NFC Championship GB@Seattle (1 Viewer)

[TDorBust]

Like I told someone today as long as I can point to those 13 championships (most in the NFL), no Bears Super Bowl win, and no team 3-peating as a Champion (Packers only team to do it and they did it twice) then I really can care less.

A quick look at Wikipedia shows 11 championships before we landed on the moon. Four of those before the end of WWII. Nice job.

All Championships are in the past by their very nature. Which astronaut were you?

I was the big one that didn't give a crap about games played in the 30's. Titletown probably needs an infrastructure makeover.

Nothing wrong with celebrating the history and tradition of a storied franchise. Fans of teams that haven't existed lomg don't really get it I guess. Not knocking you personally, I just don't get why anyone would try to lessen the meaning of championships from before their time. They still matter to the franchises and their fans, and sometimes that fandom goes back generations in families, which is pretty cool, IMO.

History is great and the Packers have it just like the Yankees, Canadians, and Lakers. My family has been in Wisconsin since prior to it even being called the Wisconsin territory and both sides were here prior to it being a state and they were fans from basically the start of the Packers and possibly from year 1 but never have asked.

You can laugh but I wouldn't trade the Packers history for the Patriots recent sucess or the Seahawks current run. Seasons come and go but the Packers are apart of the fabric of Wisconsin at this point.

Also any team can take home the trophy but only one team has the trophy named after their coach and that's the Green Bay Packers.

 

[TDorBust]

By the way I would be more than happy to be in the Super Bowl but I am not devastated and yesterday's game didn't have the same meaning or emotion as the Packers Bears NFC championship from a couple years back.

 

[proninja]

The Seahawks played the Packers twice this year, went 2-0 with a cumulative score of 64-38 - a 13 point average margin of victory. If you are not a packers fan, it's pretty clear who the better team is.

 

[proninja]

History is great and the Packers have it just like the Yankees, Canadians, and Lakers. My family has been in Wisconsin since prior to it even being called the Wisconsin territory and both sides were here prior to it being a state and they were fans from basically the start of the Packers and possibly from year 1 but never have asked.You can laugh but I wouldn't trade the Packers history for the Patriots recent sucess or the Seahawks current run. Seasons come and go but the Packers are apart of the fabric of Wisconsin at this point.

Also any team can take home the trophy but only one team has the trophy named after their coach and that's the Green Bay Packers.

This is how you should feel about your home team.

 

[TDorBust]

The Seahawks played the Packers twice this year, went 2-0 with a cumulative score of 64-38 - a 13 point average margin of victory. If you are not a packers fan, it's pretty clear who the better team is.

Yup lets take two games in Seattle one of the toughest places to play to determine who is clearly better. Seattle earned the home game and that's why they won. Seattle was clearly the better team in week 1 though.

No way in the world you convince me Seattle goes to Green Bay and wins yesterday. That being said Seattle had the better overall season and that's why they are in the Super Bowl.

 

[MaxThreshold]

Like I told someone today as long as I can point to those 13 championships (most in the NFL), no Bears Super Bowl win, and no team 3-peating as a Champion (Packers only team to do it and they did it twice) then I really can care less.

A quick look at Wikipedia shows 11 championships before we landed on the moon. Four of those before the end of WWII. Nice job.

All Championships are in the past by their very nature. Which astronaut were you?

I was the big one that didn't give a crap about games played in the 30's. Titletown probably needs an infrastructure makeover.

Nothing wrong with celebrating the history and tradition of a storied franchise. Fans of teams that haven't existed lomg don't really get it I guess. Not knocking you personally, I just don't get why anyone would try to lessen the meaning of championships from before their time. They still matter to the franchises and their fans, and sometimes that fandom goes back generations in families, which is pretty cool, IMO.

History is great and the Packers have it just like the Yankees, Canadians, and Lakers. My family has been in Wisconsin since prior to it even being called the Wisconsin territory and both sides were here prior to it being a state and they were fans from basically the start of the Packers and possibly from year 1 but never have asked.You can laugh but I wouldn't trade the Packers history for the Patriots recent sucess or the Seahawks current run. Seasons come and go but the Packers are apart of the fabric of Wisconsin at this point.

Also any team can take home the trophy but only one team has the trophy named after their coach and that's the Green Bay Packers.

It's not only the fabric of WI, it's also the fabric of the NFL. The NFL is built on franchises like the Packers.

 

[MaxThreshold]

Like I told someone today as long as I can point to those 13 championships (most in the NFL), no Bears Super Bowl win, and no team 3-peating as a Champion (Packers only team to do it and they did it twice) then I really can care less.

A quick look at Wikipedia shows 11 championships before we landed on the moon. Four of those before the end of WWII. Nice job.

All Championships are in the past by their very nature. Which astronaut were you?

I was the big one that didn't give a crap about games played in the 30's. Titletown probably needs an infrastructure makeover.

Nothing wrong with celebrating the history and tradition of a storied franchise. Fans of teams that haven't existed lomg don't really get it I guess. Not knocking you personally, I just don't get why anyone would try to lessen the meaning of championships from before their time. They still matter to the franchises and their fans, and sometimes that fandom goes back generations in families, which is pretty cool, IMO.

History is great and the Packers have it just like the Yankees, Canadians, and Lakers. My family has been in Wisconsin since prior to it even being called the Wisconsin territory and both sides were here prior to it being a state and they were fans from basically the start of the Packers and possibly from year 1 but never have asked.You can laugh but I wouldn't trade the Packers history for the Patriots recent sucess or the Seahawks current run. Seasons come and go but the Packers are apart of the fabric of Wisconsin at this point.

Also any team can take home the trophy but only one team has the trophy named after their coach and that's the Green Bay Packers.

It's not only the fabric of WI, it's also the fabric of the NFL. The NFL is built on franchises like the Packers.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Whatever helps you all sleep at night I guess.

 

[proninja]

The Seahawks played the Packers twice this year, went 2-0 with a cumulative score of 64-38 - a 13 point average margin of victory. If you are not a packers fan, it's pretty clear who the better team is.

Yup lets take two games in Seattle one of the toughest places to play to determine who is clearly better. Seattle earned the home game and that's why they won. Seattle was clearly the better team in week 1 though.

No way in the world you convince me Seattle goes to Green Bay and wins yesterday. That being said Seattle had the better overall season and that's why they are in the Super Bowl.

So it is your contention that home field advantage is worth 13 points? Damn, the 12th man really is the MVP!

Scientist, DD, General, Hooper, Biju (sorry for anyone I didn't list) , you hear that? This guy's giving us a hell of a compliment. Pretty sure he's calling us the best fan base in football. Ever! By a lot!

 

[parasaurolophus]

The Seahawks played the Packers twice this year, went 2-0 with a cumulative score of 64-38 - a 13 point average margin of victory. If you are not a packers fan, it's pretty clear who the better team is.

Yup lets take two games in Seattle one of the toughest places to play to determine who is clearly better. Seattle earned the home game and that's why they won. Seattle was clearly the better team in week 1 though.

No way in the world you convince me Seattle goes to Green Bay and wins yesterday. That being said Seattle had the better overall season and that's why they are in the Super Bowl.

So it is your contention that home field advantage is worth 13 points? Damn, the 12th man really is the MVP!

Scientist, DD, General, Hooper, Biju (sorry for anyone I didn't list) , you hear that? This guy's giving us a hell of a compliment. Pretty sure he's calling us the best fan base in football. Ever! By a lot!

I think his contention was that home field advantage was worth at least one point. Maybe you meant to reply to a different post?

 

[Raider Nation]

Looked to me like GB was in a fake-aware formation on the fake FG but Hawk totally abandoned his responsibility. Even if the DL didn't prevent a first down, no way the holder was going to score

I've read all the comment about this. The mechanics of the play; who takes the blame, etc. I just watched this again about 10 times (it's on NFLN right now).... bottom line, if Hawk runs with the 400-lb. eligible receiver, Green Bay wins. Ryan may get the corner, but he has ZERO shot to run for the 1st down and nobody else to throw the ball to. Hawk's lack of discipline made that play happen.

 

[biju]

Looked to me like GB was in a fake-aware formation on the fake FG but Hawk totally abandoned his responsibility. Even if the DL didn't prevent a first down, no way the holder was going to score

I've read all the comment about this. The mechanics of the play; who takes the blame, etc. I just watched this again about 10 times (it's on NFLN right now).... bottom line, if Hawk runs with the 400-lb. eligible receiver, Green Bay wins. Ryan may get the corner, but he has ZERO shot to run for the 1st down and nobody else to throw the ball to. Hawk's lack of discipline made that play happen.

I really thought it was more of a constraint play and Ryan would have certainly run for the 1st if Gilliam is covered. Maybe there was more distance than I thought there was. Anyway, very ballsy play IMO.

 

[Raider Nation]

It was 4th & 10 from the 19. Ryan throws the ball from about the 22. He's got no shot to pull that down and run to the 9 with fast guys closing in.

http://www.seahawks.com/news/articles/article-1/Jon-Ryan-Garry-Gilliam-team-up-for-touchdown-on-Seahawks-fake-field-goal-vs-Green-Bay-Packers/1c6dd3a3-22d9-419b-af60-55f18df25d75

 

[Tau837]

It was 4th & 10 from the 19. Ryan throws the ball from about the 22. He's got no shot to pull that down and run to the 9 with fast guys closing in.

http://www.seahawks.com/news/articles/article-1/Jon-Ryan-Garry-Gilliam-team-up-for-touchdown-on-Seahawks-fake-field-goal-vs-Green-Bay-Packers/1c6dd3a3-22d9-419b-af60-55f18df25d75

Having watched your link and watched in real time, in both cases I thought if Hawk stayed back on the receiver, he runs for the first down.

 

[Raider Nation]

That's a terrible angle, to be fair. I can't find the replay from the end zone which they showed on the FOX broadcast. I'd be floored if he would have beaten Davon House to the 9 yard line.

 

[thatguy]

It was 4th & 10 from the 19. Ryan throws the ball from about the 22. He's got no shot to pull that down and run to the 9 with fast guys closing in.

http://www.seahawks.com/news/articles/article-1/Jon-Ryan-Garry-Gilliam-team-up-for-touchdown-on-Seahawks-fake-field-goal-vs-Green-Bay-Packers/1c6dd3a3-22d9-419b-af60-55f18df25d75

Having watched your link and watched in real time, in both cases I thought if Hawk stayed back on the receiver, he runs for the first down.

Obviously it's impossible to say for certain but I agree with RN. 31 was closing fast and barring him missing the tackle it looks like he'd have had him well before the 9 yard line.

 

[Eminence]

And to think we thought Aaron was the best Quarterback ever.

 

[TenTimes]

Can't imagine what that game did to Packer fans yesterday.

All I can say is this is the last season the Seahawks get Wilson for peanuts, and Eddie Lacy is going to be something special, so the future isn't looking so bad for you guys

Hawks have the money to lock up Wilson long term, as well as the other big FA this coming offseason (Wagner). Everyone else is already under contract for the most part. We will most likely lose Maxwell this offseason, but I trust Seattle to find a suitable replacement for him.

On a related note, I really hope Dan Quinn doesn't take Kris Richard with him to ATL.

I probably don't know the salary cap situation as well as you, and I know trading Harvin away helps, but I'm not sure it's possible to positively spin Wilson's $20+ million pay raise He deserves to be the highest paid player in the league, especially if he wins his 2nd ring.

The positive way to spin it is that we have a qb deserving of an enormous contract. It's really the best case scenario. The way people talk about his contract it's like he'll be a millstone around the neck of the franchise. He's Russell ####### Wilson. And he's ours. That's the positive way to spin it.

No, you're totally right. There isn't a single player in the league I'd want ahead of Wilson, and that's not just the homerism talking.

He is 1.01 right now. 2 SB appearances in 3 years, world class role model, who else could it be?

 

[Sabertooth]

Seattle was the bettercte for sure. What I find funny is the articles stating it wasn't one play that did the Packers in. It wasn't Bosticka fault, wasn't Slocum or Mccarthys fault, wasn't Ha Has fault. The left a lot of plays out there. Blah blah blah. That type of thinking smacks of lack of accountability. In reality it was every single one of those guys' faults. Because another guy failed, doesn't mean you didn't fail. Losers talk like that.

The thing is, only Bostick stood up and took the blame. Good on him for that. Maybe he's the only one on that team with the true heart of a champion. Rodgers didn't take blame. He said "we" all the time. He's the one that threw the puck to start the game and missed Jordy. McCarthy never takes any blame. Thompson hasn't said anything at all. Ha ha hasn't said a peep. Hawk hasn't talked about bagging up the fake field goal.

Only Bostick has taken his lumps.

Thus meltdown didn't happen to the Packers. They did it. They screwed the pooch. The "we" didn't capitalize mentality is merely a BS line the losers use to escape blame.

 

[Sabertooth]

That's a terrible angle, to be fair. I can't find the replay from the end zone which they showed on the FOX broadcast. I'd be floored if he would have beaten Davon House to the 9 yard line.

Considering how lackadaisical House was on his pass rush he was probably already jogging off the field.

 

[The Kerminator]

The Seahawks played the Packers twice this year, went 2-0 with a cumulative score of 64-38 - a 13 point average margin of victory. If you are not a packers fan, it's pretty clear who the better team is.

