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The Packers pass on B.Sanders to take OL Mandarich.
I'm sorry, but only in hindsight can the Packers be ripped for this pick. Yes it turned out to be one of the biggest mistakes in NFL draft history (and Sanders was hardly the only stud drafted after Mandarich) but heading into the draft everybody and their mother said the top two picks were Aikman and Mandarich. Since the Packers had the second pick, that meant Mandarich was the guy. There probably wasn't a team in the league who wouldn't have taken him with the second pick. It just turned out that all of the steroid rumors were true and when he got to the NFL and got off the juice he turned into a worthless pile of garbage.But NOBODY was ripping the Packers the day they drafted Tony Mandarich. That was viewed as a slam-dunk, no-questions-asked pick after the Cowboys took Aikman No. 1.

 
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Keep dreamin' laddie, keep dreamin'. Not a chance in hell that pittance gets the deal done...the worst that Houston should accept for the #1 pick is a top 5 pick, plus a 2nd, plus another starter.
This is the point. Whether Houston takes Bush or trades down REALLY depends on what kind of offers they're getting. With all of the Bush hype right now, I would think that they're going to be better served getting market value by trading down. :2cents:
 
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when you have a chance to draft michael jordan, you dont take sam bowie or hakeem olajuwon  just because you need a center.
You have the advantage of hindsight. Bowie was extremely well regarded before the draft as well. And Jordan, instead of being the greatest player of all-time, could have turned out to be "just" a Clyde Drexler type.I think the Texans should take Bush, but you argument holds no water.
well if you think reggie bush could be the best ever than he is the michael jordan of football.and if you think the texans need OL or should trade down, than those options equate to bowie & olajuwon.

so the texans should draft reggie bush and not pass up on the michael jordan of football because you have more pressing needs.

 
when you have a chance to draft michael jordan, you dont take sam bowie or hakeem olajuwon just because you need a center.
You have the advantage of hindsight. Bowie was extremely well regarded before the draft as well. And Jordan, instead of being the greatest player of all-time, could have turned out to be "just" a Clyde Drexler type.I think the Texans should take Bush, but you argument holds no water.
well if you think reggie bush could be the best ever than he is the michael jordan of football.and if you think the texans need OL or should trade down, than those options equate to bowie & olajuwon.

so the texans should draft reggie bush and not pass up on the michael jordan of football because you have more pressing needs.
If the Texans have a chance to trade down and get the football equivalent of Olajuwon then they sure as hell better strongly consider it. That's the kind of talent who wins championships.
 
HOU takes Bush, end of story.There won't be a trade on the table that makes enough sense for them to accept it.Bush is being touted as a game breaker and the no brainer #1 pick. You don't pass that up.

 
well if you think reggie bush could be the best ever than he is the michael jordan of football.

and if you think the texans need OL or should trade down, than those options equate to bowie & olajuwon.

so the texans should draft reggie bush and not pass up on the michael jordan of football because you have more pressing needs.
There is a lot of guys that could be the best ever. Remember, MJ wasn't taken #1 either.It'll be interesting to see what the teams really think. The media has hyped Reggie to the point that everyone is comparing him with MJ and Gale Sayers. :eek:

 
I think the Texans trade down to the Jets or Packers.They should get the number 1 next and this year - and the number 2 this year possibly.Texans take best player on the board who is not a QB or RB

 
I'll add that the Texans new regime (no more CCasserly?) won't pass up a good opportunity.If they can get the farm for trading the #1 pick.....then they'll do it to improve the team. If they don't get an offer that knocks their socks off, then they'll draft Bush and hope to land some extra later round picks for Dom Davis. He's no slouch but you don't pass on the hyped Reggie.

 
The Packers pass on B.Sanders to take OL Mandarich.
I'm sorry, but only in hindsight can the Packers be ripped for this pick. Yes it turned out to be one of the biggest mistakes in NFL draft history (and Sanders was hardly the only stud drafted after Mandarich) but heading into the draft everybody and their mother said the top two picks were Aikman and Mandarich. Since the Packers had the second pick, that meant Mandarich was the guy. There probably wasn't a team in the league who wouldn't have taken him with the second pick. It just turned out that all of the steroid rumors were true and when he got to the NFL and got off the juice he turned into a worthless pile of garbage.But NOBODY was ripping the Packers the day they drafted Tony Mandarich. That was viewed as a slam-dunk, no-questions-asked pick after the Cowboys took Aikman No. 1.
:goodposting: Thanks packersfan. Hopefully this puts an end to the "Ya can't pass on the next Walter Payton" argument. Every team drafts the guy who they believe is the best player with their slot (either the best player available or the best match available) or trades down to meet their needs.... using the best info that they have at the time (they don't have the luxury of that players future stats or injury reports).

