*** OFFICIAL *** 13/14 Off-Season Dynasty Trade Thread (5 Viewers)

[jeaton6]

This went down last night in a 12 team PPR startup

Team A: Ebron, Thompkins

Team B: Gerhart, Maclin

 

[slackjawedyokel]

14 team PPR

J Matthews, M Wheaton

for

Josh Gordon

 

[msudaisy26]

14 team PPR

J Matthews, M Wheaton

for

Josh Gordon

That is the most I would pay for Gordon right now

 

[msudaisy26]

This went down last night in a 12 team PPR startup

Team A: Ebron, Thompkins

Team B: Gerhart, Maclin

I like the Gerhart side but it is close

 

[jeaton6]

14 team PPR

J Matthews, M Wheaton

for

Josh Gordon

That is the most I would pay for Gordon right now

I might pay a little more but most Gordon owners I'm seeing are looking at 90 cents on the dollar. Had a guy shopping him and his minimum ask was Lynch, and a 2015 1 & 2. I told him Lynch' ADP higher than Gordon and Lynch was best I could do and he didn't even bother responding.

 

[Dez]

12 team PPR, 1.25 TE PPR

Foles

for

Gerhart, 1.12, A-Robinson (NYG) TE, 2015 3rd round pick

 

[cstu]

Gave:

Evans, Mike TBB WR

Olsen, Greg CAR TE

Got:

Sankey, Bishop TEN RB

Eifert, Tyler CIN TE

I was extremely deep at WR (Evans was my 7th WR) and weak at RB. Now have Green, Eifert and Ebron at TE, hoping one turns into a stud.

I labored over 2 days I think on this offer. It wasn't as cut and dry for me as it may appear. I do think rosters come into play a lot in this one. I knew he was deep at WR, I was deep at RB (per se), it just took us a while to find the right pieces. Personally, i still believe in Eifert long term....that was my holdup, not Sankey. says the Seattle/UW homer

Eifert was the key to the deal for me. I still believe he can be an elite TE (even if it's not this year). Olsen looks like he's in for the best year of his career (have him #6) but looking ahead I'm hoping Eifert is a stud down the road. I may end up regretting the trade but I was in the position to take a chance.

 

[squistion]

14 team PPR

J Matthews, M Wheaton

for

Josh Gordon

That is the most I would pay for Gordon right now

I might pay a little more but most Gordon owners I'm seeing are looking at 90 cents on the dollar.Had a guy shopping him and his minimum ask was Lynch, and a 2015 1 & 2. I told him Lynch' ADP higher than Gordon and Lynch was best I could do and he didn't even bother responding.

Tell me about it. For some reason, while the Gordon owners want to trade him, they also expect the other party to take all the risk of a suspension but pay only a slightly discounted value of what he was worth before the rumors of the latest troubles emerged. So a trade for them ends up close to a no lose proposition.

 

[slackjawedyokel]

14 team PPR

J Matthews, M Wheaton

for

Josh Gordon

That is the most I would pay for Gordon right now

I might pay a little more but most Gordon owners I'm seeing are looking at 90 cents on the dollar.Had a guy shopping him and his minimum ask was Lynch, and a 2015 1 & 2. I told him Lynch' ADP higher than Gordon and Lynch was best I could do and he didn't even bother responding.

Tell me about it. For some reason, while the Gordon owners want to trade him, they also expect the other party to take all the risk of a suspension but pay only a slightly discounted value of what he was worth before the rumors of the latest troubles emerged. So a trade for them ends up close to a no lose proposition.

I was one to trade Gordon away here, and I feel all things considered, it's pretty fair for both teams. I was really short on WRs as well.

 

[squistion]

14 team PPR

J Matthews, M Wheaton

for

Josh Gordon

That is the most I would pay for Gordon right now

I might pay a little more but most Gordon owners I'm seeing are looking at 90 cents on the dollar.Had a guy shopping him and his minimum ask was Lynch, and a 2015 1 & 2. I told him Lynch' ADP higher than Gordon and Lynch was best I could do and he didn't even bother responding.

Tell me about it. For some reason, while the Gordon owners want to trade him, they also expect the other party to take all the risk of a suspension but pay only a slightly discounted value of what he was worth before the rumors of the latest troubles emerged. So a trade for them ends up close to a no lose proposition.

