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He's the 4th string RB on a team that regularly utilizes a RBBC and passes a lot. His primary role is playing on special teams.

If the Pats did suffer major injuries to the other guys, Javarris James (practice squad) might be better suited to get carries, as he seems like more of a speed back that BJGE.

I find it odd that very few people wanted to roster Taylor, Morris, or Faulk (still free agents in some of my leagues), yet people want to jump on the BJGE train.

 
David Yudkin said:
It's doubtful he will ever have a meaningful role in NE. He is what he is. . . a lunch pail guy that runs hard but isn't very fast and has no moves. IMO, he's a dime a dozen as far as RBs go. If lots of other Pats backs get banged up, he could step in and do ok (like he's done in the past). He looks like an NFL depth guy to round out the roster. I doubt he will make a splash.
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Troy Brown disagrees.
 
David Yudkin said:
*** BROKEN RECORD ***He's the 4th string RB on a team that regularly utilizes a RBBC and passes a lot. His primary role is playing on special teams.If the Pats did suffer major injuries to the other guys, Javarris James (practice squad) might be better suited to get carries, as he seems like more of a speed back that BJGE. I find it odd that very few people wanted to roster Taylor, Morris, or Faulk (still free agents in some of my leagues), yet people want to jump on the BJGE train.
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All aboard the BJGE hype express! But it's not all based on folly, David - the Pats do like to pound it sometimes (particularly when it gets cold and snowy) and often one back does get most of the carries, and the result is there are periods when the Pats' lead RB is eminently startable. Check out Maroney from last season, he went through a pretty good period when he put up very solid numbers. Given that BJGE is a hair's breadth away from starting (#2 behind an elderly and injury prone back) he's very close to having reasonable value.
 
Escape Goat said:
Marooney could be a GAME CHANGER. Strongly advise making a play on the next Denver WORK HORSE. Lots of jokers in this thread haven't been paying attention.
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We've been hearing this for YEARS about Maroney. Fact is he's never shown any special ability in the NFL. He shared time in college, and can't stay healthy in the NFL.
 
Bracie Smathers said:
switz said:
KnowledgeReignsSupreme said:
ponchsox said:
The Patriots passed on Joseph Addai to take Beef-a-roney. :goodposting:
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At the time, this was considered a great move. I believe there was lots of discussion about the Colts wanting Maroney, but having to settle for Addai.
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That was a rumor starting by a Pats beat writer... it had no substance.And to Yudkin - no one said they are done trading... but these moves still would have been better in the preseason, so that the acquired player could get a feel for the system before needing to play.
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I saw this in other reports where Tom Brady was quoted saying that Peyton Manning told him that the Patriots 'stole' his guy (Maroney) in the draft. I recall seeing a direct quote from Brady of what Manning had told to him but I had not heard that it was just a made-up and unsubstantiated rumor.

This is one of the reports from four years ago.

Belichick stole Maroney from Colts

May 4, 2006Belichick is a Thief

There…I bet that got your attention!

Before you go ballistic on me, I’m not criticizing the Patriots boss or calling him a criminal. I’m actually complimenting him on what I’ve already characterized as a great move.

Tom Brady met the New England media during a break from the off-season conditioning program in Foxboro. During his chat, the Pats QB mentioned he had spoken with Peyton Manning since the NFL Draft, and that Manning told him the Patriots had stolen the Colts running back in the draft, Laurence Maroney.

Not that we need confirmation from Indy that Maroney was a highly thought of prospect. But the fact we messed up their draft plans and made them go with their second choice has to make Patriots followers smile a bit more.

Now then, haven’t heard much chatter about the Patriots draft…you folks happy with what they did? (I’m ecstatic, to be honest!) How soon will Maroney push Corey Dillon out of town…2006? 2007? And how about the rest of the picks….surprised they didn’t focus more on defense?
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Like I said, a rumor started by a Pats beat writer. There's no actual quote from Manning, it's a third hand report, Brady isn't even quoted. :lmao:
 
switz said:
Escape Goat said:
Marooney could be a GAME CHANGER. Strongly advise making a play on the next Denver WORK HORSE. Lots of jokers in this thread haven't been paying attention.
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We've been hearing this for YEARS about Maroney. Fact is he's never shown any special ability in the NFL. He shared time in college, and can't stay healthy in the NFL.
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Still only 25. Too early to give up on him, imo. Buy cheap and hold.
 
David Yudkin said:
*** BROKEN RECORD ***He's the 4th string RB on a team that regularly utilizes a RBBC and passes a lot. His primary role is playing on special teams.If the Pats did suffer major injuries to the other guys, Javarris James (practice squad) might be better suited to get carries, as he seems like more of a speed back that BJGE. I find it odd that very few people wanted to roster Taylor, Morris, or Faulk (still free agents in some of my leagues), yet people want to jump on the BJGE train.
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Because Taylor, Morris and Faulk were 1/5 of RBBC while BJGE is 1/4 of RBBC and will be 1/2 of RBBC as soon as Taylor and Morris break down. Also, Maroney had 200 carries last year (more than twice as many as the #2 guy) so it's not as much of an RBBC as you've led us to believe.
 
Casting Couch said:
switz said:
Escape Goat said:
Marooney could be a GAME CHANGER. Strongly advise making a play on the next Denver WORK HORSE. Lots of jokers in this thread haven't been paying attention.
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We've been hearing this for YEARS about Maroney. Fact is he's never shown any special ability in the NFL. He shared time in college, and can't stay healthy in the NFL.
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Still only 25. Too early to give up on him, imo. Buy cheap and hold.
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25 isn't really young for an RB whose average career is about 4 years. It's not like Maroney has only been in the league one or two years. This is his 5th year, right?
 
switz said:
Casting Couch said:
switz said:
Escape Goat said:
Marooney could be a GAME CHANGER. Strongly advise making a play on the next Denver WORK HORSE. Lots of jokers in this thread haven't been paying attention.
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We've been hearing this for YEARS about Maroney. Fact is he's never shown any special ability in the NFL. He shared time in college, and can't stay healthy in the NFL.
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Still only 25. Too early to give up on him, imo. Buy cheap and hold.
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25 isn't really young for an RB whose average career is about 4 years. It's not like Maroney has only been in the league one or two years. This is his 5th year, right?
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It's rare for a RB to break out this late in their career and if they do you can expect a one year wonder at best.
 
TommyGilmore said:
David Yudkin said:
*** BROKEN RECORD ***He's the 4th string RB on a team that regularly utilizes a RBBC and passes a lot. His primary role is playing on special teams.If the Pats did suffer major injuries to the other guys, Javarris James (practice squad) might be better suited to get carries, as he seems like more of a speed back that BJGE. I find it odd that very few people wanted to roster Taylor, Morris, or Faulk (still free agents in some of my leagues), yet people want to jump on the BJGE train.
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Because Taylor, Morris and Faulk were 1/5 of RBBC while BJGE is 1/4 of RBBC and will be 1/2 of RBBC as soon as Taylor and Morris break down. Also, Maroney had 200 carries last year (more than twice as many as the #2 guy) so it's not as much of an RBBC as you've led us to believe.
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It's quite the RBBC WHEN PLAYERS ARE HEALTHY.Taylor missed 3/4 of the season last year. Morris missed 1/3 of the season and was never right when he came back. Just like Maroney, BJGE will not be fantasy irrelevant as long as the other guys are healthy . . . just like 3rd and 4th stringers on other teams.If you (and others) feel confident that the other guys will get hurt, that the Pats will make BJGE the man, and that he has the required skill set to be fantasy useful, by all means go pick him up.
 
Coach will put whoever in there, Taylor, Morris, BenJarvus etc... he doesn't seem to care as long as they get some yards. I'm more intrigued by James (as a possible diamond in the rough) but know nothing about him. BenJarvus could have filler value towards the latter part of the year esp. with some injuries but at this point, even after the Maroney trade, the bandwagon is still in the shop.

 
David Yudkin said:
*** BROKEN RECORD ***He's the 4th string RB on a team that regularly utilizes a RBBC and passes a lot. His primary role is playing on special teams.If the Pats did suffer major injuries to the other guys, Javarris James (practice squad) might be better suited to get carries, as he seems like more of a speed back that BJGE. I find it odd that very few people wanted to roster Taylor, Morris, or Faulk (still free agents in some of my leagues), yet people want to jump on the BJGE train.
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Are you sure BJGE is behind Morris on the depth chart? Pats website shows BJGE behind Fred (& Faulk*), NFL.com and ESPN all list Morris as the FB.*I don't consider Faulk in this equation because, barring injury to Fred, BJGE & Morris, Faulk's role remains fairly constant as the receiving, COP guy. As long as Faulk is in NE there will be no 3 down back.
 
Chaka said:
David Yudkin said:
*** BROKEN RECORD ***He's the 4th string RB on a team that regularly utilizes a RBBC and passes a lot. His primary role is playing on special teams.If the Pats did suffer major injuries to the other guys, Javarris James (practice squad) might be better suited to get carries, as he seems like more of a speed back that BJGE. I find it odd that very few people wanted to roster Taylor, Morris, or Faulk (still free agents in some of my leagues), yet people want to jump on the BJGE train.
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Are you sure BJGE is behind Morris on the depth chart? Pats website shows BJGE behind Fred (& Faulk*), NFL.com and ESPN all list Morris as the FB.*I don't consider Faulk in this equation because, barring injury to Fred, BJGE & Morris, Faulk's role remains fairly constant as the receiving, COP guy. As long as Faulk is in NE there will be no 3 down back.
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There is no official Pats depth chart. They still had Maroney listed first right before he was traded.Mike Reiss also feels BJGE is their 4th back and will make more of an impact on special teams.
 
David Yudkin said:
Chaka said:
David Yudkin said:
*** BROKEN RECORD ***He's the 4th string RB on a team that regularly utilizes a RBBC and passes a lot. His primary role is playing on special teams.If the Pats did suffer major injuries to the other guys, Javarris James (practice squad) might be better suited to get carries, as he seems like more of a speed back that BJGE. I find it odd that very few people wanted to roster Taylor, Morris, or Faulk (still free agents in some of my leagues), yet people want to jump on the BJGE train.
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Are you sure BJGE is behind Morris on the depth chart? Pats website shows BJGE behind Fred (& Faulk*), NFL.com and ESPN all list Morris as the FB.*I don't consider Faulk in this equation because, barring injury to Fred, BJGE & Morris, Faulk's role remains fairly constant as the receiving, COP guy. As long as Faulk is in NE there will be no 3 down back.
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There is no official Pats depth chart. They still had Maroney listed first right before he was traded.Mike Reiss also feels BJGE is their 4th back and will make more of an impact on special teams.
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I am not sure how many snaps each player received but BJGE had a 5-1 advantage in touches. I imagine Morris was in on more snaps overall as the FB but I am not certain.
 
Chaka said:
switz said:
Casting Couch said:
switz said:
Escape Goat said:
Marooney could be a GAME CHANGER. Strongly advise making a play on the next Denver WORK HORSE. Lots of jokers in this thread haven't been paying attention.
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We've been hearing this for YEARS about Maroney. Fact is he's never shown any special ability in the NFL. He shared time in college, and can't stay healthy in the NFL.
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Still only 25. Too early to give up on him, imo. Buy cheap and hold.
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25 isn't really young for an RB whose average career is about 4 years. It's not like Maroney has only been in the league one or two years. This is his 5th year, right?
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It's rare for a RB to break out this late in their career and if they do you can expect a one year wonder at best.
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Let see, Thomas Jones, Cedric Benson, Charlie Garner, Priest Holmes, are all recent examples of running backs that needed a change of scenery before they were successful. I have watched Maroney for the 4 years he has been in NE, and my opinion is that he is a back that gets better the more he plays. In NE with the rotating that they do he was never able to get into the flow of the game. You give Maroney 20 carries and he will give you 100 yards and a TD most weeks.
 
When has Moreno proven he's some stud who doesn't deserve some competition? Maroney may not have shown himself to be a stud as of yet but neither has Moreno.

Laurence will get a chance this year. Whether he does anything with it who knows.

 
Devilsden2001 said:
Chaka said:
It's rare for a RB to break out this late in their career and if they do you can expect a one year wonder at best.
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Let see, Thomas Jones, Cedric Benson, Charlie Garner, Priest Holmes, are all recent examples of running backs that needed a change of scenery before they were successful. I have watched Maroney for the 4 years he has been in NE, and my opinion is that he is a back that gets better the more he plays. In NE with the rotating that they do he was never able to get into the flow of the game. You give Maroney 20 carries and he will give you 100 yards and a TD most weeks.
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I never said it's impossible, just rare. And the list of RBs who never had a career break out is significantly longer.
 
Devilsden2001 said:
Let see, Thomas Jones, Cedric Benson, Charlie Garner, Priest Holmes, are all recent examples of running backs that needed a change of scenery before they were successful. I have watched Maroney for the 4 years he has been in NE, and my opinion is that he is a back that gets better the more he plays. In NE with the rotating that they do he was never able to get into the flow of the game. You give Maroney 20 carries and he will give you 100 yards and a TD most weeks.
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This is meant to be a neutral post on my part, but couldn't you say that about many if not most RBs?Maroney has only had 20 carries in a game 8 times counting the regular and post season. He's played in 52 games. In the eight 20 carry games, he hit 100 yards 3 times.I don't know why the Pats didn't give him the ball more, but they didn't.I agree that at his age he could still have a chance to make a name for himself. But there have not been a lot of backs like the ones you mentioned that did little early on but a lot later in their careers.Everything will be different on a different team. In DEN, he may not have the benefit of a high octane offense like he did in NE. Maybe McDaniel can utilize him better than the Pats did.
 
David Yudkin said:
Devilsden2001 said:
Let see, Thomas Jones, Cedric Benson, Charlie Garner, Priest Holmes, are all recent examples of running backs that needed a change of scenery before they were successful. I have watched Maroney for the 4 years he has been in NE, and my opinion is that he is a back that gets better the more he plays. In NE with the rotating that they do he was never able to get into the flow of the game. You give Maroney 20 carries and he will give you 100 yards and a TD most weeks.
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This is meant to be a neutral post on my part, but couldn't you say that about many if not most RBs?Maroney has only had 20 carries in a game 8 times counting the regular and post season. He's played in 52 games. In the eight 20 carry games, he hit 100 yards 3 times.I don't know why the Pats didn't give him the ball more, but they didn't.I agree that at his age he could still have a chance to make a name for himself. But there have not been a lot of backs like the ones you mentioned that did little early on but a lot later in their careers.Everything will be different on a different team. In DEN, he may not have the benefit of a high octane offense like he did in NE. Maybe McDaniel can utilize him better than the Pats did.
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Yes David you could say that about any back, and I know that you also have watched all the Patriots games. He played well for them last year, yes he did have a small fumbling problem, but he played well. I agree that everything will be different on a different team, as for the "high octane offense" that does not always work to the benefit of a RB. Would we be having this conversation if 1/4 of the one yard TD's that Brady threw in 2007 had been handed off to Maroney to run in instead? In 2007 Maroney ran for 835 yards on 185 carries for a 4.5 yard average and 6 Td's. Would he have been considered a solid back if he had rushed for 10 or 11 TD's that year?
 
Brady had only 3 one yard TD passes in 2007, so it's not like he really hurt Maroney's numbers. And once we play the what if game, people can carve out any possible scenario they want. Some would like to give those short TDs to Maroney. But thye could easily have gone to another back. At the time, Sammy Morris was as productive in not more than Maroney was (before he got hurt).

All we can really go by is what actually happened. Yes, Maroney looked good for parts of 07 and 09. Could he have done better and stayed healthy in NE if htye fed him the ball 20 times a game? Who knows?

I'm curious to see how well he does in another environment (although I don't think Denver is a great landing spot).

 
David Yudkin said:
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David Yudkin said:
I stil think BJGE is low man on the totem pole. Taylor, Morris, Faulk, BJGE. Maybe they bring back Chris Taylor if they need a body. They also have Javarris Green on the practice squad (although I don't know much about him).
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R U kidding. do they have a Ben Ellis also?
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My bad. It's Jarvarris James. Either way, still don't know that much about him.
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Big time Canes fan here. I saw pretty much every snap JJ took his entire career at the U.JJ is absolute garbage. I'm surprised he even made a practice squad. He's a bigger back who goes down easily on first contact, isn't very fast, and gets hurt alot. If it gets to the point where JJ is in line for carries you're better off picking up every available Patriot WR off the wire cause they will be passing on every down.

 
As for Maroney having 835 rushing yards and 6 rushing TD, 117 RBs have done that in the past 5 years. That's an average of 23 and change a season. That really is not going to wow anyone.

I understand that Maroney typically will get yardage and TDs in chunks in fewer games than some other backs that might need all 16 weeks. But something has prevented Maroney from being able to sustain that production (injuries, benching, RBBC, fumbling, etc.).

