennett is another 6, Wiggins another 5-6. That's $48 million right there before any cap hold and other roster members. Probably have right around 19 million with projected cap increase next year. Waiters and Thompson each have holds around 6 or 7... Just seems unlikely to me.

Waiters and Bennett are team option next year according to this: http://hoopshype.com/salaries/cleveland.htm

They basically have nothing on the books other than Irving/Wiggins. And who knows what Lebron will do - he can opt out after this season.

 

[Bobcat10]

If I'm Cleveland I get Irving extended and keep Wiggins in the fold. Keep money to sign max FA next season. Keep maximum flexibility no matter what Lebron decides he wants to do. You can sign Love next offseason. If Lebron bolts, you have room for Durant too. There's no reason to mortgage everything just for Lebron, especially when he has kept maximum flexibility himself and hasn't gone all in on your franchise.

Irving is already extended. http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11200009/cleveland-cavaliers-announce-kyrie-irving-contract-extension

Unlikely they have room to sign a big time FA next year and fill out the team. LeBron and Kyrie alone is like $37 million, Bennett is another 6, Wiggins another 5-6. That's $48 million right there before any cap hold and other roster members. Probably have right around 19 million with projected cap increase next year. Waiters and Thompson each have holds around 6 or 7... Just seems unlikely to me.

What if Lebron opts out after this season? Maybe Todem can help us out there?

 

[DrJ]

I have literally not seen a single person speculate that Lebron might be a Clipper in a couple years. And that was still the most coherent part of your post.

You guys haven't seen the speculation that Lebron will sign with the Clippers to play with Chris Paul once the Sterling situation sorts itself out? And you claim to actually pay attention to this stuff?

No. Not Once. And I follow this stuff like a crack addict.

Wow...

 

[Kev4029]

Stop quoting DrJ

Agreed. As long as people don't quote him or Todem my viewing in this thread is significantly more enjoyable.

 

[Frostillicus]

Man these last 10 posts are pure unfiltered stupidity.

When did the Wolves move to the East?

 

[DrJ]

Stop quoting DrJ

Agreed. As long as people don't quote him or Todem my viewing in this thread is significantly more enjoyable.

From the guy that didn't even know how to put someone on ignore until I gave him instructions.

 

[GOB]

Man these last 10 posts are pure unfiltered stupidity.

When did the Wolves move to the East?

Idk but being a Wolves fan isn't as easy as it looks. People must be jealous of all the banners hanging in the rafters.

 

[Frostillicus]

Man these last 10 posts are pure unfiltered stupidity.

When did the Wolves move to the East?

Idk but being a Wolves fan isn't as easy as it looks. People must be jealous of all the banners hanging in the rafters.

It can be difficult. You've lasted longer than most.

 

[xulf]

Lebron leaves Miami for Cleveland for 1 yr then leaves...after that essay. Makes perfect sense for someone wanting to be a billionaire based on his name and reputation.

 

[BassNBrew]

An Interesting tidbit in regards to the K. Love negations.

David Griffin (Cav's GM) was previously an assistant GM in Phoenix reporting to guess who Steve Kerr. Who's to say that with a simple phone call they can stymie Flip's attempt to leverage one against the other. What's are the odds of Flip ending up with far less than he envisioned?

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David Griffin, the GM of the Cavs, was previously the assistant GM in Phoenix, reporting to, guess who, none other than Steve Kerr. They can easily stymie Minnesota's lame attempts to leverage one against the other with one phone call.

I don't think it matters what Griffin/Kerr do, it all comes down to what KING JAMES wants, I betting he wants to play with LOVE more then Wiggins and Bennett. I think deal is close just getting the cap/money numbers to work

And this is why James will never catch Jordan

 

[Abraham]

I have literally not seen a single person speculate that Lebron might be a Clipper in a couple years. And that was still the most coherent part of your post.

You guys haven't seen the speculation that Lebron will sign with the Clippers to play with Chris Paul once the Sterling situation sorts itself out? And you claim to actually pay attention to this stuff?

No. Not Once. And I follow this stuff like a crack addict.

Wow...

Glad I could set you straight.

 

[DrJ]

Lebron leaves Miami for Cleveland for 1 yr then leaves...after that essay. Makes perfect sense for someone wanting to be a billionaire based on his name and reputation.