No one says "Hey, we could have the next Michael Jordan if we draft player X, but what fun would that be? Let's go after that bum who is sure to flop like Ryan Leaf and then get together and have a good laugh over a Guinness."

 
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The Packers pass on B.Sanders to take OL Mandarich.
I'm sorry, but only in hindsight can the Packers be ripped for this pick. Yes it turned out to be one of the biggest mistakes in NFL draft history (and Sanders was hardly the only stud drafted after Mandarich) but heading into the draft everybody and their mother said the top two picks were Aikman and Mandarich. Since the Packers had the second pick, that meant Mandarich was the guy. There probably wasn't a team in the league who wouldn't have taken him with the second pick. It just turned out that all of the steroid rumors were true and when he got to the NFL and got off the juice he turned into a worthless pile of garbage.But NOBODY was ripping the Packers the day they drafted Tony Mandarich. That was viewed as a slam-dunk, no-questions-asked pick after the Cowboys took Aikman No. 1.
Fair enough, however Bush is considered a slam dunk as well
 
The Packers pass on B.Sanders to take OL Mandarich.
I'm sorry, but only in hindsight can the Packers be ripped for this pick. Yes it turned out to be one of the biggest mistakes in NFL draft history (and Sanders was hardly the only stud drafted after Mandarich) but heading into the draft everybody and their mother said the top two picks were Aikman and Mandarich. Since the Packers had the second pick, that meant Mandarich was the guy. There probably wasn't a team in the league who wouldn't have taken him with the second pick. It just turned out that all of the steroid rumors were true and when he got to the NFL and got off the juice he turned into a worthless pile of garbage.But NOBODY was ripping the Packers the day they drafted Tony Mandarich. That was viewed as a slam-dunk, no-questions-asked pick after the Cowboys took Aikman No. 1.
Fair enough, however Bush is considered a slam dunk as well
So was Hershel Walker and look what the Cowboys did trading him away.There is no one perfect formula.

 
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Look for the Jets to make a move. Bradaway needs to capture the back pages again with a big splash like he did the year the JEts were raided by the Skins. How bout the Jets deal the #4 overall, 2nd rder this yr and John Abraham - would give Houston a defensive stud and still a top 5 pick. Doubt Jets will pay the big money for Abe. Both teams make out IMO - Should be a fun few months.

 
Look for the Jets to make a move.  Bradaway needs to capture the back pages again with a big splash like he did the year the JEts were raided by the Skins. 

How bout the Jets deal the #4 overall, 2nd rder this yr and John Abraham - would give Houston a defensive stud and still a top 5 pick.  Doubt Jets will pay the big money for Abe. 

Both teams make out IMO - Should be a fun few months.
Pretty good. I said two #1s and a #2. Yours is probably even better.How about two #1s and Abraham? I bet the Jets still do it.

 
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Look for the Jets to make a move.  Bradaway needs to capture the back pages again with a big splash like he did the year the JEts were raided by the Skins. 

How bout the Jets deal the #4 overall, 2nd rder this yr and John Abraham - would give Houston a defensive stud and still a top 5 pick.  Doubt Jets will pay the big money for Abe. 

Both teams make out IMO - Should be a fun few months.
Pretty good. I said two #1s and a #2. Yours is probably even better.How about two #1s and Abraham? I bet the Jets still do it.
Actually not a bad deal, although if I were the Jets I would offer a # 4 this season and a # 2 next year with the #1 and Abraham.The JEts have too much invested in that D right now, and although he is no Jon Abraham, Bryan Thomas would be an adequate fill in. The Texans can sign Abraham to a long term deal and get a very good pass rusher for the 4-3 or an interesting matchup OLB in the 3-4. I would trade the # 4 to pick up another 1st rounder, and use the mid first rounder on the best player available.

 
Look for the Jets to make a move.  Bradaway needs to capture the back pages again with a big splash like he did the year the JEts were raided by the Skins. 

How bout the Jets deal the #4 overall, 2nd rder this yr and John Abraham - would give Houston a defensive stud and still a top 5 pick.  Doubt Jets will pay the big money for Abe. 

Both teams make out IMO - Should be a fun few months.
Pretty good. I said two #1s and a #2. Yours is probably even better.How about two #1s and Abraham? I bet the Jets still do it.
Actually not a bad deal, although if I were the Jets I would offer a # 4 this season and a # 2 next year with the #1 and Abraham.The JEts have too much invested in that D right now, and although he is no Jon Abraham, Bryan Thomas would be an adequate fill in. The Texans can sign Abraham to a long term deal and get a very good pass rusher for the 4-3 or an interesting matchup OLB in the 3-4. I would trade the # 4 to pick up another 1st rounder, and use the mid first rounder on the best player available.
Doubt the JEts would throw in another #1 but the 2nd this yr makes up for it (4th won't cut it either) - If Houston trades down again to 10-12 they could pick up another 2nd rder. They could grab a top OL in the 1st rd, J Abe and 3 2nd rd prospects for this year. That is how you rebuild a team - not one player. Jets have holes but they have talent. With Bush and a solid FA QB, OL they can compete next year.
 
