What's new
Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums

This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

*** OFFICIAL *** 13/14 Off-Season Dynasty Trade Thread (2 Viewers)

Made Three Trades Today

First

Gave : Cam Newton, Devonte Freeman, 2.06 redraft not rookie

Got: Matt stafford and Trent Richardson

Second

Gave: first rounder 2015 rookie, Trent Richardson, Kenbral Thompkins

Got: Third rounder 2015 rookie, Monte Ball, Marquise Colston

Third

Gave: Arian Foster

Got: Michael Crabtree

How did I Do?
First one is impossible to judge without knowing who is available in your redraft. Looks pretty even though.

Like the 2nd trade. Two pretty big upgrades in Richardson to Ball and Thompkins to Colston in exchange for the future 1st rounder.

Like the 3rd trade even though I don't really love either player. Feels like this is maybe the last year for Foster and Crabtree should have plenty of solid years left.

 
Got to value the proven talent of KW over all the rookies this year except maybe the top three. There's just to much risk of these youngsters busting.

 
Three trades during a rookie draft last week (12 devys per year are taken during the rookie draft):

Gave: 1.09 (D. Adams), 3.12 (J. Landry)

For: 1.05 (K. Benjamin)

Gave: 3.08 (OJ Howard), 2015 1st (late), 2015 2nd (mid)

For: 2.06 (C. Latimer), 2.07 (Derrick Henry), 2015 3rd

Gave: 3.04 (Devante Parker), 3.08 (B. Bortles)

For: 3.02 (Jaelen Strong), 3.12 (J. Landry)

-I have a strong top 3 at WR but not much after that so adding an instant impact WR4 like Benjamin was my #1 goal in the draft. Latimer and Landry could potentially help right away too and add instant depth at WR. The 2nd trade was all about grabbing a sliding Latimer. Added 3 devys (Henry, Strong and Mike Davis) to stockpile for the future and compensate for not having a first in 2015.

 
Got to value the proven talent of KW over all the rookies this year except maybe the top three. There's just to much risk of these youngsters busting.
It's close and depends upon the roster. I think a few of the rookies have a higher ceiling than Wright (specifically more TD potential), so there is a risk/reward.

It is also roster dependent. If I had a strong top 3 or 4 at WR, I'd gamble on the upside of Benjamin, Matthews or Latimer over Wright. If I was a contender and counting on Wright as one of my top 3, then I think you are right that there is too much risk in the rookies.

 
16tm TE PPR Prem w/ Ret Yards (0.1PR, 0.05KR) & 5IDP (tackle heavy)

1QB 2RB 2WR 1TE 2OFlex 1DL 2LB 1DB 1DFlex

Gave: Latimer, Kelce, Paul Richardson, '15 4th

Got: Cobb, '15 2nd & 3rd then picked up Rivera (was dropped to make space for trade ) & Corey Washington off WW
Giving this a bump since it didn't get any responses..

It's the first year of the league. It's actually a 32 team league w/ double copies of players. Each owner picked an NFL team and kept 3 players from the roster and drafted w/ the remaining player pools.

In the startup, I drafted Latimer in the 8th (176), Richardson in the 14th (272), and Kelce in the 15th (273). Cobb was one of the 3 players kept by the original owner.

The picks exchanged will probably both be mid-late round picks.

 
Got to value the proven talent of KW over all the rookies this year except maybe the top three. There's just to much risk of these youngsters busting.
And there's risk of Wright not breaking 80/900 and being basically what Cecil Shorts is. Valuewise, it's much safer to invest in someone like Adams whose upside isn't questioned. Most of Wright's points came with QBs no longer in Tenn. He's the perfect guy for Fitzpatrick, not Locker. There's a ton of WRs I'd happily downgrade Wright to. Wright is far from a safe investment, and if you're blindly looking at ADP he's way overvalued.

