NYJ OC Nathaniel Hackett - New Frontiers In NFL Nepotism (1 Viewer)

[Ackme]

Bill O'Brien to the Patriots; Aaron Rodgers to the Jets?

The Patriots hire Bill O'Brien, Aaron Rodgers/Jets rumors heat up, a look back at the Christian McCaffrey trade, and much more.

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"Aaron Rodgers-to-the-Jets sounds like a cross between a made-for-megaclicks fairytale and a rerun of last offseason's Rodgers -to-the-Broncos fanfic. It appeared that Nathaniel Hackett would be named the Jets offensive coordinator at press time, but we should stop thinking of Hackett as Rodgers ' bosom buddy and think of him instead as a golf caddie with the good sense to smile and nod along to Rodgers sociopolitical braindumps in the name of tips."

 

[Harry Frogfish]

It looks like Evero said no to the interim job.

Current odds for next Bronco coach.

Sean Payton…4-1
Dan Quinn……5-1
Jim Caldwell….6-1

Payton can pick his spot. Would he pick somewhere with such a crippling QB contract?

The Broncos don’t have the draft capital to acquire Payton.

Don't assume the Walton family can't afford Payton.

That wasn’t part of my statement.

But your statement was something to the effect that the Broncos don't have the draft capital to "acquire" Payton.

Um, I'm pretty sure they do, IF they really want him. No matter what Fans or FFer's think, the Broncos can do whatever the F they want now. Whether those moves work out, is another question.

Any non-Bronco fan is hoping this thing takes forever or falls on its face, but there's a jealousy buried underneath it all. It's fun to watch unfold.

Interesting how that worked out...

 

[Harry Frogfish]

Hackett fired.

Was certainly thinking this would be the case when watching their game yesterday. Based on stuff I've been reading over last few weeks I do believe the decision to fire him had been reached awhile ago but they saw no benefit of an in-season firing/interim coach. But that performance yesterday just left them no choice.

Whoever thinks this within that org should be fired next.

It's ownership and I don't agree with you.

If it's Ownership then Denver will be a Bottom 5 team for a long time to come

Hackett fired.

Was certainly thinking this would be the case when watching their game yesterday. Based on stuff I've been reading over last few weeks I do believe the decision to fire him had been reached awhile ago but they saw no benefit of an in-season firing/interim coach. But that performance yesterday just left them no choice.

Whoever thinks this within that org should be fired next.

It's ownership and I don't agree with you.

If it's Ownership then Denver will be a Bottom 5 team for a long time to come.
Ask Miami fans what happens when ineptitude starts at the top and trickles down from ownership.

Start a thread with that proclamation. Please do it.

At a minimum, it will get you the LAM-iMoP award so why not?

 

[Faust]

What can the New York Jets expect from new OC Nathaniel Hackett?

 

[Desert_Power]

Dallas hiring Brian Schottenheimer as OC isn't a new frontier in nepotism, but the same old one that never works.

 

[rockaction]

Goodbye, Nathaniel. I'm sure your nepotistic *** will wind up somewhere else with a high-profile job. That's the nature of this beast.

Awful. Goodbye from the Broncos.

Hello, some other sucker.

This was way, way too prophetic. Et tu, Jets?

Thread title updated.

 

[Chaka]

Is a Football Coaching Theory major available at any universities?

 

[Chaka]

Is a Football Coaching Theory major available at any universities?

It's a sincere question. Coaching football seems more like a trade than anything else and nepotism in trade, or skilled labor for much of our history, has been the norm forever. Heck, it is the path that most families were able to lift themselves out of poverty throughout human history.

Yes, nepotism has also been a barrier to other skilled individuals, but again that leads to my original question:

Where else does one learn to be a coach other than being a player or apprenticing in the trade?

Hackett absolutely got his first NFL job in Tampa because his father was on Gruden's staff. But their careers overlapped for five seasons overall and only two on the same team.

We can say that Aaron Rodgers carried Hackett for three seasons in Green Bay, and it sure didn't hurt but prior to that Hackett did manage to put together a top 5 yardage and scoring offense in Jacksonville with Blake Bortles at QB.

And if Rodgers is such a boon then shouldn't we be equally forgiving when an OC gets saddled with EJ Manuel, Kyle Orton & Thad Lewis like Hackett was in Buffalo?

Just saying that maybe we shouldn't be so quick to treat nepotism as some kind of negative.

 

[rockaction]

It's a sincere question. Coaching football seems more like a trade than anything else and nepotism in trade, or skilled labor for much of our history, has been the norm forever. Heck, it is the path that most families were able to lift themselves out of poverty throughout human history.

I get that you're a bit serious and got what you were getting at, actually.

I'd say this -- just because nepotism was the desired labor norm in a guild setting doesn't make it efficacious or desirable. It doesn't benefit the product necessarily, or the consumer, but is more a byproduct of an economic system designed by labor to survive, which means keeping the supply of potential labor down so that wages don't drop.

In the NFL, we're talking about production and success of the product. Almost any system designed to protect jobs and inflate wages -- and is implemented solely for that reason -- is going to be less than optimal for the product and consumer. Part of the reason the Industrial Revolution happened was due to the smaller scale of the guild economy and rising consumer needs.

 

[Chaka]

It's a sincere question. Coaching football seems more like a trade than anything else and nepotism in trade, or skilled labor for much of our history, has been the norm forever. Heck, it is the path that most families were able to lift themselves out of poverty throughout human history.

I get that you're a bit serious and got what you were getting at, actually.

I'd say this -- just because nepotism was the desired labor norm in a guild setting doesn't make it efficacious or desirable. It doesn't benefit the product necessarily, or the consumer, but is more a byproduct of an economic system designed by labor to survive, which means keeping the supply of potential labor down so that wages don't drop.

In the NFL, we're talking about production and success of the product. Almost any system designed to protect jobs and inflate wages -- and is implemented solely for that reason -- is going to be less than optimal for the product and consumer. Part of the reason the Industrial Revolution happened was due to the smaller scale of the guild economy and rising consumer needs.

Agreed, but that goes to my initial question of what options are there to enter the field of coaching outside of apprenticeship? Are there trade schools for coaching? University degrees? How do you open up the system to more people?

 

[rockaction]

Agreed, but that goes to my initial question of what options are there to enter the field of coaching outside of apprenticeship? Are there trade schools for coaching? University degrees? How do you open up the system to more people?

I don't know. It takes a ton of acumen and a lot of fortitude to make it in the coaching business, at least so I hear. I've always been interested in the topic so I can say that a lot of guys get their start coaching high school and local colleges for essentially free while sleeping on floors and essentially self-teaching. It's a hard gig from what I hear. Some get internships within pro organizations. Others are unpaid at the pro or collegiate level in the coaching ranks and prove themselves to the existing coach at the institution at the time.

I don't really know the circuit tremendously well. I do know Robert Saleh came from a job in finance to start apprenticing in college and later becoming coach of the Jets. Check out how Saleh did it, or his timeline. This is a guy with no nepotism to speak of.

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[Ministry of Pain]

Is a Football Coaching Theory major available at any universities?

It's a sincere question. Coaching football seems more like a trade than anything else and nepotism in trade, or skilled labor for much of our history, has been the norm forever. Heck, it is the path that most families were able to lift themselves out of poverty throughout human history.

Yes, nepotism has also been a barrier to other skilled individuals, but again that leads to my original question:

Where else does one learn to be a coach other than being a player or apprenticing in the trade?

Hackett absolutely got his first NFL job in Tampa because his father was on Gruden's staff. But their careers overlapped for five seasons overall and only two on the same team.

We can say that Aaron Rodgers carried Hackett for three seasons in Green Bay, and it sure didn't hurt but prior to that Hackett did manage to put together a top 5 yardage and scoring offense in Jacksonville with Blake Bortles at QB.

And if Rodgers is such a boon then shouldn't we be equally forgiving when an OC gets saddled with EJ Manuel, Kyle Orton & Thad Lewis like Hackett was in Buffalo?

Just saying that maybe we shouldn't be so quick to treat nepotism as some kind of negative.

"I want to see a negative before I provide you with a positive"

-Tyrell
Blade Runner

-Chaka
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