Look for the Jets to make a move.  Bradaway needs to capture the back pages again with a big splash like he did the year the JEts were raided by the Skins. 

How bout the Jets deal the #4 overall, 2nd rder this yr and John Abraham - would give Houston a defensive stud and still a top 5 pick.  Doubt Jets will pay the big money for Abe. 

Both teams make out IMO - Should be a fun few months.
Pretty good. I said two #1s and a #2. Yours is probably even better.How about two #1s and Abraham? I bet the Jets still do it.
Actually not a bad deal, although if I were the Jets I would offer a # 4 this season and a # 2 next year with the #1 and Abraham.The JEts have too much invested in that D right now, and although he is no Jon Abraham, Bryan Thomas would be an adequate fill in. The Texans can sign Abraham to a long term deal and get a very good pass rusher for the 4-3 or an interesting matchup OLB in the 3-4. I would trade the # 4 to pick up another 1st rounder, and use the mid first rounder on the best player available.
I'd take Ferguson with that #4 pick, take Abraham, and take the BPA with the Jets #1 next year.
 
If you select Bush, which I expect 99% to do, explain what you expect the Texans to do with Morency, Wells, and Davis.... not to mention with their struggling O-line and quarterback.
they need to find out what Morrency, Wells, and Davis would fetch in trade. IMO Davis might be worth alot. Is Wells a FA?His late season play probably earned him some hgiher trade value.

I think they should research this in addition to researching the "trade down" offers.

If Davis can fetch a 1 and ?, I say take Bush
I doubt they could get more than a third for Davis. Travis Henry was a comparable player at this time last year and he only fetched a third. RBs don't have as much NFL value as FF value. Keep that in mind. Remember this offseason when there were rumors that James and Alexander were both available for any first round pick? Those were probably just rumors, but my point is that even the better RBs don't command that much in trades. Davis has a 4.1 YPC average and has had durability issues throughout his career. If the Texans could get more than a third round pick for him, I'd be surprised.
Edge and Alexander were expensive and teams would have had to cut players if they traded for them. Essentially they were trading even more for them(picks, players plus cut players)It seems the salary cap is going to give teams some more room than usual this offseason. I think the wise teams will use the extra money to land a player that will be good for a long time and NOT a bunch of fill-ins that might not be there 2 years from now. IF teams have extra $, Davis may have more value this year than last. Teams competing offers would raise his value
The question still remains, who's going to give up a first round pick for a RB with mediocre per/touch numbers and history of nagging injuries? It doesn't make any sense for a team to do that when they can acquire a similar player at a greatly reduced cost. Serviceable RBs are a dime-a-dozen. Look at last year's draft. Guys like Moats, Morency, Gore, Houston, and Barber were available in the mid-rounds. I wouldn't call any of them stars, but they're all performing adequately.

This year won't be any different. Bush, White, Williams, and Maroney have a good chance of going in the first round. After that, guys like Jerome Harrison, Leon Washington, Joseph Addai, Michael Bush, and others will provide solid value in the mid rounds.

When you add it all up, there's almost no reason why a team would trade a first or second round pick for Domanick Davis. He just hasn't shown that he's that valuable.
Moats, Morency, Houston, and Barber TOGETHER probably equal one regular DD season's worth of yardage. Nice comparisonThe guy gets 1000 yards every year he's a pro. Falls short by 20-25 this year in just 11 games and you say he just performs adequately

 
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If you select Bush, which I expect 99% to do, explain what you expect the Texans to do with Morency, Wells, and Davis.... not to mention with their struggling O-line and quarterback.
they need to find out what Morrency, Wells, and Davis would fetch in trade. IMO Davis might be worth alot. Is Wells a FA?His late season play probably earned him some hgiher trade value.

I think they should research this in addition to researching the "trade down" offers.

