NFL Admits they blew call on Favre's INT (1 Viewer)

[ATC1]

I don't think it's so much as criticizing the Saints but giving credit where credit is due. IMO it seems there have been two themes: 1) The Saints benefited more from poor calls by the refs or 2) The Vikings were the better team but if it weren't for the turnovers they would have won.As to point 1, bad calls happen every NFL game. The Vikings were still in a position to win the game and didn't make the play that needed to be made. The Saints did. Good for themPoint 2, The Saints still had a better record during the regular season so it's hard to argue the Vikings were the better team. Sure the Vikings turned the ball over and may have won if they hadn't, but give credit to the NO defense. I believe they were second in the league in creating turnovers. I heard an interview where Darren Sharper said they knew going into the game that Favre was good for 3 INT chances and they needed to make the play when it was there. They got 2. He also said they knew that Peterson was fumble prone, so that was a point of emphasis during the week. They also noticed on film that the MIN WRs were slow to tuck the ball away so that was a point of emphasis as well. Give the NO coaching staff for noticing and emphasizing this and to the players for making it happen.Good for the Saints. To make it to the Superbowl takes a lot and they deserve all the credit.

A lot of questonable calls in the game. There were some for both ways IMO, the Saints seemed to not kill themselves much like the Vikings did to win the game. The questionable calls in OT certainly put the Saints in a great position to win the game, and they did just that. Regaurdless of how they won, I'll take it!! Next up the Colts. Going to have to play a lot better this weekend.

Honestly the Saints fans on this board make me want to root against them Sunday. I wonder if they are all like that?

Nonbias posters are right. Saints have never been there before and it shows, but as a Saints fan I can not blame them. They don't know how to deal with the microscope. The Commish wants to ban non-NFL "Who Dat" and fluer de lis shirts from being sold, a lot of people in the media don't give them a chance against the Colts after how they played against the Vikings, and they have to deal with the NFL now coming out and saying that there were blown calls working in their favor in a OT game. Every place you go in New Orleans people scream "Whot Dat" at you and you get a "Who Dat" back. Fans buy each other a beer and talk about an amazing season and talk about their plans for a crawfishbowl on Sunday looking forward to a Saints victory. It's what I expected and somewhat pathetic to the rest of the country, but at the same time I don't care. I'm going to enjoy these 2 weeks leading up to the SB because come Sunday it may not matter.

 

[Doug B]

I don't know the OP but if that's the case then Saints fans were played like a fiddle.

Undoubtedly.What I disagreed with some posters about (mostly Ghost Rider) is that other fan bases wouldn't react the same way to the same kind of OP. This is why I think Patriots fan reaction to Raiders-fan ribbing after the "tuck rule" game is comparable and relevant.

EDIT: another good comparison is Patriots fan reactions to the Spygate stuff ... many Pats fans went many dozens of pages defending their squad against accusations that they "really didn't beat" the Rams in 2003.

 

[guderian]

 

[ConstruxBoy]

I don't think it's so much as criticizing the Saints but giving credit where credit is due. IMO it seems there have been two themes: 1) The Saints benefited more from poor calls by the refs or 2) The Vikings were the better team but if it weren't for the turnovers they would have won.As to point 1, bad calls happen every NFL game. The Vikings were still in a position to win the game and didn't make the play that needed to be made. The Saints did. Good for themPoint 2, The Saints still had a better record during the regular season so it's hard to argue the Vikings were the better team. Sure the Vikings turned the ball over and may have won if they hadn't, but give credit to the NO defense. I believe they were second in the league in creating turnovers. I heard an interview where Darren Sharper said they knew going into the game that Favre was good for 3 INT chances and they needed to make the play when it was there. They got 2. He also said they knew that Peterson was fumble prone, so that was a point of emphasis during the week. They also noticed on film that the MIN WRs were slow to tuck the ball away so that was a point of emphasis as well. Give the NO coaching staff for noticing and emphasizing this and to the players for making it happen.Good for the Saints. To make it to the Superbowl takes a lot and they deserve all the credit.

A lot of questonable calls in the game. There were some for both ways IMO, the Saints seemed to not kill themselves much like the Vikings did to win the game. The questionable calls in OT certainly put the Saints in a great position to win the game, and they did just that. Regaurdless of how they won, I'll take it!! Next up the Colts. Going to have to play a lot better this weekend.

Honestly the Saints fans on this board make me want to root against them Sunday. I wonder if they are all like that?

Nonbias posters are right. Saints have never been there before and it shows, but as a Saints fan I can not blame them. They don't know how to deal with the microscope. The Commish wants to ban non-NFL "Who Dat" and fluer de lis shirts from being sold, a lot of people in the media don't give them a chance against the Colts after how they played against the Vikings, and they have to deal with the NFL now coming out and saying that there were blown calls working in their favor in a OT game. Every place you go in New Orleans people scream "Whot Dat" at you and you get a "Who Dat" back. Fans buy each other a beer and talk about an amazing season and talk about their plans for a crawfishbowl on Sunday looking forward to a Saints victory. It's what I expected and somewhat pathetic to the rest of the country, but at the same time I don't care. I'm going to enjoy these 2 weeks leading up to the SB because come Sunday it may not matter.

Well you guys certainly have a reason to celebrate. Enjoy it!

 

[guderian]

I've said a number of times now, the Vikings deserved to lose, and the Saints deserved to win. All of these things, like the refs, the 12 men on the field, Favre's INT, AP's fumbling, don't matter -- the scoreboard tells the tale.That said, I'm a little taken back by the lack of recognition by some of the Saints fans in this forum... their team played well, and ended up on top, but there doesn't seem to be an awareness of how close they came to losing -- OT at home, with the Vikings giving up 5 turnovers, and all this other stuff that's coming out after the game. To a large extent, the Vikings lost this game when they lost to Carolina & Chicago, forfeiting home field advantage. The Saints were up when the game ended, but they weren't clearly the better team that day, as it seems many Saints fans in these forums seem to feel.To the Viking fans here that are lamenting how this game turned out... I'm with ya, but to paraphrase Jimmy Dugan.. "there's no whining in football!"

Good point, but it's tough to offer the recognition you seek when there's probably several hundred posts on this message board that take all the credit away from the Saints and hand it to the refs. After the end of regulation I texted a friend about the relative penalty yardage and it was 15-to-88 to the benefit of the Vikings, yet as soon as you get to FBGs it's all about the officials giving the game to the Vikings. Saints fans aren't an uppity, defensive bunch but if there was less complaining about the refs, then you'd probably be getting more of the recognition that you mentioned.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

I don't know the OP but if that's the case then Saints fans were played like a fiddle.

