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Not so fast - Josh McDaniels backed out of the Colts job (1 Viewer)

msudaisy26 said:
:lmao:  at all posters in here saying he will never be a HC again and acting like they know what 31 other billionaire owners are thinking. 

:lmao: :lmao:  at every one else saying they know McDaniels will be a bad HC again. Yes, he sucked in Denver and he might stink again, but there are so many 2nd and 3rd time He's that do way better the next time. Belicheck and Carroll for example. 
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30, 30 other billionaire owners.  The Packers are not owned by a billionaire, though it is possible that a billionaire or two has some stock.

 
msudaisy26 said:
Sure, but it isn't like he is interviewing tomorrow. It might hurt if he goes for a HC spot next year, but 3 to 5 years from now I doubt it does. 
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Exactly... 

IF folks in here believe he spurned INDY because he was told he's in line for the NE HC job, what does he care about other owners willingness to hire him? He's being groomed for a job. His performance at THAT job will be what affects his hire-ability going forward. This will be an afterthought for everyone but Irsay, who seems like the type to still be cursing Kraft's name with his last breath. 

If he spurned INDY because he caught wind that Luck's shoulder was worse than reported, I don't blame him for not wanting to inherit a bottom of the barrel franchise with no real prospects for improving anytime soon. 

 
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menobrown said:
Everyone is entitled to their opinion and mine is unless he one days gets the NE HC job he'll never get one so give me a :lmao: all you want, but it's how I think it's going down.
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That is just bad on your part. Let's just say he is promised the HC spot when Belicheck goes and then bombs badly. It is far more likely he will never get another HC gig because of being a horrible HC in 2 spots then because of what he did to the Colts. 

 
msudaisy26 said:
Sure, but it isn't like he is interviewing tomorrow. It might hurt if he goes for a HC spot next year, but 3 to 5 years from now I doubt it does. 
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People still bring up what a petulant child he was in Denver so I'm not sure this will be so easily forgotten - but it will only take one team I guess.

 
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Right? The "spurned lover" backlash is hysterical in here. While I would never actually wish this on Luck, as he's a great kid.... it would be somewhat karmic for Colt's fans to find out McDaniels backed out after getting a bad update on Luck's prognosis. 

Clarifying... I would never wish this on Luck, but IF that was what caused him to back out... the inevitable fans refusal to packpedal on judgement of McDaniels in light of that nose would be entertaining to watch. 
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The narrative would change to then also include that he feared a challenge.

 
msudaisy26 said:
That is just bad on your part. Let's just say he is promised the HC spot when Belicheck goes and then bombs badly. It is far more likely he will never get another HC gig because of being a horrible HC in 2 spots then because of what he did to the Colts. 
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You have your wrong opinion and I have mine.

 
Dedfin said:
The discipline thing is made up.  This is between BB and Butler, and Brady supports Butler.  There is a growing rift between Belichick and the rest of the team, including the owners.  Belichick has 1 more year at most in New England which is why McDaniel left Indy at the altar.  He knows he's next up which was promised to him by Kraft and isn't going to sit around for several years.  Belichick will either leave this off season or next, guaranteed.
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I agree with this. In the end, Kraft chose Brady over Belichick and there is no way Belichick can be happy about this. Belichick got cute in the sb trying to add to his genius and blew the game. I'm sure Brady is blaming the loss on Belichick. Brady's Instagram post is huge!!!!!!.

 
Colts are going to load their Defensive roster with Pats haters and hatchet men the next time they play them....ala The Bulldogs in the movie Slap Shot....

 
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msudaisy26 said:
:lmao:  at all posters in here saying he will never be a HC again and acting like they know what 31 other billionaire owners are thinking. 

:lmao: :lmao:  at every one else saying they know McDaniels will be a bad HC again. Yes, he sucked in Denver and he might stink again, but there are so many 2nd and 3rd time He's that do way better the next time. Belicheck and Carroll for example. 
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That is true.  Of course, the track record for coaches form the Belicheck tree hasn't been great, either.  I'm skeptical that the "Belicheck way" works without Belicheck.  There was an interview with a former Patriot player saying "You're not going to have fun there.  You're going to win - but it won't be fun".  When you're winning (like BB obviously does) - that flies.  Going to a new organization that isn't winning (as most places that just fired their coach are), that is going to be a tough sell.

Interesting contrast to the Andy Reid coaching tree - while Reid himself hasn't win a SuperBowl, as a whole there seems to be a lot more success with coaches coming from that system - I suspect there's something there more conducive to getting an organization turned around and on the right track.  

 
Rotoworld:

McDaniels' agent leaves him post-Colts fiasco

Patriots OC Josh McDaniels' agent, Bob LaMonte, has terminated his relationship with McDaniels after he decided to bail on the Colts' job.

Typically, the player/coach is the one who fires the agent; not the other way around. But LaMonte also represents Colts GM Chris Ballard and a number of other coaches and executives. LaMonte likely figures that him representing a flake like McDaniels also paints him in a bad light. Which is probably true. By bailing out on the Colts, McDaniels did what was best for him.

 
Chances that any NFL team ever again considers hiring McDaniels as HC = nil.

unless it’s the Pats after Belichick is gone. 

 
Lots of talk about what owners might think of him and who might give him a chance in the future.  I think the bigger problem he will face is who on earth would agree to be his coordinators after seeing what he did to the guys he brought on board for the Colts.  Would any hot prospect OC or DC want to trust and work for McDaniels?  I doubt it.   And that means as a HC he’s going to have trouble assembling talent.  

 
Balco said:
https://sports.yahoo.com/josh-mcdaniels-petulant-move-jilting-colts-provides-cautionary-tale-31-nfl-teams-060451467.html

I think this is spot on.
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Nah.

Any owner looking to turn around their franchise with a quality coach won't care if it comes down to lame alternatives.  McDaniels can just say he was promised the HC gig in NE after the SB...that's why he stayed.  If you think owners aren't hooooors....think again.  Most would sell their mothers for a good QB or coach.

 
Bad_Mo said:
Nah.

Any owner looking to turn around their franchise with a quality coach won't care if it comes down to lame alternatives.  McDaniels can just say he was promised the HC gig in NE after the SB...that's why he stayed.  If you think owners aren't hooooors....think again.  Most would sell their mothers for a good QB or coach.
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Problem is, McDaniels hasn't proven to be a good coach.  He sucked once at it, now he can add that he's a punk to his resume, for not only what he did the Colts, but more importantly what he did to those asst. coaches.

 
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squistion said:
He didn't get close to a HC job since leaving Denver because most clubs were hesitant to hire him based on the debacle of his stint there: Mismanaging the team, ethical issues with video spying, treating players like HS kids, creating a toxic atmosphere and a divided locker room w/ his ever present spies and his "You're with me or you're against me attitude"

Now, with this on top of it, particularly shafting the ACs who bought his sales pitch and then had the rug pulled out from under them, he will never see a HC job outside of NE IMO.
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If JMD wins as head coach in New England after Belichick retires, he will be able to pick his coaching gig.  Period.

 
JohnnyU said:
Problem is, McDaniels hasn't proven to be a good coach.  He sucked once twice at it, now he can add that he's a punk to his resume, for not only what he did the Colts, but more importantly what he did to those asst. coaches.
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Fixed because while one can easily argue he was not working with a lot of talent at his stop with the Rams they regressed considerably from the previous season and when you are the OC of a team that regressed and is dead last in scoring and second to last in YPG you failed.

 
menobrown said:
Fixed because while one can easily argue he was not working with a lot of talent at his stop with the Rams they regressed considerably from the previous season and when you are the OC of a team that regressed and is dead last in scoring and second to last in YPG you failed.
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JMD simply wasn't ready for a HC gig when he took over in Denver. I think he is ready now, we should see a seamless transition from Belichick to JMD, imo.

 
JohnnyU said:
Problem is, McDaniels hasn't proven to be a good coach.  He sucked once at it, now he can add that he's a punk to his resume for not only what he did the Colts, but more importantly what he did to those asst. coaches.
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Agreed. One of the most important character traits in any management position is how you treat your subordinates and McDaniels failed that test miserably and it will be a long time, if ever, before that is forgotten. One of the big criticisms in Denver was his lack of interpersonal skills which the taint had worn off a bit and was dismissed as immaturity on his part - however it is once again obvious he is completely lacking in that area.

 
In summary this is all evidence that the patriots are evil and McDaniels sucks and that the colts are going to be good again.  Actually nobody said that last thing. 

 
JohnnyU said:
Problem is, McDaniels hasn't proven to be a good coach.  He sucked once at it, now he can add that he's a punk to his resume, for not only what he did the Colts, but more importantly what he did to those asst. coaches.
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Hmmm. What other coach was a very successful coordinator that won multiple rings, who mostly failed as a head coach, screwed over a team by bailing on them last minute, and went on to be a legendary head coach? Anyone? Bueller, Bueller?

i doubt McDaniels will turn into the next Bill Belichick, but it’s not like this Things never happen.