If Davis can fetch a 1 and ?, I say take Bush
I doubt they could get more than a third for Davis. Travis Henry was a comparable player at this time last year and he only fetched a third. RBs don't have as much NFL value as FF value. Keep that in mind. Remember this offseason when there were rumors that James and Alexander were both available for any first round pick? Those were probably just rumors, but my point is that even the better RBs don't command that much in trades. Davis has a 4.1 YPC average and has had durability issues throughout his career. If the Texans could get more than a third round pick for him, I'd be surprised.
Edge and Alexander were expensive and teams would have had to cut players if they traded for them. Essentially they were trading even more for them(picks, players plus cut players)It seems the salary cap is going to give teams some more room than usual this offseason. I think the wise teams will use the extra money to land a player that will be good for a long time and NOT a bunch of fill-ins that might not be there 2 years from now. IF teams have extra $, Davis may have more value this year than last. Teams competing offers would raise his value
The question still remains, who's going to give up a first round pick for a RB with mediocre per/touch numbers and history of nagging injuries? It doesn't make any sense for a team to do that when they can acquire a similar player at a greatly reduced cost. Serviceable RBs are a dime-a-dozen. Look at last year's draft. Guys like Moats, Morency, Gore, Houston, and Barber were available in the mid-rounds. I wouldn't call any of them stars, but they're all performing adequately.

This year won't be any different. Bush, White, Williams, and Maroney have a good chance of going in the first round. After that, guys like Jerome Harrison, Leon Washington, Joseph Addai, Michael Bush, and others will provide solid value in the mid rounds.

When you add it all up, there's almost no reason why a team would trade a first or second round pick for Domanick Davis. He just hasn't shown that he's that valuable.
Moats, Morency, Houston, and Barber TOGETHER probably equal one regular DD season's worth of yardage. Nice comparisonThe guy gets 1000 yards every year he's a pro. Falls short by 20-25 this year in just 11 games and you say he just performs adequately
The numbers don't lie. If those guys were given 20+ touches each week then they'd probably rush for 1,000 yards too.
 
If Jimmy Johnson was to get the job and get some authority with the draft I would suspect a Herschel Walker type deal with the hype surrounding Bush. Of course JJ coming won't happen but the cards are on the table to set this team up for the future if the cards are played right.To those folks comparing Bush to a Jordan, some swear Barry Sanders was the greatest rb to play yet Detroit never won anything. All that is ever said is "if he had Dallas' o-line he would have had 2500 yards a season." Houston needs an o-line.

 
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If you select Bush, which I expect 99% to do, explain what you expect the Texans to do with Morency, Wells, and Davis.... not to mention with their struggling O-line and quarterback.
Two words. D. Brickshaw.
 
Estimated 2006 cap: $92m.Texans estimated cap figure: $81.8mAmount under: $10.2m.Free agents: WR Corey Bradford; WR Jabar Gaffney; WR Derick Armstrong (RFA); OT Seth Wand (RFA); G Fred Weary; G Milford Brown; OT Victor Riley; TE Matt Murphy; RB Jonathan Wells; QB Dave Ragone (RFA); LB Shantee Orr (RFA); LB Dashon Polk; LB Antwan Peek (RFA); LB Frank Chamberlin; LB Troy Evans; CB Jason Bell; S Ramon Walker; LS Bryan Pittman (RFA).Possible cap casualties:Gary Walker $5.8mMcKinney $4.7mWiegert $4.2mColeman $3mKris Brown $1.5mI don't really think Walker will be cut... only mention him because of his high salary and injury history.Ok, so back to Bush. I think if you get an offer worth trading down you trade down (duh), and if you don't you take Bush. I think it would take a pretty great offer though. Minimum a high first this year (top 7), a 1st next year, and a 2nd and an additional pick. I also think a potential Jets trade involving Abraham could be worthwhile. But if you aren't going to get potentially 4 starters out of it, I think you take Bush and accept that it will take you longer to build a playoff caliber team, but that when you get there the team is going to be a lot better for the presence of Bush.You trade DD if you can, though I don't think the Texans get more than a 3rd for him, and might not even get that. If that means a cap hit this year, you live with it. This isn't a great year for O-line free agents anyway, so it isn't like you are going to solve the situation by throwing money at it in free agency. Though getting someone like Steven Hutchinson (pipe dream) would definitely help.I think a lot of people who don't follow the team underestimate how much the coaching contributed to the failure of this team. The offense got noticeably better with some basic changes after Palmer was fired... things like not constantly running routes that go 20 yards deep when your QB only has 2 seconds to get rid of the ball.If the Texans can draft relatively well on the first day, they can make a good step towards a foundation for long-term success. They have (barring compensatory picks) the 1st, 33rd, 65th and 66th picks (the last from the Saints). Various scouting sites have as many as 4 tackles as potential first rounders, while some have 2. If you can get Bush and still get a potential solid tackle at 2.1, that can be a very good start towards fixing the Texans biggest problems.

 
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Couple things:Dom Davis is a very mediocre FEATURE back. I've given up trying to convince some people of this, but it's true. He's not significantly better than Wells for example. His FANTASY stats are good because of the way he is used, it's not because of an abundance of talent.Dom Davis's "big contract" is NOT a "big contract". If they want to, they can very easily walk away from that deal or just pay him and use him as a backup. $22M over 5 years sounds like a lot, but it's NOT a high starter's salary. It's high for a backup, but not a starter.Speaking of his contract, all of the news blurbs I've read about his contract indicated GUARANTEES of $8M. That does NOT necessarily translate to an $8M signing bonus. I don't think every form of guarantee will cap-accelerate if they trade him. If he has a guaranteed salary of $4M in his 3rd year for example, that COULD hit his NEW team's cap instead of his old team's. Without knowing the exact contract language, it's hard to say for sure.For the folks saying "what would an upgrade at RB do for a bad team with a bad line" - ask San Diego. San Diego's line was generally regarded as one of the worst in the league and the team was regarded as one of the worst in the league before they drafted Tomlinson. Doesn't seem to be holding them back now does it? Tomlinson is a difference maker. If the the Texans believe Bush is a difference-maker, there is no doubt at all that they should draft him and be done with it.

 
For the folks saying "what would an upgrade at RB do for a bad team with a bad line" - ask San Diego. San Diego's line was generally regarded as one of the worst in the league and the team was regarded as one of the worst in the league before they drafted Tomlinson. Doesn't seem to be holding them back now does it? Tomlinson is a difference maker.
Yes he is. Of course, the Chargers didn't have a proven 1,000-yard rusher or solid backup RBs on the roster when they drafted Tomlinson. So the comparison doesn't quite work. And as good as Tomlinson is, it wasn't until Brees arrived as a QB and Gates emerged as a TE that they became a playoff-caliber team. And you could argue they didn't make the playoffs this season due in large part to Gates' absence in Week 1. So as great as LT is, you could argue he's not even the biggest difference maker on his team.The good news if the Texans draft Bush -- and he pans out -- is they will have an upgrade at the RB position, possibly a significant one. The bad news is they will also have a glut of talent at one position that was already one of the team's few strengths and still possibly be a terrible team due to the massive weaknesses elsewhere.

I still think it'd be pretty damn funny if the Texans drafted Bush and he couldn't beat out Dom Davis for the starting job next season. And if you don't think that's a possibility, take a good look at the No. 1 pick for the Bears this season and how that situation played itself out.

 
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The good news if the Texans draft Bush -- and he pans out -- is they will have an upgrade at the RB position, possibly a significant one. The bad news is they will also have a glut of talent at one position that was already one of the team's few strengths and still possibly be a terrible team due to the massive weaknesses elsewhere.
The difference we have is that I think RB is one of their many weaknesses, not a strength. They don't have a true feature back. They have a COP/3rd down back in the feature back role, putting up good stats but killing the offense with weak 1st down running.
I still think it'd be pretty damn funny if the Texans drafted Bush and he couldn't beat out Dom Davis for the starting job next season. And if you don't think that's a possibility, take a good look at the No. 1 pick for the Bears this season and how that situation played itself out.
I was one of many who did NOT think Chicago should have drafted a RB. I thought Thomas Jones was a strength the way you think Davis is a strength and I also didn't think Benson looked like a real difference maker (or at least not enough of one where he was drafted). But I don't don't disagree that it's possible Bush doesn't show in the NFL what he has showed in college. Happens fairly frequently with "can't-miss" prospects. But, real owners and fantasy owners have to do the best they can with the information they have. The information (and "expert" opinions) we have right now on Bush sure seems to indicate the guy can do a LOT of things that Dom just can't (and that the team desperately needs).
 
The difference we have is that I think RB is one of their many weaknesses, not a strength. They don't have a true feature back. They have a COP/3rd down back in the feature back role, putting up good stats but killing the offense with weak 1st down running.
I'd say the woeful offensive line, suspect QB play and pedestrian WRs (excluding Johnson) are just as much to fault for any offensive issues. Dom Davis may not be an elite RB but he's proven to be a pretty good one. And when Davis has been out, Wells has done well. And today when both Davis and Wells were out, Morency looked good. Maybe we should start talking about the Houston "system" of producing solid RBs. ;) Seriously, I watch the Texans and I see RBs do well; maybe not always great or at an elite level, but certainly well -- especially considering the fact this team often has no passing game to take the pressure off the running game and a putrid defense and suspect offensive line. When you put all that together, what Davis in particular has done is pretty damn impressive in my opinion.
I was one of many who did NOT think Chicago should have drafted a RB.
Same here. I thought they should've drafted a WR.
I thought Thomas Jones was a strength the way you think Davis is a strength and I also didn't think Benson looked like a real difference maker (or at least not enough of one where he was drafted). But I don't don't disagree that it's possible Bush doesn't show in the NFL what he has showed in college. Happens fairly frequently with "can't-miss" prospects. But, real owners and fantasy owners have to do the best they can with the information they have. The information (and "expert" opinions) we have right now on Bush sure seems to indicate the guy can do a LOT of things that Dom just can't (and that the team desperately needs).
If Bush is as good as advertised there's no question he'll be better than Davis. My point, though, is that even if he is an upgrade that still may not help the Texans improve all that much. They have so many other areas of weakness that need to be addressed. I really think it's in their best interests to trade down if possible. I feel the same way about the Packers, who are in much more of a need of a RB than the Texans, and their first-round pick.
 