I'm not sure if he does it this year (opts out), but the players are going to opt out of the CBA in 2017. It's clear they got ripped off. And Lebron is going to want to maintain maximum flexibility through that point. So he's basically signing a series of one year deals with "player options" until that hits. Cavs should just run their franchise as they see fit and enjoy what he's willing to give until 2017 though. You have no idea what this guy is going to do, other than what's best for Lebron.

 

[xulf]

Lebron leaves Miami for Cleveland for 1 yr then leaves...after that essay. Makes perfect sense for someone wanting to be a billionaire based on his name and reputation.

I'm not sure if he does it this year (opts out), but the players are going to opt out of the CBA in 2017. It's clear they got ripped off. And Lebron is going to want to maintain maximum flexibility through that point. So he's basically signing a series of one year deals with "player options" until that hits. Cavs should just run their franchise as they see fit and enjoy what he's willing to give until 2017 though. You have no idea what this guy is going to do, other than what's best for Lebron.

What's best for Lebron long-term financially is staying in Cleveland unless they really F something up.

 

[Frostillicus]

Lebron leaves Miami for Cleveland for 1 yr then leaves...after that essay. Makes perfect sense for someone wanting to be a billionaire based on his name and reputation.

I'm not sure if he does it this year (opts out), but the players are going to opt out of the CBA in 2017. It's clear they got ripped off. And Lebron is going to want to maintain maximum flexibility through that point. So he's basically signing a series of one year deals with "player options" until that hits. Cavs should just run their franchise as they see fit and enjoy what he's willing to give until 2017 though. You have no idea what this guy is going to do, other than what's best for Lebron.

How dare he do what's best for him?

 

[BassNBrew]

Did Jordan demand all the best players in the league be on his team or did he just let mgmt do their thing? I can't imagine Jordan clamoring for Rodman but I may be wrong.

 

[DrJ]

Lebron leaves Miami for Cleveland for 1 yr then leaves...after that essay. Makes perfect sense for someone wanting to be a billionaire based on his name and reputation.

I'm not sure if he does it this year (opts out), but the players are going to opt out of the CBA in 2017. It's clear they got ripped off. And Lebron is going to want to maintain maximum flexibility through that point. So he's basically signing a series of one year deals with "player options" until that hits. Cavs should just run their franchise as they see fit and enjoy what he's willing to give until 2017 though. You have no idea what this guy is going to do, other than what's best for Lebron.

What's best for Lebron long-term financially is staying in Cleveland unless they really F something up.

Great, well he was happy with what they had going in. So standing pat should be just fine.

 

[DrJ]

Lebron leaves Miami for Cleveland for 1 yr then leaves...after that essay. Makes perfect sense for someone wanting to be a billionaire based on his name and reputation.

I'm not sure if he does it this year (opts out), but the players are going to opt out of the CBA in 2017. It's clear they got ripped off. And Lebron is going to want to maintain maximum flexibility through that point. So he's basically signing a series of one year deals with "player options" until that hits. Cavs should just run their franchise as they see fit and enjoy what he's willing to give until 2017 though. You have no idea what this guy is going to do, other than what's best for Lebron.

How dare he do what's best for him?

No problem with that at all, but as a GM I'd be wary of his commitment to my organization.

 

[Abraham]

Did Jordan demand all the best players in the league be on his team or did he just let mgmt do their thing? I can't imagine Jordan clamoring for Rodman but I may be wrong.

Jordan's bodyguard actually was responsible for getting Rodman to practice on time. Mj was very much in charge of that situations.

 

[metoo]

Did Jordan demand all the best players in the league be on his team or did he just let mgmt do their thing? I can't imagine Jordan clamoring for Rodman but I may be wrong.

There were players Jordan wanted, management just ignored him and thats what the Cavs should do here. Love and Irving miss a lot and games and LeBron will be back in the same situation he was in Miami. The way the roster is currently constructed LeBron will be able to play less minutes and Wiggins can now guard the best guard or forward on the other team instead of LeBron always having to do it. If they make the trade they would not have a quality bench.

 

[DrJ]

Did Jordan demand all the best players in the league be on his team or did he just let mgmt do their thing? I can't imagine Jordan clamoring for Rodman but I may be wrong.

Jordan's bodyguard actually was responsible for getting Rodman to practice on time. Mj was very much in charge of that situations.

 

[Abraham]

Can't believe I'm responding to the troll.

 

[DrJ]

Wasn't Oakley Jordan's BFF?

 

[DrJ]

Can't believe I'm responding to the troll.

It's kind of disappointing you'd act like that, Abe.

 

[No. 16]

Think about this - these players are usually looking to sign long term deals. Especially guys that aren't guaranteed max guys, who can command these "player option" type contracts. They don't know when they might get some gigantic injury or whatever. The allure of playing with James for less money, or in pursuit of a title, wears off a little when you know that he might be a Clipper in 2 years like some speculate. So Love is probably going to want some sort of player option type contract himself.

And why give up a guy you have locked down pretty well for a while in Wiggins to structure this in a way the team might blow up in a Heat type fashion (or even worse - like if Bosh decided to go to Houston) in just a couple of years? It seems ridiculous to let a player dictate the future of your franchise. Even if he is Lebron James. If he means a word he's printed in his letter, there's no rush to make this trade just to make Lebron happy.

Yah it looks like we'll find out if LBJ is as good of a GM as he is a basketball player. Not a good sign for the CAVS IMO.

I can't imagine a worse situation for the Cavs than Lebron playing GM and forcing management's hand to acquire a top 5/10 player, of course other than not having Lebron on the team at all. That would probably be worse.

Yes because Mike Miller and James Jones are exactly what the Cavs needs.

 

[Kev4029]

Think about this - these players are usually looking to sign long term deals. Especially guys that aren't guaranteed max guys, who can command these "player option" type contracts. They don't know when they might get some gigantic injury or whatever. The allure of playing with James for less money, or in pursuit of a title, wears off a little when you know that he might be a Clipper in 2 years like some speculate. So Love is probably going to want some sort of player option type contract himself.

And why give up a guy you have locked down pretty well for a while in Wiggins to structure this in a way the team might blow up in a Heat type fashion (or even worse - like if Bosh decided to go to Houston) in just a couple of years? It seems ridiculous to let a player dictate the future of your franchise. Even if he is Lebron James. If he means a word he's printed in his letter, there's no rush to make this trade just to make Lebron happy.

Yah it looks like we'll find out if LBJ is as good of a GM as he is a basketball player. Not a good sign for the CAVS IMO.

I can't imagine a worse situation for the Cavs than Lebron playing GM and forcing management's hand to acquire a top 5/10 player, of course other than not having Lebron on the team at all. That would probably be worse.

Yes because Mike Miller and James Jones are exactly what the Cavs needs.

Mike Miller was a decent signing and Jones came cheap, they had to fill the roster with somebody. Are you suggesting they should just tell James to #### off, so he leaves again a year from now? I'm sure part of the agreement with signing him is he had a say in the personnel decisions.

 

[DrJ]

Think about this - these players are usually looking to sign long term deals. Especially guys that aren't guaranteed max guys, who can command these "player option" type contracts. They don't know when they might get some gigantic injury or whatever. The allure of playing with James for less money, or in pursuit of a title, wears off a little when you know that he might be a Clipper in 2 years like some speculate. So Love is probably going to want some sort of player option type contract himself.

And why give up a guy you have locked down pretty well for a while in Wiggins to structure this in a way the team might blow up in a Heat type fashion (or even worse - like if Bosh decided to go to Houston) in just a couple of years? It seems ridiculous to let a player dictate the future of your franchise. Even if he is Lebron James. If he means a word he's printed in his letter, there's no rush to make this trade just to make Lebron happy.

Yah it looks like we'll find out if LBJ is as good of a GM as he is a basketball player. Not a good sign for the CAVS IMO.

I can't imagine a worse situation for the Cavs than Lebron playing GM and forcing management's hand to acquire a top 5/10 player, of course other than not having Lebron on the team at all. That would probably be worse.

Yes because Mike Miller and James Jones are exactly what the Cavs needs.

Mike Miller was a decent signing and Jones came cheap, they had to fill the roster with somebody. Are you suggesting they should just tell James to #### off, so he leaves again a year from now? I'm sure part of the agreement with signing him is he had a say in the personnel decisions.

I'm sure part of his signing had to do with the guys currently on the roster lEven if they "do what he wants", he could just bolt because someone else has a better situation a year from now. There's no guarantee he's going to wallow in the mess he creates.

 

[metoo]

If I'm Cleveland I get Irving extended and keep Wiggins in the fold. Keep money to sign max FA next season. Keep maximum flexibility no matter what Lebron decides he wants to do. You can sign Love next offseason. If Lebron bolts, you have room for Durant too. There's no reason to mortgage everything just for Lebron, especially when he has kept maximum flexibility himself and hasn't gone all in on your franchise.