 
12-team PPR Dynasty, start 1/2/3/1/flex

Team A gave: Kendall Wright

Team B gave: Pick 1.09

Pick 1.09 was on the clock, and was immediately used to draft Cody Latimer.
1.9 > Wright > Latimer
Out of curiosity, who are your nine rookies who are more valuable than both Wright and Latimer?
I took Benjamin 3 times this summer and they were all 1.9 or later. There's 7 that are clearly better for me - Watkins, Evans, Cooks, Matthews, Benjamin, Sankey, Hyde. There are about 6 more that are similar quality that I'd still prefer - Hill, Lee, Adams, Ebron, Andre Williams. Williams is tough in this format but I still expect him to be more valuable at some point. You've got a couple more RBs that are worth the stab if you have the WR to spare - Freeman, West. I don't dislike Latimer but I view Adams and Lee as similar quality with better opportunity. I don't dislike KW I just focus on upside at WR perhaps sometimes to a fault.
The seven guys you'd clearly prefer were the first seven players selected. (ODB was the 8th.)

I'd take Latimer over the rest of the guys you mentioned except for Ebron, who would be a tossup based on scoring system and team needs. I actually tried trading up from 2.01 to 1.09 for Latimer, but my offer was nowhere near competitive with the Kendall Wright offer, so of course I came up short.

 
Not one of my teams but in my 12 team PPR dynasty league today

Team A gets: Justin Hunter, Cooks, J. Bell, A. Williams

Team B gets: L. Bell, Evans, Golden Tate, Donald Brown
I like team B a little better but it's pretty close. Depends how much you like Justin Hunter and how many WR can be started. L. Bell is the best player in the deal but that could easily change by next year and Cooks could be the best player in the deal.
Or Evans could be. I'm not a huge Evans fan, and do like Cooks a lot, but I think Evans is the clear 1.02 in rookie drafts.

Value wise I look at that trade like this.

Evans/Donald Brown => Cooks/Andre Williams

Golden Tate >>> Joique

Le'Veon >>> Hunter.

I'm also a Hunter fan and not really a Le'Veon fan, but Le'Veon's value, start up wise is a good four rounds ahead of Hunter's.

 
Got to value the proven talent of KW over all the rookies this year except maybe the top three. There's just to much risk of these youngsters busting.
And there's risk of Wright not breaking 80/900 and being basically what Cecil Shorts is. Valuewise, it's much safer to invest in someone like Adams whose upside isn't questioned. Most of Wright's points came with QBs no longer in Tenn. He's the perfect guy for Fitzpatrick, not Locker. There's a ton of WRs I'd happily downgrade Wright to. Wright is far from a safe investment, and if you're blindly looking at ADP he's way overvalued.
While I somewhat disagree with saying the Wright is far from a safe investment, I do think his value is pretty capped. Two years ago he was going anywhere near 1.08-2.02 if I had to guess in rookie drafts. I still think his value is roughly the same. He's got a way higher floor than the rookies at that spot, but I'd rather gamble on the upside of the Kelvin Benjamin, Latimer, Davante Adams, Marqise Lee, and Allen Robinson. Especially if I have some a solid WR core at 1-3.

 
Team A Gave: Ladarius Green

Team B Gave: Dennis Pitta, 2015 2nd rounder (likely playoff team so likely early)

I love Green's potential, but felt this was great value. I have Graham, so I have a few years to develop a TE.

 
Not one of my teams but in my 12 team PPR dynasty league today

Team A gets: Justin Hunter, Cooks, J. Bell, A. Williams

Team B gets: L. Bell, Evans, Golden Tate, Donald Brown
I like team B a little better but it's pretty close. Depends how much you like Justin Hunter and how many WR can be started. L. Bell is the best player in the deal but that could easily change by next year and Cooks could be the best player in the deal.
Or Evans could be. I'm not a huge Evans fan, and do like Cooks a lot, but I think Evans is the clear 1.02 in rookie drafts.

Value wise I look at that trade like this.

Evans/Donald Brown => Cooks/Andre Williams

Golden Tate >>> Joique

Le'Veon >>> Hunter.