Undoubtedly.What I disagreed with some posters about (mostly Ghost Rider) is that other fan bases wouldn't react the same way to the same kind of OP. This is why I think Patriots fan reaction to Raiders-fan ribbing after the "tuck rule" game is comparable and relevant.

EDIT: another good comparison is Patriots fan reactions to the Spygate stuff ... many Pats fans went many dozens of pages defending their squad against accusations that they "really didn't beat" the Rams in 2003.

Perhaps any fan base in the same situation would have fans who would act the same way. Like Seahawks fans making a huge deal out of the officiating in their SB (which, to be honest, was more one-sided than I've ever seen in a SB-- but it's not like the Steelers showed up with their helmets on backwards and weren't playing, either. It was a close game and they might have won anyway). I don't recall how Buccaneers fans acted before their SB, but I know the story was how the Eagles choked it away again-- not how the Buccaneers took it. Maybe that would have bothered the fan base, but I suspect most wouldn't have cared about the story being about the other team. But maybe I'm wrong. They sure hadn't ever been there, either.

Glad some fans are simply enjoying their time here. Might be over next Sunday night...but then again, maybe it will be just starting and it will be the greatest off-season in Louisiana history.

 

[AffVid]

You don't see the team being attacked and I haven't seen people say they don't belong there. What I DO see are hyper-sensitive fans pledging to rush to the team's defense and lashing out at folks who have eyes and saw the calls in OT, even though they're not saying the Saints only won because of them or don't belong there. It's like a puppy with a chew toy who growls when anyone walks in the room. Nobody is trying to take the toy. If some folks are playing like they're going to take it...don't growl at everyone in the house. Nobody can take it; it's yours. Then a few have real chips on their shoulders and go off the rails. But I've been clear that I don't consider them representative of Saints fans.

Would have to agree with this. In a couple exchanges I have had with Saints fans on this board it does seem like they are overly sensitive to what was actually said and spend a lot of time defending phantom accusations that no one is really making. (There does seem to be more rational thought with the last couple posts in this thread.) But no, they are probably not much different than any other fans that have been in their position. Bottom line is that the Saints are a very good team. Nobody is going to remember 10 years from now the details of how they won the NFC Championship game. There is no reason to think they can't beat the Colts if they play well. New Orleans finally being in the Super Bowl is a great story as well. It is easy to buy into the "world is against us" mentality, but the best thing the Saints and Colts fans can do is enjoy this week because they don't come around often.

 

[Moniker]

You don't see the team being attacked and I haven't seen people say they don't belong there. What I DO see are hyper-sensitive fans pledging to rush to the team's defense and lashing out at folks who have eyes and saw the calls in OT, even though they're not saying the Saints only won because of them or don't belong there. It's like a puppy with a chew toy who growls when anyone walks in the room. Nobody is trying to take the toy. If some folks are playing like they're going to take it...don't growl at everyone in the house. Nobody can take it; it's yours.

Then a few have real chips on their shoulders and go off the rails. But I've been clear that I don't consider them representative of Saints fans.

Would have to agree with this. In a couple exchanges I have had with Saints fans on this board it does seem like they are overly sensitive to what was actually said and spend a lot of time defending phantom accusations that no one is really making. (There does seem to be more rational thought with the last couple posts in this thread.) But no, they are probably not much different than any other fans that have been in their position. Bottom line is that the Saints are a very good team. Nobody is going to remember 10 years from now the details of how they won the NFC Championship game. There is no reason to think they can't beat the Colts if they play well. New Orleans finally being in the Super Bowl is a great story as well. It is easy to buy into the "world is against us" mentality, but the best thing the Saints and Colts fans can do is enjoy this week because they don't come around often.

This.

 

[guderian]

I don't know the OP but if that's the case then Saints fans were played like a fiddle.

Undoubtedly.What I disagreed with some posters about (mostly Ghost Rider) is that other fan bases wouldn't react the same way to the same kind of OP. This is why I think Patriots fan reaction to Raiders-fan ribbing after the "tuck rule" game is comparable and relevant.

EDIT: another good comparison is Patriots fan reactions to the Spygate stuff ... many Pats fans went many dozens of pages defending their squad against accusations that they "really didn't beat" the Rams in 2003.

Perhaps any fan base in the same situation would have fans who would act the same way. Like Seahawks fans making a huge deal out of the officiating in their SB (which, to be honest, was more one-sided than I've ever seen in a SB-- but it's not like the Steelers showed up with their helmets on backwards and weren't playing, either. It was a close game and they might have won anyway). I don't recall how Buccaneers fans acted before their SB, but I know the story was how the Eagles choked it away again-- not how the Buccaneers took it. Maybe that would have bothered the fan base, but I suspect most wouldn't have cared about the story being about the other team. But maybe I'm wrong. They sure hadn't ever been there, either.

Glad some fans are simply enjoying their time here. Might be over next Sunday night...but then again, maybe it will be just starting and it will be the greatest off-season in Louisiana history.

Good God, who cares about this amateur psycho analysis crap? First off, it's 100% incorrect. There isn't one uniform group of "Saints fans" that you can psycho-analyze. Second, the "never been there before" 'conclusion' ignores that Saints fans are, in fact, fans of other teams too--most notably LSU--who has won 2 national championships this decade. I'm no LSU fan, but there's probably a good 70%+ overlap there. Your whole amateur psychologist shtick has got to be the dumbest thing I've read on the dozen or so threads devoted to whining about officials.

 

[sho nuff]

Honestly, I think either team that walked away with a victory from that game should consider themselves fortunate. And given that poor calls could have gone either way, doubly so.All I would add is that because the calls went the way they did it almost seems like a plan to rough the QB above-and-beyond what is persmissable in teh rules has been rewarded. I know it is football, but QBs are pretty vulnerable after they pass and sometimes after they hand off. Winning by intionally injuring the other team's QB would be a cheap path to the SB. Not saying the Saints did this, as I do not know how big a role Favre's injury played, but it appeared to me they sincerely wanted to injure him whether it was within the rules or not. Too many shots that looked a bit cheap for my taste.And I did not see the Vikings behave as if they were trying to hurt someone; they were just playing hard.

I did not see the Saints look even close like they were trying to hurt anyone either.The first big roughing call when the guy drove him into the ground. He hit him as soon as he was throwing...had no clue the ball was out and made a tackle. He lifted a bit and that is the reason for the call...but nothing worse than hits that are made quite often.The one on the handoff...player can easily say he thought Favre was coming to block.The other...I don't think any player was intentionally going for the knees or ankle. While the letter of the rule may say it should be roughing...I disagree with that rule when its a play of a guy coming around the edge like that and just continuing to go for the QB.There were bad calls...time to move on. Everyone.

 

[sho nuff]

Honestly the Saints fans on this board make me want to root against them Sunday. I wonder if they are all like that?

I don't blame them for any of it given all of the people whining about the refs and acting as if they did not deserve to win.

Well, they almost didn't deserve to win. Let's remember the more important point over all the ref bashing that the Saints won (or rather the Vikings lost) a coin flip. I have little doubt that the Vikings would have won if they had gotten the ball first. So really, OT is already a "luck of the coin flip" ending and when you add in the poor calls, I guess I felt more Saints fans should fell very, very lucky to win the game. Haven't seen that sentiment from them here.

Mike and Mike had the stat last week..and Im not sure if it included that game...or the previous games before it.But a conference championship game had/had gone to OT 4 times. The team that won the toss has won only one of them.How do you know the Vikings would have won? Maybe another fumble or INT would have happened. We have no clue.Just as when GB won the toss against AZ I had little doubt in my mind we would have been playing in New Orleans the next week. Did not happen.

 

[Statorama]

How do you know the Vikings would have won? Maybe another fumble or INT would have happened. We have no clue.Just as when GB won the toss against AZ I had little doubt in my mind we would have been playing in New Orleans the next week. Did not happen.

I had forgotten about that. Great point.

 

[cj*]

Don't get me wrong, the Saints and their fans want to beat Indy more than anything - from a football perspective, we are not "just happy to be there," but if Indy wins, it will take absolutely nothing away from what this season has meant.You are right about 2 things, though: it might not happen for another 40 years, and we will have fun.

x 100Love the view point that "losing the Super Bowl" = "going 0-16". No, no one said exactly that ... but some of the takes in here, extended to their logical conclusions, mean the exact same thing.

Making the superbowl and not winning does not wipe out decades of futility.<----------- a bengals fan

 

[Doug B]

Making the superbowl and not winning does not wipe out decades of futility.

Depends on the point of view of the aggregate fan base -- you cannot define that from Cincinnati. The 2009 Saints will be the kings of New Orleans forever no matter what happens Sunday.EDIT: Nothing truly wipes out "decades of futility" anyway. It happened, it's always there, and the fans have to own it to some extent. With time, past futility gets to matter less and less, I suppose. But it's not like Steeler fans can now say "the Steelers rocked throughout the 1950s & 1960s,", or that Bucs fans can pretend T.B. was an 80s juggernaut.

 

[Zigg]

Don't get me wrong, the Saints and their fans want to beat Indy more than anything - from a football perspective, we are not "just happy to be there," but if Indy wins, it will take absolutely nothing away from what this season has meant.You are right about 2 things, though: it might not happen for another 40 years, and we will have fun.

x 100Love the view point that "losing the Super Bowl" = "going 0-16". No, no one said exactly that ... but some of the takes in here, extended to their logical conclusions, mean the exact same thing.

Making the superbowl and not winning does not wipe out decades of futility.<----------- a bengals fan

Expectations were raised by the Big Red Machine. I honestly think this team will be revered, even with a loss, until the Saints win the Super Bowl.

 

[Doug B]

The Bengals are actually quite a different case. They were a very solid team throughout the 1970s & 1980s, and then the bottom fell out. They made their two Super Bowls during a sustained period of good football.

 

[munchkin]

Don't get me wrong, the Saints and their fans want to beat Indy more than anything - from a football perspective, we are not "just happy to be there," but if Indy wins, it will take absolutely nothing away from what this season has meant.

You are right about 2 things, though: it might not happen for another 40 years, and we will have fun.

x 100Love the view point that "losing the Super Bowl" = "going 0-16". No, no one said exactly that ... but some of the takes in here, extended to their logical conclusions, mean the exact same thing.

Making the superbowl and not winning does not wipe out decades of futility.<----------- a bengals fan

Nice to see a Bengals fan chime in here; particularly when discussing futility and losing in a SB, though their game against the 49ers was an excellent game to watch.So for the Vikings fans (and others who want to cast stones at the Saints) let's take a walk down memory lane:

The heavily favored Vikings lost that game to the Kansas City Chiefs 23–7.[8]

However, the Dolphins prevailed, 24–7.

The Vikings played in their second straight Super Bowl, Super Bowl IX (3rd overall), losing to the Pittsburgh Steelers, 16–6, at Tulane Stadium in New Orleans on January 12, 1975.[4][5]

The Vikings played in Super Bowl XI, their third Super Bowl (4th overall) in 4 years, against the Oakland Raiders at the Rose Bowl in Pasadena, California,on January 9, 1977. The Vikings, however, couldn't break their bad luck in the Super Bowl. Minnesota lost, 32–14.[5]

There are probably a number of reasons the Twins are getting there new Stadium and the Vikings can't buy (12 million for Favre) a break in their own pursuit of a new venue but one of them has to be decades of futility.

 

[ATC1]

Don't get me wrong, the Saints and their fans want to beat Indy more than anything - from a football perspective, we are not "just happy to be there," but if Indy wins, it will take absolutely nothing away from what this season has meant.You are right about 2 things, though: it might not happen for another 40 years, and we will have fun.

x 100Love the view point that "losing the Super Bowl" = "going 0-16". No, no one said exactly that ... but some of the takes in here, extended to their logical conclusions, mean the exact same thing.

Making the superbowl and not winning does not wipe out decades of futility.<----------- a bengals fan

Expectations were raised by the Big Red Machine. I honestly think this team will be revered, even with a loss, until the Saints win the Super Bowl.

This doesn't need to discussed until Sunday, but of course I hope not. How long was the Saint's first playoff game win revered? Hasslett and the 2001 Saints were revered until Payton got to the NFC Championship? or was it until the next couple of seasons which lead to the firing of Hasslett?

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Honestly the Saints fans on this board make me want to root against them Sunday. I wonder if they are all like that?

I don't blame them for any of it given all of the people whining about the refs and acting as if they did not deserve to win.

Well, they almost didn't deserve to win. Let's remember the more important point over all the ref bashing that the Saints won (or rather the Vikings lost) a coin flip. I have little doubt that the Vikings would have won if they had gotten the ball first. So really, OT is already a "luck of the coin flip" ending and when you add in the poor calls, I guess I felt more Saints fans should fell very, very lucky to win the game. Haven't seen that sentiment from them here.