 
Anarchy99 said:
Hmmm. What other coach was a very successful coordinator that won multiple rings, who mostly failed as a head coach, screwed over a team by bailing on them last minute, and went on to be a legendary head coach? Anyone? Bueller, Bueller?

i doubt McDaniels will turn into the next Bill Belichick, but it’s not like this Things never happen.
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So, you think he will go on and have a successful HC career?   Proof is in the pudding.

 
Casting Couch said:
If JMD wins as head coach in New England after Belichick retires, he will be able to pick his coaching gig.  Period.
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If he wins in NE he won't need to go anywhere else, as he will have a gig as long as Kraft owns the team. But if he is successful the knock will be he inherited a good situation that anyone could have continued to have won in (see Seifert, Mariucci). And I question whether he would be viewed as a success as Belichick's successor if he wins but never brings home a Lombardi Trophy.

 
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JohnnyU said:
What has he done that makes you think he's ready to be an NFL coach?
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Pretty decent resume for a 41 year old.  He's ready.... Indy thought so.

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Michigan State (1999)
Graduate assistant

New England Patriots (2001)
Personnel assistant

New England Patriots (2002–2003)
Defensive assistant

New England Patriots (2004–2005)
Quarterbacks coach

New England Patriots (2006–2008)
Offensive coordinator & quarterbacks coach

Denver Broncos (2009–2010)
Head coach

St. Louis Rams (2011)
Offensive coordinator & quarterbacks coach

New England Patriots (2012–present)
Offensive coordinator & quarterbacks coach

 
Casting Couch said:
Pretty decent resume for a 41 year old.  He's ready.... Indy thought so.

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Michigan State (1999)
Graduate assistant

New England Patriots (2001)
Personnel assistant

New England Patriots (2002–2003)
Defensive assistant

New England Patriots (2004–2005)
Quarterbacks coach

New England Patriots (2006–2008)
Offensive coordinator & quarterbacks coach

Denver Broncos (2009–2010)
Head coach

St. Louis Rams (2011)
Offensive coordinator & quarterbacks coach

New England Patriots (2012–present)
Offensive coordinator & quarterbacks coach
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I don't see anywhere on that resume, coupled with an obvious lack of character, that shows me he's ready to be an NFL HC.  If anything, he seems to have to hide behind the Patriots way, where his character blends in with the organization.   No one but the Patriots would hire that punk as a HC right now, and to be honest, I hope like hell the Patriots do hire him as their next HC.

 
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JohnnyU said:
I don't see anywhere on that resume, coupled with an obvious lack of character, that shows me he's ready to be an NFL HC.
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Then why did the Colts try to hire a guy who's not ready to be a HC? Are you saying your team is dumb/inept in the front office? 

 
JohnnyU said:
I don't see anywhere on that resume, coupled with an obvious lack of character, that shows me he's ready to be an NFL HC.  If anything, he seems to have to hide behind the Patriots way, where his character blends in with the organization.   No one but the Patriots would hire that punk as a HC right now, and to be honest, I hope like hell the Patriots do hire him as their next HC.
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This makes no sense Johnny. Look at the plethora of garbage can head coaches in the NFL.

JMD is ready for his chance, especially after being mentored by Belichick for the better part of 15 years.

 
bostonfred said:
In summary this is all evidence that the patriots are evil and McDaniels sucks and that the colts are going to be good again.  Actually nobody said that last thing. 
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True.  I would note that this is actually a sign of progress because the Patriots are not being represented as Pure evil, just every day, run-of-the-mill mundane pedestrian evil, and Josh McDaniels is being portrayed only as sucking, not as a giant vortex, a black hole, of suckitude.  I say balance and perspective has returned.

 
Ditkaless Wonders said:
True.  I would note that this is actually a sign of progress because the Patriots are not being represented as Pure evil, just every day, run-of-the-mill mundane pedestrian evil, and Josh McDaniels is being portrayed only as sucking, not as a giant vortex, a black hole, of suckitude.  I say balance and perspective has returned.
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:lol:

 
Anarchy99 said:
Hmmm. What other coach was a very successful coordinator that won multiple rings, who mostly failed as a head coach, screwed over a team by bailing on them last minute, and went on to be a legendary head coach? Anyone? Bueller, Bueller?

i doubt McDaniels will turn into the next Bill Belichick, but it’s not like this Things never happen.
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I'm a Jets fan, so my perspective on this should be jaded, but I think what McDaniels did to the Colts is far worse than what BB did to the NYJ. I think the Jets just assumed that BB was going to take over for Parcells and never really interviewed him or pfficially "offered" him the job, they just basically said "here it is get started". Now he surely could have handled it better than writing and reading some cryptic note during a press conference where he was to be introduced, but otherwise he didn't really screw them over - and honestly I think he really just felt he had to get away from Parcells in order to run his own show.

McDaniels accepted the Colts job 4-5 weeks ago - so they stopped their search process. He brought assistants aboard that were offered contracts by the team and signed and on the day before his press conference got cold feet. He left the Colts in a terrible position to scramble and start their search all over again a few weeks before the combine starts. They also now need to find a HC that's willing to work with a staff that McDaniels put together. There's no reason that he shouldn't be a man and honor his commitments if he wasn't man enough to let them know weeks ago he wasn't 100% sure he was coming. Bill Belichick was a bit socially awkward and maybe even a bit insecure at the time (needed out of Parcell's shadow) but McDaniel is a world class weasel.

 
Dr. Octopus said:
I'm a Jets fan, so my perspective on this should be jaded, but I think what McDaniels did to the Colts is far worse than what BB did to the NYJ. I think the Jets just assumed that BB was going to take over for Parcells and never really interviewed him or pfficially "offered" him the job, they just basically said "here it is get started". Now he surely could have handled it better than writing and reading some cryptic note during a press conference where he was to be introduced, but otherwise he didn't really screw them over - and honestly I think he really just felt he had to get away from Parcells in order to run his own show.

McDaniels accepted the Colts job 4-5 weeks ago - so they stopped their search process. He brought assistants aboard that were offered contracts by the team and signed and on the day before his press conference got cold feet. He left the Colts in a terrible position to scramble and start their search all over again a few weeks before the combine starts. They also now need to find a HC that's willing to work with a staff that McDaniels put together. There's no reason that he shouldn't be a man and honor his commitments if he wasn't man enough to let them know weeks ago he wasn't 100% sure he was coming. Bill Belichick was a bit socially awkward and maybe even a bit insecure at the time (needed out of Parcell's shadow) but McDaniel is a world class weasel.
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Weasels have spines.  I was thinking invertebrate.

 
Well with all this talk about how terrible a head coach McDaniels is...

I think the one clear takeaway is that the Colts Front office are absolutely horrible at their jobs for offering him the position.

This likely better explains their Browns-eque status in the doldrums of the NFL. Whod'a thunk it?! 


 

 
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Well with all this talk about how terrible a head coach McDaniels is...

I think the one clear takeaway is that the Colts Front office are absolutely horrible at their jobs for offering him the position.

This likely better explains their Browns-eque status in the doldrums of the NFL. Whod'a thunk it?! 


 
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Strongly agree.

 
JohnnyU said:
I don't see anywhere on that resume, coupled with an obvious lack of character, that shows me he's ready to be an NFL HC.  If anything, he seems to have to hide behind the Patriots way, where his character blends in with the organization.   No one but the Patriots would hire that punk as a HC right now, and to be honest, I hope like hell the Patriots do hire him as their next HC.
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You're right

 
Dr. Octopus said:
I'm a Jets fan, so my perspective on this should be jaded, but I think what McDaniels did to the Colts is far worse than what BB did to the NYJ. I think the Jets just assumed that BB was going to take over for Parcells and never really interviewed him or pfficially "offered" him the job, they just basically said "here it is get started". Now he surely could have handled it better than writing and reading some cryptic note during a press conference where he was to be introduced, but otherwise he didn't really screw them over - and honestly I think he really just felt he had to get away from Parcells in order to run his own show.

McDaniels accepted the Colts job 4-5 weeks ago - so they stopped their search process. He brought assistants aboard that were offered contracts by the team and signed and on the day before his press conference got cold feet. He left the Colts in a terrible position to scramble and start their search all over again a few weeks before the combine starts. They also now need to find a HC that's willing to work with a staff that McDaniels put together. There's no reason that he shouldn't be a man and honor his commitments if he wasn't man enough to let them know weeks ago he wasn't 100% sure he was coming. Bill Belichick was a bit socially awkward and maybe even a bit insecure at the time (needed out of Parcell's shadow) but McDaniel is a world class weasel.
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No you are not jaded by Jets. People trying to say these situations are similar are wildly off base for the reasons you just laid out. Not comparable at all.

 
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