I'm also a Hunter fan and not really a Le'Veon fan, but Le'Veon's value, start up wise is a good four rounds ahead of Hunter's.
Nice post. I know it's not popular on this site and I do take their rankings into consideration when I'm ranking rookies but I have Cooks>Evans in PPR. Evans certainly has more upside but keep in mind his biggest advantage should be in the red zone and Tampa also added a red zone monster in ASJ. That's certainly going to cut into Evans targets in that area of the field. Evans is the riskier pick of the two because there is a lot of mouths to feed and they could run a good amount of scores in with Martin as well. Cooks is walking into the perfect situation. Elite QB + Elite offense + aging WR1 on the roster + Can't double him because of Jimmy. I'm a big Andre Williams fan as well. What tips the scales in favor of team B for me is Le'Veon Bell. He's going to be the Steelers bell cow for 5 years.

Evans/ Brown<<Cooks/Williams

Tate>>> Joique

Le'Veon Bell>>>Hunter

 
Team A Gave: Ladarius Green

Team B Gave: Dennis Pitta, 2015 2nd rounder (likely playoff team so likely early)

I love Green's potential, but felt this was great value. I have Graham, so I have a few years to develop a TE.
I could see this if you desperately needed a starter, maybe, but I'd much rather roster swing for the fences upside in my backup TE spots. Considering you already have Graham, I'm not a fan of this move at all.

 
Got to value the proven talent of KW over all the rookies this year except maybe the top three. There's just to much risk of these youngsters busting.
And there's risk of Wright not breaking 80/900 and being basically what Cecil Shorts is. Valuewise, it's much safer to invest in someone like Adams whose upside isn't questioned. Most of Wright's points came with QBs no longer in Tenn. He's the perfect guy for Fitzpatrick, not Locker. There's a ton of WRs I'd happily downgrade Wright to. Wright is far from a safe investment, and if you're blindly looking at ADP he's way overvalued.
While I somewhat disagree with saying the Wright is far from a safe investment, I do think his value is pretty capped. Two years ago he was going anywhere near 1.08-2.02 if I had to guess in rookie drafts. I still think his value is roughly the same. He's got a way higher floor than the rookies at that spot, but I'd rather gamble on the upside of the Kelvin Benjamin, Latimer, Davante Adams, Marqise Lee, and Allen Robinson. Especially if I have some a solid WR core at 1-3.
KW is only capped by his QB right now. The new offense they are putting in is going to increase his deep targets a little. I got him at 100 receptions, 1150 yards, and 5-6 TD's this year. Which will put him at WR15ish I traded for KW last week so I'm could be biased and I recognize that. I have had mixed reviews on the trade but a couple of things to note. I feel KW is only going to get better moving forward. That league I'm in has short benches so you can only hold/wait for one or two rookies to develop. I already have Cooks and ASJ on that team so holding another rookie WR that could take literally 3 years to develop would have been extremely difficult.

At this point I would rank those second tier WR listed in this order. Latimer> Adams> Robinson> >Benjamin>>>Lee. KW's proven production is above all of them. Non of those WR are going in you starting line up this year or next maybe besides Benjamin. We are not even factoring in bust rates for these guys yet. None of those guys are a lock to have a 1000 yard receiving season or anywhere close to 100 receptions.

 
Team A Gave: Ladarius Green

Team B Gave: Dennis Pitta, 2015 2nd rounder (likely playoff team so likely early)

I love Green's potential, but felt this was great value. I have Graham, so I have a few years to develop a TE.
I could see this if you desperately needed a starter, maybe, but I'd much rather roster swing for the fences upside in my backup TE spots. Considering you already have Graham, I'm not a fan of this move at all.
I can agree with your point of view. One thing I forgot to mention though is this league is not a complete dynasty, we keep 10 players, and I could not keep Green. TE's are rarely kept in our league so it is likely I can draft a Ertz, Eifert, Ebron type TE as a backup.............