By this same logic, the Chargers, Chiefs and Cowboys are all better teams than the Seahawks. If your not a Seahawks fan, it's pretty clear who the better team is.

 

[Sabertooth]

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/mike-mccarthy-should-get-plenty-of-blame-for-packers-loss-b99429413z1-289103671.html

 

[TDorBust]

The Seahawks played the Packers twice this year, went 2-0 with a cumulative score of 64-38 - a 13 point average margin of victory. If you are not a packers fan, it's pretty clear who the better team is.

Yup lets take two games in Seattle one of the toughest places to play to determine who is clearly better. Seattle earned the home game and that's why they won. Seattle was clearly the better team in week 1 though.No way in the world you convince me Seattle goes to Green Bay and wins yesterday. That being said Seattle had the better overall season and that's why they are in the Super Bowl.

So it is your contention that home field advantage is worth 13 points? Damn, the 12th man really is the MVP!

Scientist, DD, General, Hooper, Biju (sorry for anyone I didn't list) , you hear that? This guy's giving us a hell of a compliment. Pretty sure he's calling us the best fan base in football. Ever! By a lot!

I think his contention was that home field advantage was worth at least one point. Maybe you meant to reply to a different post?

Ya very strange that a person would average two games over 20 weeks apart (about as far apart as can be) to come up with average win very illogical.

I will be interested to see how New England comes out. I think you see a good running game is key to beating Seattle. Bellichek has 2 week to prepare so he could come up with some crazy stuff.

 

[Dismattle]

The Seahawks are clearly the better team. I am pretty upset about this loss, but have serious doubts about GB's ability to win even 1 out of 10 games in seattle.

Seattle had an absolutely miserable game on offense. Wilson was in a funk and had some terrible luck with I believe two balls bouncing off receivers hands right into GB hands and one pass basically sticking to haha like he was a velcro wall. Yet somehow with all of that going wrong GB was only up two scores. They seemed awfully happy with that. Seattle almost seemed comfortable. When the clock was winding down and they were still running the ball I thought it was pretty brilliant. Seattle is the only team that would have even considered that. Which is kind of funny when you think about it. Look how often NFL teams will throw a two yard pass to a guy with a defender right on him in the two minute drill, but would never in a million years run off the right tackle. If you stop and think about it what's the difference?

Rodgers didnt play well, but what I found most intimidating about the Seahawks defense was that on almost every throw where Rodgers threw to a spot or by timing(rather than seeing the play develop and hitting an open receiver) the Seattle defender was right there. The missed TD to Jordy was the rare exception. That shows Rodgers and company were not only outplayed by the seattle def, but they were also outcoached and outcalled.

Great game I am sure for a neutral fan. Good luck Seattle, you deserve it.

No, Seattle isn't clearly better. The game went to OT and Rodger's calf injury was a factor as he was much less mobile. Game game down to some big plays and maybe a little luck (2 point conversion?) down the stretch - Give Seattle credit for that. And maybe GB stopped playing to soon... but these teams were well matched.

Seattle was 2-0 against GB this year. Crushed them the first time. They had 5 turnovers and still pulled out the win the second time. Clearly Seattle's defense has Green Bay's number. Does anybody really think that the GB defense has a chance to do that again to the Seattle offense? More than likely subsequent games would look more like the last 3 minutes and OT than the first 57 minutes.

I still need to watch every play w my own eyes (apologies if I'm way off base)

I'm thinking both teams had " strategies" going into the game. The first TD being thrown by the kicker negates any real plans.. Can we fault the Coach ( bad plan) OR the Players ( poor execution ). I think it best to say the " underdog team) came to play ...

Seattle accepted a gift is what IM thinking...

It pains me to admit that I believe NFL Teams will at times not perform at their full potential during the regular Season However if your really shocked about GB' s performance?

I'm thankful it wasn't the Cownoys, because I would think about same results. Except some coaches / players would be held accountable

Now I like Dynasty's and all, but Seattle better keep working IF they aspire to become a Dynasty team..

p.s. Any given Sunday

 

[Hooper31]

Question for a Packer fan: Why isn't Mathews a defensive captain?

It just seemed odd to me. Is there a story here? Is it a non-story?

nip

 

[Andy Dufresne]

He is 1.01 right now. 2 SB appearances in 3 years, world class role model, who else could it be?

Andrew Luck. Without him the Colts are picking top 10 again, not playing in the AFC Championship.

But Wilson is definitely in the conversation.

 

[Sabertooth]

I still take Rodgers over anyone. Let's see how Seattle does once Russell is making top dollar. He makes what? 5% or what Other top Qbs make? That's why I hope Seattle wins. He'll be one of the highest paid players in the NFL is he wins another super bowl.

 

[ImTheScientist]

I still take Rodgers over anyone. Let's see how Seattle does once Russell is making top dollar. He makes what? 5% or what Other top Qbs make? That's why I hope Seattle wins. He'll be one of the highest paid players in the NFL is he wins another super bowl.

I'll take Russell over him. He is 3-0 against Rodgers now.

 

[Sabertooth]

Yep. Rodgers is due.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I still take Rodgers over anyone. Let's see how Seattle does once Russell is making top dollar. He makes what? 5% or what Other top Qbs make? That's why I hope Seattle wins. He'll be one of the highest paid players in the NFL is he wins another super bowl.

I'll take Russell over him. He is 3-0 against Rodgers now.

If they switched teams do you still take Wilson?

I think in that scenario, Rodgers is 3-0 vs Wilson.

 

[Sabertooth]

Of course if McCarthy is coaching this fictitious Seattle team, he ####s the bed and gives up at the 55:00 mark so Wilson still wins.

 

[ImTheScientist]

I still take Rodgers over anyone. Let's see how Seattle does once Russell is making top dollar. He makes what? 5% or what Other top Qbs make? That's why I hope Seattle wins. He'll be one of the highest paid players in the NFL is he wins another super bowl.

I'll take Russell over him. He is 3-0 against Rodgers now.

If they switched teams do you still take Wilson?

I think in that scenario, Rodgers is 3-0 vs Wilson.

I do. He's younger, has the most wins through his first 3 years in NFL history, more mobile, 10-0 against Superbowl winning QBs, has more comeback wins in his career than Rodgers (15 to 11), has the same number of playoff wins and far fewer losses.

 

[tommy300]

Yeah way to count the fail Mary game in the 3-0 record...only Seattle fans really think that ending was correct.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I still take Rodgers over anyone. Let's see how Seattle does once Russell is making top dollar. He makes what? 5% or what Other top Qbs make? That's why I hope Seattle wins. He'll be one of the highest paid players in the NFL is he wins another super bowl.

I'll take Russell over him. He is 3-0 against Rodgers now.

If they switched teams do you still take Wilson?

I think in that scenario, Rodgers is 3-0 vs Wilson.

I do. He's younger, has the most wins through his first 3 years in NFL history, more mobile, 10-0 against Superbowl winning QBs, has more comeback wins in his career than Rodgers (15 to 11), has the same number of playoff wins and far fewer losses.

Valid argument. But having the benefit of playing on a team with an historically good defense has its advantages.

Not taking away from RW at all though. He's awesome.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Yeah way to count the fail Mary game in the 3-0 record...only Seattle fans really think that ending was correct.

Doesn't matter what I think or you think. It only matters what the NFL said. Russell is 3-0 against Rodgers.....thats a fact.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Yeah way to count the fail Mary game in the 3-0 record...only Seattle fans really think that ending was correct.

Doesn't matter what I think or you think. It only matters what the NFL said. Russell is 3-0 against Rodgers.....thats a fact.

Well sort of. It's not like they're playing 1 on 1 basketball or shootout hockey.

 

[proninja]

I still take Rodgers over anyone. Let's see how Seattle does once Russell is making top dollar. He makes what? 5% or what Other top Qbs make? That's why I hope Seattle wins. He'll be one of the highest paid players in the NFL is he wins another super bowl.

In the first year of his deal Russell's cap hit is still going to be comparatively very low (though much higher than it is now), Hsu estimates $8m. Also, here is a list of Seahawks defensive players who are not signed for next year.

Byron Maxwell

Kevin Williams

Jeron Johnson

O'Brien Schofield

Mike Morgan

Demarcus Dobbs.

In other words, that defense you just had the pleasure of watching returns 9 of 11 starters. It's probably a little early to predict doom for them. We've got some pretty good cap guys over here along with the richest owner in sports. The idea that this is all falling apart when Russell gets paid is just wishful thinking. Is Green Bay falling apart now that they pay Rodgers a ton? Of course not. They've got the best QB in football, and a very smart front office.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

I hope the dinged up Seattle players all can return to health in time for the Super Bowl. In addition to Thomas and Sherman I seem to remember an offensive lineman getting bent awkwardly. I also recall that Seattle's big T.E. left the game for at least a time. I can't think of his name but I recall him having some impactful plays over the latter half of the season.

As for my guys, most of their wounds from the game seem to be mostly psychological. Those scars may never fully heal.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

I hope the dinged up Seattle players all can return to health in time for the Super Bowl. In addition to Thomas and Sherman I seem to remember an offensive lineman getting bent awkwardly. I also recall that Seattle's big T.E. left the game for at least a time. I can't think of his name but I recall him having some impactful plays over the latter half of the season.

As for my guys, most of their wounds from the game seem to be mostly psychological. Those scars may never fully heal.

I was almost certain that Wilson was concussed after the hit by Mathews. I've not read much since Sunday, but would expect that to be a topic. I would not be surprised to see a fine for that - seemed a bit excessive and could likely be interpreted as an intentional head-shot.

 

[Pipes]

Looked to me like GB was in a fake-aware formation on the fake FG but Hawk totally abandoned his responsibility. Even if the DL didn't prevent a first down, no way the holder was going to score

I've read all the comment about this. The mechanics of the play; who takes the blame, etc. I just watched this again about 10 times (it's on NFLN right now).... bottom line, if Hawk runs with the 400-lb. eligible receiver, Green Bay wins. Ryan may get the corner, but he has ZERO shot to run for the 1st down and nobody else to throw the ball to. Hawk's lack of discipline made that play happen.

Yeah they were not in fake aware. According to Cowherd (great source I know) Carroll noticed a tendency for the outside rusher for the Packers to cheat inside on FG attempts so put in a situational fake and practiced it during the week. Of course Slocum didn't notice this nor correct the problem.

 

[Pipes]

Seattle was the bettercte for sure. What I find funny is the articles stating it wasn't one play that did the Packers in. It wasn't Bosticka fault, wasn't Slocum or Mccarthys fault, wasn't Ha Has fault. The left a lot of plays out there. Blah blah blah. That type of thinking smacks of lack of accountability. In reality it was every single one of those guys' faults. Because another guy failed, doesn't mean you didn't fail. Losers talk like that.

The thing is, only Bostick stood up and took the blame. Good on him for that. Maybe he's the only one on that team with the true heart of a champion. Rodgers didn't take blame. He said "we" all the time. He's the one that threw the puck to start the game and missed Jordy. McCarthy never takes any blame. Thompson hasn't said anything at all. Ha ha hasn't said a peep. Hawk hasn't talked about bagging up the fake field goal.

Only Bostick has taken his lumps.

Thus meltdown didn't happen to the Packers. They did it. They screwed the pooch. The "we" didn't capitalize mentality is merely a BS line the losers use to escape blame.

To me this attitude starts at the top doesn't it?

 

[Pipes]

The Seahawks played the Packers twice this year, went 2-0 with a cumulative score of 64-38 - a 13 point average margin of victory. If you are not a packers fan, it's pretty clear who the better team is.

By this same logic, the Chargers, Chiefs and Cowboys are all better teams than the Seahawks. If your not a Seahawks fan, it's pretty clear who the better team is.

Jesus let it go. The Seahawks are the better team since they won the game. Any talk of the Packers outplayed them crap for 3 quarters is just sour grapes.

 

[TDorBust]

I still take Rodgers over anyone. Let's see how Seattle does once Russell is making top dollar. He makes what? 5% or what Other top Qbs make? That's why I hope Seattle wins. He'll be one of the highest paid players in the NFL is he wins another super bowl.

I'll take Russell over him. He is 3-0 against Rodgers now.

If they switched teams do you still take Wilson?

I think in that scenario, Rodgers is 3-0 vs Wilson.

I do. He's younger, has the most wins through his first 3 years in NFL history, more mobile, 10-0 against Superbowl winning QBs, has more comeback wins in his career than Rodgers (15 to 11), has the same number of playoff wins and far fewer losses.

After Sunday I can see why Wilson has more comebacks. Don't you believe the Seahawks were a better team by a long shot? So the Packers even being in the game was a miracle that Rodgers and team allowed. Wilson threw a few interceptions to allow himself to chalk up another comeback.

Comeback more like blown game by Wilson with the last couple of mins being good for him.

 

[Sabertooth]

I still take Rodgers over anyone. Let's see how Seattle does once Russell is making top dollar. He makes what? 5% or what Other top Qbs make? That's why I hope Seattle wins. He'll be one of the highest paid players in the NFL is he wins another super bowl.

In the first year of his deal Russell's cap hit is still going to be comparatively very low (though much higher than it is now), Hsu estimates $8m. Also, here is a list of Seahawks defensive players who are not signed for next year.

Byron Maxwell

Kevin Williams

Jeron Johnson

O'Brien Schofield

Mike Morgan

Demarcus Dobbs.

In other words, that defense you just had the pleasure of watching returns 9 of 11 starters. It's probably a little early to predict doom for them. We've got some pretty good cap guys over here along with the richest owner in sports. The idea that this is all falling apart when Russell gets paid is just wishful thinking. Is Green Bay falling apart now that they pay Rodgers a ton? Of course not. They've got the best QB in football, and a very smart front office.

Not predicting doom for Seattle. But it would be nice to see a ***** or two in the armor. Compared to Green Bay, they are better coached, have much better defensive players and they have a killer instinct. I'm hoping that losing Marshawn and some coaches level the playing field a bit because I believe Green Bay is close to them. Maybe next year Green Bay will beat the Bills and host the game instead of travelling and squandering it through mental weakness.

 

[Sabertooth]

Seattle was the bettercte for sure. What I find funny is the articles stating it wasn't one play that did the Packers in. It wasn't Bosticka fault, wasn't Slocum or Mccarthys fault, wasn't Ha Has fault. The left a lot of plays out there. Blah blah blah. That type of thinking smacks of lack of accountability. In reality it was every single one of those guys' faults. Because another guy failed, doesn't mean you didn't fail. Losers talk like that.

The thing is, only Bostick stood up and took the blame. Good on him for that. Maybe he's the only one on that team with the true heart of a champion. Rodgers didn't take blame. He said "we" all the time. He's the one that threw the puck to start the game and missed Jordy. McCarthy never takes any blame. Thompson hasn't said anything at all. Ha ha hasn't said a peep. Hawk hasn't talked about bagging up the fake field goal.

Only Bostick has taken his lumps.

Thus meltdown didn't happen to the Packers. They did it. They screwed the pooch. The "we" didn't capitalize mentality is merely a BS line the losers use to escape blame.

To me this attitude starts at the top doesn't it?

Absolutely. Starts with McCarthy and Thompson. The difference between McCarthy and Thompson in my opinion is humility. Thompson has it, McCarthy does not.

 

[ImTheScientist]

I still take Rodgers over anyone. Let's see how Seattle does once Russell is making top dollar. He makes what? 5% or what Other top Qbs make? That's why I hope Seattle wins. He'll be one of the highest paid players in the NFL is he wins another super bowl.

In the first year of his deal Russell's cap hit is still going to be comparatively very low (though much higher than it is now), Hsu estimates $8m. Also, here is a list of Seahawks defensive players who are not signed for next year.

Byron Maxwell

Kevin Williams

Jeron Johnson

O'Brien Schofield

Mike Morgan

Demarcus Dobbs.

In other words, that defense you just had the pleasure of watching returns 9 of 11 starters. It's probably a little early to predict doom for them. We've got some pretty good cap guys over here along with the richest owner in sports. The idea that this is all falling apart when Russell gets paid is just wishful thinking. Is Green Bay falling apart now that they pay Rodgers a ton? Of course not. They've got the best QB in football, and a very smart front office.

Not predicting doom for Seattle. But it would be nice to see a ***** or two in the armor. Compared to Green Bay, they are better coached, have much better defensive players and they have a killer instinct. I'm hoping that losing Marshawn and some coaches level the playing field a bit because I believe Green Bay is close to them. Maybe next year Green Bay will beat the Bills and host the game instead of travelling and squandering it through mental weakness.

Green Bay will be losing more key pieces this offseason then the Seahawks.

 

[Willy]

I still take Rodgers over anyone. Let's see how Seattle does once Russell is making top dollar. He makes what? 5% or what Other top Qbs make? That's why I hope Seattle wins. He'll be one of the highest paid players in the NFL is he wins another super bowl.

In the first year of his deal Russell's cap hit is still going to be comparatively very low (though much higher than it is now), Hsu estimates $8m. Also, here is a list of Seahawks defensive players who are not signed for next year.

Byron Maxwell

Kevin Williams

Jeron Johnson

O'Brien Schofield

Mike Morgan

Demarcus Dobbs.

In other words, that defense you just had the pleasure of watching returns 9 of 11 starters. It's probably a little early to predict doom for them. We've got some pretty good cap guys over here along with the richest owner in sports. The idea that this is all falling apart when Russell gets paid is just wishful thinking. Is Green Bay falling apart now that they pay Rodgers a ton? Of course not. They've got the best QB in football, and a very smart front office.

Not predicting doom for Seattle. But it would be nice to see a ***** or two in the armor. Compared to Green Bay, they are better coached, have much better defensive players and they have a killer instinct. I'm hoping that losing Marshawn and some coaches level the playing field a bit because I believe Green Bay is close to them. Maybe next year Green Bay will beat the Bills and host the game instead of travelling and squandering it through mental weakness.

Green Bay will be losing more key pieces this offseason then the Seahawks.

Then the Seahawks what?

 

[Cheese and Crackers]

Looked to me like GB was in a fake-aware formation on the fake FG but Hawk totally abandoned his responsibility. Even if the DL didn't prevent a first down, no way the holder was going to score

I've read all the comment about this. The mechanics of the play; who takes the blame, etc. I just watched this again about 10 times (it's on NFLN right now).... bottom line, if Hawk runs with the 400-lb. eligible receiver, Green Bay wins. Ryan may get the corner, but he has ZERO shot to run for the 1st down and nobody else to throw the ball to. Hawk's lack of discipline made that play happen.

Yeah they were not in fake aware. According to Cowherd (great source I know) Carroll noticed a tendency for the outside rusher for the Packers to cheat inside on FG attempts so put in a situational fake and practiced it during the week. Of course Slocum didn't notice this nor correct the problem.

The bolded is why Slocum should be fired. The four eligible receivers should not have been allowed to get downfield.

When is the last time any kick has been blocked by an edge rusher?

 

[Sabertooth]

Looked to me like GB was in a fake-aware formation on the fake FG but Hawk totally abandoned his responsibility. Even if the DL didn't prevent a first down, no way the holder was going to score

I've read all the comment about this. The mechanics of the play; who takes the blame, etc. I just watched this again about 10 times (it's on NFLN right now).... bottom line, if Hawk runs with the 400-lb. eligible receiver, Green Bay wins. Ryan may get the corner, but he has ZERO shot to run for the 1st down and nobody else to throw the ball to. Hawk's lack of discipline made that play happen.

Yeah they were not in fake aware. According to Cowherd (great source I know) Carroll noticed a tendency for the outside rusher for the Packers to cheat inside on FG attempts so put in a situational fake and practiced it during the week. Of course Slocum didn't notice this nor correct the problem.

The bolded is why Slocum should be fired. The four eligible receivers should not have been allowed to get downfield.

When is the last time any kick has been blocked by an edge rusher?

Agreed. They chance of blocking that was <%5 at best. Dumb dumb dumb.

 

[TDorBust]

I still take Rodgers over anyone. Let's see how Seattle does once Russell is making top dollar. He makes what? 5% or what Other top Qbs make? That's why I hope Seattle wins. He'll be one of the highest paid players in the NFL is he wins another super bowl.

In the first year of his deal Russell's cap hit is still going to be comparatively very low (though much higher than it is now), Hsu estimates $8m. Also, here is a list of Seahawks defensive players who are not signed for next year.

Byron Maxwell

Kevin Williams

Jeron Johnson

O'Brien Schofield

Mike Morgan

Demarcus Dobbs.

In other words, that defense you just had the pleasure of watching returns 9 of 11 starters. It's probably a little early to predict doom for them. We've got some pretty good cap guys over here along with the richest owner in sports. The idea that this is all falling apart when Russell gets paid is just wishful thinking. Is Green Bay falling apart now that they pay Rodgers a ton? Of course not. They've got the best QB in football, and a very smart front office.

Not predicting doom for Seattle. But it would be nice to see a ***** or two in the armor. Compared to Green Bay, they are better coached, have much better defensive players and they have a killer instinct. I'm hoping that losing Marshawn and some coaches level the playing field a bit because I believe Green Bay is close to them. Maybe next year Green Bay will beat the Bills and host the game instead of travelling and squandering it through mental weakness.

I am hoping they lose Marshawn but for a different reason. I want to see what Wilson can truly do. Right now he is the best game manager in the league with a flash of Elite from time to time. I owned Wilson in both my leagues (started in 1 and behind Luck in the other) and I must say it was frustrating to see Seattle just pound the ball all game and not really allow Wilson to do anything.

I would see Wilson with another Super Bowl appearance going for around $20 mil a year towards the cap as anything less would really be an insult unless they don't believe Wilson is really apart of what makes them great (which I would think they do). http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/positional/quarterback/

Also I would assume that the Seahawks try to resign Wilson and Wagner this offseason prior to them going into their final year of their rookie contracts. Seahawks have the ability to stay great but it becomes a lot harder when you lose 15-18 million more to the QB location when that money can purchase a ton of talent at other positions.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/seattle-seahawks/