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I don't see why he wouldn't be. He's all for teaching kids about different lifestyles. He said so himself.
You seem invested in things being discussed with kids without their parents knowing about it. Very odd.
I’d be totally fine having my kids learn about things I disagree with, in school. Why? Because I trust my kids and I trust my ability to be a parent.
Seriously dude, how do you expect anyone to take you seriously after you quote Hitler talking about The Hitler Youth?
Part of being a parent means that you pay attention to what your child is consuming.
He’s saying it’s that parents call for what their own child gets exposed to. Voting at a school board meeting would be deciding what all kids are exposed to. Not the same.
I haven’t seen any evidence still of kids being sexualized here. But I appreciate your post and thought process overall. Sounds like we have similar parenting styles. I wouldn’t have any issues with my kids meeting men dressed up as women, as part of a school reading project. Dressed as porn stars? Different issue. Maybe I missed the photos that showed people dressed as porn stars. But just men dressed as women? Yeah, kids don’t have issues with that like adults do. Same way that kids don’t have negative associations with race the way some folks do.
not trying to bump my own post, but this question is casually flying under the radar.
But I think this in lies the question:
From what we have been hearing is that "Drag" is an "art form," "way of expression" and above all used as "entertainment"
I may be wrong, but the outfits, make-up, wigs, and overall flamboyance of "the art" is not something that DQ's do to make a run to the grocery store. It is for drag shows and other theatrical focused events. Most DQ's dont live 24/7 drag.
If this "costume" is only for the shows and "entertainment" held at adult focused venues, why would an average 4-6 year old need to be "exposed" and/or "understand" the lifestyle at this age? Why are we not saving this topic for when they are old enough to actually go to the clubs?
Then you have crossdressers who would live or go out in the opposite clothing then their natural gender. CDs are generally less flamboyant and often times can pass for whatever gender they are expressing, basically flying under the radar. A 4-6 year old wouldn't give them a second look let alone think anything about emulating them.
Edit to add: I just did a quick search for "Drag Shows NYC Age requirement" and all of the top hits are a min16 years old or older.
http://www.nycdragshow.com/read-me
18+
21+
18+
2nd edit: man, my search history is bonkers right now...sorry google. If I start getting display ads for drag shows, there is gonna need to be some explaining to do
I don't think very many people truly believe this is a good thing. This is unfortunately a direct result of blue=good, red=bad.
I already asked this. Just in a slightly different way.
Here is my admittedly generous interpretation of what is going on. It's not that the majority of people on that side of the debate believe kids need to be exposed to drag queens specifically, it's that they think it's beneficial to: 1. read to kids, and 2: accept people for what they are, and to expose kids to that idea. Like I said before, I tend to fall less on the idea that this is some nefarious liberal agenda to groom kids (for what, I am still not sure), and more some people in charge had fun at one of these drag events at a library, and invited the group into the schools. My question is more on the lines of - is there really no other groups of people who are willing to come in to read to kids, ffs? Pretty sad if so. Or was there actually multiple options and the person landed on drag queens for the events?
This is nonsense in the context of drag queens in schools. There are already people available to read to kids. Where I live they call these people teachers.
I don't think only teachers should read at that age. It's fun to have different people come in from the community break up the day, and it also show kids that not just teachers and librarians read books. I think it's important, especially at those early stages, to show kids that and doing fun stuff every once in awhile gets their interest up. Also, not all teachers are great at their job or connect with all the kids.
Again, if it is about fostering an interest reading, I could see past it. If it was about reading with a touch of, "I may look different then you, but I am still a fun person" I can see past it.
I am on your side here. My lines about this were twofold: 1. the books and activites, and 2. your other point that this isn't a 24/7 lifestyle, so why did they need to read in drag.
sorry wasn't directing that at you, I know we are generally aligned. I was just adding some context to show that (IMO) its not just about reading or inclusion.
Exactly. For a lot of people it was the double whammy of Drag Queens AND the activities/books read. If my reading of the room is right, it was more about the activities/books and less about the DQ - ie there would be a little less uproar if it was just toned down DQs coming in to read Clifford or Curious George (no, not that type of Curious guys!), but there is still plenty of reasons to ask why it was drag queens to read in the first place.
Always love when race gets equated to a man that chooses to dress like a woman. One of the biggest false equivalencies around. Racism is horrific. Thinking it’s weird for a man to dress like a woman is normal.
I’m not equating it. It’s being used as an illustration of how children think differently than adults. The two aren’t identical.
Pointing out that it is a small amount of money or that it comes from a discretionary fund is the same thing.
We have different experiences with kids evidently. And that’s ok.parasaurolophus said:
