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*** OFFICIAL *** 13/14 Off-Season Dynasty Trade Thread (2 Viewers)
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loose circuits
Footballguy
I couldn't even get cord for Jordy straight up, nice work
Soulfly3
Footballguy
guy believes he's on the cusp of a league win this year, so I used it against him... he might, but I got a better longterm WR, imo, and a 1st next year that should land me another good player
squistion
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squistion
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Soulfly3
Footballguy
With that username and avatar, I can guarantee you've pulled the fleece more than once, you sly dog!
squistion
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Soulfly3
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Local news (which is probably available nationally as well) is that new OC McAdoo will use the 3 WR set as his base offense, so the Beckham pick may have nothing to do with Randle.
In fact the most recent states the Randle and ODB will play outside, with Cruz in the slot - but when they do move to a 2 WR formation, Cruz will take ODB's slot.
I don't own Randle anywhere, but it's looking like he may be a good buy low option since many people feel Beckham strips him of value - when that may not be the case at all. He did show playmaking ability last season and found the endzone quite a bit. With no TE to speak of, and with being the only main WR over 6' tall, he could be in for a big year, TD wise.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
Cruz also hits an $8M cap number next year, and $10M in '16. They will pay it if he produces, but he'd also be a candidate for salary cap relief if the investment/return ratio is off. Beckham is nothing more to me than a BPA play and I don't think his drafting has anything to do with Randle specifically, rather just focusing on getting the best guy long-term because stuff happens. The state of the passing game today, you can't go into a season with Cruz, Randle, and a bunch of questions like they had. Missed Ebron, took Beckham, pretty simple to me.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
Every time you can turn a 3 into 2/3--you have to do it. Well done, and I also like Teddy.
CBower4545
Footballguy
non-ppr Team A weak at RB, & Team B weak at WR
Team A gave: Patterson, B Tate, 5.11
Team B gave: M Ball, 2.2, 3.2
Team A gave: Patterson, B Tate, 5.11
Team B gave: M Ball, 2.2, 3.2
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I disagree.
He didn't turn a 3 into a 2/3. He turned Bridgewater into a 2/3.
He was fortunate to get TB late in the draft and then flubbed it by getting less than he was worth. All of this is, of course, In My Opinion.
False Start
Footballguy
Looks like Robinson has a hamstring issue already and I liked the deal in Randles favor before but I think its a better deal now.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
Perhaps "every time" is too strong, but Teddy doesn't qualify as an exception to me, personally, despite my liking him as a prospect.
Every draft has fallers. This time next year, there will be somebody on the clock at 2.XX that he will likely value more than 2.XX.
I would agree with you but at the 3.03 Teddy was by far the most valuable player remaining. I didn't (and don't) need a qb but TB was easily the bpa and thought he may be a good trade piece in the future. It just happened sooner than I expected haha. He'll likely be worth much more than a 2nd and 3rd in the future, but to me it made sense to flip him for a quick profit
Andy Dufresne
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Maybe. There are a couple of "it depends" in this scenario - scoring system, who his QB starters are already.
I guess it's a case of "Let's Make A Deal"...do you want what you have or do you want to pick what's behind Door Number One?
I believe that if you think that TB is going to be good, then you keep him. Next year, when/if there's a faller at 2.xx, figure out another way to get it.
Andy Dufresne
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Concept Coop
Footballguy
I see a lot of room for payoff, and not much room for regret. Worst case, the picks are 2.12, 3.12, and you're square. Best case, the picks are 2.01, 3.01, and both picks provide value from the round before. Could be Benjamin (Mason), Teddy--from this class; Allen (Hunter), Reed from the year before.
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I also like the deal.
I would have traded 3.03/TB for a 2nd and a 3rd next year and I like Teddy fine.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
I think I have yet to see a trade involving The Gronk where I did not come down on the side of The Gronk.
Concept Coop
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I just can't get behind this. A future 1st is far too much to give for the 2.06. This has very little to do with our thoughts on Mason as a player, IMO. Any value that Mason offered above and beyond his orignial price (2.06) has been surrendered. Your stance on him being worth a first rounder now has to be right simply to break even.
We've all made these kind of moves to get our guys, myself included. I just don't suggest it as a practice.
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Phenix
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I'm the one who traded away Robinson and feel that with the team I have and the youth I already have at WR, I needed someone who may be a bigger part in an offense this year.
Randle in Nicks old spot is bound to bring some production he is the only person with size at the WR position and that does matter to a three wide offense.
I love Robinson and thats why I drafted him, but I love Randle more and he is being devalued by many because of Beckham and I'm ok with that.
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Andy Dufresne
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But it does for those who drafted him in the first round this year too.
If you believe Mason to be a 1st round talent, it doesn't matter what year the pick comes from.
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Concept Coop
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You're gambling that you'll like Mason more than any one player on the board at 1.XX--at least 6 spots higher than this pick, in a loaded RB class. I don't like those odds.But it does for those who drafted him in the first round this year too.
If you believe Mason to be a 1st round talent, it doesn't matter what year the pick comes from.
On top of that, you're willingly paying double his market value, as dictated by your league. I have a hard time believing that your league let him fall to 2.06, but won't move him for anything less than a first rounder.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
You're right, you're gambling that the talent you're expecting to get in Mason, and get it for an extra year, is worth more to you than the mythical player that you may not even GET next year.Concept Coop said:You're gambling that you'll like Mason more than any one player on the board at 1.XX--at least 6 spots higher than this pick, in a loaded RB class. I don't like those odds.Andy Dufresne said:But it does for those who drafted him in the first round this year too.
If you believe Mason to be a 1st round talent, it doesn't matter what year the pick comes from.
On top of that, you're willingly paying double his market value, as dictated by your league. I have a hard time believing that your league let him fall to 2.06, but won't move him for anything less than a first rounder.
As for the bolded, you know that's not true either. The rule of thumb in just about every league is that a pick in round X this year is approximately worth round x-1 for next year. And, it's not like you have the time to go to every team in the league and get the best deal. You can only deal with the teams that engage you.
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CBower4545
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No Ben TateAdam Harstad said:
CBower4545
Footballguy
The value does seem to be on the B side. I think sometimes it is important to lose on winning value, and make a team better. Winning on value all the time can box you in, and make your team worse. Bonus losing value trades, can make you more approachable to other owners. It can lead to better deals down the line.maxhyde said:
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cstu
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I think 2.6 was too low for Mason. If you believeConcept Coop said:You're gambling that you'll like Mason more than any one player on the board at 1.XX--at least 6 spots higher than this pick, in a loaded RB class. I don't like those odds.Andy Dufresne said:But it does for those who drafted him in the first round this year too.
If you believe Mason to be a 1st round talent, it doesn't matter what year the pick comes from.
On top of that, you're willingly paying double his market value, as dictated by your league. I have a hard time believing that your league let him fall to 2.06, but won't move him for anything less than a first rounder.
As a rule trading future 1st's for mid 2nd's is a mistake but Mason is one of those guys who could pay off.You're right, you're gambling that the talent you're expecting to get in Mason, and get it for an extra year, is worth more to you than the mythical player that you may not even GET next year.Concept Coop said:You're gambling that you'll like Mason more than any one player on the board at 1.XX--at least 6 spots higher than this pick, in a loaded RB class. I don't like those odds.Andy Dufresne said:But it does for those who drafted him in the first round this year too.
If you believe Mason to be a 1st round talent, it doesn't matter what year the pick comes from.
On top of that, you're willingly paying double his market value, as dictated by your league. I have a hard time believing that your league let him fall to 2.06, but won't move him for anything less than a first rounder.
As for the bolded, you know that's not true either. The rule of thumb in just about every league is that a pick in round X this year is approximately worth round x-1 for next year. And, it's not like you have the time to go to every team in the league and get the best deal. You can only deal with the teams that engage you.
That said, I wouldn't do it unless I knew for certain my pick would be 1.12 next year since there look to be 8-10 players in next year's draft I'd want over Mason.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Concept Coop
Footballguy
It's not a mythical player, and you don't get Mason for an extra season.
I don't personally buy into the x-1 concept; +/- one round is a MAJOR variance.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Okay. Unknown player.
And you get Mason now, which if you need a Mason now is a big deal to you.
Sure but always losing value will pretty much decimate your team.
...and once you undersell once the blood in the water will start a feeding frenzy
CBower4545
Footballguy
Concept Coop said:You're gambling that you'll like Mason more than any one player on the board at 1.XX--at least 6 spots higher than this pick, in a loaded RB class. I don't like those odds.Andy Dufresne said:But it does for those who drafted him in the first round this year too.
If you believe Mason to be a 1st round talent, it doesn't matter what year the pick comes from.
I am not sure I do either, but you have to admit there is some amount of value to be added by playing this year vs next. Generically a sophomore player has more value then a rookie player. So some of this comes down to what window your trying to crack. If your team has a window to win now, then that value is greater, if it doesn't it's less.
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CBower4545
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Everyone thinks they are a shark. If you trust your vision, then let them come. Value is very fluid, don't be a slave to it.
**That being said obviously you can't just give everyone away either.
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thriftyrocker
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Is it really that bad though? Ball for Patterson. Tate for 2.2 + 3.2. Both are fair trades. In non-PPR I would actually favor the Ball side a bit as Ball has a little more value in that format. You can turn 2.2 into Benjamin, Latimer, or Adams and 3.2 into Andre Williams or McKinnon.
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Soulfly3
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Good discussion guys.
But like I said, I expect the 1st rounder I gave away last year to win the league... or come very close to it. So the pick should be 1.08-1.10 (10 team league)
I kept another first rounder I made from another deal, which I expect to be 1.03-1.05.
I feel like I made out on a bandit on Mason. I am VERY high on his talent, and especially his situation. I dont care about Stacy. That doesn't bother me.
I didnt have a rnd2 pick... Stacy fell WAY too far, and I knew the next guy was going to get him, if I didnt step in. I tried trading my 1st next year to ALL the guys at 2.01-2.05 and none would take it. I found the guy that did and the last possible second and pulled the trigger.
But like I said, I expect the 1st rounder I gave away last year to win the league... or come very close to it. So the pick should be 1.08-1.10 (10 team league)
I kept another first rounder I made from another deal, which I expect to be 1.03-1.05.
I feel like I made out on a bandit on Mason. I am VERY high on his talent, and especially his situation. I dont care about Stacy. That doesn't bother me.
I didnt have a rnd2 pick... Stacy fell WAY too far, and I knew the next guy was going to get him, if I didnt step in. I tried trading my 1st next year to ALL the guys at 2.01-2.05 and none would take it. I found the guy that did and the last possible second and pulled the trigger.
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