Mike and Mike had the stat last week..and Im not sure if it included that game...or the previous games before it.But a conference championship game had/had gone to OT 4 times. The team that won the toss has won only one of them.How do you know the Vikings would have won? Maybe another fumble or INT would have happened. We have no clue.Just as when GB won the toss against AZ I had little doubt in my mind we would have been playing in New Orleans the next week. Did not happen.

Ironic that the refs missed a pretty blatant face mask on Rodgers in the deciding play in that game. And kudos for not saying Favre would have thrown another pick in OT. That's what I was expecting, to be honest.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

I don't know the OP but if that's the case then Saints fans were played like a fiddle.

Undoubtedly.What I disagreed with some posters about (mostly Ghost Rider) is that other fan bases wouldn't react the same way to the same kind of OP. This is why I think Patriots fan reaction to Raiders-fan ribbing after the "tuck rule" game is comparable and relevant.

EDIT: another good comparison is Patriots fan reactions to the Spygate stuff ... many Pats fans went many dozens of pages defending their squad against accusations that they "really didn't beat" the Rams in 2003.

Perhaps any fan base in the same situation would have fans who would act the same way. Like Seahawks fans making a huge deal out of the officiating in their SB (which, to be honest, was more one-sided than I've ever seen in a SB-- but it's not like the Steelers showed up with their helmets on backwards and weren't playing, either. It was a close game and they might have won anyway). I don't recall how Buccaneers fans acted before their SB, but I know the story was how the Eagles choked it away again-- not how the Buccaneers took it. Maybe that would have bothered the fan base, but I suspect most wouldn't have cared about the story being about the other team. But maybe I'm wrong. They sure hadn't ever been there, either.

Glad some fans are simply enjoying their time here. Might be over next Sunday night...but then again, maybe it will be just starting and it will be the greatest off-season in Louisiana history.

Good God, who cares about this amateur psycho analysis crap? First off, it's 100% incorrect. There isn't one uniform group of "Saints fans" that you can psycho-analyze. Second, the "never been there before" 'conclusion' ignores that Saints fans are, in fact, fans of other teams too--most notably LSU--who has won 2 national championships this decade. I'm no LSU fan, but there's probably a good 70%+ overlap there. Your whole amateur psychologist shtick has got to be the dumbest thing I've read on the dozen or so threads devoted to whining about officials.

You have just validated everything I said. Thank you. I already said those fans aren't representative of the fans in general, meaning all fans aren't in one group...but your emotion didn't allow you to see it. Your uber-defensive position reveals the chip on your shoulder. And if all you've seen is "whining abut the officials" you didn't bother to read the thread.Yours is just another knee-jerk response to what you perceive is a slight against your team. My post is the dumbest thing you've read...but you just had to respond. Fortunately, you've been bailed out by clear-headed Saints fans in this thead. In any case, you have surely proven that you can't group all Saints fans together. Good luck Sunday.

 

[sho nuff]

Honestly the Saints fans on this board make me want to root against them Sunday. I wonder if they are all like that?

I don't blame them for any of it given all of the people whining about the refs and acting as if they did not deserve to win.

Well, they almost didn't deserve to win. Let's remember the more important point over all the ref bashing that the Saints won (or rather the Vikings lost) a coin flip. I have little doubt that the Vikings would have won if they had gotten the ball first. So really, OT is already a "luck of the coin flip" ending and when you add in the poor calls, I guess I felt more Saints fans should fell very, very lucky to win the game. Haven't seen that sentiment from them here.

Mike and Mike had the stat last week..and Im not sure if it included that game...or the previous games before it.But a conference championship game had/had gone to OT 4 times. The team that won the toss has won only one of them.How do you know the Vikings would have won? Maybe another fumble or INT would have happened. We have no clue.Just as when GB won the toss against AZ I had little doubt in my mind we would have been playing in New Orleans the next week. Did not happen.

Ironic that the refs missed a pretty blatant face mask on Rodgers in the deciding play in that game. And kudos for not saying Favre would have thrown another pick in OT. That's what I was expecting, to be honest.

The facemask they claim they got the call right...but they did admit the play before was a helmet to helmet hit.

 

[Doug B]

This doesn't need to discussed until Sunday, but of course I hope not. How long was the Saint's first playoff game win revered? Hasslett and the 2001 Saints were revered until Payton got to the NFC Championship? or was it until the next couple of seasons which lead to the firing of Hasslett?

The Saints' first playoff win is still one of the franchise's all-time great moments and I think all fans have fond memories of that game.What's strange is that so many of the key players/coaches in that game became personae non grata to Saints fandom later on. Think about it: Aaron Brooks was a hero at that time. Jim Haslett and Rick Venturi were geniuses. The fact that that squad couldn't capitalize on the relative success of 2000 really makes those times pale in comparison to what the post-Katrina Saints are accomplishing.

 

[Chaka]

i like FavreI like the Vikingsthey had a half dozen turnovers, interceptions, and they had LESS penalties than the saintsyou can't blame the refs. sorry.

Shhhhh...let's not interfere with a good ####ing match.

 

[Titus Pullo]

Ole and Sven die in a snowmobiling accident, drunker than skunks, and go to Hell.

The Devil observes that they are really enjoying themselves.

He says to them 'Doesn't the heat and smoke bother you?

Ole replies, 'Vell, ya know, ve're from nordern Minnesooota, da land of snow an ice, an ve're yust happy fer a chance ta varm up a little bit, ya know.'

The devil decides that these two aren't miserable enough and turns up the heat even more. When he returns to the room of the two guys from Minnesota , the devil finds them in light jackets and hats, grilling Walleye and drinking beer.

The devil is astonished and exclaims, 'Everyone down here is in abject misery, and you two seem to be enjoying yourselves?'

Sven replies, 'Vell, ya know, ve don't git too much varm veather up dere at da Falls, so ve've yust got ta haff a fish fry vhen da veather's dis nice.'

The devil is absolutely furious.. He can hardly see straight.

Finally he comes up with the answer. The two guys love the heat because they have been cold all their lives. The devil decides to turn all the heat off in Hell.

The next morning, the temperature is 60 below zero, icicles are hanging everywhere, and people are shivering so bad that they are unable to wail, moan or gnash their teeth. The devil smiles and heads for the room with Ole and Sven. He gets there and finds them back in their parkas, bomber hats, and mittens.

They are jumping up and down, cheering, yelling and screaming like mad men.

The devil is dumbfounded, 'I don't understand, when I turn up the heat you're happy.

Now its freezing cold and you're still happy.

What is wrong with you two?'

They both look at the devil in surprise and say, 'Vell, don't ya know, if hell iss froze over, dat must mean da Vikings von da Super Bowl!!'

 

[Harrassment Panda]

... when the team isn't even being attacked.

