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NFL viewership off 11% YOY (1 Viewer)

Moe. said:
Okie State ended up being a great game. The late game on ESPN was good too. There's a zillion more games, obviously there will be more close games, blowouts, boring games, good finishes, etc. Seems like a silly point. 

Also you get the Pac 12 network but not the SEC network? Aren't you in the Carolinas? Pretty sure that isn't possible. 
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I dont

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im just a cord cutter who had crap games on when I turned on the tube so I googled the active top 25 games that were on at the time since I had been previously told if I had more channels I'd have better games. 

For the most part 90% of the top 25 games have been crap this year

 
gump said:
Watching a blowout from your College team is better too since you get a chance to see your future...in the NFL you get to watch career backups show why they are who they are.
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Give bama one of the better career backups and I'd rather watch them play an NFL team then their games this year

 
BoltBacker said:
I think you forgot the very best part of all, the final four teams being chosen by selection committee. It's pretty much the only sport I can think of where the 5th best team has no chance to win a title. Outside of boxing, and we all know how above board that sport is.

Until AT LEAST 8 teams(there's really no reason it can't be 16) have a chance to win at the end the entire college football season is one part exhibition season and two parts selection committee circle jerk at the "unhappy" ending. "Gee, do you remember back in 2019 when the selection committee decided we got to play for the national championship. That was the best selection committee decision in YEARS! That selection committee decision still gives me goose bumps when I think about it!"

The NFL may have it's problems, but on it's worst day it still isn't as broken as college football.
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Add in all the self-picked non-conference games that end up with the Sisters of the Poor getting handed a check to show up at Big Boy U and get blown away by 40 or 50 points.

At least in the NFL pre-season games don't count in the standings.

 
I didn't watch a single game yesterday.  I planned on watching Detroit and Minnesota but decided to winterize my camper.  

 
Sabertooth said:
I didn't watch a single game yesterday.  I planned on watching Detroit and Minnesota but decided to winterize my camper.  
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We're just breaking out campers out.

 
I'm in a weird spot I barely watched any games maybe a total of 1/2 all year but I check my fantasy stats the next day and I still am in a point spread pool game

 
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Capella said:
Heard it was like 100% eagles fans at the chargers game today. Love it. 
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When the sound came over the speakers for "go chargers" it was drowned out by the fans screaming go eagles.

When the eagles got the first down to seal the game, the place cheered like crazy.  I felt bad for San Diego players.  

When sd had a good play, the place was silent.... Lmao

 
Sabertooth said:
Why?  
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I'm confused by the question?  Why do i watch them online for free?  Because it's easy?  I am in a 10 person pro pool with the same guys for almost 30 years now.  Not a single one of them has a cable subscription.  They all watch online

 
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Moe. said:
Okie State ended up being a great game. The late game on ESPN was good too. There's a zillion more games, obviously there will be more close games, blowouts, boring games, good finishes, etc. Seems like a silly point. 

Also you get the Pac 12 network but not the SEC network? Aren't you in the Carolinas? Pretty sure that isn't possible. 
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What's even more impressive is he gets the Pac 12 network on Rabbit Ears

BassNBrew said:
Wasn't cherry picking. Just scanned the top 25 for active games and lsu game must have ended. My rabbity ears don't get the secn or the high school thriller on the south side of town
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need2know said:
When the sound came over the speakers for "go chargers" it was drowned out by the fans screaming go eagles.

When the eagles got the first down to seal the game, the place cheered like crazy.  I felt bad for San Diego players.  

When sd had a good play, the place was silent.... Lmao
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Imagine what raiders chargers is going to look like...

 
BassNBrew said:
I dont

yes

im just a cord cutter who had crap games on when I turned on the tube so I googled the active top 25 games that were on at the time since I had been previously told if I had more channels I'd have better games. 

For the most part 90% of the top 25 games have been crap this year
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Yeah, I agree that if you don't have cable or a streaming service you are going to be pretty limited in terms of your options and on a lot of Saturdays you will be stuck with crappy games.

That problem is even worse on the NFL side of things though, where you only have access to 3-4 games per weekend period. 

Sports are the only reason to have cable for most people. If you're gonna go without that I get it, but it's tough to then complain about not having access to any good games. That's the trade-off. 

 
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comfortably numb said:
Ah I see.