DD is not a bum....I would not consider bush to be a MAJOR upgrade.  I'd rather have D. Ferguson, DD, and an extra draft pick than Bush, 2nd round OL.
I agree entirely, but what I am not seeing is plausible scenerioes where this happens.Green Bay? They need D and OL more.

New Orleans is almost a dead lock for Leinart.

San Fran? Gore is decent when healthy, Hicks is ok, Barlow isn't gone yet, and they need a lot of help elsewhere.

Do the Jets trade up? This is the only one I see working - if Martin is done, or the Jets want to stink for another year, they need more than a RB.
Actually, I think Green Bay and New Orleans would love to work on a deal for Bush.Also, what about some of the top tier teams, like those who may lose a stud RB? Teams like Seattle and Indy may be seeking an RB and have alot of depth to share.

Alot of teams will want/need an LT2 caliber back (potentially), and they may be willing to pay a nice price for him if they have the talent/cash/draft picks to orchestrate a trade.
NO? I really don't see how a team that started Bouman the last few weeks and has Brooks doesn't go with Leinart.GB? Maybe.

Denver scares the bejeezus out of me with Bush, and has 2 1sts and may decide neither Anderson or Bell is the future. Out of character for the team, but who knows?

Steelers? :unsure:

Somehow I missed that (Norm Chow) the Titans have 1.03. That would make a fair amount of sense. Chris Brown is a good back, but can't stay healthy. 1.03 and a 2nd for Bush?

The more I think about it, the more I like it. Consider this my "call" at this point.

 
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As a Colts fan, I hope they select Bush. I want to see the kid every year.I think Bush takes them from being 2-14 to 5-11 so I love it as a Colts fan. I see this scenario much like Detroit and Barry Sanders. A lot of fun to watch but predictable losers.The best scenario for the Texans is to trade #1 for a top OLineman, and multiple picks.I also agree with trying to trade 1 of their current RB's for additional linemen.Bush makes no sense if Carr doesn't have time to get him the ball if he is split out. Or if the line can't block for him like this season for the Texans!

 
As a Colts fan, I hope they select Bush. I want to see the kid every year.

I think Bush takes them from being 2-14 to 5-11 so I love it as a Colts fan.

I see this scenario much like Detroit and Barry Sanders. A lot of fun to watch but predictable losers.

The best scenario for the Texans is to trade #1 for a top OLineman, and multiple picks.

I also agree with trying to trade 1 of their current RB's for additional linemen.

Bush makes no sense if Carr doesn't have time to get him the ball if he is split out. Or if the line can't block for him like this season for the Texans!
I don't understand why people keep saying this sort of thing in Bush threads. The Texans were tied for 9th best in the NFL in run blocking (4.2 ypc), despite their best RB missing 1/3 of the season.The Texans line can't PASS block. Their RUN blocking is just fine.

 
Maybe he is nt their best RB ( davis i am talking about )

As a Colts fan, I hope they select Bush. I want to see the kid every year.

I think Bush takes them from being 2-14 to 5-11 so I love it as a Colts fan.

I see this scenario much like Detroit and Barry Sanders. A lot of fun to watch but predictable losers.

The best scenario for the Texans is to trade #1 for a top OLineman, and multiple picks.

I also agree with trying to trade 1 of their current RB's for additional linemen.

Bush makes no sense if Carr doesn't have time to get him the ball if he is split out. Or if the line can't block for him like this season for the Texans!
I don't understand why people keep saying this sort of thing in Bush threads. The Texans were tied for 9th best in the NFL in run blocking (4.2 ypc), despite their best RB missing 1/3 of the season.The Texans line can't PASS block. Their RUN blocking is just fine.
 
DD is not a bum....I would not consider bush to be a MAJOR upgrade.  I'd rather have D. Ferguson, DD, and an extra draft pick than Bush, 2nd round OL.
I agree entirely, but what I am not seeing is plausible scenerioes where this happens.Green Bay? They need D and OL more.

New Orleans is almost a dead lock for Leinart.

San Fran? Gore is decent when healthy, Hicks is ok, Barlow isn't gone yet, and they need a lot of help elsewhere.

Do the Jets trade up? This is the only one I see working - if Martin is done, or the Jets want to stink for another year, they need more than a RB.
Actually, I think Green Bay and New Orleans would love to work on a deal for Bush.Also, what about some of the top tier teams, like those who may lose a stud RB? Teams like Seattle and Indy may be seeking an RB and have alot of depth to share.

