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**Not-so-offical Green Bay Packers Off-season Thread** (1 Viewer)

Go Pack said:
I still have no idea why they cut Anthony Smith and kept Rouse & Bush. Seemed like a terrible decsion at the time and looks even worse now.Anone know if Collins is playing this week? Will they move Woodson or Harris to safety in the base defense to get their best defenders on the field (not Bush).
I am so tired of hearing this about Anthony Smith. There were numerous reports that he couldn't be counted on to be in the right place. He'd make plays gambling, but would often get caught out of position as well. Bush was kept because he's the gunner on special teams, and a solid one at that. That and he can be your 5th corner and 4th safety. I presume they released Rouse because he couldn't stay healthy. Like a previous poster said, everytime he plays, he gets hurt. Given his performance level, I think they just thought it wasn't worth it. We have yet to see Martin play. He's truly the guy they opted for in lieu of Anthony Smith. My guess is that he'll be one of the starters this weekend.
 
I still have no idea why they cut Anthony Smith and kept Rouse & Bush. Seemed like a terrible decsion at the time and looks even worse now.Anone know if Collins is playing this week? Will they move Woodson or Harris to safety in the base defense to get their best defenders on the field (not Bush).
I am so tired of hearing this about Anthony Smith. There were numerous reports that he couldn't be counted on to be in the right place. He'd make plays gambling, but would often get caught out of position as well. Bush was kept because he's the gunner on special teams, and a solid one at that. That and he can be your 5th corner and 4th safety. I presume they released Rouse because he couldn't stay healthy. Like a previous poster said, everytime he plays, he gets hurt. Given his performance level, I think they just thought it wasn't worth it. We have yet to see Martin play. He's truly the guy they opted for in lieu of Anthony Smith. My guess is that he'll be one of the starters this weekend.
Based in his post game comment last night it seems that Charles Woodson agrees that Anthony Smith should still be on the team and currently starting at safety while Bigby is out instead of these clowns that they kept instead. Hopefully Bigby is back soon, but he has not been able to stay healthy so the cutting of Smith may continue to haunt the Packers.On a brighter note, I sure hope that Tauscher signs as rumored and Clifton is back after the bye. It's amazing that Rodgers has not been killed, although some of the sacks were definitely on him for holding the ball too long. Sucks that Blackmon is out, but that seems to be the norm for him. Too bad he just can not stay healthy
 
Well...if Woodson said it. Look, I respect the guy...but its funny how there were conflicting opinions on how the guy actually played and practiced with the team.

And martin was hardly the issue last night.

Smith is hardly the key to this season.

Many, not talking about Woodson, who laughed at them signing him and said he would not be a help are the same who try to act as if he was this big key to the year.

Blackmon has talent...but man that guy can't catch a break.

Nelson taking kickoffs from now on. Not sure about punts.

 
Well...if Woodson said it. Look, I respect the guy...but its funny how there were conflicting opinions on how the guy actually played and practiced with the team.And martin was hardly the issue last night.Smith is hardly the key to this season.Many, not talking about Woodson, who laughed at them signing him and said he would not be a help are the same who try to act as if he was this big key to the year.Blackmon has talent...but man that guy can't catch a break.Nelson taking kickoffs from now on. Not sure about punts.
Oh bull####. Martin got torched. Harris yelled at him on the field and Woodson after the game. Are you saying those two are wrong? It was a 7 point game and he made a 7 point mistake. Look, I've long been a TT and MM supporter, but in all reality his prowess at finding these supposed gems just isn't showing up in the win column. Their entire offensive line is in a word, offensive. The defensive backfield is aging quickly and injury prone to say the least. Guys like Kampman are being asked to do things they simply cannot do, and being told not to do things they do really well. Kampman as a linebacker is the equivalent of having Favre run the Wildcat. Poor poor use of personnel. You don't clip the wings of your best defensive player, you unleash him....see Allen, Jared. I noticed he didn't drop off into coverage much last night. Outcoached and outmanned. It is a shame that Thompson did not give Rodgers the tools to beat Favre. A slap in the face.
 
sho nuff said:
Well...if Woodson said it. Look, I respect the guy...but its funny how there were conflicting opinions on how the guy actually played and practiced with the team.And martin was hardly the issue last night.Smith is hardly the key to this season.Many, not talking about Woodson, who laughed at them signing him and said he would not be a help are the same who try to act as if he was this big key to the year.Blackmon has talent...but man that guy can't catch a break.Nelson taking kickoffs from now on. Not sure about punts.
The Packers inability to get of fthe field on 3rd downs, even 3rs & long was a huge problem. I am not saying that is all Martin's fault or that the Packe win if Bigby or Smith are out there, but I think it would have made a difference. I am not certain if they were blitzing less than normal due to not trusting Martin, but it seemed that was part of what Woodson was pissed about. That of course makes no sense as giving Favre all day only allows him to expose the secondary and IMO Martin could have been hidden better by not giving Favre time.Not trying to get in a fight here, but cutting Smith and keeping Rouse/Bush/Martin made no sense to me. Maybe Smith would be getting exposed right now similar to what our offensive line is despite looking solid in the preseason, but I wish we had him as an option to find out.
 