Did he bring 2 candidates that planned to take teams to LA?
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no, the owners of SL and SD made those decisions and then presented the perspective moves to the other owners and were then voted on by all the owners together.  He had nothing to do with either SD or SL moving.  Whether he agreed with it 100% or hated the moves made no difference since he does not have a vote on these issues.

The commish is more involved in expansion candidates (which neither LA team were, they were both moves).

 
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NewlyRetired said:
no, the owners of SL and SD made those decisions and then presented the perspective moves to the other owners and were then voted on by all the owners together.  He had nothing to do with either SD or SL moving.  Whether he agreed with it 100% or hated the moves made no difference since he does not have a vote on these issues.

The commish is more involved in expansion candidates (which neither LA team were, they were both moves).
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Ah. I take it back then.

Hopefully I'm wrong on the LA thing but this just seems like a doomed failure 

 
comfortably numb said:
Hopefully I'm wrong on the LA thing but this just seems like a doomed failure 
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It is pretty scary all around.  I am sure there are plenty of nervous folks.  The new stadium will draw them in for the first season or two, but long term really does seem up in the air.  The stadium being delayed though does not help the situation.

 
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How long until the Chargers move?  Can they leave now?  Carson Wentz was quieting down the visiting Eagle fans this weekend in a half full soccer stadium.  

 
NewlyRetired said:
no, the owners of SL and SD made those decisions and then presented the perspective moves to the other owners and were then voted on by all the owners together.  He had nothing to do with either SD or SL moving.  Whether he agreed with it 100% or hated the moves made no difference since he does not have a vote on these issues.

The commish is more involved in expansion candidates (which neither LA team were, they were both moves).
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I have a hard time believing this went through without Goodell's support.

 
Homer J Simpson said:
I have a hard time believing this went through without Goodell's support.
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I am sure he was consulted and likely involved in what ever politics there are between the owners but in the end he works for the owners. 

There is a reason that there are only 32 votes on items this size and Goodell does not have a vote.

 
NewlyRetired said:
It is pretty scary all around.  I am sure there are plenty of nervous folks.  The new stadium will draw them in for the first season or two, but long term really does seem up in the air.  The stadium being delayed though does not help the situation.
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Winning will help. And they are off to a good start where that is concerned. And I begrudgingly type that as a St. Louisan who is pissed that Kroenke and the NFL took football out of St. Louis. 

 
dschuler said:
How long until the Chargers move?  Can they leave now?  Carson Wentz was quieting down the visiting Eagle fans this weekend in a half full soccer stadium.  
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10+ years.

No way Spanos and/or the NFL admits that they were wrong on this anytime soon. They have way too much invested in this. If they leave early, that does two things:

1) It gives current NFL cities leverage by revealing that the grass isn't always greener and that moving isn't a definite + move.

2) It would make perspective NFL cities less likely to hand out huge amounts of money to NFL teams to relocate if they think they may just get left behind in a couple of years

Any current NFL city should be crossing their fingers that this continues to be a debacle and embarrassment to the NFL for many years.

Let's hope that part of what comes of this is a tilt in power within team owners from guys like Spanos/Snyder/Kroenke/Wilf/etc who really only care about making money towards owners that actually care about football and the communities that their teams are in. Owners like Rooney, Mara, Allen, Pegula genuinely seems to care about both their teams and the communities their teams are in. 

 
GroveDiesel said:
No way Spanos and/or the NFL admits that they were wrong on this anytime soon. They have way too much invested in this. If they leave early, that does two things:

1) It gives current NFL cities leverage by revealing that the grass isn't always greener and that moving isn't a definite + move.

2) It would make perspective NFL cities less likely to hand out huge amounts of money to NFL teams to relocate if they think they may just get left behind in a couple of years
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You don't think cities see what is going on and realize this anyways? I see it going the way of the Olympics. Cities used to sell their souls to get them. Now you almost have to beg them to do so. The world figured out that it is a sunk cost and a money loser. Same will happen here IF the team fails financially.

 
TheFanatic said:
Winning will help. And they are off to a good start where that is concerned. And I begrudgingly type that as a St. Louisan who is pissed that Kroenke and the NFL took football out of St. Louis. 
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Used to go to STL for a game now and then.  Always had a great time partying around the city. 

 
DallasDMac said:
You don't think cities see what is going on and realize this anyways? I see it going the way of the Olympics. Cities used to sell their souls to get them. Now you almost have to beg them to do so. The world figured out that it is a sunk cost and a money loser. Same will happen here IF the team fails financially.
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The irony of course is that LA was just awarded the 2028 summer olympics. But i think your point is valid, that more cities are realizing this though.

 
NewlyRetired said:
It is pretty scary all around.  I am sure there are plenty of nervous folks.  The new stadium will draw them in for the first season or two, but long term really does seem up in the air.  The stadium being delayed though does not help the situation.
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I bet they won't be able to fill their PSL allotment.  They are looking to get 500 MILLION in PSL.

llololololloooooll

 
Johnnymac said:
Used to go to STL for a game now and then.  Always had a great time partying around the city. 
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St. Louis is a great town. Lots of stuff to do on the cheap. Great for families. Within driving distance of a ton of states, particularly states that have no baseball so we get a boatload of tourists in the summer from Nebraska, Oklahoma, Arkansas, etc, who come to catch the Cardinals that they hear on KMOX in the evenings. We supported a miserable football team for a couple decades. We didn't deserve the lies they told. 

 
dschuler said:
How long until the Chargers move?  Can they leave now?  Carson Wentz was quieting down the visiting Eagle fans this weekend in a half full soccer stadium.  
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I think many if you are missing the big picture.  I bet the The chargers are worth 25-35% more post move just because of the market.  It will take time to build a fan base but the majority of the value is in the tv contract, the new stadium that is being built, etc.  stadium revenue is nice but is is a small portion of the overall picture. 

 
sbonomo said:
I think many if you are missing the big picture.  I bet the The chargers are worth 25-35% more post move just because of the market.  It will take time to build a fan base but the majority of the value is in the tv contract, the new stadium that is being built, etc.  stadium revenue is nice but is is a small portion of the overall picture. 
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The Chargers won't own the new stadium. So the only value it has to them is if people show up and spend money. And the tv contract is part of the national contract, no?

I think you're significantly overestimating the value of just being in LA. It is a huge potential market, but if people don't care, their value will absolutely fall. 

 
GroveDiesel said:
The Chargers won't own the new stadium. So the only value it has to them is if people show up and spend money. And the tv contract is part of the national contract, no?

I think you're significantly overestimating the value of just being in LA. It is a huge potential market, but if people don't care, their value will absolutely fall. 
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The Lakers don't own their own stadium either.  They seem to do fine regardless of the attendance.  There is a huge difference in what a large market team is worth vs a small market.  Heck, the lowly clippers sold for 2.0Bn, the Clippers.  Believe me the charges and the Rams are much more valuable in LA than their respective markets.  

 
sbonomo said:
The Lakers don't own their own stadium either.  They seem to do fine regardless of the attendance.  There is a huge difference in what a large market team is worth vs a small market.  Heck, the lowly clippers sold for 2.0Bn, the Clippers.  Believe me the charges and the Rams are much more valuable in LA than their respective markets.  
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NBA teams have local TV revenue, while the NFL TV contract is distributed among all teams.  The Clippers were top ten in NBA attendance last year, outdrawing the Lakers (although the Clippers average seat price is lower than their neighbors).

Franchise valuation involves a lot of guesswork.  It's largely based on estimated revenues and projected franchise sale price.  The LA NFL teams are theoretically more valuable than they were two years ago but those numbers are soft and subject to change.

 
sbonomo said:
The Lakers don't own their own stadium either.  They seem to do fine regardless of the attendance.  There is a huge difference in what a large market team is worth vs a small market.  Heck, the lowly clippers sold for 2.0Bn, the Clippers.  Believe me the charges and the Rams are much more valuable in LA than their respective markets.  
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More valuable to the owners but worse for the league as every week they show the empty houses they play in after lying through their teeth to get there (Rams moreso than the Chargers). The last thing the league wants right now is people pointing and laughing...

 
sbonomo said:
The Lakers don't own their own stadium either.  They seem to do fine regardless of the attendance.  There is a huge difference in what a large market team is worth vs a small market.  Heck, the lowly clippers sold for 2.0Bn, the Clippers.  Believe me the charges and the Rams are much more valuable in LA than their respective markets.  
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Did you seriously just compare one of the most storied and successful franchise in sports that has been in LA for almost 60 years to a mediocre team with zero championships that has been in LA for a hot minute?

 
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