You're wrong about this. Playing the "I'm not touching you!" game is exactly the same as touching someone. Gopher's OP was a punch to the face that stopped an inch short to solicit a flinch.

I don't know the OP but if that's the case then Saints fans were played like a fiddle. Like I said, I think some fans are being defensive and hyper-sensitive. Look at the vast majority of posts in this thread and you'll see people saying a) who cares, b) I'm a Vikes fan but my team lost, or c) yeah, looked like saints caught some breaks. oh well.You don't see the team being attacked and I haven't seen people say they don't belong there. What I DO see are hyper-sensitive fans pledging to rush to the team's defense and lashing out at folks who have eyes and saw the calls in OT, even though they're not saying the Saints only won because of them or don't belong there. It's like a puppy with a chew toy who growls when anyone walks in the room. Nobody is trying to take the toy. If some folks are playing like they're going to take it...don't growl at everyone in the house. Nobody can take it; it's yours.

Then a few have real chips on their shoulders and go off the rails. But I've been clear that I don't consider them representative of Saints fans.

Again, you are being a real patronizing, condescending jerk-off. Just stop it already with the psychobabble chicken****. I'm not sitting around posting stats and being "all defensive and hyper-sensitive" but you just keep pushing it and pushing it. Cut out the amateur psychologist act already.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Ole and Sven die in a snowmobiling accident, drunker than skunks, and go to Hell.The Devil observes that they are really enjoying themselves.He says to them 'Doesn't the heat and smoke bother you?Ole replies, 'Vell, ya know, ve're from nordern Minnesooota, da land of snow an ice, an ve're yust happy fer a chance ta varm up a little bit, ya know.'The devil decides that these two aren't miserable enough and turns up the heat even more. When he returns to the room of the two guys from Minnesota , the devil finds them in light jackets and hats, grilling Walleye and drinking beer.The devil is astonished and exclaims, 'Everyone down here is in abject misery, and you two seem to be enjoying yourselves?'Sven replies, 'Vell, ya know, ve don't git too much varm veather up dere at da Falls, so ve've yust got ta haff a fish fry vhen da veather's dis nice.'The devil is absolutely furious.. He can hardly see straight.Finally he comes up with the answer. The two guys love the heat because they have been cold all their lives. The devil decides to turn all the heat off in Hell.The next morning, the temperature is 60 below zero, icicles are hanging everywhere, and people are shivering so bad that they are unable to wail, moan or gnash their teeth. The devil smiles and heads for the room with Ole and Sven. He gets there and finds them back in their parkas, bomber hats, and mittens.They are jumping up and down, cheering, yelling and screaming like mad men.The devil is dumbfounded, 'I don't understand, when I turn up the heat you're happy.Now its freezing cold and you're still happy.What is wrong with you two?'They both look at the devil in surprise and say, 'Vell, don't ya know, if hell iss froze over, dat must mean da Vikings von da Super Bowl!!'

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

... when the team isn't even being attacked.

You're wrong about this. Playing the "I'm not touching you!" game is exactly the same as touching someone. Gopher's OP was a punch to the face that stopped an inch short to solicit a flinch.

I don't know the OP but if that's the case then Saints fans were played like a fiddle. Like I said, I think some fans are being defensive and hyper-sensitive. Look at the vast majority of posts in this thread and you'll see people saying a) who cares, b) I'm a Vikes fan but my team lost, or c) yeah, looked like saints caught some breaks. oh well.You don't see the team being attacked and I haven't seen people say they don't belong there. What I DO see are hyper-sensitive fans pledging to rush to the team's defense and lashing out at folks who have eyes and saw the calls in OT, even though they're not saying the Saints only won because of them or don't belong there. It's like a puppy with a chew toy who growls when anyone walks in the room. Nobody is trying to take the toy. If some folks are playing like they're going to take it...don't growl at everyone in the house. Nobody can take it; it's yours.

Then a few have real chips on their shoulders and go off the rails. But I've been clear that I don't consider them representative of Saints fans.

Again, you are being a real patronizing, condescending jerk-off. Just stop it already with the psychobabble chicken****. I'm not sitting around posting stats and being "all defensive and hyper-sensitive" but you just keep pushing it and pushing it. Cut out the amateur psychologist act already.

This is schtick, right? I don't answer to you. You're like the little brother who stamps his feet and shouts "lalalalala" when he doesn't like what he hears. I can almost hear Ryan Leaf with your "cut it out!"I'm sorry you feel that way, but it's almost like you're trying to prove my point. Stop acting so defensive if you don't want to be labeled defensive. And please don't instruct other posters to post a certain way. You don't control the thread. I'm not even sure you can control your emotions, but let me once again state I'm not labeling all Saints fans this way, and I'm not attacking the team. I'm addressing the topic, which includes reactions to the calls-- both rational and irrational.

 

[guderian]

This doesn't need to discussed until Sunday, but of course I hope not. How long was the Saint's first playoff game win revered? Hasslett and the 2001 Saints were revered until Payton got to the NFC Championship? or was it until the next couple of seasons which lead to the firing of Hasslett?

The Saints' first playoff win is still one of the franchise's all-time great moments and I think all fans have fond memories of that game.What's strange is that so many of the key players/coaches in that game became personae non grata to Saints fandom later on. Think about it: Aaron Brooks was a hero at that time. Jim Haslett and Rick Venturi were geniuses. The fact that that squad couldn't capitalize on the relative success of 2000 really makes those times pale in comparison to what the post-Katrina Saints are accomplishing.

The one big difference between the Haslett regime and Payton's is that Payton proved that he could learn from his mistakes whereas Haslett's fatal flaw was that he would become entrenched in a position regardless the consequences. Payton made several mistakes at the CB position, but kept working at it and we now have a pretty good tandem. He's also learned to stick with a more traditional type of running game and cut back on the cutesy type play calls. But you are right--there was a huge shift in the acceptance of the Haslett regime after they blamed him for missing out on the playoffs in 2002 and then he began to start blaming the fans.

 

[Harrassment Panda]

... when the team isn't even being attacked.

You're wrong about this. Playing the "I'm not touching you!" game is exactly the same as touching someone. Gopher's OP was a punch to the face that stopped an inch short to solicit a flinch.

