Nervously awaiting Andre Johnson's MRI.... (1 Viewer)

[Sweetness_34]

The true beneficiary here is the Colts D.....start them next week and expect good fantasy points, especially in leagues where I play where you get good points if a D gives up few points and is not based only on sacks, fumbles, ints, TDs etc

 

[Stewy]

The true beneficiary here is the Colts D.....start them next week and expect good fantasy points, especially in leagues where I play where you get good points if a D gives up few points and is not based only on sacks, fumbles, ints, TDs etc

The same defense that the Ahman Green-less Texans ran on for 200+ yards last December? That defense?

 

[War Eagle]

Looks like Curry gets the start over AJ week 3 vs.......Cleveland.

Wheeewwww, I feel so much better now that I know who you will be starting this week. I was on the edge of my seat wondering which direction you were going to go. Thanks for sharing this.

 

[GregR_2]

The true beneficiary here is the Colts D.....start them next week and expect good fantasy points, especially in leagues where I play where you get good points if a D gives up few points and is not based only on sacks, fumbles, ints, TDs etc

The same defense that the Ahman Green-less Texans ran on for 200+ yards last December? That defense?

No, not that one. The one where Bob Sanders is on the field.

 

[BringItOn]

The true beneficiary here is the Colts D.....start them next week and expect good fantasy points, especially in leagues where I play where you get good points if a D gives up few points and is not based only on sacks, fumbles, ints, TDs etc

The same defense that the Ahman Green-less Texans ran on for 200+ yards last December? That defense?

No, not that one. The one where Bob Sanders is on the field.

Beat me to it.

 

[Stewy]

The true beneficiary here is the Colts D.....start them next week and expect good fantasy points, especially in leagues where I play where you get good points if a D gives up few points and is not based only on sacks, fumbles, ints, TDs etc

The same defense that the Ahman Green-less Texans ran on for 200+ yards last December? That defense?

No, not that one. The one where Bob Sanders is on the field.

Oh, the one that gave up 150 rushing yards to the Titans yesterday. Definitely the defensive lock of the week.

 

[Keith Lewis]

i have a friend who lives in houston and he daid the local sports talk radio is reporting it's a acl and pcl done for the year. when i get a link or the radio call letters i will post.

 

[Tat]

From Kubiak's presser-AJ has knee sprain - no time period set, will know in a few days. Doubtful for next week. No swelling as of right now.

2 questionsIs this assessment based on MRI results? What ligament?

Andre was told it's the PCL.

PCL is bad news

 

[kevinray]

From Kubiak's presser-AJ has knee sprain - no time period set, will know in a few days. Doubtful for next week. No swelling as of right now.

2 questionsIs this assessment based on MRI results? What ligament?

Andre was told it's the PCL.

PCL is bad news

I mean it had to be one of them right? MCL PCL or ACL? If its a minor sprian does it really that much which one it is.

 

[War Eagle]

They are callng him "doubtful" for the Colts game. Let's just think about that for a second...

If it was "bad" wouldn't they just say he's "out"? Doubtful means that there's a chance he will play. A slim one at this time, but still.

 

[Eagle Eye]

They are callng him "doubtful" for the Colts game. Let's just think about that for a second...If it was "bad" wouldn't they just say he's "out"? Doubtful means that there's a chance he will play. A slim one at this time, but still.

Good point. Coaches don't lie about that kind of stuff.

 

[War Eagle]

They are callng him "doubtful" for the Colts game. Let's just think about that for a second...If it was "bad" wouldn't they just say he's "out"? Doubtful means that there's a chance he will play. A slim one at this time, but still.

Good point. Coaches don't lie about that kind of stuff.

That's my point entirely. There's been no diagnosis. The MRI's usually come with a grade, and more specific time frame. I think he plays against Indy.I might go so far as to say Andre was acting a bit.

 

[GregR_2]

The true beneficiary here is the Colts D.....start them next week and expect good fantasy points, especially in leagues where I play where you get good points if a D gives up few points and is not based only on sacks, fumbles, ints, TDs etc

The same defense that the Ahman Green-less Texans ran on for 200+ yards last December? That defense?

No, not that one. The one where Bob Sanders is on the field.

Oh, the one that gave up 150 rushing yards to the Titans yesterday. Definitely the defensive lock of the week.

Yes, the one that gave up 150 rushing yards to the Titans yesterday. The Colts did a good job against both the Titans and Saints running backs. The only thing they didn't do a good job at was stopping Vince Young from scrambling. Unless you're expecting Schaub to scramble like Vince, there is every reason to expect the Colts D will play the run tough this week, especially if AJ isn't there to keep them honest and away from using 8 man fronts as often.

 

[JoeyJoeJoeJr]

From Kubiak's presser-AJ has knee sprain - no time period set, will know in a few days. Doubtful for next week. No swelling as of right now.

2 questionsIs this assessment based on MRI results? What ligament?

Andre was told it's the PCL.

PCL is bad news

Actually, ACL is bad news, PCL is relatively good news. Real bad news would be PCL plus MCL or LCL. PCL is the strongest knee ligament, and is rarely sprained in isolation, but if it is, it plays the least role in knee stability/cutting and acceleration. Per a discussion last night in the Pool, a grade 1 PCL sprain could be a week with normal function, a grade 2 would be about 4 weeks, and a grade 3 would be at least 8 if not more weeks. It sounds like they're waiting to confirm the PCL diagnosis, and to see how severe the tear is.

 

[redman]

From Kubiak's presser-AJ has knee sprain - no time period set, will know in a few days. Doubtful for next week. No swelling as of right now.

2 questionsIs this assessment based on MRI results? What ligament?

Andre was told it's the PCL.

PCL is bad news

Actually, ACL is bad news, PCL is relatively good news. Real bad news would be PCL plus MCL or LCL. PCL is the strongest knee ligament, and is rarely sprained in isolation, but if it is, it plays the least role in knee stability/cutting and acceleration. Per a discussion last night in the Pool, a grade 1 PCL sprain could be a week with normal function, a grade 2 would be about 4 weeks, and a grade 3 would be at least 8 if not more weeks. It sounds like they're waiting to confirm the PCL diagnosis, and to see how severe the tear is.

I think I forgot how to read for about a paragraph.

 

[JMJ]

Personal opinion:

He will not play this weekend (especially if it is the PCL).

However, they say that there is no swelling. If the damage to the ligament was severe at all then there would be swelling. That is a natural function of the human body. Significant injury = blood rushing to the area = swelling.

No swelling gives me optomism that the injury is a grade I and not a severe grade I at that.

 

[GregR_2]

From Kubiak's presser-AJ has knee sprain - no time period set, will know in a few days. Doubtful for next week. No swelling as of right now.

2 questionsIs this assessment based on MRI results? What ligament?

Andre was told it's the PCL.

PCL is bad news

Actually, ACL is bad news, PCL is relatively good news. Real bad news would be PCL plus MCL or LCL. PCL is the strongest knee ligament, and is rarely sprained in isolation, but if it is, it plays the least role in knee stability/cutting and acceleration. Per a discussion last night in the Pool, a grade 1 PCL sprain could be a week with normal function, a grade 2 would be about 4 weeks, and a grade 3 would be at least 8 if not more weeks. It sounds like they're waiting to confirm the PCL diagnosis, and to see how severe the tear is.

I think I forgot how to read for about a paragraph.

That frequently happens to those who have had the comfort of being in the folds of Elida's bosom.

 

[Slingblade]

Just curious of anyone knows this...We always hear of PCL, MCL, and ACL sprains/tears.

Why is it there are hardly ever any LCL problems? Is it harder to injure or something?

 

[Men-in-Cleats]

The true beneficiary here is the Colts D.....start them next week and expect good fantasy points, especially in leagues where I play where you get good points if a D gives up few points and is not based only on sacks, fumbles, ints, TDs etc

The same defense that the Ahman Green-less Texans ran on for 200+ yards last December? That defense?

