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We'll not just next year but long term. Perhaps I exaggerated a bit but the overall point stands. It is a lot easier to go from average to good defense than it is to go from great offense to historical. Offensively, LeBron is looking at one of his best supporting casts.
The one thing we can count on is, huge amounts of criticism and wailing in Cleveland if either move doesn't work out.
I agree with most of your points, but there is one factor nobody has control of, which is time... Lebron has a ticking clock right now. He'll be 30 this season and has a lot of mileage already. I stick with my opinion of pairing him with Love (who I think I am higher on than some in this thread), & Irving. With Lebron still at the top of his game, Love in his prime, & Irving becoming a top PG in the NBA, I roll the dice and chase titles now. Sure Wiggins can be a superstar, but my mindset in the current situation is win now, not wait on potential for 2-3 season from now. Maybe they can compete without Love now, but adding him and losing Wiggins, my money lands on them to win it all in 2015.
Yeah I agree that's a big part of it. It's not just Wiggins on a rookie deal vs Love on a max deal in a vacuum- I think most teams would lean Wiggins in that scenario. LeBron's age changes things.
There's more to it than that. Let's say that with Wiggins, the Cavs have a 50% change of winning the East next year. And with Love they have an 80% chance. Is that worth trading away a player who could be the NBA's next big superstar?
I believe I heard the Cavs have 1.4MM of cap space (before signing Wiggins) -- assuming I read an article earlier today correctly. I don't think there's any flexibility for signing FAs after the season with the exception of Andy coming off the books at $9.8MM and Haywood at $2MM. And wouldn't LeBron want Varejao back?
Why would Minny want to trade Dieng? He is a decent backup Center on a small contract. Seems right up Minny's alley. It doesn't make sense to include him in any deal.
I mostly agree, but I'm not sure it's as simple as Love vs. Wiggins + cap space. How much cap space are they going to have next year not doing the trade?
Yeah, he's a nice reserve big I think, but he's not tremendous upsidey. If he's what makes or breaks a deal, they can have him and we'll hang on to FESENKO.
I was thinking more long term, assuming Love re-ups with the Cavs vs Wiggins on the rookie scale deal for the next few seasons.
Wouldn't argue cap space but flexibility. Instead of a big 3 eating up 60-65 million it'll be spread out amongst 6 guys. It'd be tough to move the big 3 whereas you can create packages with the other guys to plug holes at a later date. If you do Love, you're essentially going at it with those 3. If the Cavs lose next year and realize they need another piece, they can create a package then. Only risk is their assets losing value but playing with LeBron usually increases someone's value.
I just see him as a decent rim protector, and that would have serious value to Cleveland. If you're gonna give up Wiggins and his defensive potential, at least get a guy who might be useful on D at the rim...
Yeah that's probably a little worse than I thought. They may be restricted to working with cap exceptions.
I remember an NCAA tournament game where Dieng blocked literally every single shot MSU took and Louisville won 68-0.
A few days ago we went over some options the Cavs have with Lebron opting out and being renounced to get rid of the cap hold. And also not picking up some of the team options who I think are Bennett and Waiters....and TT is a QO. Basically, they have their work cut out for them.
I think that's pretty widely accepted. Second team All-NBA, third in PER, third in Win Shares and fourth in WS/48.
DELUSIONAL!More like top 5.
I'm def a lot higher on Love than most, but to call that statement a fishing trip is over the top. He rebounds like a rock star, shoots lights out, and his averages are off the charts.... Career 19/12 or something along those lines, last year 26/12, which is where I think they'll remain over the next 4-5 years.
Chad Posthmous!
Once upon a time I think it was in like January or February and its been slowly drifting back. Last year was in April or something, and he made mention that it would be easier to evaluate in the offseason.
I doubt it, though it prob depends on the $$. I can't believe they'd match 5/$80. I also don't think they'd give him away for something like 4/$50. They've got picks. At that point they'd be better off signing him/matching.
Sixers, Hawks, and Magic have the most room remaining, absent another deal to clear space or a sign and trade. Sixers could offer him boatloads and still have the most cap space remaining in the league, though you wouldn't think that would be in their plans.
Depends a lot on who you talk to.
It's got value.
Pretty solid recap.