I don't know the OP but if that's the case then Saints fans were played like a fiddle. Like I said, I think some fans are being defensive and hyper-sensitive. Look at the vast majority of posts in this thread and you'll see people saying a) who cares, b) I'm a Vikes fan but my team lost, or c) yeah, looked like saints caught some breaks. oh well.You don't see the team being attacked and I haven't seen people say they don't belong there. What I DO see are hyper-sensitive fans pledging to rush to the team's defense and lashing out at folks who have eyes and saw the calls in OT, even though they're not saying the Saints only won because of them or don't belong there. It's like a puppy with a chew toy who growls when anyone walks in the room. Nobody is trying to take the toy. If some folks are playing like they're going to take it...don't growl at everyone in the house. Nobody can take it; it's yours.

Then a few have real chips on their shoulders and go off the rails. But I've been clear that I don't consider them representative of Saints fans.

Again, you are being a real patronizing, condescending jerk-off. Just stop it already with the psychobabble chicken****. I'm not sitting around posting stats and being "all defensive and hyper-sensitive" but you just keep pushing it and pushing it. Cut out the amateur psychologist act already.

This is schtick, right? I don't answer to you. You're like the little brother who stamps his feet and shouts "lalalalala" when he doesn't like what he hears. I can almost hear Ryan Leaf with your "cut it out!"I'm sorry you feel that way, but it's almost like you're trying to prove my point. Stop acting so defensive if you don't want to be labeled defensive. And please don't instruct other posters to post a certain way. You don't control the thread. I'm not even sure you can control your emotions, but let me once again state I'm not labeling all Saints fans this way, and I'm not attacking the team. I'm addressing the topic, which includes reactions to the calls-- both rational and irrational.

And what exactly makes you think the rest of the board has to answer to you? Your misguided sense of self-superiority?If Saints fans "can be excused" for their supposedly poor behavior because "they don't know how to handle success".........then what is your excuse for acting like an ### yourself?

I'll be waiting for your response, which almost certainly will not include any recognition that you yourself are doing most of the goading and egging on here, and will almost certainly include some bull**** generalization about how Saints fans behave and blah blah blah.

With that, I'm done with you.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

And what exactly makes you think the rest of the board has to answer to you? Your misguided sense of self-superiority?

If Saints fans "can be excused" for their supposedly poor behavior because "they don't know how to handle success".........then what is your excuse for acting like an ### yourself?

I'll be waiting for your response, which almost certainly will not include any recognition that you yourself are doing most of the goading and egging on here, and will almost certainly include some bull**** generalization about how Saints fans behave and blah blah blah.

With that, I'm done with you.

Your last sentence explained your first. I don't expect anyone to answer to me. Just move along.It's clear you don't bother to read the posts because I'm not generalizing Saints fans at all. I've said this little band of over-sensitive posters doesn't represent the larger group of clear-thinking fans. I haven't attacked the team, either. But some fans have such a chip on their shoulder that if they don't like the tone you use when describing the team or the game...they go on the defensive.

I'm sorry you feel that way, but that's not my problem. Nobody can make you feel the way you do. It's funny that you're wasting what could be the best week of your fan-life crying about how someone is talking about some fans of the team you support. If that's not being uber-defensive, I can't think of a better example.

 

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You chose to post this after stating you were done? If anyone doubted I was 100 percent correct about the psyche of some fans...let this be all the proof you need. I appreciate you taking the effort to actually post that instead of just, you know, being done. Good luck Sunday.

 

[NoFBinLA]

I think it sucks that call got blown. There were other reasons why the Vikes lost.

I think it sucks the tremendous late hit on Mark Sanchez was blown. There were other reasons why the Jets lost.

Saints and Coltsd are in the SB now - they earned their spot.

 

[Gopher State]

Doug, I just put the facts in this thread.

Doesn't mean it's not a poke with a stick. You know what you're doing.

Your over reacting baby, enjoy the ride, the end is near

 

[Titus Pullo]

Doug, I just put the facts in this thread.

Doesn't mean it's not a poke with a stick. You know what you're doing.

Your over reacting baby, enjoy the ride, the end is near

Congrats on the baby Doug!

 

[Gopher State]

Ole and Sven die in a snowmobiling accident, drunker than skunks, and go to Hell.The Devil observes that they are really enjoying themselves.He says to them 'Doesn't the heat and smoke bother you?Ole replies, 'Vell, ya know, ve're from nordern Minnesooota, da land of snow an ice, an ve're yust happy fer a chance ta varm up a little bit, ya know.'The devil decides that these two aren't miserable enough and turns up the heat even more. When he returns to the room of the two guys from Minnesota , the devil finds them in light jackets and hats, grilling Walleye and drinking beer.The devil is astonished and exclaims, 'Everyone down here is in abject misery, and you two seem to be enjoying yourselves?'Sven replies, 'Vell, ya know, ve don't git too much varm veather up dere at da Falls, so ve've yust got ta haff a fish fry vhen da veather's dis nice.' :X The devil is absolutely furious.. He can hardly see straight.Finally he comes up with the answer. The two guys love the heat because they have been cold all their lives. The devil decides to turn all the heat off in Hell.The next morning, the temperature is 60 below zero, icicles are hanging everywhere, and people are shivering so bad that they are unable to wail, moan or gnash their teeth. The devil smiles and heads for the room with Ole and Sven. He gets there and finds them back in their parkas, bomber hats, and mittens.They are jumping up and down, cheering, yelling and screaming like mad men.The devil is dumbfounded, 'I don't understand, when I turn up the heat you're happy.Now its freezing cold and you're still happy.What is wrong with you two?'They both look at the devil in surprise and say, 'Vell, don't ya know, if hell iss froze over, dat must mean da Vikings von da Super Bowl!!'

 

[Debbie Downer]

I'm a very frustrated Vikes fan. Still depressed over the game. Was in the fetal position for several hours after that fg by the Saints was perfect. I called in sick for a week in 98 after we lost to Atlanta. Super hard loss to swallow. Only thing that has cheered me up is watching the throttling of the Cowboys and the wins against Green Bay over and over.

Even though there are some pretty dooshy Saints fans in this thread, I will still be rooting for New Orleans on Sunday. Maybe it is destiny for them. I hope so now.

However, Minnesota dominated the Saints on offense and defense. It's a statistical fact. Only reason we lost is we beat ourselves, and have only ourselves to blame. The refs should not have even been a factor, even though they were.

I still love Bett Favre, he was a big part of our sucess this year and I hope he comes back next year.

 

[DesmondBishop]

After all the bad calls for the Vikings in the first half I find this a little thread a little bizarre. Green bay got hosed on the final play in our game too. It happens. I hate it when refs decide games, especially the final play, but what can you do?

That took some time getting over, I feel the Vikings fans pain a little as we clearly had the game decided by the officials. I also say Congratulations to the Saints and their fans, it will complete a great story if they win it all. They definitely need to play MUCH better though as the Colts will destroy them if they play like they did against the Vikings.

 

[Reacher]

Ole and Sven die in a snowmobiling accident, drunker than skunks, and go to Hell.The Devil observes that they are really enjoying themselves.He says to them 'Doesn't the heat and smoke bother you?Ole replies, 'Vell, ya know, ve're from nordern Minnesooota, da land of snow an ice, an ve're yust happy fer a chance ta varm up a little bit, ya know.'The devil decides that these two aren't miserable enough and turns up the heat even more. When he returns to the room of the two guys from Minnesota , the devil finds them in light jackets and hats, grilling Walleye and drinking beer.The devil is astonished and exclaims, 'Everyone down here is in abject misery, and you two seem to be enjoying yourselves?'Sven replies, 'Vell, ya know, ve don't git too much varm veather up dere at da Falls, so ve've yust got ta haff a fish fry vhen da veather's dis nice.'The devil is absolutely furious.. He can hardly see straight.Finally he comes up with the answer. The two guys love the heat because they have been cold all their lives. The devil decides to turn all the heat off in Hell.The next morning, the temperature is 60 below zero, icicles are hanging everywhere, and people are shivering so bad that they are unable to wail, moan or gnash their teeth. The devil smiles and heads for the room with Ole and Sven. He gets there and finds them back in their parkas, bomber hats, and mittens.They are jumping up and down, cheering, yelling and screaming like mad men.The devil is dumbfounded, 'I don't understand, when I turn up the heat you're happy.Now its freezing cold and you're still happy.What is wrong with you two?'They both look at the devil in surprise and say, 'Vell, don't ya know, if hell iss froze over, dat must mean da Vikings von da Super Bowl!!'

So far the only thing worth reading on this thread.

 

[sho nuff]

I'm a very frustrated Vikes fan. Still depressed over the game. Was in the fetal position for several hours after that fg by the Saints was perfect. I called in sick for a week in 98 after we lost to Atlanta. Super hard loss to swallow. Only thing that has cheered me up is watching the throttling of the Cowboys and the wins against Green Bay over and over.Even though there are some pretty dooshy Saints fans in this thread, I will still be rooting for New Orleans on Sunday. Maybe it is destiny for them. I hope so now. However, Minnesota dominated the Saints on offense and defense. It's a statistical fact. Only reason we lost is we beat ourselves, and have only ourselves to blame. The refs should not have even been a factor, even though they were. I still love Bett Favre, he was a big part of our sucess this year and I hope he comes back next year.

No...they beat you. They took the ball away and forced several of those fumbles. They got the INTs.and they statistically beat you bad on special teams as well.But really classy to say there are "dooshy" fans here...Im sure they feel better that you will be rooting for NO on Sunday though.

 

[Phurfur]

I'm a very frustrated Vikes fan. Still depressed over the game. Was in the fetal position for several hours after that fg by the Saints was perfect. I called in sick for a week in 98 after we lost to Atlanta. Super hard loss to swallow. Only thing that has cheered me up is watching the throttling of the Cowboys and the wins against Green Bay over and over.Even though there are some pretty dooshy Saints fans in this thread, I will still be rooting for New Orleans on Sunday. Maybe it is destiny for them. I hope so now. However, Minnesota dominated the Saints on offense and defense. It's a statistical fact. Only reason we lost is we beat ourselves, and have only ourselves to blame. The refs should not have even been a factor, even though they were. I still love Bett Favre, he was a big part of our sucess this year and I hope he comes back next year.

As a Packer Fan I feel your pain. We went through this numerous times over the last decade. If Favre comes back expect more of the same.

 

[Pnishthm]

I'm a very frustrated Vikes fan. Still depressed over the game. Was in the fetal position for several hours after that fg by the Saints was perfect. I called in sick for a week in 98 after we lost to Atlanta. Super hard loss to swallow. Only thing that has cheered me up is watching the throttling of the Cowboys and the wins against Green Bay over and over.Even though there are some pretty dooshy Saints fans in this thread, I will still be rooting for New Orleans on Sunday. Maybe it is destiny for them. I hope so now. However, Minnesota dominated the Saints on offense and defense. It's a statistical fact. Only reason we lost is we beat ourselves, and have only ourselves to blame. The refs should not have even been a factor, even though they were. I still love Bett Favre, he was a big part of our sucess this year and I hope he comes back next year.

No...they beat you. They took the ball away and forced several of those fumbles. They got the INTs.and they statistically beat you bad on special teams as well.But really classy to say there are "dooshy" fans here...Im sure they feel better that you will be rooting for NO on Sunday though.

 

[Debbie Downer]

I'm a very frustrated Vikes fan. Still depressed over the game. Was in the fetal position for several hours after that fg by the Saints was perfect. I called in sick for a week in 98 after we lost to Atlanta. Super hard loss to swallow. Only thing that has cheered me up is watching the throttling of the Cowboys and the wins against Green Bay over and over.Even though there are some pretty dooshy Saints fans in this thread, I will still be rooting for New Orleans on Sunday. Maybe it is destiny for them. I hope so now. However, Minnesota dominated the Saints on offense and defense. It's a statistical fact. Only reason we lost is we beat ourselves, and have only ourselves to blame. The refs should not have even been a factor, even though they were. I still love Bett Favre, he was a big part of our sucess this year and I hope he comes back next year.

No...they beat you. They took the ball away and forced several of those fumbles. They got the INTs.and they statistically beat you bad on special teams as well.But really classy to say there are "dooshy" fans here...Im sure they feel better that you will be rooting for NO on Sunday though.

 

[Pnishthm]

I'm a very frustrated Vikes fan. Still depressed over the game. Was in the fetal position for several hours after that fg by the Saints was perfect. I called in sick for a week in 98 after we lost to Atlanta. Super hard loss to swallow. Only thing that has cheered me up is watching the throttling of the Cowboys and the wins against Green Bay over and over.Even though there are some pretty dooshy Saints fans in this thread, I will still be rooting for New Orleans on Sunday. Maybe it is destiny for them. I hope so now. However, Minnesota dominated the Saints on offense and defense. It's a statistical fact. Only reason we lost is we beat ourselves, and have only ourselves to blame. The refs should not have even been a factor, even though they were. I still love Bett Favre, he was a big part of our sucess this year and I hope he comes back next year.

No...they beat you. They took the ball away and forced several of those fumbles. They got the INTs.and they statistically beat you bad on special teams as well.But really classy to say there are "dooshy" fans here...Im sure they feel better that you will be rooting for NO on Sunday though.

