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Is this the way you'd stack rank them, and if so, by the way NE utilizes them or for FF purposes (or both).While Faulk has to compete with a lot of other weapons, both in and coming out of the backfield, he still seems pretty utlilized in the game, and I see him as potential value in PPR.
Faulk's value really has nothing to do with whether Maroney is there or not, his role is already pretty defined, and yes he's a good end-of-bench guy in PPR leagues.
And Maroney could become a superstar in Denver.And the draft pick they get could be another BB bust or could get hurt. Point is there's no proof at all this is a "genius" trade for BB.
Taylor remains the starter and gets the core of the carries IF HEALTHY (big if). Morris and BJGE used sparingly to give Taylor a blow.If Taylor is out, I think Morris and BJGE would split carries.
GordonGekko said:
They are going to have to start planning for some turnover in the OL. Nothing wrong with all the pieces that are there and when they all want to play but they can draft guys and and keep the salaries somewhat in check along the frontline. What's a 2nd round OG end up costing that pans out? $500,000 a year on avg for about 4 years? They can do so much because they always have the draft picks to play with. Not everything they have done the last 2-3 years was as good as what they did in the early 2000s but no one could keep up that pace.
That all came about from a goofy thread in the FFA where someone was insisting that Maroney would be a beast for the Pats this year.
The Patriots don't simply have one back step up a rung on the depth chart when another back goes down. Each plays a role. Taylor - Starting back; majority of carries
Good call. I could see Dallas doing this. It would be a funny coincidence if New England ended up with the Barbarian filling Maroney's spot.
this is good! Taylor gets a little more clarity, but yes don't forget he's 34 coming off ankle surgery with a lot of miles on those wheels. Law Firm (love that!) is a deep dynasty grab for now, but I think that's about it.
I'm not sure I agree with this. BJGE clearly has a better work ethic and works harder than Maroney. But his skills are somewhat limited. He's not all that fast, he doesn't really have ant moves, and he doesn't really catch passes. His strength is running north to south and moving the pile (which BB likes in a RB).Maroney has better skills in terms of quickness, cutting, and breakaway speed. But the Pats never adjusted their playbook to fit his style. Of course, his work ethic, toughness, and ability to do what the coaches wanted also frequently came into question.Ellis is better than Maroney. Just sayin.
Agreed. Especially good for a guy who's a free agent at the end of the season and was in danger of being cut if they couldn't find a trade partner.
Well, you know, Belichick is a genius, right?The Patriots passed on Joseph Addai to take Beef-a-roney.
Sorry, I don't see any spin here - getting a 4th for Maroney (a former 1st rounder) and a 6th even seems like DEN got the good end of the trade.NE on the whole makes good moves about 98% of the time, but the 2% where they aren't, they REALLY AREN'T...
It could be 4.32 for 6.01 - the pick # isn't set in stone yet, just the rounds.
Maroney is not that quick, he's very indecisive, and he takes 94 steps to get back to the line of scrimmage, and he has fumble issues. BJGE, while not spectacular, if there's 3 years to be gotten, he'll get you it.I'm not sure I agree with this. BJGE clearly has a better work ethic and works harder than Maroney. But his skills are somewhat limited. He's not all that fast, he doesn't really have ant moves, and he doesn't really catch passes. His strength is running north to south and moving the pile (which BB likes in a RB).Maroney has better skills in terms of quickness, cutting, and breakaway speed. But the Pats never adjusted their playbook to fit his style. Of course, his work ethic, toughness, and ability to do what the coaches wanted also frequently came into question.Ellis is better than Maroney. Just sayin.
I'd like to get three years, so sign me up.Maroney in space is still fast. The problem is he has a hard time finding space. I blame the Pats for that one. His happy feet/dancing issues are legendary and somewhat over hyped. I would not say he has a fumbling problem. He's had 721 regular and post season touches and I believe only had 5 fumbles. I would say that that is very good actually.He never was a fit for the NE offense. Although it doesn't sound like he is going to a better spot to help his career any.Maroney is not that quick, he's very indecisive, and he takes 94 steps to get back to the line of scrimmage, and he has fumble issues. BJGE, while not spectacular, if there's 3 years to be gotten, he'll get you it.I'm not sure I agree with this. BJGE clearly has a better work ethic and works harder than Maroney. But his skills are somewhat limited. He's not all that fast, he doesn't really have ant moves, and he doesn't really catch passes. His strength is running north to south and moving the pile (which BB likes in a RB).Maroney has better skills in terms of quickness, cutting, and breakaway speed. But the Pats never adjusted their playbook to fit his style. Of course, his work ethic, toughness, and ability to do what the coaches wanted also frequently came into question.Ellis is better than Maroney. Just sayin.