I was one to trade Gordon away here, and I feel all things considered, it's pretty fair for both teams. I was really short on WRs as well.

I will agree with that. My comment was directed to a tangent discussion about Gordon owners in general, rather than the above trade.

 

[slackjawedyokel]

14 team PPR

J Matthews, M Wheaton

for

Josh Gordon

That is the most I would pay for Gordon right now

I might pay a little more but most Gordon owners I'm seeing are looking at 90 cents on the dollar.Had a guy shopping him and his minimum ask was Lynch, and a 2015 1 & 2. I told him Lynch' ADP higher than Gordon and Lynch was best I could do and he didn't even bother responding.

Tell me about it. For some reason, while the Gordon owners want to trade him, they also expect the other party to take all the risk of a suspension but pay only a slightly discounted value of what he was worth before the rumors of the latest troubles emerged. So a trade for them ends up close to a no lose proposition.

I was one to trade Gordon away here, and I feel all things considered, it's pretty fair for both teams. I was really short on WRs as well.

I will agree with that. My comment was directed to a tangent discussion about Gordon owners in general, rather than the above trade.

Correct. He's one of the toughest values to pinpoint and owners struggle to give away the upside. Buyers want upside but don't want to give up more stable players. Makes it hard for two sides to meet. Similar trade problem with Christine Michael...

 

[FUBAR]

Quite a few trades in the last week in a new 32 team salary cap ($100) IDP league, divided into conferences (consider as 2 separate 16 team leagues with cross-over Super Bowl)

Star Lotulelei ($0.50), 2015 2nd and 4th

for

Calais Campbell ($3.40)

Desean Jackson ($7.00), Robert Mathis ($1.10)

for

Hakeem Nicks ($4.20), Ryan Kerrigan ($0.50), 2015 1st

2015 3rd

for

Geno Smith ($1.00)

Shane Vereen ($7.00), Koa Misi ($3.50), 2015 4th

for

Christine Michael ($3.20), Jon Bostic, ($2.90) 2015 2nd

Jarvis Landry ($0.50)

for

2015 2nd

Dannell Ellerbe ($0.60), 2015 1st, 2nd

for

Jeremy Gallon ($0.50), 2015 1st

Brandon Spikes ($1.70)

for

2015 1st

Lamar Miller ($1.80), Aaron Dobson ($2.70), Navarro Bowman ($7.60), 2015 3rd, 4th

for

Alshon Jeffery ($12.40), 2015 1st round rookie

Khalil Mack ($5.10)

for

Telvin Smith ($2.30), 2015 1st

 

[FUBAR]

12 team PPR, 1.25 TE PPR

Foles

for

Gerhart, 1.12, A-Robinson (NYG) TE, 2015 3rd round pick

I'd take Foles but the trade is fair.

 

[FUBAR]

I mean, if you were allowed to assemble Julio, Jeffery, Cobb, Hopkins, Floyd and Watkins on one squad, you're probably going to win that league in your sleep anyway. What are the other owners doing?

EDIT - oh, and Evans too

I don't get it. There are teams in all my leagues with similar WR corps. It's very possible, and I've seen many better, too.

In one of my leagues alone there are WR corps of Calvin / Dez / Cobb, AJG / Julio / Crabtree, and Gordon / Jeffrey / Allen / Roddy / Decker. The group above is strong, certainly, but nothing at all out of the ordinary.

I'd say the first one is completely out of the ordinary. Could he not get DT as well?

Those are two seperate teams -- / = same team, and , seperates them. Oddly enough, I won that league going away last year with crappy WRs outside of Brandon Marshall, due to Charles, McCoy, and Matthews at RB.

That's the thing about different leagues. If the scoring is favorable and you can start 3 RBs, stud WRs lose some of their value for the short term. Still a VERY nice core to work with.

 

[Kree]

Quite a few trades in the last week in a new 32 team salary cap ($100) IDP league, divided into conferences (consider as 2 separate 16 team leagues with cross-over Super Bowl)

Shane Vereen ($7.00), Koa Misi ($3.50), 2015 4th

for

Christine Michael ($3.20), Jon Bostic, ($2.90) 2015 2nd

Not quite getting this one, assuming you were half honest about expected playing time for a guy like Michael. Mainly the addition of the 2nd I suppose...

Don't really like Vereen as a reliable fantasy producer though.

 

[FUBAR]

Quite a few trades in the last week in a new 32 team salary cap ($100) IDP league, divided into conferences (consider as 2 separate 16 team leagues with cross-over Super Bowl)

Shane Vereen ($7.00), Koa Misi ($3.50), 2015 4th

for

Christine Michael ($3.20), Jon Bostic, ($2.90) 2015 2nd

Not quite getting this one, assuming you were half honest about expected playing time for a guy like Michael. Mainly the addition of the 2nd I suppose...Don't really like Vereen as a reliable fantasy producer though.

"Assuming I was half honest"? No idea what you mean here. Not my trade and I don't own Michael in any league.

 

[Kree]

Quite a few trades in the last week in a new 32 team salary cap ($100) IDP league, divided into conferences (consider as 2 separate 16 team leagues with cross-over Super Bowl)

Shane Vereen ($7.00), Koa Misi ($3.50), 2015 4th

for

Christine Michael ($3.20), Jon Bostic, ($2.90) 2015 2nd

Not quite getting this one, assuming you were half honest about expected playing time for a guy like Michael. Mainly the addition of the 2nd I suppose...Don't really like Vereen as a reliable fantasy producer though.

"Assuming I was half honest"? No idea what you mean here. Not my trade and I don't own Michael in any league.

I meant it in the sense that you adopt the perspective of whoever made the trade, not necessarily you in particular FUBAR.

Add in Vereen's additional cost.

 

[FUBAR]

Quite a few trades in the last week in a new 32 team salary cap ($100) IDP league, divided into conferences (consider as 2 separate 16 team leagues with cross-over Super Bowl)

Shane Vereen ($7.00), Koa Misi ($3.50), 2015 4th

for

Christine Michael ($3.20), Jon Bostic, ($2.90) 2015 2nd

Not quite getting this one, assuming you were half honest about expected playing time for a guy like Michael. Mainly the addition of the 2nd I suppose...Don't really like Vereen as a reliable fantasy producer though.

"Assuming I was half honest"? No idea what you mean here. Not my trade and I don't own Michael in any league.

I meant it in the sense that you adopt the perspective of whoever made the trade, not necessarily you in particular FUBAR.Add in Vereen's additional cost.

Ahh gotcha. Agreed that I'd take Michael over vereen at those prices.

This was the other conference than I'm in, Michael went for more on our side.

Add in that the auction was just a week or two before these trades.

 

[Gottabesweet]

Sent 1.4 for 1.6 and 2.12 while on the clock

He took Sankey

then sent 1.6 for Keenan Allen, He took Hyde needed a back bad.

 

[jeaton6]

Sent 1.4 for 1.6 and 2.12 while on the clock

He took Sankey

then sent 1.6 for Keenan Allen, He took Hyde needed a back bad.

Worked out great for you. Nice.

 

[Gottabesweet]

same league. 1.5 was traded for 1.9 and 3.2

Ebron at 1.5 was picked

1.9 hasnt picked yet

 

[msudaisy26]

12 team PPR, 1.25 TE PPR

Foles

for

Gerhart, 1.12, A-Robinson (NYG) TE, 2015 3rd round pick

I am not sure why but it just feels like an overpay for Foles.

 

[msudaisy26]

Sent 1.4 for 1.6 and 2.12 while on the clock

He took Sankey

then sent 1.6 for Keenan Allen, He took Hyde needed a back bad.

Robbery

 

[FUBAR]

Sent 1.4 for 1.6 and 2.12 while on the clock

He took Sankey

then sent 1.6 for Keenan Allen, He took Hyde needed a back bad.

Both steals but the Allen deal is brutal

 

[Dez]

12 team PPR, 1.25 TE PPR

Foles

for

Gerhart, 1.12, A-Robinson (NYG) TE, 2015 3rd round pick

I am not sure why but it just feels like an overpay for Foles.

Because it is an overpay but this league is stupid about QBs and want the world for them and I needed one really bad

 

[Adam Harstad]

Sent 1.4 for 1.6 and 2.12 while on the clock

He took Sankey

then sent 1.6 for Keenan Allen, He took Hyde needed a back bad.

Both steals but the Allen deal is brutal

That first deal seems way too cheap for a trade back. But since 1.06 turned into Allen, it doesn't really matter.

 

[cstu]

12 team PPR, 1.25 TE PPR

Foles

for

Gerhart, 1.12, A-Robinson (NYG) TE, 2015 3rd round pick

I am not sure why but it just feels like an overpay for Foles.

Because it is an overpay but this league is stupid about QBs and want the world for them and I needed one really bad

I don't see it as an overpay at all. If Foles puts up a season in or near the top 5 this year then he becomes untouchable.

 

[Tibereas]

Gave M. Colston and got D.Bowe.

 

[FUBAR]

Sent 1.4 for 1.6 and 2.12 while on the clock

He took Sankey

then sent 1.6 for Keenan Allen, He took Hyde needed a back bad.

Both steals but the Allen deal is brutal

That first deal seems way too cheap for a trade back. But since 1.06 turned into Allen, it doesn't really matter.

Disagree but I'm used to playing in idp so the #24 pick has good value this year.

 

[loose circuits]

Gave M. Colston and got D.Bowe.

why?

 

[Tibereas]

Gave M. Colston and got D.Bowe.

why?

Good question. Think I offered it because I wanted to buy a couple extra years and for some reason I think he's going to put up solid WR 3/ Flex points in Andy Reeds offense. More of a gut feeling than anything.

 

[msudaisy26]

12 team PPR, 1.25 TE PPR

Foles

for

Gerhart, 1.12, A-Robinson (NYG) TE, 2015 3rd round pick

I am not sure why but it just feels like an overpay for Foles.

Because it is an overpay but this league is stupid about QBs and want the world for them and I needed one really bad

I don't see it as an overpay at all. If Foles puts up a season in or near the top 5 this year then he becomes untouchable.

If Gerhart goes for 1800 total yards and 10 plus touchdowns, if the 1.12 turns into receiver then that has an Allen type year. I will also disagree with him being untouchable in a start 1 qb league no quarterback is untouchable.

 

[slackjawedyokel]

I actually offered McCoy to other teams (I'm deep at RB and shallow at WR in that league) and not only was rejected but not even a counter... This from 6 to 7 teams. Odd that there would be so little interest. One offer was McCoy for Julio and a late 1st. When we say untouchable, it's more accurate to say "priced out" or "overvalued'.

 

[jeaton6]

I actually offered McCoy to other teams (I'm deep at RB and shallow at WR in that league) and not only was rejected but not even a counter... This from 6 to 7 teams. Odd that there would be so little interest. One offer was McCoy for Julio and a late 1st. When we say untouchable, it's more accurate to say "priced out" or "overvalued'.

If you really want to move McCoy I would think a straight up deal for one of the big 5 WRs is the best you will do IF those teams are RB needy.

 

[Soulfly3]

I actually offered McCoy to other teams (I'm deep at RB and shallow at WR in that league) and not only was rejected but not even a counter... This from 6 to 7 teams. Odd that there would be so little interest. One offer was McCoy for Julio and a late 1st. When we say untouchable, it's more accurate to say "priced out" or "overvalued'.

am I reading this wrong, or did you turn down Julio and a 1st for McCoy?

Furreal?

 

[msudaisy26]

I actually offered McCoy to other teams (I'm deep at RB and shallow at WR in that league) and not only was rejected but not even a counter... This from 6 to 7 teams. Odd that there would be so little interest. One offer was McCoy for Julio and a late 1st. When we say untouchable, it's more accurate to say "priced out" or "overvalued'.

am I reading this wrong, or did you turn down Julio and a 1st for McCoy?

Furreal?

I think he offered McCoy for that.

Also I wouldn't even say over valued. In a 1 qb league I would trade A guy like Luck for Antonio Brown in a heart beat.

 

[JohnW1970]

Acquired Josh Gordon in two different salary cap leagues today. Both same rules 14 team PPR and start 3 to 5 WR's. It is a 400 cap in both leagues and Gordon had a salary of 50 in both leagues.

I gave the 2.10 in one league and the 2.11 in the other for him, was owned by the same owner in both leagues as well. Second round picks come with a salary of 2. I had plenty of salary cap room for the move and can drop him if need be and only have a 17 penalty for the year. Figured it was worth it at that price just in case the suspension comes out less than 8 games.

 

[4on6]

10 team, standard scoring (non PPR):

A.Foster + 1.4 for L.McCoy.

 

[slackjawedyokel]

I actually offered McCoy to other teams (I'm deep at RB and shallow at WR in that league) and not only was rejected but not even a counter... This from 6 to 7 teams. Odd that there would be so little interest. One offer was McCoy for Julio and a late 1st. When we say untouchable, it's more accurate to say "priced out" or "overvalued'.

am I reading this wrong, or did you turn down Julio and a 1st for McCoy?

Furreal?

I think he offered McCoy for that.

Also I wouldn't even say over valued. In a 1 qb league I would trade A guy like Luck for Antonio Brown in a heart beat.

Yes, I offered McCoy to other owners for some of the top WR's. Just no interest. It was most bizarre to not even get counters... as if McCoy is damaged goods or something.

 

[Soulfly3]

I actually offered McCoy to other teams (I'm deep at RB and shallow at WR in that league) and not only was rejected but not even a counter... This from 6 to 7 teams. Odd that there would be so little interest. One offer was McCoy for Julio and a late 1st. When we say untouchable, it's more accurate to say "priced out" or "overvalued'.

am I reading this wrong, or did you turn down Julio and a 1st for McCoy?

Furreal?

I think he offered McCoy for that.

Also I wouldn't even say over valued. In a 1 qb league I would trade A guy like Luck for Antonio Brown in a heart beat.

Yes, I offered McCoy to other owners for some of the top WR's. Just no interest. It was most bizarre to not even get counters... as if McCoy is damaged goods or something.

to be fair, I wouldnt give you ANY top WR for for mccoy (let along julio + a first). especially in PPR.

I mean... the guy isnt old, but how much top production years you expecting from him? WRs just have a much longer shelf life.. and I can get same/similar production for a longer period of time, then why would I make that trade?

probably why you arent getting bites

 

[jeaton6]

I actually offered McCoy to other teams (I'm deep at RB and shallow at WR in that league) and not only was rejected but not even a counter... This from 6 to 7 teams. Odd that there would be so little interest. One offer was McCoy for Julio and a late 1st. When we say untouchable, it's more accurate to say "priced out" or "overvalued'.

am I reading this wrong, or did you turn down Julio and a 1st for McCoy?

Furreal?

I think he offered McCoy for that.Also I wouldn't even say over valued. In a 1 qb league I would trade A guy like Luck for Antonio Brown in a heart beat.

Yes, I offered McCoy to other owners for some of the top WR's. Just no interest. It was most bizarre to not even get counters... as if McCoy is damaged goods or something.

to be fair, I wouldnt give you ANY top WR for for mccoy (let along julio + a first). especially in PPR.

I mean... the guy isnt old, but how much top production years you expecting from him? WRs just have a much longer shelf life.. and I can get same/similar production for a longer period of time, then why would I make that trade?

probably why you arent getting bites

Well I mean yeah you could get similar production for longer period but RB is significantly more shallow than WR so that production at RB is more valuable than the WR production in the near term. McCoy's near term VBD destroys every receiver not named Calvin. His startup ADP is higher than 3 of the big 5 so startup owners value him higher than some of those top guys. I think the extra 2015 1st is what is probably turning them off or they just don't have the RB need.

 

[maxhyde]

Sent 1.4 for 1.6 and 2.12 while on the clock

He took Sankey

then sent 1.6 for Keenan Allen, He took Hyde needed a back bad.

Robbery

Agreed

 

[Adam Harstad]

10 team, standard scoring (non PPR):

A.Foster + 1.4 for L.McCoy.

Oof, McCoy by a lot.

 

[maxhyde]

to be fair, I wouldnt give you ANY top WR for for mccoy (let along julio + a first). especially in PPR.I mean... the guy isnt old, but how much top production years you expecting from him? WRs just have a much longer shelf life.. and I can get same/similar production for a longer period of time, then why would I make that trade?

probably why you arent getting bites

Well I mean yeah you could get similar production for longer period but RB is significantly more shallow than WR so that production at RB is more valuable than the WR production in the near term. McCoy's near term VBD destroys every receiver not named Calvin. His startup ADP is higher than 3 of the big 5 so startup owners value him higher than some of those top guys. I think the extra 2015 1st is what is probably turning them off or they just don't have the RB need.

Well no matter how you look at it a top 5 WR is worth more than McCoy to most owners. So to ask for a top 5 + a 1st is pretty much a non-starter.

My advice would be to offer the deal straight up if you want a counter. If somebody offered the deal to me for my top5Wr with a 1st I would assume I just couldn't afford McCoy at the cost of a top5WR +. If I thought the other owner would be willing to do McCoy+ for my top 5 WR I might think about it but that initial offer would make me think that isn't the case

 

[maxhyde]

10 team, standard scoring (non PPR):

A.Foster + 1.4 for L.McCoy.

Oof, McCoy by a lot.

Yeah that one is pretty tough to swallow in a nonPPR league

 

[slackjawedyokel]

to be fair, I wouldnt give you ANY top WR for for mccoy (let along julio + a first). especially in PPR.I mean... the guy isnt old, but how much top production years you expecting from him? WRs just have a much longer shelf life.. and I can get same/similar production for a longer period of time, then why would I make that trade?

probably why you arent getting bites

Well I mean yeah you could get similar production for longer period but RB is significantly more shallow than WR so that production at RB is more valuable than the WR production in the near term. McCoy's near term VBD destroys every receiver not named Calvin. His startup ADP is higher than 3 of the big 5 so startup owners value him higher than some of those top guys. I think the extra 2015 1st is what is probably turning them off or they just don't have the RB need.

Well no matter how you look at it a top 5 WR is worth more than McCoy to most owners. So to ask for a top 5 + a 1st is pretty much a non-starter.

My advice would be to offer the deal straight up if you want a counter. If somebody offered the deal to me for my top5Wr with a 1st I would assume I just couldn't afford McCoy at the cost of a top5WR +. If I thought the other owner would be willing to do McCoy+ for my top 5 WR I might think about it but that initial offer would make me think that isn't the case

Fair enough. There's some psychology in there from the receiving end I guess. I might just have McCoy higher in my valuation, despite having a slightly shorter window of life. Last year, McCoy scored about 40 points more than Gordon (#1 WR in that scoring, as most).

While on the topic, I acquired McCoy in another league (PPR, 16-team) for Stacy and Gordon.

 

[slackjawedyokel]

10 team, standard scoring (non PPR):

A.Foster + 1.4 for L.McCoy.

Oof, McCoy by a lot.

Yeah that one is pretty tough to swallow in a nonPPR league

I wonder who they are wanting at the 1.4?

 

[GoodLloydHaveMercy]

Sent 1.4 for 1.6 and 2.12 while on the clock

He took Sankey

then sent 1.6 for Keenan Allen, He took Hyde needed a back bad.

Both steals but the Allen deal is brutal

That first deal seems way too cheap for a trade back. But since 1.06 turned into Allen, it doesn't really matter.

What would be viewed as better value in a trade back... I'm sitting with 1.5 & 1.6 and looking to stockpile picks but I don't have any clue how to gauge fair value for trading back in non ppr no idp

 

[cstu]

Sent 1.4 for 1.6 and 2.12 while on the clock

He took Sankey

then sent 1.6 for Keenan Allen, He took Hyde needed a back bad.

Both steals but the Allen deal is brutal

That first deal seems way too cheap for a trade back. But since 1.06 turned into Allen, it doesn't really matter.

What would be viewed as better value in a trade back... I'm sitting with 1.5 & 1.6 and looking to stockpile picks but I don't have any clue how to gauge fair value for trading back in non ppr no idp

After the first 2 picks it's tough to get much value out of a trade back this year. For a couple of spots in the first you're probably only going to get a 2nd. However, 2nd's are worth a lot this year so it's not that bad.

 

[cstu]

10 team, standard scoring (non PPR):

A.Foster + 1.4 for L.McCoy.

Oof, McCoy by a lot.

Yeah that one is pretty tough to swallow in a nonPPR league

I wonder who they are wanting at the 1.4?

I don't play non PPR, but probably Hyde.