No, not that one. The one where Bob Sanders is on the field.

Oh, the one that gave up 150 rushing yards to the Titans yesterday. Definitely the defensive lock of the week.

Yes, the one that was missing a couple of starting LB's.

 

[lebowski]

 

[JMJ]

Just curious of anyone knows this...We always hear of PCL, MCL, and ACL sprains/tears.Why is it there are hardly ever any LCL problems? Is it harder to injure or something?

Brandon Jacobs hurt that already this year and I believe Matt Hasselbeck did last year. To get injured there you normally have to get hit directly in the side of the knee while your leg is planted on the ground and straight. I guess it is just less likely because people's legs are always moving. The other ligaments though can all be torn without any impact at all. There really is no conceivable way to tear your LCL without impact (at least to my knowledge).

 

[Ignoramus]

I heard Kubiak on his weekly show on 610AM say that they were encouraged by the fact that there was no swelling and they will perform another MRI on Wednesday, so don't jump off the bridge just yet, AJ owners. That last bit is coach-speak obviously but you get the picture.

Honestly, watching the game and watching him after the play, I would be surprised if he missed more than a week. I know Jacoby is the Shark Pool darling and all, but IMO, Walter followed by Daniels are the two who will see most of AJ's targets if/while he's out.

 

[cobalt_27]

Just curious of anyone knows this...We always hear of PCL, MCL, and ACL sprains/tears.Why is it there are hardly ever any LCL problems? Is it harder to injure or something?

I suppose it may have something to do with the fact that it's attached to the femur and fibula on the inside of the knees, thus giving it a buffer from being stretched too far (If I understand it correctly, more extension damage to all other parts of the joint would occur if the LCL is damaged.) The PCL and ACL just cross each other--attached to no bone in front or behind them--and, thus, have no "brace" or foundation. I think they're just more exposed to isolated damage.

 

[whodeywhodey]

Just curious of anyone knows this...We always hear of PCL, MCL, and ACL sprains/tears.Why is it there are hardly ever any LCL problems? Is it harder to injure or something?

I suppose it may have something to do with the fact that it's attached to the femur and fibula on the inside of the knees, thus giving it a buffer from being stretched too far (If I understand it correctly, more extension damage to all other parts of the joint would occur if the LCL is damaged.) The PCL and ACL just cross each other--attached to no bone in front or behind them--and, thus, have no "brace" or foundation. I think they're just more exposed to isolated damage.

No.Medial = inside of knee.Lateral = outside of knee.So to injure the lateral collateral you would have to suffer a blow to the inside (medial) part of the knee forcing the knee in varus which would stretch the lateral ligament. Football players usually get hit from the lateral, front or back but rarely from the inside of the knee. And the ACL and PCL do indeed attach to bones. Actually by definition all ligaments do (tendons do not --- they connect muscle to bone). The ACL and PCL both connect the femur to tibia. The difference is that one goes front to back (ACL) and one goes back to front (PCL).

 

[Jackie Treehorn]

Just curious of anyone knows this...We always hear of PCL, MCL, and ACL sprains/tears.Why is it there are hardly ever any LCL problems? Is it harder to injure or something?

I suppose it may have something to do with the fact that it's attached to the femur and fibula on the inside of the knees, thus giving it a buffer from being stretched too far (If I understand it correctly, more extension damage to all other parts of the joint would occur if the LCL is damaged.) The PCL and ACL just cross each other--attached to no bone in front or behind them--and, thus, have no "brace" or foundation. I think they're just more exposed to isolated damage.

No.Medial = inside of knee.Lateral = outside of knee.So to injure the lateral collateral you would have to suffer a blow to the inside (medial) part of the knee forcing the knee in varus which would stretch the lateral ligament. Football players usually get hit from the lateral, front or back but rarely from the inside of the knee. And the ACL and PCL do indeed attach to bones. Actually by definition all ligaments do (tendons do not --- they connect muscle to bone). The ACL and PCL both connect the femur to tibia. The difference is that one goes front to back (ACL) and one goes back to front (PCL).

The LCL is really short and mechanically stronger than the mcl, which is a lot longer also. LCL injuries in athletes are about 1/20th as common as acl tears and are largely isolated to tennis players and gymnasts. They're usually not torn through collisions.Also, if AJ does have a PCL injury without swelling, it's probably pretty minor. PCL injuries are usually seen from impact to the tibia just below the knee. You see them a lot in car accidents when front passenger's knees hit the dashboard. A serious PCL injury usually results from a pretty forceful push of the tibia back away from a stabilized femur, and if the displacement is enough to tear the pcl, there is typically a lot of capsular injury. Capsule injury=lots of swelling. So the lack of swelling probably means minor PCL injury.

 

[Art_VanDalay]

Do you guys think that we are past the point of a possible season ending injury here? Just hoping that we are not being kept in the dark by Houston until later in the week so Indi has to prepare for him. I would be happy for him to miss about 4 wks and get back to full strength soon. Any thoughts?

 

[Wes Welker]

Do you guys think that we are past the point of a possible season ending injury here? Just hoping that we are not being kept in the dark by Houston until later in the week so Indi has to prepare for him. I would be happy for him to miss about 4 wks and get back to full strength soon. Any thoughts?

I hope he's out for the season...he is my #1 challenger for receiver of the year. Now I have easily won it. Mwa ha ha.

 

[cobalt_27]

Just curious of anyone knows this...We always hear of PCL, MCL, and ACL sprains/tears.

Why is it there are hardly ever any LCL problems? Is it harder to injure or something?

I suppose it may have something to do with the fact that it's attached to the femur and fibula on the inside of the knees, thus giving it a buffer from being stretched too far (If I understand it correctly, more extension damage to all other parts of the joint would occur if the LCL is damaged.) The PCL and ACL just cross each other--attached to no bone in front or behind them--and, thus, have no "brace" or foundation. I think they're just more exposed to isolated damage.

No.Medial = inside of knee.

Lateral = outside of knee.

So to injure the lateral collateral you would have to suffer a blow to the inside (medial) part of the knee forcing the knee in varus which would stretch the lateral ligament. Football players usually get hit from the lateral, front or back but rarely from the inside of the knee.

And the ACL and PCL do indeed attach to bones. Actually by definition all ligaments do (tendons do not --- they connect muscle to bone). The ACL and PCL both connect the femur to tibia. The difference is that one goes front to back (ACL) and one goes back to front (PCL).

I never meant to imply that the ACL/PCL didn't attach to bones (what else would they attach to?). But, they have much more space between the attachments than the LCL which lies flush on the inside of the knee.But, I do agree with your assessment of why the incidence of injury is minimal in football players as compared to ACL/PCL injuries.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Do you guys think that we are past the point of a possible season ending injury here? Just hoping that we are not being kept in the dark by Houston until later in the week so Indi has to prepare for him. I would be happy for him to miss about 4 wks and get back to full strength soon. Any thoughts?

I hope he's out for the season...he is my #1 challenger for receiver of the year. Now I have easily won it. Mwa ha ha.

I really REALLY hate when people wish injuries to players...especially season ending ones ....it takes fantasy football into the gutter.

 

[JMJ]

Do you guys think that we are past the point of a possible season ending injury here? Just hoping that we are not being kept in the dark by Houston until later in the week so Indi has to prepare for him. I would be happy for him to miss about 4 wks and get back to full strength soon. Any thoughts?

Kubiak said there was no swelling. Have you ever torn a ligament? If you did you would know that there would be MAJOR swelling. Seriously. When you tear a ligament your knee will swell up so much that you can not distinguish where your thigh ends and where your knee begins.If there is no swelling then the injury is very minor (well, as minor as a ligament strain can be). I expect AJ back in 4 weeks or less and wouldn't be surprised if he were back NEXT week (as in not this upcoming weekend).Both fact and opinion.

 

[cobalt_27]

Do you guys think that we are past the point of a possible season ending injury here? Just hoping that we are not being kept in the dark by Houston until later in the week so Indi has to prepare for him. I would be happy for him to miss about 4 wks and get back to full strength soon. Any thoughts?

I hope he's out for the season...he is my #1 challenger for receiver of the year. Now I have easily won it. Mwa ha ha.

I really REALLY hate when people wish injuries to players...especially season ending ones ....it takes fantasy football into the gutter.

It's shtick. You did catch the poster's name, right?Stupid shtick, no doubt. But, at least I don't think it's some tool who's so concerned about his fantasy team that he's hoping for season-ending injuries to his opponents' players.

 

[Burning Sensation]

Do you guys think that we are past the point of a possible season ending injury here? Just hoping that we are not being kept in the dark by Houston until later in the week so Indi has to prepare for him. I would be happy for him to miss about 4 wks and get back to full strength soon. Any thoughts?

I hope he's out for the season...he is my #1 challenger for receiver of the year. Now I have easily won it. Mwa ha ha.

Can someone ban this guy?

 

[Onions]

Do you guys think that we are past the point of a possible season ending injury here? Just hoping that we are not being kept in the dark by Houston until later in the week so Indi has to prepare for him. I would be happy for him to miss about 4 wks and get back to full strength soon. Any thoughts?

I hope he's out for the season...he is my #1 challenger for receiver of the year. Now I have easily won it. Mwa ha ha.

Worst.Alias.Ever.

 

[majarrek]

My guess is he's out a week...

 

[[icon]]

Do you guys think that we are past the point of a possible season ending injury here? Just hoping that we are not being kept in the dark by Houston until later in the week so Indi has to prepare for him. I would be happy for him to miss about 4 wks and get back to full strength soon. Any thoughts?

I hope he's out for the season...he is my #1 challenger for receiver of the year. Now I have easily won it. Mwa ha ha.

Can someone ban this guy?

IP style.. or at least out the idiot so we can ridicule him mercilessly for such a terrible idea.

 

[[icon]]

My guess is he's out a week...

Perhaps it's wishful thinking but hte lack of swelling leads me to believe he's held out against the Colts and is good to go the following week. 2 weeks max. I just hope he's not rushed back too soon as he's THE key to the HOU offense...

 

[Rovers]

Just to waste everyone else's time, as mine has been wasted looking for anything useful in this thread, I finally updated my ignore list. 5 lucky winners form just this thread. Never felt the need to use the ignore function at FBG's before. This forum has really gotten bad in recent weeks. This thread is the coup de gras.

 

[RC94]

Just to waste everyone else's time, as mine has been wasted looking for anything useful in this thread, I finally updated my ignore list. 5 lucky winners form just this thread. Never felt the need to use the ignore function at FBG's before. This forum has really gotten bad in recent weeks. This thread is the coup de gras.

So true. Way too much urine in the pool.ETA - that is why I have been spending more time in the ACF. You can talk fantasy football, which is what brought me to FBG in the first place, but there is much less urine in that forum.

 

[Burning Sensation]

Just to waste everyone else's time, as mine has been wasted looking for anything useful in this thread, I finally updated my ignore list. 5 lucky winners form just this thread. Never felt the need to use the ignore function at FBG's before. This forum has really gotten bad in recent weeks. This thread is the coup de gras.

It gets worse every year. I cant rememebr ever seeing so many hidden WDIS threads, threads about how peoples players suck, or are great etc.

 

[Burning Sensation]

Just to waste everyone else's time, as mine has been wasted looking for anything useful in this thread, I finally updated my ignore list. 5 lucky winners form just this thread. Never felt the need to use the ignore function at FBG's before. This forum has really gotten bad in recent weeks. This thread is the coup de gras.

So true. Way too much urine in the pool.ETA - that is why I have been spending more time in the ACF. You can talk fantasy football, which is what brought me to FBG in the first place, but there is much less urine in that forum.

Thats funny it has come to that.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

Just to waste everyone else's time, as mine has been wasted looking for anything useful in this thread, I finally updated my ignore list. 5 lucky winners form just this thread. Never felt the need to use the ignore function at FBG's before. This forum has really gotten bad in recent weeks. This thread is the coup de gras.

So true. Way too much urine in the pool.ETA - that is why I have been spending more time in the ACF. You can talk fantasy football, which is what brought me to FBG in the first place, but there is much less urine in that forum.

Thats funny it has come to that.

Eventually threads there will net responses like "post that garbage in the Shark Pool...not here."

 

[Two Deep]

Just to waste everyone else's time, as mine has been wasted looking for anything useful in this thread, I finally updated my ignore list. 5 lucky winners form just this thread. Never felt the need to use the ignore function at FBG's before. This forum has really gotten bad in recent weeks. This thread is the coup de gras.

Life is to short for stiffs like you.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Just to waste everyone else's time, as mine has been wasted looking for anything useful in this thread, I finally updated my ignore list. 5 lucky winners form just this thread. Never felt the need to use the ignore function at FBG's before. This forum has really gotten bad in recent weeks. This thread is the coup de gras.

Hi Rovers,Will you guys please help us keep it clean? All it takes is 2 seconds on the report button. Just click it and give 5 words on what the issue is.The wes welker guy was banned in 5 seconds once we saw it. A WDIS thread can be moved in 5 seconds. But if you wait until a mod see it, the sheer volume of posts here mean that it might be a while before a mod sees it.If you can give us a headsup, we can see things so much more quickly.I know some feel hesitant to report for some reason. If that's the case, understand we will be much slower to keep things cleaned up. Please help us there.Thanks.J

 

[Joe Bryant]

Just to waste everyone else's time, as mine has been wasted looking for anything useful in this thread, I finally updated my ignore list. 5 lucky winners form just this thread. Never felt the need to use the ignore function at FBG's before. This forum has really gotten bad in recent weeks. This thread is the coup de gras.

Life is to short for stiffs like you.

If that's true, than maybe this board isn't for you. Please let's keep it focused on NFL stuff on this board.J

 

[Two Deep]

Just to waste everyone else's time, as mine has been wasted looking for anything useful in this thread, I finally updated my ignore list. 5 lucky winners form just this thread. Never felt the need to use the ignore function at FBG's before. This forum has really gotten bad in recent weeks. This thread is the coup de gras.

Life is to short for stiffs like you.

If that's true, than maybe this board isn't for you. Please let's keep it focused on NFL stuff on this board.J

Hey sorry man, I'm under a tremendous amount of stress, my FFL team has started out 0-2 and I projected myself to be much better than I am.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Why is this thread loaded with people excited about Andre Johnson getting hurt? I don't think I understand that logic too much.

Borberly eluded to this thread in Joe's "movement" and "improvement" thread but it really is loaded with a lot of crap. Can someone start a new one and just post injury info and maybe some perspectives that aren't so jaded(cue Aerosmith).

 

[King of the Jungle]

Why is this thread loaded with people excited about Andre Johnson getting hurt? I don't think I understand that logic too much. Borberly eluded to this thread in Joe's "movement" and "improvement" thread but it really is loaded with a lot of crap. Can someone start a new one and just post injury info and maybe some perspectives that aren't so jaded(cue Aerosmith).

I am with you, five pages of cat fighting and disturbing the peace is a waste. Just the facts would be good.

 

[Avery]

Just to waste everyone else's time, as mine has been wasted looking for anything useful in this thread, I finally updated my ignore list. 5 lucky winners form just this thread. Never felt the need to use the ignore function at FBG's before. This forum has really gotten bad in recent weeks. This thread is the coup de gras.

Life is to short for stiffs like you.

If that's true, than maybe this board isn't for you. Please let's keep it focused on NFL stuff on this board.J

Hey sorry man, I'm under a tremendous amount of stress, my FFL team has started out 0-2 and I projected myself to be much better than I am.

... and I projected myself to be better looking and more successful than I am. Life's a kick in the nuts, isn't it?