Sabertooth said:
sho nuff said:
Well...if Woodson said it. Look, I respect the guy...but its funny how there were conflicting opinions on how the guy actually played and practiced with the team.And martin was hardly the issue last night.Smith is hardly the key to this season.Many, not talking about Woodson, who laughed at them signing him and said he would not be a help are the same who try to act as if he was this big key to the year.Blackmon has talent...but man that guy can't catch a break.Nelson taking kickoffs from now on. Not sure about punts.
Oh bull####. Martin got torched. Harris yelled at him on the field and Woodson after the game. Are you saying those two are wrong? It was a 7 point game and he made a 7 point mistake. Look, I've long been a TT and MM supporter, but in all reality his prowess at finding these supposed gems just isn't showing up in the win column. Their entire offensive line is in a word, offensive. The defensive backfield is aging quickly and injury prone to say the least. Guys like Kampman are being asked to do things they simply cannot do, and being told not to do things they do really well. Kampman as a linebacker is the equivalent of having Favre run the Wildcat. Poor poor use of personnel. You don't clip the wings of your best defensive player, you unleash him....see Allen, Jared. I noticed he didn't drop off into coverage much last night. Outcoached and outmanned. It is a shame that Thompson did not give Rodgers the tools to beat Favre. A slap in the face.
:goodposting: Here is a snipit from McGinn on the game...SS Derrick Martin was aligned too far inside on Bernard Berrian's 31-yard TD and thus couldn't get over in time. That and the missed open-field tackle on Percy Harvin put him on the bench and Jarrett Bush in the lineup for the last five series.
 
Woodson seems to be a very smart player, maybe it's time to put him in the Safety position so that he can see the field better and make adjustments from there. Would that work?

 
Woodson seems to be a very smart player, maybe it's time to put him in the Safety position so that he can see the field better and make adjustments from there. Would that work?
It could work. However, I think you loose a bit in outside run support. I noticed Woodson on several occassions 'setting the edge' on running plays Monday night. That cannot be understated. Having a corner who will take a on a blocker to funnel the play back inside is so huge in this defense. He is really, really underrated in run support. And I think his skills are best used by him staying at corner.
 
Sabertooth said:
sho nuff said:
Well...if Woodson said it. Look, I respect the guy...but its funny how there were conflicting opinions on how the guy actually played and practiced with the team.And martin was hardly the issue last night.Smith is hardly the key to this season.Many, not talking about Woodson, who laughed at them signing him and said he would not be a help are the same who try to act as if he was this big key to the year.Blackmon has talent...but man that guy can't catch a break.Nelson taking kickoffs from now on. Not sure about punts.
Oh bull####. Martin got torched. Harris yelled at him on the field and Woodson after the game. Are you saying those two are wrong? It was a 7 point game and he made a 7 point mistake. Look, I've long been a TT and MM supporter, but in all reality his prowess at finding these supposed gems just isn't showing up in the win column. Their entire offensive line is in a word, offensive. The defensive backfield is aging quickly and injury prone to say the least. Guys like Kampman are being asked to do things they simply cannot do, and being told not to do things they do really well. Kampman as a linebacker is the equivalent of having Favre run the Wildcat. Poor poor use of personnel. You don't clip the wings of your best defensive player, you unleash him....see Allen, Jared. I noticed he didn't drop off into coverage much last night. Outcoached and outmanned. It is a shame that Thompson did not give Rodgers the tools to beat Favre. A slap in the face.
Not saying Martin was great...but Harris got torched himself. Yes...over the top help would have been ncie...but the guy totally bit on that pump fake. Im saying he was not the only one to blame there. Harris needs to look in the mirror for how much he bit. He was not exactly perfect on the night either.The entire Oline is not as bad as you say. Wells had a pretty damn good game...Sitton was fine. Barbre even showed he has improved some (though, will likely lose his job if Tauscher does actually sign). Colledge (if he is back) is a good LG. Right now...the tackle spots are questionable as long as Clifton is hurt and Barbre is out there. The interior line has actually played prety well.The CBs are older for sure. Which is why they keep drafting CBs. It may be a bigger concern in a year than it is now.Agreed on Kampman...but he is coming along a bit. The 3-4 was never going to be an overnight switch people. Not sure how many times that had to be said before some of you listen to it. Not sure Kampman ever will work out in the scheme. But the guy is a gamer and works his tail off so I am not going to put it past him being able to do it.Out coached...I agree.And its been said over and over that Thompson has been a failure on the Oline.But to me...the slap in the face is saying "did not give him the tools to beat Brett Favre". THey goal is not to "beat brett" the goal is to beat the Vikings...not one man.
 
sho nuff said:
Well...if Woodson said it. Look, I respect the guy...but its funny how there were conflicting opinions on how the guy actually played and practiced with the team.And martin was hardly the issue last night.Smith is hardly the key to this season.Many, not talking about Woodson, who laughed at them signing him and said he would not be a help are the same who try to act as if he was this big key to the year.Blackmon has talent...but man that guy can't catch a break.Nelson taking kickoffs from now on. Not sure about punts.
The Packers inability to get of fthe field on 3rd downs, even 3rs & long was a huge problem. I am not saying that is all Martin's fault or that the Packe win if Bigby or Smith are out there, but I think it would have made a difference. I am not certain if they were blitzing less than normal due to not trusting Martin, but it seemed that was part of what Woodson was pissed about. That of course makes no sense as giving Favre all day only allows him to expose the secondary and IMO Martin could have been hidden better by not giving Favre time.Not trying to get in a fight here, but cutting Smith and keeping Rouse/Bush/Martin made no sense to me. Maybe Smith would be getting exposed right now similar to what our offensive line is despite looking solid in the preseason, but I wish we had him as an option to find out.
To me...Im giving the DBs a bit of a break given the complete lack of a pass rush. Those guys cannot cover forever.Smith was hardly a world beater in his time in Pitt or in GB. But people fell in love because it was an FA type move (not a true FA to some)I thought it was odd in keeping Rouse...then cutting him. I did. But I don't think its as big of an issue as some other glaring ones right now.
 
Woodson seems to be a very smart player, maybe it's time to put him in the Safety position so that he can see the field better and make adjustments from there. Would that work?
As much as he already moves around...it could work.The problem comes in when they get in the nickel. Who is the 3rd corner? I have confidence in Harris and WIlliams being fine. I don't have confidence in Bush playing corner or the rookie Underwood right now.
 
Sabertooth said:
sho nuff said:
Well...if Woodson said it. Look, I respect the guy...but its funny how there were conflicting opinions on how the guy actually played and practiced with the team.And martin was hardly the issue last night.Smith is hardly the key to this season.Many, not talking about Woodson, who laughed at them signing him and said he would not be a help are the same who try to act as if he was this big key to the year.Blackmon has talent...but man that guy can't catch a break.Nelson taking kickoffs from now on. Not sure about punts.
Oh bull####. Martin got torched. Harris yelled at him on the field and Woodson after the game. Are you saying those two are wrong? It was a 7 point game and he made a 7 point mistake. Look, I've long been a TT and MM supporter, but in all reality his prowess at finding these supposed gems just isn't showing up in the win column. Their entire offensive line is in a word, offensive. The defensive backfield is aging quickly and injury prone to say the least. Guys like Kampman are being asked to do things they simply cannot do, and being told not to do things they do really well. Kampman as a linebacker is the equivalent of having Favre run the Wildcat. Poor poor use of personnel. You don't clip the wings of your best defensive player, you unleash him....see Allen, Jared. I noticed he didn't drop off into coverage much last night. Outcoached and outmanned. It is a shame that Thompson did not give Rodgers the tools to beat Favre. A slap in the face.
Not saying Martin was great...but Harris got torched himself. Yes...over the top help would have been ncie...but the guy totally bit on that pump fake. Im saying he was not the only one to blame there. Harris needs to look in the mirror for how much he bit. He was not exactly perfect on the night either.The entire Oline is not as bad as you say. Wells had a pretty damn good game...Sitton was fine. Barbre even showed he has improved some (though, will likely lose his job if Tauscher does actually sign). Colledge (if he is back) is a good LG. Right now...the tackle spots are questionable as long as Clifton is hurt and Barbre is out there. The interior line has actually played prety well.The CBs are older for sure. Which is why they keep drafting CBs. It may be a bigger concern in a year than it is now.Agreed on Kampman...but he is coming along a bit. The 3-4 was never going to be an overnight switch people. Not sure how many times that had to be said before some of you listen to it. Not sure Kampman ever will work out in the scheme. But the guy is a gamer and works his tail off so I am not going to put it past him being able to do it.Out coached...I agree.And its been said over and over that Thompson has been a failure on the Oline.But to me...the slap in the face is saying "did not give him the tools to beat Brett Favre". THey goal is not to "beat brett" the goal is to beat the Vikings...not one man.
I disagree on the offensive line. The entire line should be broomed. They don't pass block well, and they don't run block well. And they get penalties. As far as Kampman, I think it is idiotic to not let your best defensive player do what he does best. Say whatever you want, and I don't expect to convince you, but having Kampman cover people is dumb. Good coaching put their players in positions to succeed. Oh yeah, and in the process, they are going to lose Kampman to another team right in his prime. Stupid, stupid, stupid. They are totally mishandling one of their best players. I believe Kampman's contract is up this year as well. So in his last year, you are asking one of the premier pass rushers in the NFL to cover RBs in the flat or play zone. They won't have to worry about that next year, because there is no way he resigns.
 
Woodson seems to be a very smart player, maybe it's time to put him in the Safety position so that he can see the field better and make adjustments from there. Would that work?
As much as he already moves around...it could work.The problem comes in when they get in the nickel. Who is the 3rd corner? I have confidence in Harris and WIlliams being fine. I don't have confidence in Bush playing corner or the rookie Underwood right now.
I would think that if Woodson were to move to safety at some point he would still cover the slot WR in the nickel. That would give him the flexibility to blitz to play coverage similar to what I think Ronde Barber does in Tampa. Assuming Bigby is back then leave Woodson alone as he is their best corner, but a couple weeks ago I was thinking it might make sense to move Woodson or Harris to safety in teh base defense to get our best defenders on teh field. Tramon is clearly better than the backup safeties. We do need another good young CB (hopefully Underwood).
 
Entire Oline? Seriously. Watch some football.

Colledge is a very good LG. Spitz has played well at center and Sitton is young and has not made many mistakes at all this year. Not sure what games you have been watching to think the whole line needs to go.

I agree having him cover people is dumb. The thing is...he is one heck of an athlete...and others have made that transition well. It sucks to not get that production out of him. In the end...bad move. But I think overall it may not be a terrible thing moving to the 3-4. As for Kampman's prime...Id say he is in the downside of the prime years at 30. Will suck if they do lose him. But I don't think they will let him go for free. See a tag and a trade coming if they don't see he can transition into the role.

 
Regarding the Offensive Line, I refer everyone to Bob McGinn's excellent colum written two weeks into the season, on the eve of the Rams game. I think he makes some excellent points, regarding the players, the coaches (particularly James Campen) and the GM:

Bob McGinnOn offense, it's time to toe the linePosted: Sept. 26, 2009St. Louis - The philosophy, the planning, the coaching and the level of performance regarding the offensive line has thrown the Green Bay Packers into a state of uneasiness just two games into the season.The Packers down deep must be wondering if their miscalculations in the offensive line could short-circuit the tenures of general manager Ted Thompson and coach Mike McCarthy.Losing left tackle Chad Clifton for two games, if not more, with an ankle injury of unspecified nature and severity has left the Packers without their fourth-most important player entering the season.Of course it's a major blow, but it's not as if the Packers should be surprised that a 33-year-old player with a broken-down body got hurt.Even though Thompson left the organization high and dry without a legitimate No. 3 tackle, the Packers can ill afford to panic. There are games to be won. That's all that matters.They didn't fold in 2002 when center Mike Flanagan had to replace Clifton for eight games. They prepared Flanagan at a foreign position and watched him allow merely one-half sack as the club went 6-2.The best organizations, the ones with the resourceful head coaches and the offensive line coaches worth their weight in gold, just make it work. Pittsburgh won two Super Bowls starting backup tackle Max Starks. New England claimed its first with lumbering Grant Williams playing the entire second half at left tackle after Matt Light went down, its second with backup Tom Ashworth at right tackle and its third with backup Brandon Gorin at right tackle.Few in the state have forgotten that, if Ron Wolf hadn't signed 10th-year tackle Bruce Wilkerson in April and made sure he made the team, the Packers probably wouldn't have won Super Bowl XXXI.So let's do away with the excuses right from the start.The second blown knee suffered by Mark Tauscher in Week 13 last season almost made it easier on Thompson and McCarthy because they had determined it was time to move on. With Tauscher still just eight months removed from a second reconstructive surgery on the same knee, the Packers aren't convinced, even in their hour of need, that he is able to play yet.Tony Moll started Weeks 14-15 at right tackle for Tauscher, was awful and gave way to Daryn Colledge in the finale. Colledge looked so comfortable there that, barring a big-money signing or high draft choice, it seemed logical he would be the best bet at right tackle in 2009.Colledge isn't an ideal tackle. He's only 6 feet 4½ inches, isn't a great athlete and weighs a pumped-up 312 pounds.But given the alternatives, it was reasonable to think Colledge would be functional given an entire off-season. The Packers still would have Jason Spitz, Scott Wells and Josh Sitton inside, with newcomers and holdovers set to challenge.McCarthy had other ideas. In March, he essentially made it Allen Barbre's job to lose.That stunned me.On paper, Barbre looks pretty good, especially in a zone scheme. He possesses phenomenal 40-yard speed (4.9) and has incredible strength.But there's just something about Barbre that never squared with the successful offensive linemen in Green Bay over the last 25 years.He hails from Granby, Mo., a town of 2,200 people. He played in Division II at Missouri Southern State.The Wonderlic intelligence test is far from the be-all, end-all in determining a player's mental capacity to play football. But after studying test scores for years, it appears that it matters a great deal in the cerebral world of the offensive line.Barbre took the Wonderlic twice. His first score, which most teams regard as most telling, was 11. At the combine he scored 15.Considering scores for past linemen in Green Bay, Barbre's scores were extremely low. Kevin Barry's first score was a 9. Clifton and Marco Rivera each had 16, but they came from schools in power conferences and fit right in.Barbre is just a very naïve kid. He blew assignments his first two seasons even though the Packers smartly limited him to only one position. But there was too much happening quickly for him at guard, and so the decision was made to move him outside, although he had been a left tackle in college.Despite another summer of losing his cool and getting in fistfights, Barbre had some bright moments. He is more of a tackle than a guard. He does good things in the run game.But then the lights went on and Barbre has gone in the tank. His footwork is a mess. Rushers have knocked his hands down, which is absolutely alarming. In two games, he has allowed two sacks, three knockdowns and five hurries.One can't say yet with any degree of certainty that the game's too big for Barbre.He works. He's gifted. But it very well might be, too.Giacomini looks incapableIf McCarthy and Thompson were reckless enough to roll the dice on Barbre, they needed to have a competent back-up.That was supposed to be Breno Giacomini. A right tackle only, he bends from the waist and has shown almost none of the run-blocking tenacity that led the Packers to take him in the fifth round last year.There are nine offensive linemen on the roster. Clifton's hurt, Giacomini probably won't ever be able to play, rookie free agent Evan Dietrich-Smith probably can't play now and the coaches appear fearful about using rookie T.J. Lang.It's a deplorable situation. Then, when rookie Jamon Meredith was lost to Buffalo off the practice squad Monday, the Packers brought tackle Dane Randolph instead of a prospect from someone else's practice squad, even though Randolph looked like a complete reject in August.Look around the league. Twenty to 25 teams have an experienced No. 3 tackle.Thompson could have signed Tra Thomas, Khalif Barnes, Ephraim Salaam, Erik Pears, Kevin Shaffer, John St. Clair, Floyd Womack or Adam Goldberg, among others. Not one of them got more than $1.75 million in bonuses, a pittance for a team ranking second in cap room at $18 million.Watch Goldberg, a seven-year veteran, Sunday afternoon. He is starting at right tackle for the St. Louis Rams because their first-round draft choice, Jason Smith, has a sprained knee.Goldberg, 29, epitomizes the type of player that Thompson has no interest in signing. Despite his many limitations, Goldberg does have 30 starts at various positions and at times has done a serviceable job.The rebuilding Rams can find a roster berth for an insurance policy like Goldberg, but the Packers, with designs on the playoffs and beyond, would rather go with a stiff like Giacomini.Other than quarterback, the feeling in the league is that offensive line requires the most nurturing. It's a learning position, not a talent position, and technique often wins out.In the last quarter century the Packers have had three masterful line coaches. Jerry Wampfler might have been "a negative cat" to be around, as Greg Koch once said, but the man really could coach. Then there was Tom Lovat, the steady hand under Mike Holmgren, and Larry Beightol, who coached exceptional units under Mike Sherman.James Campen, the current coach, was one of those underachievers that developed into a solid starter at center in Green Bay. After his career ended in 1993, he eventually coached in high school for nine years.Sherman and his tight ends coach at the time, Joe Philbin, each was on staff at Tulane in the mid-1980s when Campen played there. Despite his limited résumé, they hired him in 2004 to work mostly in quality control. McCarthy made him the assistant line coach under Philbin in 2006 before bumping him to No. 1 in '07.In terms of college and pro coaching experience, Wampfler had 22 years when he arrived in 1984, Lovat had 25 when he returned to Green Bay in 1992 and Beightol had 31 when Ray Rhodes hired him in 1999.In comparison, Campen had three years of experience when promoted to run his own show. His assistant, Jerry Fontenot, played center for 16 years but had no coaching experience when hired by McCarthy in '06.In the dog-eat-dog environment of the NFL, it makes no sense to make the offensive line an entry-level position. It's not enough to work hard; they all work hard.Give me someone who has run drills and seen every blitz there is and made sideline adjustments on the fly year after year.The Packers are high on Campen. On more than one occasion Thompson has denied permission for other teams to interview him.Given the fact that McCarthy fired seven coaches in January, who was out there if he had sought a new line coach?Veteran candidates availableThere were many sound veteran candidates. Some weren't zone run guys, but so what? Given the deplorable state of the Packers' zone scheme, McCarthy would have been farther ahead letting the new line coach just change it all to power if that was his preference.Perhaps the best man was old pro Bill Muir, out in Tampa Bay and then hired by Kansas City. Beightol, 66, has tried to get back into coaching. Fired in San Diego, Jack Henry probably would have joined McCarthy. They coached together in New Orleans for five years; Beightol was with McCarthy in '99.George Warhop and Mike Maser were available. Warhop, another former McCarthy colleague, landed in Cleveland.In five years, Thompson hasn't drafted a lineman in the first round and just one in both the second and third rounds. Many variables affect the development rate of linemen. You can judge that rate in Green Bay for yourself.Nobody is advocating firing anyone, just like nobody is saying this unit won't turn it around in short order. Twice in McCarthy's first three years the line stunk in the first two games before playing well in Week 3.This is no time to panic. It is a time for the offensive line to come together and start playing.The question is, are the pieces in place for that to happen?
 
Agreed with much of that article on Campen and the coaches.

I disagree so far with his assessment that Giacomini may never play.

 
Agreed with much of that article on Campen and the coaches.I disagree so far with his assessment that Giacomini may never play.
Really? What leads you to believe he can play? End of the day, he's shown very, very little on the field. You can talk about talent and such, but the guy has done very little so far. James Campen needs to go. If the GM isn't going to spend high picks on lineman or sign free agents, then you need to be able to develop the guys you do draft. Like Tauscher, Wells (UDFA), Wahle etc. Campen hasn't shown the ability to get much out of the guys Thompson's drafted. He needs to be relieved of his duties and they need to hire a legit NFL line coach.
 
Agreed with much of that article on Campen and the coaches.I disagree so far with his assessment that Giacomini may never play.
Really? What leads you to believe he can play? End of the day, he's shown very, very little on the field. You can talk about talent and such, but the guy has done very little so far. James Campen needs to go. If the GM isn't going to spend high picks on lineman or sign free agents, then you need to be able to develop the guys you do draft. Like Tauscher, Wells (UDFA), Wahle etc. Campen hasn't shown the ability to get much out of the guys Thompson's drafted. He needs to be relieved of his duties and they need to hire a legit NFL line coach.
I think he has plenty of talent...and is still young. Its the Oline...may are projects and don't do well right away.Colledge was terrible his first 2 years. He is much better now. I agree on Campen though.
 
With Blackmon done for the year...that leaves a roster spot for Tauscher.

IMO...drop a FB and sign Levi Jones to backup Clifton so that Colledge never has to go back there again.

 
Man in the yellow hat said:
Agreed with much of that article on Campen and the coaches.I disagree so far with his assessment that Giacomini may never play.
Really? What leads you to believe he can play? End of the day, he's shown very, very little on the field. You can talk about talent and such, but the guy has done very little so far. James Campen needs to go. If the GM isn't going to spend high picks on lineman or sign free agents, then you need to be able to develop the guys you do draft. Like Tauscher, Wells (UDFA), Wahle etc. Campen hasn't shown the ability to get much out of the guys Thompson's drafted. He needs to be relieved of his duties and they need to hire a legit NFL line coach.
Wasn't Wahle plucked from the supplementary draft? I.e. he was a well regarded prospect when he got here, not a late round development project.
 
Man in the yellow hat said:
Agreed with much of that article on Campen and the coaches.I disagree so far with his assessment that Giacomini may never play.
Really? What leads you to believe he can play? End of the day, he's shown very, very little on the field. You can talk about talent and such, but the guy has done very little so far. James Campen needs to go. If the GM isn't going to spend high picks on lineman or sign free agents, then you need to be able to develop the guys you do draft. Like Tauscher, Wells (UDFA), Wahle etc. Campen hasn't shown the ability to get much out of the guys Thompson's drafted. He needs to be relieved of his duties and they need to hire a legit NFL line coach.
Wasn't Wahle plucked from the supplementary draft? I.e. he was a well regarded prospect when he got here, not a late round development project.
Wahle was acquired via the supplemental draft. But let's not forget that many were ready to write him off after his failure at the tackle position. The staff then decided to play him guard and taught him how to do it. He then developed into a Pro Bowl player. I see no one on this staff capable of doing that with the O line right now.
 
Wahle was acquired via the supplemental draft. But let's not forget that many were ready to write him off after his failure at the tackle position. The staff then decided to play him guard and taught him how to do it. He then developed into a Pro Bowl player. I see no one on this staff capable of doing that with the O line right now.
Not saying the Packers have great coaches at the OL positions but even if a team had the greatest coaches, they can only do so much with the talent they are given. The players they have been given were not Pro Bowl players that have regressed and they were not 1st round picks that have regressed either but maybe the players are simply not that good to begin with.
 
Did Tauscher sign yet? I hope they get something done soon so he can get some practive time in this week. I am not expecting him to start this week, but it would be nice if he were available if needed the next couple weeks and ready to start by the 11/1 Vikings rematch.

 
Did Tauscher sign yet? I hope they get something done soon so he can get some practive time in this week. I am not expecting him to start this week, but it would be nice if he were available if needed the next couple weeks and ready to start by the 11/1 Vikings rematch.
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/64002592.htmlSigned this morning...have heard he was in pretty good shape...not sure if he will make it in just yet to actually play this week.

But I would think he would be good to go by the Vikings game for sure.

Im less worried about him being ready and more worried about CLifton being healthy for that game.

 
Good for the Packers but it won't help much if Rodgers keeps holding the ball too long.
If the line can protect better to allow the TE's & RB's to get out into routes it should also reduce the time that Rodgers holds the ball as he will have more options to pass to. Also if he can spend more time looking odwnfield and less time fearing for his life maybe he can find somebody open. I agree that some of those sacks were definitely on Rodgers but having the TE's & RB's have to block so much limited his dump off options.Good news on the Tauscher signing.
 
Good for the Packers but it won't help much if Rodgers keeps holding the ball too long.
Will help some.But yes, Rodgers also has to work on that clock in his head telling him its time to throw it or run a bit sooner.He has very good legs...might be time to be quicker on the read to get out of there.Id also like to see them roll him out and move the pocket a bit more. He has been very good throwing while on the move so far in his career.
 
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Tauscher did take part in individual drills, as coach Mike McCarthy and offensive coordinator Joe Philbin watched closely from the sidelines. Tauscher didn't look to be near ready. He appeared to be gassed quickly and sometimes didn't take all his reps. He also appeared to favor his left leg. However, it could be him getting adjusted to the large brace. That being said, you could still see the talent is still there. It just appears to be rusty and needs some work/conditioning. Looks like best-case scenario is for him to play a week from Sunday against Cleveland.
Does not sound like he will be in this week.Better news from today was that Clifton was back at LT and Colledge at LG.Also Brandon Jackson was a full participant, Jeremy Thompson was back...and Bigby has a chance to be back this week.
 
Never thought I'd be saying this after week 6, especially after not loving the pick at the time, but I'm starting to believe that Clay Mathews might be the best LB on the team.

 
Never thought I'd be saying this after week 6, especially after not loving the pick at the time, but I'm starting to believe that Clay Mathews might be the best LB on the team.
He is looking well worth the deal they made.Also my choice of Moreno over Raji in the mock is looking pretty good so far. :X
 
Are the Packers down to 3 healthy WR's and 2 healthy TE's for the Vikes game? It sounds like Finley is likely out and I don't think Nelson is supposed to be back yet and Swain is going on IR. I assume they will have to add a WR to fill Swain's spot but if anyone gets hurt during the game that may severely limit their multi WR package options. That could be a problem since the passing attack is typically the best way to beat the Vikes defense. Hopefully this is the week that Jennings breaks out.

It will be interesting to see who starts on the o-line this week. I am guessing Tauscher is active but only plays if Barbre is struggling. Not sure what Spitz & Clifton status are. I did not see much of the game Sunday, but I am hoping that no sacks allowed means that TJ Lang played well as we need a young LT as it is pretty clear that Clifton's best days are well behind him and he can't stay healthy. If Lang is playing well I would be fine with him taking over sooner rather than later.

 
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Speculation was Jake Allen would be added from the practice squad at WR. Not much different than Swain really. 4th WR with limited upside.

On the line...not sure...IMO Wells will start at Center after he did play well against Shaun Rogers. Go with the hot hand there and that group that played against Cleveland...though, if they can get Clifton in there at LT I would feel a bit better. Not sure on Tauscher just yet if he is ready.

 
I've always been a huge fan of LeRoy - at this point would be happier seeing them retire #36 than I would #4:

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/66155357.html

Q. What do you think the fan reaction to Brett Favre should be at Lambeau Field this Sunday and what do you think it actually will be?

A. The reaction should be 100% about Aaron Rodgers. When Aaron Rodgers comes out there you should give Aaron Rodgers a standing ovation because he’s our guy for the next 10 years. When Brett comes out you do like any other opposing quarterback, you boo him. If you don’t want to boo him, don’t say anything. But if you’re going to stand up wearing Packer clothing or a Packer uniform and cheer when Brett Favre comes out, you should bring a bag and put it over your head. You don’t cheer for somebody to beat your team, I don’t care who it is. You don’t cheer for another quarterback. If you want to cheer Brett, just bring a bag, put it over your head and you can cheer, and no one will hear you and that’s fine. This is Aaron Rodgers’ show. Don’t let somebody come into your back yard and cheer against you. You don’t cheer for another guy to beat your team. I hope I’m crystal clear with these fans who say they love to see Brett Favre. Well, Brett Favre is gone. It’s Aaron Rodgers’ show. He’s the No. 1-rated quarterback in the NFC, including Brett Favre. I’m happy we’ll be good for the next 10 years. I hope they’ll cheer Aaron and boo Brett. If they don’t want to boo him, that’s their right. But any other quarterback they’d boo, what makes him so special? I mean, wait until he has his number retired, you can cheer him then. You can applaud him all you want. You can’t do that the day of the game, and want your team to win. That’s standing on the fence. You’re either a Packer fan or a Brett fan. If you’re a Brett fan, go buy some purple and wear purple. I have a strong feeling on this, this is my team. I played 12 years for this team. Anybody who comes into that stadium, I want them to lose. If it were me coming back, I wouldn’t expect anyone to cheer for me when I’m going to destroy your team. Of course not.
I don't think I've ever booed anyone or anything in the hundreds of live sporting events I've attended in my life, but I think I'm going to let loose on Sunday afternoon at Lambeau. This is such a huge game for this team, I really hope the home crowd does its best to rattle Favre and support the home team.
 
I don't agree with his stance on cheering him when introduced or the first time he comes out.

IMO, you can cheer him then...but after that...its on and its time to boo him and yell at him and do anything you would do to any opposing QB with maybe a bit more intensity for this one.

 
I've always been a huge fan of LeRoy - at this point would be happier seeing them retire #36 than I would #4:

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/66155357.html

Q. What do you think the fan reaction to Brett Favre should be at Lambeau Field this Sunday and what do you think it actually will be?

A. The reaction should be 100% about Aaron Rodgers. When Aaron Rodgers comes out there you should give Aaron Rodgers a standing ovation because he’s our guy for the next 10 years. When Brett comes out you do like any other opposing quarterback, you boo him. If you don’t want to boo him, don’t say anything. But if you’re going to stand up wearing Packer clothing or a Packer uniform and cheer when Brett Favre comes out, you should bring a bag and put it over your head. You don’t cheer for somebody to beat your team, I don’t care who it is. You don’t cheer for another quarterback. If you want to cheer Brett, just bring a bag, put it over your head and you can cheer, and no one will hear you and that’s fine. This is Aaron Rodgers’ show. Don’t let somebody come into your back yard and cheer against you. You don’t cheer for another guy to beat your team. I hope I’m crystal clear with these fans who say they love to see Brett Favre. Well, Brett Favre is gone. It’s Aaron Rodgers’ show. He’s the No. 1-rated quarterback in the NFC, including Brett Favre. I’m happy we’ll be good for the next 10 years. I hope they’ll cheer Aaron and boo Brett. If they don’t want to boo him, that’s their right. But any other quarterback they’d boo, what makes him so special? I mean, wait until he has his number retired, you can cheer him then. You can applaud him all you want. You can’t do that the day of the game, and want your team to win. That’s standing on the fence. You’re either a Packer fan or a Brett fan. If you’re a Brett fan, go buy some purple and wear purple. I have a strong feeling on this, this is my team. I played 12 years for this team. Anybody who comes into that stadium, I want them to lose. If it were me coming back, I wouldn’t expect anyone to cheer for me when I’m going to destroy your team. Of course not.
I don't think I've ever booed anyone or anything in the hundreds of live sporting events I've attended in my life, but I think I'm going to let loose on Sunday afternoon at Lambeau. This is such a huge game for this team, I really hope the home crowd does its best to rattle Favre and support the home team.
LeRoy's right...know your enemy. I'll be there Sunday to boo #4.
 
I've always been a huge fan of LeRoy - at this point would be happier seeing them retire #36 than I would #4:

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/66155357.html

Q. What do you think the fan reaction to Brett Favre should be at Lambeau Field this Sunday and what do you think it actually will be?

A. The reaction should be 100% about Aaron Rodgers. When Aaron Rodgers comes out there you should give Aaron Rodgers a standing ovation because he’s our guy for the next 10 years. When Brett comes out you do like any other opposing quarterback, you boo him. If you don’t want to boo him, don’t say anything. But if you’re going to stand up wearing Packer clothing or a Packer uniform and cheer when Brett Favre comes out, you should bring a bag and put it over your head. You don’t cheer for somebody to beat your team, I don’t care who it is. You don’t cheer for another quarterback. If you want to cheer Brett, just bring a bag, put it over your head and you can cheer, and no one will hear you and that’s fine. This is Aaron Rodgers’ show. Don’t let somebody come into your back yard and cheer against you. You don’t cheer for another guy to beat your team. I hope I’m crystal clear with these fans who say they love to see Brett Favre. Well, Brett Favre is gone. It’s Aaron Rodgers’ show. He’s the No. 1-rated quarterback in the NFC, including Brett Favre. I’m happy we’ll be good for the next 10 years. I hope they’ll cheer Aaron and boo Brett. If they don’t want to boo him, that’s their right. But any other quarterback they’d boo, what makes him so special? I mean, wait until he has his number retired, you can cheer him then. You can applaud him all you want. You can’t do that the day of the game, and want your team to win. That’s standing on the fence. You’re either a Packer fan or a Brett fan. If you’re a Brett fan, go buy some purple and wear purple. I have a strong feeling on this, this is my team. I played 12 years for this team. Anybody who comes into that stadium, I want them to lose. If it were me coming back, I wouldn’t expect anyone to cheer for me when I’m going to destroy your team. Of course not.
I don't think I've ever booed anyone or anything in the hundreds of live sporting events I've attended in my life, but I think I'm going to let loose on Sunday afternoon at Lambeau. This is such a huge game for this team, I really hope the home crowd does its best to rattle Favre and support the home team.
LeRoy's right...know your enemy. I'll be there Sunday to boo #4.
The last game when they cut to the booth the whole family was wearing purple. Not a single old Packers #4, not one.LeRoy's right, he knows the man.

 

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