The 1st round pick is water over the dam. Given where they find themselves now, they got some value for a guy who has shown nothing but frailty. He needed a change of scenery anyway, so not a bad way for NE to cut their losses.Well, you know, Belichick is a genius, right?The Patriots passed on Joseph Addai to take Beef-a-roney.Sorry, I don't see any spin here - getting a 4th for Maroney (a former 1st rounder) and a 6th even seems like DEN got the good end of the trade.NE on the whole makes good moves about 98% of the time, but the 2% where they aren't, they REALLY AREN'T...
Interesting... not that I disagree, just surprised anyone in Boston would feel that way.This move IMO will likely come back to bite NE. Not that Maroney would have been much help necessarily, but I don't see why they didn't dump him prior to the season so they could address their running game depth.Taylor - 34, great RB, but an injury riskMorris - up there as well, also an injury risk, and not that greatFaulk - pass catching RBBJGE - overrated backup RB at best-- what do they do if Taylor gets hurt?
Who says they are done trading?
At the time, this was considered a great move. I believe there was lots of discussion about the Colts wanting Maroney, but having to settle for Addai.The Patriots passed on Joseph Addai to take Beef-a-roney.
Throw 50 times a game. BJGE would probably get what Taylor got last week: 10-15 carries a game. Morris would probably get what BJGE got last week: 5. Faulk would be the third down back. I get the sentiment that BJGE is overhyped. But does anyone really think Sammy Morris is the backup to Taylor? I'd be somewhat surprised.
That was a rumor starting by a Pats beat writer... it had no substance.And to Yudkin - no one said they are done trading... but these moves still would have been better in the preseason, so that the acquired player could get a feel for the system before needing to play.At the time, this was considered a great move. I believe there was lots of discussion about the Colts wanting Maroney, but having to settle for Addai.The Patriots passed on Joseph Addai to take Beef-a-roney.
Maybe to make room to sign Mankins?
I don't see that happening. Either to add someone else in that spot or if they traded Mankins.
If we are to believe the hype and ignore the rhetoric, Mankins was almost signed two weeks ago. If they felt they could keep him, they would not have been looking to trade. If that led them to feel that they can't sign him and a trade is the only option, that is a recent development so trading him months ago would not have been a real option.That was a rumor starting by a Pats beat writer... it had no substance.And to Yudkin - no one said they are done trading... but these moves still would have been better in the preseason, so that the acquired player could get a feel for the system before needing to play.At the time, this was considered a great move. I believe there was lots of discussion about the Colts wanting Maroney, but having to settle for Addai.The Patriots passed on Joseph Addai to take Beef-a-roney.
David, that seriously makes no sense. There's no logical reason to think after week 1 they suddenly came to a conclusion that Maroney needed to be traded, that couldn't have been reached 2 months ago.If we are to believe the hype and ignore the rhetoric, Mankins was almost signed two weeks ago. If they felt they could keep him, they would not have been looking to trade. If that led them to feel that they can't sign him and a trade is the only option, that is a recent development so trading him months ago would not have been a real option.That was a rumor starting by a Pats beat writer... it had no substance.And to Yudkin - no one said they are done trading... but these moves still would have been better in the preseason, so that the acquired player could get a feel for the system before needing to play.At the time, this was considered a great move. I believe there was lots of discussion about the Colts wanting Maroney, but having to settle for Addai.The Patriots passed on Joseph Addai to take Beef-a-roney.
Sure, there could have been 1 bagillion reasons why after week 1 they felt their best option was to trade him rather than 2 months ago. About 999 mazillion of those reasons we won't know, because BB and the Pats keep things close to the chest. I mean, just take that only a few weeks ago reporters found out that Maroney was riddled with injuries, which kept him out of the last few preseason games. Maybe that was the last straw. Maybe they had been shopping around for the past 2 months and could not find anyone willing to offer something that they determined worthy in return.When all is said and done, I think it would have been better to trade him early (if they could have), as he clearly showed no potential upside after many years of disappointment. But I think now is better than week 10, or anytime later in the season. All in all, I was
when I heard this news. They could have gotten a monkey for the trade, and it would have been great, IMO.
Cousin to The Edge.
:(Off the top of my head; Merriwhether, Mayo, Edelman, Chung, Butler, Vollmer, Tate, Spikes, McCourty, Gronkowski, Hernandez are all guys taken in the last few drafts and looking like they will be playing significant minutes. And all the while they have managed to keep stockpiling picks. That looks like a pretty good record of late to me.
There's enough here to infer that McDaniels has bigger plans for Maroney than mere mop-up/depth duties.
Now imagine the player is Antonio Cromartie.GordonGekko said:
