Now that Houston has the #1 pick... (1 Viewer)

[Red Apples]

i've read this entire thread and my mind has now been changed.i am now a big believer that houston will trade the pick to the jets.cedric houston for all my pimping this year is no reggie bush. bush in NY would be huge.

 

[The Duff Man]

I can only assume that people who think they should draft Bush are thinking too much about their fantasy team. They spent a first round pick on a QB. With no line he has been on his back more than my sister. They'll never know if this was a busted pick or not, the guy if friggin shell shocked and doesn't have time to throw anything more than 10 yards down the field.They spend a first round pick on a WR. He is very highly touted and seems to have all the skills to be able to succeed in the NFL. His QB has no time to go through more than one or two reads, or to throw the ball down the field, so teams can just blanket him and effectively take him out of the game.If they draft Bush he is going to be wasted if they don't make serious upgrades to their line. Ask McGahee what it's like to run behind a brutal offensive line...and Buffalo's line may actually be better than Houston's! Scary.

 

[Keys Myaths]

I can only assume that people who think they should draft Bush are thinking too much about their fantasy team.

They spent a first round pick on a QB. With no line he has been on his back more than my sister. They'll never know if this was a busted pick or not, the guy if friggin shell shocked and doesn't have time to throw anything more than 10 yards down the field.

They spend a first round pick on a WR. He is very highly touted and seems to have all the skills to be able to succeed in the NFL. His QB has no time to go through more than one or two reads, or to throw the ball down the field, so teams can just blanket him and effectively take him out of the game.

If they draft Bush he is going to be wasted if they don't make serious upgrades to their line. Ask McGahee what it's like to run behind a brutal offensive line...and Buffalo's line may actually be better than Houston's! Scary.

This is a common misconception.Houston's line is terrible when it comes to pass blocking, not run blocking. They're actually above-average when it comes to run blocking.

 

[GregR_2]

I can only assume that people who think they should draft Bush are thinking too much about their fantasy team.

They spent a first round pick on a QB. With no line he has been on his back more than my sister. They'll never know if this was a busted pick or not, the guy if friggin shell shocked and doesn't have time to throw anything more than 10 yards down the field.

They spend a first round pick on a WR. He is very highly touted and seems to have all the skills to be able to succeed in the NFL. His QB has no time to go through more than one or two reads, or to throw the ball down the field, so teams can just blanket him and effectively take him out of the game.

If they draft Bush he is going to be wasted if they don't make serious upgrades to their line. Ask McGahee what it's like to run behind a brutal offensive line...and Buffalo's line may actually be better than Houston's! Scary.

Or perhaps we're thinking of the longer-term success of the franchise and think they will do better in years 3-10 of Bush's career with him, than without him.Let me put it to you another way, which isn't a perfect analogy, but still fits the mindset. The Chargers traded away the #1 pick that Vick was taken with and got extra picks. They didn't fill all their holes with those extra picks though. The D took another 2-3 years to solidify, and the offensive line didn't gel until LT's 4th season.

Bush is viewed as a better potential talent than LT was coming into the draft. So should the Chargers have traded down a 2nd time and taken a linemen or D player, and a later RB, rather than taken LT? Or can a player be special enough that it's worth taking him and knowing maybe it takes you one more season to get in the playoff hunt, but that you'll be stronger when you make it back into the hunt?

 

[The Duff Man]

I can only assume that people who think they should draft Bush are thinking too much about their fantasy team. 

They spent a first round pick on a QB.  With no line he has been on his back more than my sister.  They'll never know if this was a busted pick or not, the guy if friggin shell shocked and doesn't have time to throw anything more than 10 yards down the field.

They spend a first round pick on a WR.  He is very highly touted and seems to have all the skills to be able to succeed in the NFL.  His QB has no time to go through more than one or two reads, or to throw the ball down the field, so teams can just blanket him and effectively take him out of the game.

If they draft Bush he is going to be wasted if they don't make serious upgrades to their line.  Ask McGahee what it's like to run behind a brutal offensive line...and Buffalo's line may actually be better than Houston's!  Scary.

This is a common misconception.Houston's line is terrible when it comes to pass blocking, not run blocking. They're actually above-average when it comes to run blocking.

Point taken. So they may become a team that can only run and have no passing threat. These teams normally succeed when they have an amazing defense (Chicago, Bal of old).

 

[The Duff Man]

I can only assume that people who think they should draft Bush are thinking too much about their fantasy team. 

They spent a first round pick on a QB.  With no line he has been on his back more than my sister.  They'll never know if this was a busted pick or not, the guy if friggin shell shocked and doesn't have time to throw anything more than 10 yards down the field.

They spend a first round pick on a WR.  He is very highly touted and seems to have all the skills to be able to succeed in the NFL.  His QB has no time to go through more than one or two reads, or to throw the ball down the field, so teams can just blanket him and effectively take him out of the game.

If they draft Bush he is going to be wasted if they don't make serious upgrades to their line.  Ask McGahee what it's like to run behind a brutal offensive line...and Buffalo's line may actually be better than Houston's!  Scary.

Or perhaps we're thinking of the longer-term success of the franchise and think they will do better in years 3-10 of Bush's career with him, than without him.Let me put it to you another way, which isn't a perfect analogy, but still fits the mindset. The Chargers traded away the #1 pick that Vick was taken with and got extra picks. They didn't fill all their holes with those extra picks though. The D took another 2-3 years to solidify, and the offensive line didn't gel until LT's 4th season.

Bush is viewed as a better potential talent than LT was coming into the draft. So should the Chargers have traded down a 2nd time and taken a linemen or D player, and a later RB, rather than taken LT? Or can a player be special enough that it's worth taking him and knowing maybe it takes you one more season to get in the playoff hunt, but that you'll be stronger when you make it back into the hunt?

The problem I forsee is that they will get Bush but it will be impossible for them to upgrade enough elsewhere (particularly on the o-line) in a hurry. How are they going to get enough skilled linemen? They better hope they don't miss on their draft picks in the next 2 years or you won't be talking about years 3-10. You might end up talking about years 5-10, and I doubt a 5 year plan to improve is what they would have in mind.Your point raises a scenario I hadn't thought of though. They take Bush and tank again, getting another top 3 pick. They trade the pick next year to fill holes. In year 3-4 they may be able to turn it around. With this gameplan in mind (tanking again next year) I can see a case for taking Bush.

 

[Atomic Punk]

Any thoughts on the Raiders trading up to #1 to nab Leinart?The #6, 2nd round pick and next years 1st should do it.If Leinart is all that is advertised, the Raiders would benefit equally. By doing this they would also help out NO by making the #2 pick extremely valuable.

 

[Limecuda]

With all of the hype of this year's draft, that deal won't get Oakland up to #1.

 

[Rev]

I can't see what good stockpiling RB talent on a hopeless team would do. 

Drafting Bush would do a lot of good:1. Sell tickets and merchandise (the most important thing, mind you)

I would agree with you if we were talking about a Walt Dysney movie. I think it's safe to say that in football, winning is the main thing. Merchandising and ticket sales stem from success on the field. If you lose, you get fired or benched... flat out. For example: How many Texan jersey's will you buy if they go 2-14 next year with Bush running the ball? Or how much would you be willing to spend on season tickets if you knew that the squad would have a great running back but would likely suck for the indefinite future because the team is wasting that RB's talent?

Do you have any idea what the Raider's sell each year?

Do you really wish to compare the Raiders to the Texans in terms of their respective national following, tradition, history, and image, all of which draws people to buy a given team's merchandise? I hope not.Also, as another poster has mentioned, those proceedes are likely to go to the league, not to the player or team.

 

[Bri]

Also, as another poster has mentioned, those proceedes are likely to go to the league, not to the player or team.

players get checks from sales of their jerseys. I don't know the percentage but have heard stories about Punters joking how they knew when their mom bought one.