 

[Debbie Downer]

I'm a very frustrated Vikes fan. Still depressed over the game. Was in the fetal position for several hours after that fg by the Saints was perfect. I called in sick for a week in 98 after we lost to Atlanta. Super hard loss to swallow. Only thing that has cheered me up is watching the throttling of the Cowboys and the wins against Green Bay over and over.

Even though there are some pretty dooshy Saints fans in this thread, I will still be rooting for New Orleans on Sunday. Maybe it is destiny for them. I hope so now.

However, Minnesota dominated the Saints on offense and defense. It's a statistical fact. Only reason we lost is we beat ourselves, and have only ourselves to blame. The refs should not have even been a factor, even though they were.

I still love Bett Favre, he was a big part of our sucess this year and I hope he comes back next year.

As a Packer Fan I feel your pain. We went through this numerous times over the last decade. If Favre comes back expect more of the same.

NFC North Champs, sweeping Green Bay, making it to the NFC championship game... SWEET!!!!

 

[Titus Pullo]

I'm a very frustrated Vikes fan. Still depressed over the game. Was in the fetal position for several hours after that fg by the Saints was perfect. I called in sick for a week in 98 after we lost to Atlanta. Super hard loss to swallow. Only thing that has cheered me up is watching the throttling of the Cowboys and the wins against Green Bay over and over.

Even though there are some pretty dooshy Saints fans in this thread, I will still be rooting for New Orleans on Sunday. Maybe it is destiny for them. I hope so now.

However, Minnesota dominated the Saints on offense and defense. It's a statistical fact. Only reason we lost is we beat ourselves, and have only ourselves to blame. The refs should not have even been a factor, even though they were.

I still love Bett Favre, he was a big part of our sucess this year and I hope he comes back next year.

As a Packer Fan I feel your pain. We went through this numerous times over the last decade. If Favre comes back expect more of the same.

NFC North Champs, sweeping Green Bay, making it to the NFC championship game... SWEET!!!!

enjoy it artic edge. i guess for some fans who don't know what it's like to win a super bowl that is enough for them.

 

[Debbie Downer]

I'm a very frustrated Vikes fan. Still depressed over the game. Was in the fetal position for several hours after that fg by the Saints was perfect. I called in sick for a week in 98 after we lost to Atlanta. Super hard loss to swallow. Only thing that has cheered me up is watching the throttling of the Cowboys and the wins against Green Bay over and over.

Even though there are some pretty dooshy Saints fans in this thread, I will still be rooting for New Orleans on Sunday. Maybe it is destiny for them. I hope so now.

However, Minnesota dominated the Saints on offense and defense. It's a statistical fact. Only reason we lost is we beat ourselves, and have only ourselves to blame. The refs should not have even been a factor, even though they were.

I still love Bett Favre, he was a big part of our sucess this year and I hope he comes back next year.

As a Packer Fan I feel your pain. We went through this numerous times over the last decade. If Favre comes back expect more of the same.

NFC North Champs, sweeping Green Bay, making it to the NFC championship game... SWEET!!!!

enjoy it artic edge. i guess for some fans who don't know what it's like to win a super bowl that is enough for them.

Didnt say it was enough, but if it's the same type of season next year and we get to the same point in the NFC Championship game were we are outplaying the other team, I like our chances to get into the big game and win.

 

[Debbie Downer]

Don't get me wrong, the Saints and their fans want to beat Indy more than anything - from a football perspective, we are not "just happy to be there," but if Indy wins, it will take absolutely nothing away from what this season has meant.

You are right about 2 things, though: it might not happen for another 40 years, and we will have fun.

x 100Love the view point that "losing the Super Bowl" = "going 0-16". No, no one said exactly that ... but some of the takes in here, extended to their logical conclusions, mean the exact same thing.

Making the superbowl and not winning does not wipe out decades of futility.<----------- a bengals fan

Nice to see a Bengals fan chime in here; particularly when discussing futility and losing in a SB, though their game against the 49ers was an excellent game to watch.So for the Vikings fans (and others who want to cast stones at the Saints) let's take a walk down memory lane:

The heavily favored Vikings lost that game to the Kansas City Chiefs 23–7.[8]

However, the Dolphins prevailed, 24–7.

The Vikings played in their second straight Super Bowl, Super Bowl IX (3rd overall), losing to the Pittsburgh Steelers, 16–6, at Tulane Stadium in New Orleans on January 12, 1975.[4][5]

The Vikings played in Super Bowl XI, their third Super Bowl (4th overall) in 4 years, against the Oakland Raiders at the Rose Bowl in Pasadena, California,on January 9, 1977. The Vikings, however, couldn't break their bad luck in the Super Bowl. Minnesota lost, 32–14.[5]

There are probably a number of reasons the Twins are getting there new Stadium and the Vikings can't buy (12 million for Favre) a break in their own pursuit of a new venue but one of them has to be decades of futility.

Favre has probably brought in 10 times as much, I'm guessing more..

 

[Pnishthm]

Don't get me wrong, the Saints and their fans want to beat Indy more than anything - from a football perspective, we are not "just happy to be there," but if Indy wins, it will take absolutely nothing away from what this season has meant.

You are right about 2 things, though: it might not happen for another 40 years, and we will have fun.

x 100Love the view point that "losing the Super Bowl" = "going 0-16". No, no one said exactly that ... but some of the takes in here, extended to their logical conclusions, mean the exact same thing.

Making the superbowl and not winning does not wipe out decades of futility.<----------- a bengals fan

Nice to see a Bengals fan chime in here; particularly when discussing futility and losing in a SB, though their game against the 49ers was an excellent game to watch.So for the Vikings fans (and others who want to cast stones at the Saints) let's take a walk down memory lane:

The heavily favored Vikings lost that game to the Kansas City Chiefs 23–7.[8]

However, the Dolphins prevailed, 24–7.

The Vikings played in their second straight Super Bowl, Super Bowl IX (3rd overall), losing to the Pittsburgh Steelers, 16–6, at Tulane Stadium in New Orleans on January 12, 1975.[4][5]

The Vikings played in Super Bowl XI, their third Super Bowl (4th overall) in 4 years, against the Oakland Raiders at the Rose Bowl in Pasadena, California,on January 9, 1977. The Vikings, however, couldn't break their bad luck in the Super Bowl. Minnesota lost, 32–14.[5]

There are probably a number of reasons the Twins are getting there new Stadium and the Vikings can't buy (12 million for Favre) a break in their own pursuit of a new venue but one of them has to be decades of futility.

Favre has probably brought in 10 times as much, I'm guessing more..

And yet somehow Saints fans are dooshes...

 

[Debbie Downer]

And yet somehow Saints fans are dooshes...

Mainly just you.