Irving is already extended. http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11200009/cleveland-cavaliers-announce-kyrie-irving-contract-extension

Unlikely they have room to sign a big time FA next year and fill out the team. LeBron and Kyrie alone is like $37 million, Bennett is another 6, Wiggins another 5-6. That's $48 million right there before any cap hold and other roster members. Probably have right around 19 million with projected cap increase next year. Waiters and Thompson each have holds around 6 or 7... Just seems unlikely to me.

LeBron will opt out again next summer and the Cavs will sign the FAs they can get before re-signing LeBron. Gilbert is willing to go over the salary cap so they should be fine.

 

[No. 16]

Think about this - these players are usually looking to sign long term deals. Especially guys that aren't guaranteed max guys, who can command these "player option" type contracts. They don't know when they might get some gigantic injury or whatever. The allure of playing with James for less money, or in pursuit of a title, wears off a little when you know that he might be a Clipper in 2 years like some speculate. So Love is probably going to want some sort of player option type contract himself.

And why give up a guy you have locked down pretty well for a while in Wiggins to structure this in a way the team might blow up in a Heat type fashion (or even worse - like if Bosh decided to go to Houston) in just a couple of years? It seems ridiculous to let a player dictate the future of your franchise. Even if he is Lebron James. If he means a word he's printed in his letter, there's no rush to make this trade just to make Lebron happy.

Yah it looks like we'll find out if LBJ is as good of a GM as he is a basketball player. Not a good sign for the CAVS IMO.

I can't imagine a worse situation for the Cavs than Lebron playing GM and forcing management's hand to acquire a top 5/10 player, of course other than not having Lebron on the team at all. That would probably be worse.

Yes because Mike Miller and James Jones are exactly what the Cavs needs.

Mike Miller was a decent signing and Jones came cheap, they had to fill the roster with somebody. Are you suggesting they should just tell James to #### off, so he leaves again a year from now? I'm sure part of the agreement with signing him is he had a say in the personnel decisions.

The constant fear of him leaving and making panicked decisions is why LBJ left in the first place. We'll see how it works out and what they give up for Wiggins.

Maybe it's impossible in this day and age, but the leaks of LBJ reaching out to Love can only hurt the Cavs in their trade talks. Not showing support for Wiggins has pretty much put him on the table for taking when he didn't need to be.

 

[Kev4029]

If I'm Cleveland I get Irving extended and keep Wiggins in the fold. Keep money to sign max FA next season. Keep maximum flexibility no matter what Lebron decides he wants to do. You can sign Love next offseason. If Lebron bolts, you have room for Durant too. There's no reason to mortgage everything just for Lebron, especially when he has kept maximum flexibility himself and hasn't gone all in on your franchise.

Irving is already extended. http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11200009/cleveland-cavaliers-announce-kyrie-irving-contract-extension

Unlikely they have room to sign a big time FA next year and fill out the team. LeBron and Kyrie alone is like $37 million, Bennett is another 6, Wiggins another 5-6. That's $48 million right there before any cap hold and other roster members. Probably have right around 19 million with projected cap increase next year. Waiters and Thompson each have holds around 6 or 7... Just seems unlikely to me.

LeBron will opt out again next summer and the Cavs will sign the FAs they can get before re-signing LeBron. Gilbert is willing to go over the salary cap so they should be fine.

That's not quite how the salary cap works.

 

[Encyclopedia Brown]

Did Jordan demand all the best players in the league be on his team or did he just let mgmt do their thing? I can't imagine Jordan clamoring for Rodman but I may be wrong.

Jordan threw a fit when the Bulls traded Charles Oakley for Bill Cartwright, even though Cartwright was the perfect fit for the Triangle and Oakley was just about the worst.

Jordan also spoke out publicly when the Bulls refused to sign his boyhood hero Walter Davis.

 

[Synthesizer]

Did Jordan demand all the best players in the league be on his team or did he just let mgmt do their thing? I can't imagine Jordan clamoring for Rodman but I may be wrong.

Has LeBron demanded any players? Or are we just part of a different era where rumors fly around the internet daily?

 

[thecatch]

Is McBuckets ducking Stauskas? I wanted to see the two shooters go after each other tonight.

Sucks for Bulls fans that Doug's decision may cost them a shot at a title.

 

[Bobcat10]

If I'm Cleveland I get Irving extended and keep Wiggins in the fold. Keep money to sign max FA next season. Keep maximum flexibility no matter what Lebron decides he wants to do. You can sign Love next offseason. If Lebron bolts, you have room for Durant too. There's no reason to mortgage everything just for Lebron, especially when he has kept maximum flexibility himself and hasn't gone all in on your franchise.

Irving is already extended. http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11200009/cleveland-cavaliers-announce-kyrie-irving-contract-extension

Unlikely they have room to sign a big time FA next year and fill out the team. LeBron and Kyrie alone is like $37 million, Bennett is another 6, Wiggins another 5-6. That's $48 million right there before any cap hold and other roster members. Probably have right around 19 million with projected cap increase next year. Waiters and Thompson each have holds around 6 or 7... Just seems unlikely to me.

LeBron will opt out again next summer and the Cavs will sign the FAs they can get before re-signing LeBron. Gilbert is willing to go over the salary cap so they should be fine.

That's not quite how the salary cap works.

Step us through this please.

So he opts out...there is a cap hold equal to what? Then if the Cavs renounce him, he is like any other FA and counts at zero against their cap? Cavs sign FA's, maybe a max, then Lebron takes a mini one year discount getting him to the new TV deal/increase in cap. Cavs sign him to full max. Where did I go wrong here? Everywhere?

Seems like alot of Lebron opting out and having a change of heart to me. But really the Cavs have little options with him if he won't sign a long term max until the new TV deal hits.

 

[Kev4029]

If I'm Cleveland I get Irving extended and keep Wiggins in the fold. Keep money to sign max FA next season. Keep maximum flexibility no matter what Lebron decides he wants to do. You can sign Love next offseason. If Lebron bolts, you have room for Durant too. There's no reason to mortgage everything just for Lebron, especially when he has kept maximum flexibility himself and hasn't gone all in on your franchise.

Irving is already extended. http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11200009/cleveland-cavaliers-announce-kyrie-irving-contract-extension

Unlikely they have room to sign a big time FA next year and fill out the team. LeBron and Kyrie alone is like $37 million, Bennett is another 6, Wiggins another 5-6. That's $48 million right there before any cap hold and other roster members. Probably have right around 19 million with projected cap increase next year. Waiters and Thompson each have holds around 6 or 7... Just seems unlikely to me.

LeBron will opt out again next summer and the Cavs will sign the FAs they can get before re-signing LeBron. Gilbert is willing to go over the salary cap so they should be fine.

That's not quite how the salary cap works.

Step us through this please.

So he opts out...there is a cap hold equal to what? Then if the Cavs renounce him, he is like any other FA and counts at zero against their cap? Cavs sign FA's, maybe a max, then Lebron takes a mini one year discount getting him to the new TV deal/increase in cap. Cavs sign him to full max. Where did I go wrong here? Everywhere?

Seems like alot of Lebron opting out and having a change of heart to me. But really the Cavs have little options with him if he won't sign a long term max until the new TV deal hits.

I'm not sure if this was directed at me. His cap hold would be pretty much the same as his salary (maybe a little more), so they gain no cap space in metoo's scenario. If the Cavs were to renounce Lebron next year, they lose his early bird rights, so he would have to play three more years for them prior to being able to sign him for any dollar amount they please.

 

[metoo]

If I'm Cleveland I get Irving extended and keep Wiggins in the fold. Keep money to sign max FA next season. Keep maximum flexibility no matter what Lebron decides he wants to do. You can sign Love next offseason. If Lebron bolts, you have room for Durant too. There's no reason to mortgage everything just for Lebron, especially when he has kept maximum flexibility himself and hasn't gone all in on your franchise.

Irving is already extended. http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11200009/cleveland-cavaliers-announce-kyrie-irving-contract-extension

Unlikely they have room to sign a big time FA next year and fill out the team. LeBron and Kyrie alone is like $37 million, Bennett is another 6, Wiggins another 5-6. That's $48 million right there before any cap hold and other roster members. Probably have right around 19 million with projected cap increase next year. Waiters and Thompson each have holds around 6 or 7... Just seems unlikely to me.

LeBron will opt out again next summer and the Cavs will sign the FAs they can get before re-signing LeBron. Gilbert is willing to go over the salary cap so they should be fine.

That's not quite how the salary cap works.

Step us through this please.

So he opts out...there is a cap hold equal to what? Then if the Cavs renounce him, he is like any other FA and counts at zero against their cap? Cavs sign FA's, maybe a max, then Lebron takes a mini one year discount getting him to the new TV deal/increase in cap. Cavs sign him to full max. Where did I go wrong here? Everywhere?

Seems like alot of Lebron opting out and having a change of heart to me. But really the Cavs have little options with him if he won't sign a long term max until the new TV deal hits.

I'm not sure if this was directed at me. His cap hold would be pretty much the same as his salary (maybe a little more), so they gain no cap space in metoo's scenario. If the Cavs were to renounce Lebron next year, they lose his early bird rights, so he would have to play three more years for them prior to being able to sign him for any dollar amount they please.

What they gain is they can go over the salary cap by re-signing LeBron once he opts out. Gilbert is willing to spend money.

 

[thecatch]

If I'm Cleveland I get Irving extended and keep Wiggins in the fold. Keep money to sign max FA next season. Keep maximum flexibility no matter what Lebron decides he wants to do. You can sign Love next offseason. If Lebron bolts, you have room for Durant too. There's no reason to mortgage everything just for Lebron, especially when he has kept maximum flexibility himself and hasn't gone all in on your franchise.

Irving is already extended. http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11200009/cleveland-cavaliers-announce-kyrie-irving-contract-extensionUnlikely they have room to sign a big time FA next year and fill out the team. LeBron and Kyrie alone is like $37 million, Bennett is another 6, Wiggins another 5-6. That's $48 million right there before any cap hold and other roster members. Probably have right around 19 million with projected cap increase next year. Waiters and Thompson each have holds around 6 or 7... Just seems unlikely to me.

LeBron will opt out again next summer and the Cavs will sign the FAs they can get before re-signing LeBron. Gilbert is willing to go over the salary cap so they should be fine.

That's not quite how the salary cap works.

Step us through this please.So he opts out...there is a cap hold equal to what? Then if the Cavs renounce him, he is like any other FA and counts at zero against their cap? Cavs sign FA's, maybe a max, then Lebron takes a mini one year discount getting him to the new TV deal/increase in cap. Cavs sign him to full max. Where did I go wrong here? Everywhere?

Seems like alot of Lebron opting out and having a change of heart to me. But really the Cavs have little options with him if he won't sign a long term max until the new TV deal hits.

I'm not sure if this was directed at me. His cap hold would be pretty much the same as his salary (maybe a little more), so they gain no cap space in metoo's scenario. If the Cavs were to renounce Lebron next year, they lose his early bird rights, so he would have to play three more years for them prior to being able to sign him for any dollar amount they please.

According to the CBA FAQ (#33) the Cavs would re acquire Lebron's bird rights after resigning him to the one year deal under the above scenario.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

If I'm Cleveland I get Irving extended and keep Wiggins in the fold. Keep money to sign max FA next season. Keep maximum flexibility no matter what Lebron decides he wants to do. You can sign Love next offseason. If Lebron bolts, you have room for Durant too. There's no reason to mortgage everything just for Lebron, especially when he has kept maximum flexibility himself and hasn't gone all in on your franchise.

Irving is already extended. http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11200009/cleveland-cavaliers-announce-kyrie-irving-contract-extensionUnlikely they have room to sign a big time FA next year and fill out the team. LeBron and Kyrie alone is like $37 million, Bennett is another 6, Wiggins another 5-6. That's $48 million right there before any cap hold and other roster members. Probably have right around 19 million with projected cap increase next year. Waiters and Thompson each have holds around 6 or 7... Just seems unlikely to me.

LeBron will opt out again next summer and the Cavs will sign the FAs they can get before re-signing LeBron. Gilbert is willing to go over the salary cap so they should be fine.

That's not quite how the salary cap works.

Step us through this please.So he opts out...there is a cap hold equal to what? Then if the Cavs renounce him, he is like any other FA and counts at zero against their cap? Cavs sign FA's, maybe a max, then Lebron takes a mini one year discount getting him to the new TV deal/increase in cap. Cavs sign him to full max. Where did I go wrong here? Everywhere?

Seems like alot of Lebron opting out and having a change of heart to me. But really the Cavs have little options with him if he won't sign a long term max until the new TV deal hits.

I'm not sure if this was directed at me. His cap hold would be pretty much the same as his salary (maybe a little more), so they gain no cap space in metoo's scenario. If the Cavs were to renounce Lebron next year, they lose his early bird rights, so he would have to play three more years for them prior to being able to sign him for any dollar amount they please.

What they gain is they can go over the salary cap by re-signing LeBron once he opts out. Gilbert is willing to spend money.

No, they can't. If they don't renounce him, he has a cap hold. If they renounce him, then he is like any other FA and they can't go over the cap to sign him unless he wants to take the MLE.