Alot of teams will want/need an LT2 caliber back (potentially), and they may be willing to pay a nice price for him if they have the talent/cash/draft picks to orchestrate a trade.
NO? I really don't see how a team that started Bouman the last few weeks and has Brooks doesn't go with Leinart.GB? Maybe.

Denver scares the bejeezus out of me with Bush, and has 2 1sts and may decide neither Anderson or Bell is the future. Out of character for the team, but who knows?

Steelers? :unsure:

Somehow I missed that (Norm Chow) the Titans have 1.03. That would make a fair amount of sense. Chris Brown is a good back, but can't stay healthy. 1.03 and a 2nd for Bush?

The more I think about it, the more I like it. Consider this my "call" at this point.
No way HOU takes only 1.03 and a 2nd for Bush. The Jets would pony up AT LEAST 2 1sts if not more.
 
No way HOU takes only 1.03 and a 2nd for Bush. The Jets would pony up AT LEAST 2 1sts if not more.
They must value that pick quite a bit given how many games they threw away to get it. :tinfoilhat:
 
This team needs playmakers. I'm 99% sure they'll take Bush and I think it's definitely the best move that they can make (unless they're absolutely in love with Leinart).
They have a star running back and young talent in Morency. They don't need Lienart. Who knows if he will be better than Carr. They need OL, a TE, and defense oh and then more OL. :excited: If they take Bush it just shows how stupid they are. Everyone is so in love with Bush, even if he is as good as Barry Sanders, if he plays for a crap team, he will be just like Barry Sanders, the best running back on a team that sucks. That won't help anything. They need some major help across the board and if they do keep Carr, they will have to pay him big bucks. They just resigned Dom Davis too. Adding Bush would put too many eggs in one basket in my opinion.

I still dont see Bush being an every down back in the NFL.

 
I don't think anyone will give Houston two #1 picks + players or more draft picks for him(R.B.). Teams still recall Minnesota & H. Walker, and N.O. and Ricky Williams deals. Neither of those teams went to the S.B. Houston will draft him, and be knee deep at Running back :P

 
I would trade the pick.

NFL football is not like the NBA or the NFL. This is a coaches league. It is chess on grass. Great coaching is what wins.

 
I would trade the pick.

NFL football is not like the NBA or the NFL. This is a coaches league. It is chess on grass. Great coaching is what wins.
To a degree, but you need players that fit the system, especially on defense. The PAtriots are a good example, they have great role players that thrive in their roles.
 
I would trade the pick.

NFL football is not like the NBA or the NFL. This is a coaches league. It is chess on grass. Great coaching is what wins.
To a degree, but you need players that fit the system, especially on defense. The PAtriots are a good example, they have great role players that thrive in their roles.
I'm not disagreeing with that at all. But you are talking about role players. This thread asks a different question: Can you pass up on a once-in-a-decade player like Bush? Absolutely. Its more important to have a great coach and give him the role players he needs.
 
Hypothetically speaking, if I had this pick with Bush on the board I would trade it for Bill Belichick.

 
I would trade the pick.

NFL football is not like the NBA or the NFL.  This is a coaches league.  It is chess on grass.  Great coaching is what wins.
To a degree, but you need players that fit the system, especially on defense. The PAtriots are a good example, they have great role players that thrive in their roles.
I'm not disagreeing with that at all. But you are talking about role players. This thread asks a different question: Can you pass up on a once-in-a-decade player like Bush? Absolutely. Its more important to have a great coach and give him the role players he needs.
Every team of role players needs a superstart (see Tom Brady, Richard Seymour). And offense is very tough to succeed solely on caoching. For example, the Pats have Brady running that puts role players where they are supposed to be.
 
I would trade the pick.

NFL football is not like the NBA or the NFL. This is a coaches league. It is chess on grass. Great coaching is what wins.
To a degree, but you need players that fit the system, especially on defense. The PAtriots are a good example, they have great role players that thrive in their roles.
I'm not disagreeing with that at all. But you are talking about role players. This thread asks a different question: Can you pass up on a once-in-a-decade player like Bush? Absolutely. Its more important to have a great coach and give him the role players he needs.
Every team of role players needs a superstart (see Tom Brady, Richard Seymour). And offense is very tough to succeed solely on caoching. For example, the Pats have Brady running that puts role players where they are supposed to be.
The superstar is the coach.
 
I also think a potential Jets trade involving Abraham could be worthwhile.
I am thinking this as well (or more hoping as a Jets homer).
 
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I also think a potential Jets trade involving Abraham could be worthwhile.
I am thinking this as well (or more hoping as a Jets homer).
first let me say, I don't follow college football... at all.The only thing I've heard about Reggie Bush is that he's a "talent that only comes about once every 10 years". fine. That doesn't impress me, they said the same types of things about Blair Thomas.

My questions are, Is giving up a pure pass rusher like Abraham worth going after Bush? Are any of the other RB prospects enough to justify they stay at 4?

 
I also think a potential Jets trade involving Abraham could be worthwhile.
I am thinking this as well (or more hoping as a Jets homer).
first let me say, I don't follow college football... at all.The only thing I've heard about Reggie Bush is that he's a "talent that only comes about once every 10 years". fine. That doesn't impress me, they said the same types of things about Blair Thomas.

My questions are, Is giving up a pure pass rusher like Abraham worth going after Bush? Are any of the other RB prospects enough to justify they stay at 4?
I don't disagree - guys like Abraham aren't easy to find either, although I'm not sure who's available in FA. I just think Reggie is a great fit for the team after being spoiled so long by the presence of Curtis so long, and I'm not sure Houston is the answer.

That said, I sure wouldn't mind going for a guy like Deshaun Foster and just sign Abraham long-term.

 
I voted trade down. D'Brickshaw Ferguson should be their guy. The NFL game is won and lost in the trenches. You've got to give your QB time to throw and your RB lanes to run in.

 
Maybe he is nt their best RB ( davis i am talking about )

As a Colts fan, I hope they select Bush. I want to see the kid every year.

I think Bush takes them from being 2-14 to 5-11 so I love it as a Colts fan.

I see this scenario much like Detroit and Barry Sanders. A lot of fun to watch but predictable losers.

The best scenario for the Texans is to trade #1 for a top OLineman, and multiple picks.

I also agree with trying to trade 1 of their current RB's for additional linemen.

Bush makes no sense if Carr doesn't have time to get him the ball if he is split out. Or if the line can't block for him like this season for the Texans!
I don't understand why people keep saying this sort of thing in Bush threads. The Texans were tied for 9th best in the NFL in run blocking (4.2 ypc), despite their best RB missing 1/3 of the season.The Texans line can't PASS block. Their RUN blocking is just fine.
To humor you... that would just further strengthen my point if they achieved that ranking with a lesser RB playing 2/3 of the games... instead of 1/3 of the games as I said given that DD is the best RB on the team.
 
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I can't see what good stockpiling RB talent on a hopeless team would do. 
Drafting Bush would do a lot of good:1. Sell tickets and merchandise (the most important thing, mind you)
I would agree with you if we were talking about a Walt Dysney movie. ;) I think it's safe to say that in football, winning is the main thing. Merchandising and ticket sales stem from success on the field. If you lose, you get fired or benched... flat out. For example: How many Texan jersey's will you buy if they go 2-14 next year with Bush running the ball? Or how much would you be willing to spend on season tickets if you knew that the squad would have a great running back but would likely suck for the indefinite future because the team is wasting that RB's talent?
Do you have any idea what the Raider's sell each year?
 
I also voted for the Teaxans to trade down for more picks/players. I think that Bush does have the potential to be another Sayers. If the Texans did draft Bush I think that they would also hang onto DD. Bush isn't an every down back. Look what White did at USC as well. Bush will probably get about 20 touches per game in the NFL including returns. I think that he will be used some at WR too. That is what is so enticing about drafting him. He can do so many different things on the gridiron.That being said, I think the Bush hype will lead to a great trade scenario for the Texans. I think they will receive offers that will be too great to pass up. They aren't just missing one or two peices to a superbowl. They need a lot of help all over the field. If the can trade down and possibly get a couple more picks in the 1st two rounds plus other compensation they can build a better team.

 
A jumble of thoughts;MERCHANDISING:1. Don't merchandise fees go into a pool to be split amongst the teams? I thought it was an even split, so the only way the team gets ahead is to sell stuff at their venue to make profit on the sale.2. If #1 is true, then the only thing that matters to make money is form fannies in the seats, which can buy all sorts of things on game day.TRADING DOWN:3. I'd say RB is a strength because the rest of the positions are so awful: OL: D-, QB: D+, WR: C-, RB: B-, LB/DL/DB: B- to D+4. Given that RB might be the Texans best position and the fact that they stink, I think they make the most improvement by trading down. Realize that they should be able to grab another one of these team's #1 next year, and they should have a shot to have 2 fairly high #1's again.

 
If Houston doesn't get the offer they want, they take Reggie and walk away with the best player in the draft. Playmakers are hard to get.However, if they do trade down, I think they trade down multiple times to stockpile picks ala the Cowboys of old. Not a Texan fan, but I'd try to trade down 2 or 3 times to the middle of the first and grab a couple extra 1's, 2's and 3's. The team has too many holes to fill with just one superstar. Now, if they're on the 3-5 year plan, take Reggie and run.

 

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