Maybe he can turn things around and get better health, a steady and consistent workload, and decent production all rolled into one. Given that he hasn't been able to practice for Denver yet, he's not off to the best of starts.

 
Ace08 said:
David Yudkin said:
qimqam said:
David Yudkin said:
I stil think BJGE is low man on the totem pole. Taylor, Morris, Faulk, BJGE. Maybe they bring back Chris Taylor if they need a body. They also have Javarris Green on the practice squad (although I don't know much about him).
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R U kidding. do they have a Ben Ellis also?
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My bad. It's Jarvarris James. Either way, still don't know that much about him.
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Big time Canes fan here. I saw pretty much every snap JJ took his entire career at the U.JJ is absolute garbage. I'm surprised he even made a practice squad. He's a bigger back who goes down easily on first contact, isn't very fast, and gets hurt alot. If it gets to the point where JJ is in line for carries you're better off picking up every available Patriot WR off the wire cause they will be passing on every down.
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From the little I could find of him, he seemed to do fairly well when he played early on but then struggled with injuries and then never real got back to earning a bigger workload. From the sound of it, it looks like he was going to be on the Colts practice squad but the Pats claimed him. THose are two pretty good franchises that poked around on him. I'm not saying that that makes him any good, but if two of the better organizations in football wanted to retain him, he must have something to offer, no?
 
ROBOPUNTER said:
switz said:
Escape Goat said:
Marooney could be a GAME CHANGER. Strongly advise making a play on the next Denver WORK HORSE. Lots of jokers in this thread haven't been paying attention.
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We've been hearing this for YEARS about Maroney. Fact is he's never shown any special ability in the NFL. He shared time in college, andcan't stay healthy in the NFL.
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:lmao:
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Fifth season... never finished one healthy. Slightly different than another RB's situation.
 
David Yudkin said:
As for Maroney having 835 rushing yards and 6 rushing TD, 117 RBs have done that in the past 5 years. That's an average of 23 and change a season. That really is not going to wow anyone.
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Add Maroney's 4.5 YPC and suddenly you're down to only 33 RBs who have done that in the past 5 years.
 
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Maroney will surplant Knowshow as Denver's #1 RB by week 8 or 9 is just a prediction by me.
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Omg will the Maroney backers wake up. I mean really, this had gone on far too long(years litteraly). If he can't get it done over fred taylor he sure as hell isn't going to top moreno.
 
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switz said:
Casting Couch said:
switz said:
Escape Goat said:
Marooney could be a GAME CHANGER. Strongly advise making a play on the next Denver WORK HORSE. Lots of jokers in this thread haven't been paying attention.
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We've been hearing this for YEARS about Maroney. Fact is he's never shown any special ability in the NFL. He shared time in college, and can't stay healthy in the NFL.
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Still only 25. Too early to give up on him, imo. Buy cheap and hold.
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25 isn't really young for an RB whose average career is about 4 years. It's not like Maroney has only been in the league one or two years. This is his 5th year, right?
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I'd like to make some sort of wager with you. This is his 5th year in the league but he's got lots of tread left on those tires. He's shown glimpses of what he can do. I think he has the talent to be an NFL starter and 20+ carries a game guy. Belichick didn't like him because he thinks he's soft and he fumbled a few times in bad spots. People talk about him like he's a fumbler. Until 2009 he hadn't fumbled since 2006 and even then he fumbled the ball once in 200 touches. In his career he's fumbled the ball 5 times in 622 touches. That's once every 124 touches.
 
Hmmmm...

Forte playing well and Cutler getting pounded in the preseason. Chester may be dangled in front of the Pats for Mankin.

 
TommyGilmore said:
David Yudkin said:
As for Maroney having 835 rushing yards and 6 rushing TD, 117 RBs have done that in the past 5 years. That's an average of 23 and change a season. That really is not going to wow anyone.
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Add Maroney's 4.5 YPC and suddenly you're down to only 33 RBs who have done that in the past 5 years.
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And Maroney BY FAR scored the fewest fantasy points out of any of them. And he's also the only one to play on the highest scoring offense of all time. Not exactly a great combination.
 
The late signing does not give the Jets much time to change all their audibles. IT seems like it would be much easier for NE to learn them than NY's entire offense to learn new ones.

This late signing seems planned, as NE did not fill Maroney's spot earlier in the week- much to the fan base's confusion.

 
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