 
Team A Gave: Ladarius Green

Team B Gave: Dennis Pitta, 2015 2nd rounder (likely playoff team so likely early)

I love Green's potential, but felt this was great value. I have Graham, so I have a few years to develop a TE.
I could see this if you desperately needed a starter, maybe, but I'd much rather roster swing for the fences upside in my backup TE spots. Considering you already have Graham, I'm not a fan of this move at all.
I can agree with your point of view. One thing I forgot to mention though is this league is not a complete dynasty, we keep 10 players, and I could not keep Green. TE's are rarely kept in our league so it is likely I can draft a Ertz, Eifert, Ebron type TE as a backup.............
In that case an early 2nd is probably worth as much or more than almost any backup TE -- much better move given that format IMO.

 
Got to value the proven talent of KW over all the rookies this year except maybe the top three. There's just to much risk of these youngsters busting.
And there's risk of Wright not breaking 80/900 and being basically what Cecil Shorts is. Valuewise, it's much safer to invest in someone like Adams whose upside isn't questioned. Most of Wright's points came with QBs no longer in Tenn. He's the perfect guy for Fitzpatrick, not Locker. There's a ton of WRs I'd happily downgrade Wright to. Wright is far from a safe investment, and if you're blindly looking at ADP he's way overvalued.
Agreed. I don't necessarily dislike Kendall Wright but there's a lot of potential for him to go the way of Eddie Royal - bursting on the scene as a volume WR in ppr leagues but lacking real substances behind those receptions.

 
Nice post. I know it's not popular on this site and I do take their rankings into consideration when I'm ranking rookies but I have Cooks>Evans in PPR.
Not that unpopular, either. Cooks went over Evans in a staff dynasty league. :)

 
Last edited by a moderator:
Got to value the proven talent of KW over all the rookies this year except maybe the top three. There's just to much risk of these youngsters busting.
And there's risk of Wright not breaking 80/900 and being basically what Cecil Shorts is. Valuewise, it's much safer to invest in someone like Adams whose upside isn't questioned. Most of Wright's points came with QBs no longer in Tenn. He's the perfect guy for Fitzpatrick, not Locker. There's a ton of WRs I'd happily downgrade Wright to. Wright is far from a safe investment, and if you're blindly looking at ADP he's way overvalued.
Agreed. I don't necessarily dislike Kendall Wright but there's a lot of potential for him to go the way of Eddie Royal - bursting on the scene as a volume WR in ppr leagues but lacking real substances behind those receptions.
I would have agreed with that before I watched KW highlights.

 
Got to value the proven talent of KW over all the rookies this year except maybe the top three. There's just to much risk of these youngsters busting.
And there's risk of Wright not breaking 80/900 and being basically what Cecil Shorts is. Valuewise, it's much safer to invest in someone like Adams whose upside isn't questioned. Most of Wright's points came with QBs no longer in Tenn. He's the perfect guy for Fitzpatrick, not Locker. There's a ton of WRs I'd happily downgrade Wright to. Wright is far from a safe investment, and if you're blindly looking at ADP he's way overvalued.
Agreed. I don't necessarily dislike Kendall Wright but there's a lot of potential for him to go the way of Eddie Royal - bursting on the scene as a volume WR in ppr leagues but lacking real substances behind those receptions.
I would have agreed with that before I watched KW highlights.
I actually like Wright - but for some reason he's maintained a real low ypr for his two years in the league and has not been a scoring threat. Odd since he was a good deep ball WR at Baylor. I'm not saying he can't develop into more than he's been, but the threat that he doesn't is real, which was really the main take away from the post I replied to.

 
12 team PPR 1QB 1RB 1WR 1TE 3FLEX

Team A trades:

Fred Jackson

DeAngelo Williams

Team B trades:

Mark Ingram

I was not involved. Team B was in desperate need of a starter with only Lamar Miller as a viable starter (rest of his team is probably middle of the road). While we only start 1RB, he obviously preferred going safe with Jackson over whatever upside Ingram may have.

 
Got to value the proven talent of KW over all the rookies this year except maybe the top three. There's just to much risk of these youngsters busting.
And there's risk of Wright not breaking 80/900 and being basically what Cecil Shorts is. Valuewise, it's much safer to invest in someone like Adams whose upside isn't questioned. Most of Wright's points came with QBs no longer in Tenn. He's the perfect guy for Fitzpatrick, not Locker. There's a ton of WRs I'd happily downgrade Wright to. Wright is far from a safe investment, and if you're blindly looking at ADP he's way overvalued.
Agreed. I don't necessarily dislike Kendall Wright but there's a lot of potential for him to go the way of Eddie Royal - bursting on the scene as a volume WR in ppr leagues but lacking real substances behind those receptions.
I would have agreed with that before I watched KW highlights.
I actually like Wright - but for some reason he's maintained a real low ypr for his two years in the league and has not been a scoring threat. Odd since he was a good deep ball WR at Baylor. I'm not saying he can't develop into more than he's been, but the threat that he doesn't is real, which was really the main take away from the post I replied to.
Yeah there is an article on that on the net somewhere. It basically said that his slow 40 at the combine had the old coaching staff thinking he couldn't be a deep threat but that on a very limited sample he's been quite successful doing it in the NFL. Basically it implied they weren't using him correctly and the new staff will have him running more deep routes. I'll just add I'm not sure what's going to happen but he is not slow. That's completely evident when you watch his tape. He's as electric/explosive as they come.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
12 team PPR 1QB 1RB 1WR 1TE 3FLEX

Team A trades:

Fred Jackson

DeAngelo Williams

Team B trades:

Mark Ingram

I was not involved. Team B was in desperate need of a starter with only Lamar Miller as a viable starter (rest of his team is probably middle of the road). While we only start 1RB, he obviously preferred going safe with Jackson over whatever upside Ingram may have.
Ingram

 
12 team PPR 1QB 1RB 1WR 1TE 3FLEX

Team A trades:

Fred Jackson

DeAngelo Williams

Team B trades:

Mark Ingram

I was not involved. Team B was in desperate need of a starter with only Lamar Miller as a viable starter (rest of his team is probably middle of the road). While we only start 1RB, he obviously preferred going safe with Jackson over whatever upside Ingram may have.
Where's his starter?

 
12 team PPR 1QB 1RB 1WR 1TE 3FLEX

Team A trades:

Fred Jackson

DeAngelo Williams

Team B trades:

Mark Ingram

I was not involved. Team B was in desperate need of a starter with only Lamar Miller as a viable starter (rest of his team is probably middle of the road). While we only start 1RB, he obviously preferred going safe with Jackson over whatever upside Ingram may have.
Where's his starter?
:goodposting:

Hate these kind of trades with a middling roster. Either go all in to make a run or go all in to rebuild. Adding mediocre aging depth is a great way to stay within a game or two of .500 forever.

 
12 team PPR 1QB 1RB 1WR 1TE 3FLEX

Team A trades:

Fred Jackson

DeAngelo Williams

Team B trades:

Mark Ingram

I was not involved. Team B was in desperate need of a starter with only Lamar Miller as a viable starter (rest of his team is probably middle of the road). While we only start 1RB, he obviously preferred going safe with Jackson over whatever upside Ingram may have.
Where's his starter?
:goodposting:

Hate these kind of trades with a middling roster. Either go all in to make a run or go all in to rebuild. Adding mediocre aging depth is a great way to stay within a game or two of .500 forever.
Jackson finished #10 in total points in my PPR league. Granted, if the rest of his roster is only average, it's not likely to matter who his RB is.

 
Jackson finished #10 in total points in my PPR league. Granted, if the rest of his roster is only average, it's not likely to matter who his RB is.
It could happen again but most people are expecting Jackson to fade a little this year and Spiller to get more of the load.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
12 team PPR 1QB 1RB 1WR 1TE 3FLEX

Team A trades:

Fred Jackson

DeAngelo Williams

Team B trades:

Mark Ingram

I was not involved. Team B was in desperate need of a starter with only Lamar Miller as a viable starter (rest of his team is probably middle of the road). While we only start 1RB, he obviously preferred going safe with Jackson over whatever upside Ingram may have.
Where's his starter?
:goodposting: Hate these kind of trades with a middling roster. Either go all in to make a run or go all in to rebuild. Adding mediocre aging depth is a great way to stay within a game or two of .500 forever.
Jackson finished #10 in total points in my PPR league. Granted, if the rest of his roster is only average, it's not likely to matter who his RB is.
RB13 in PPG last year with HAS Spiller, RB25 in PPG in 2012 with healthy Spiller. And he's 33. I love Freddy as an NFL player, but I definitely wouldn't feel super comfortable trying to make a playoff run with Jackson / DeAngelo / Miller at RB even if my roster were beastly everywhere else. Given that OP specified "middle of the road" at other positions, that backfield is poison. Even taking Ingram completely out of the equation, if Freddy manages to put out another RB13 season, it's hugely likely to just hurt the team's draft position next year -- the chances of Jackson / Williams being the difference in winning a title vs. not are laughably small IMO.

 
It could happen again but most people are expecting Jackson to fade a little this year and Spiller to get more of the load.
I do think some combination of Spiller/Brown will chip into Jackson's touches. But I also think he's a valid starter, in a re-draft sense. He scored more PPG than Fitz, Cruz, Gio, K. Allen, T. Hilton, M. Floyd, J. Cameron, T. Smith, Witten, Gonzo, VD, R. Mathews, etc.

 
12 team PPR 1QB 1RB 1WR 1TE 3FLEX

Team A trades:

Fred Jackson

DeAngelo Williams

Team B trades:

Mark Ingram

I was not involved. Team B was in desperate need of a starter with only Lamar Miller as a viable starter (rest of his team is probably middle of the road). While we only start 1RB, he obviously preferred going safe with Jackson over whatever upside Ingram may have.
Where's his starter?
:goodposting: Hate these kind of trades with a middling roster. Either go all in to make a run or go all in to rebuild. Adding mediocre aging depth is a great way to stay within a game or two of .500 forever.
Jackson finished #10 in total points in my PPR league. Granted, if the rest of his roster is only average, it's not likely to matter who his RB is.
RB13 in PPG last year with HAS Spiller, RB25 in PPG in 2012 with healthy Spiller. And he's 33. I love Freddy as an NFL player, but I definitely wouldn't feel super comfortable trying to make a playoff run with Jackson / DeAngelo / Miller at RB even if my roster were beastly everywhere else. Given that OP specified "middle of the road" at other positions, that backfield is poison. Even taking Ingram completely out of the equation, if Freddy manages to put out another RB13 season, it's hugely likely to just hurt the team's draft position next year -- the chances of Jackson / Williams being the difference in winning a title vs. not are laughably small IMO.
Jackson played through injuries in 2012 and left a couple games early, IIRC. He's a been a top 15 PPG guy for 5 years now.

I don't know what the guy's roster looks like, so I don't feel comfortable suggesting what he should or shouldn't do, in terms of making a push or packing it in. I just don't think Jackson is getting the respect he deserves, even as simply a fantasy asset. I value him at least as much as Frank Gore, for example.

 
Interesting chain reaction type deal.

14 team PPR devy league, must only start 1 RB.

Gave:

Stedman Bailey

Got:

Mark Ingram

2015 3rd

Was almost immediately offered, and later accepted:

Gave:

Mark Ingram

2015 3rd

Got:

Stevan Ridley
Nice work
I think I'd prefer Ingram and the third, but not a huge difference from Ridley and in either case it's a surprising return for Bailey.

 
12 team PPR 1QB 1RB 1WR 1TE 3FLEX

Team A trades:

Fred Jackson

DeAngelo Williams

Team B trades:

Mark Ingram

I was not involved. Team B was in desperate need of a starter with only Lamar Miller as a viable starter (rest of his team is probably middle of the road). While we only start 1RB, he obviously preferred going safe with Jackson over whatever upside Ingram may have.
Where's his starter?
:goodposting: Hate these kind of trades with a middling roster. Either go all in to make a run or go all in to rebuild. Adding mediocre aging depth is a great way to stay within a game or two of .500 forever.
Jackson finished #10 in total points in my PPR league. Granted, if the rest of his roster is only average, it's not likely to matter who his RB is.
RB13 in PPG last year with HAS Spiller, RB25 in PPG in 2012 with healthy Spiller. And he's 33. I love Freddy as an NFL player, but I definitely wouldn't feel super comfortable trying to make a playoff run with Jackson / DeAngelo / Miller at RB even if my roster were beastly everywhere else. Given that OP specified "middle of the road" at other positions, that backfield is poison. Even taking Ingram completely out of the equation, if Freddy manages to put out another RB13 season, it's hugely likely to just hurt the team's draft position next year -- the chances of Jackson / Williams being the difference in winning a title vs. not are laughably small IMO.
Jackson played through injuries in 2012 and left a couple games early, IIRC. He's a been a top 15 PPG guy for 5 years now.

I don't know what the guy's roster looks like, so I don't feel comfortable suggesting what he should or shouldn't do, in terms of making a push or packing it in. I just don't think Jackson is getting the respect he deserves, even as simply a fantasy asset. I value him at least as much as Frank Gore, for example.
I agree with this.

Everyone has been dismissing Jackson for years. At least 2 maybe 3. I couldn't sell him for a 3rd last year in a 12 team PPR so I am not even bothering this year.

Besides Jackson and his value/usefulness to me the guy gave up nothing for at least moderate production...unless you believe Ingram is suddenly a useful dynasty asset when he is likely behind KRobinson and PT still. Maybe if you are willing to wait until he is a FA he can pull a Thomas Jones but I think for a year I would rather have FJax

 
I agree with this.

Everyone has been dismissing Jackson for years. At least 2 maybe 3. I couldn't sell him for a 3rd last year in a 12 team PPR so I am not even bothering this year.

Besides Jackson and his value/usefulness to me the guy gave up nothing for at least moderate production...unless you believe Ingram is suddenly a useful dynasty asset when he is likely behind KRobinson and PT still. Maybe if you are willing to wait until he is a FA he can pull a Thomas Jones but I think for a year I would rather have FJax
It's not exactly a long wait until Ingram hits free agency. He's in the last year of his contract. I would say Ingram is roughly as useful of a dynasty asset as Ben Tate and Toby Gerhart were at this time last year. Owners who had the foresight to grab those guys last year for pennies on the dollar were rewarded with a very nice return.

Also, Ingram's been running with the first team offense all camp now. I would probably install him as the favorite to lead all NO RBs in total touches, for whatever that's worth.

 
I agree with this.

Everyone has been dismissing Jackson for years. At least 2 maybe 3. I couldn't sell him for a 3rd last year in a 12 team PPR so I am not even bothering this year.

Besides Jackson and his value/usefulness to me the guy gave up nothing for at least moderate production...unless you believe Ingram is suddenly a useful dynasty asset when he is likely behind KRobinson and PT still. Maybe if you are willing to wait until he is a FA he can pull a Thomas Jones but I think for a year I would rather have FJax
It's not exactly a long wait until Ingram hits free agency. He's in the last year of his contract. I would say Ingram is roughly as useful of a dynasty asset as Ben Tate and Toby Gerhart were at this time last year. Owners who had the foresight to grab those guys last year for pennies on the dollar were rewarded with a very nice return.

Also, Ingram's been running with the first team offense all camp now. I would probably install him as the favorite to lead all NO RBs in total touches, for whatever that's worth.
Tate has never been cheap in any of my leagues but you are right about Gerhart he could have been had for a song early last year.

Anyway maybe Ingram will be the player to own in NO and maybe Jackson finally shows his age and Brown/Spiller/Dixon prove more useful...strange things happen in football. However people have been predicting Ingram's rise and FJax's decline for longer than just this summer so I will side with history on this one and live with the regret I sold too early in the worst case scenario.

 
I agree with this.

Everyone has been dismissing Jackson for years. At least 2 maybe 3. I couldn't sell him for a 3rd last year in a 12 team PPR so I am not even bothering this year.

Besides Jackson and his value/usefulness to me the guy gave up nothing for at least moderate production...unless you believe Ingram is suddenly a useful dynasty asset when he is likely behind KRobinson and PT still. Maybe if you are willing to wait until he is a FA he can pull a Thomas Jones but I think for a year I would rather have FJax
It's not exactly a long wait until Ingram hits free agency. He's in the last year of his contract. I would say Ingram is roughly as useful of a dynasty asset as Ben Tate and Toby Gerhart were at this time last year. Owners who had the foresight to grab those guys last year for pennies on the dollar were rewarded with a very nice return.

Also, Ingram's been running with the first team offense all camp now. I would probably install him as the favorite to lead all NO RBs in total touches, for whatever that's worth.
I'd agree here. I thought it was a small price to pay for Ingram given his age and potential opportunity this year (and going forward). Sure, you MIGHT sacrifice some short term value if F-Jax has a similar year to last year.

That's the thing with a deal like this. This owner is hoping to have a shot to compete and I assume felt like Jackson was a safer bet to plug into his RB spot. (WRs are Julio, KAllen, LFitz, CPatterson, ESanders, TWilliams, where you can start 4 WRs, TEs are Witten/Fleener/DAllen, QB is Romo/Roethlisberger/Manziel). Like I said, it's a middle of the road team and while it's not like the upgrade to Jackson will be an impact move, to each their own.

My contention would be that if Ingram performs well this year (and he has been running with the starters), then it's probably a bad move. However, I do agree that F-Jax is an undervalued piece for a contender.

 
It's not exactly a long wait until Ingram hits free agency. He's in the last year of his contract. I would say Ingram is roughly as useful of a dynasty asset as Ben Tate and Toby Gerhart were at this time last year. Owners who had the foresight to grab those guys last year for pennies on the dollar were rewarded with a very nice return.

Also, Ingram's been running with the first team offense all camp now. I would probably install him as the favorite to lead all NO RBs in total touches, for whatever that's worth.
Tate was never pennies. He produced when he got touches and was one of the most important cuffs in the hobby. We'll see what happens with Gerhart, but I'm not convinced he has more career VBD left in him that Fred does moving forward, today. Rashard Mendenhall didn't, this time last year.

I do like Ingram and think he has a shot to be a quality player. But that's the nature of win-now moves.

FTR: I don't think it was a bad move either way. If you need Jackson this year, Ingram's not a bad price. If you don't, obviously anything you get is a plus, Ingram included.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
And Ingram starting, or lining up with the starters, is nothing new. He's started more games than not in his career. It just hasn't mattered to his fantasy owners.

 
That's the thing with a deal like this. This owner is hoping to have a shot to compete and I assume felt like Jackson was a safer bet to plug into his RB spot. (WRs are Julio, KAllen, LFitz, CPatterson, ESanders, TWilliams, where you can start 4 WRs, TEs are Witten/Fleener/DAllen, QB is Romo/Roethlisberger/Manziel). Like I said, it's a middle of the road team and while it's not like the upgrade to Jackson will be an impact move, to each their own.
Not to beat a deadhorse, but this is my first time seeing the roster in question. In a start 1RB, PPR league, I'd make that deal for Freddy, assuming I did my homework and kicked the tires on other options. That's a playoff team with a few studs capable of getting hot and upsetting a league favorite. And the roster is far too good to rebuild, so it's not as though an extra couple wins hurts the owner.

 
I'd agree here. I thought it was a small price to pay for Ingram given his age and potential opportunity this year (and going forward). Sure, you MIGHT sacrifice some short term value if F-Jax has a similar year to last year.
That's the thing with a deal like this. This owner is hoping to have a shot to compete and I assume felt like Jackson was a safer bet to plug into his RB spot. (WRs are Julio, KAllen, LFitz, CPatterson, ESanders, TWilliams, where you can start 4 WRs, TEs are Witten/Fleener/DAllen, QB is Romo/Roethlisberger/Manziel). Like I said, it's a middle of the road team and while it's not like the upgrade to Jackson will be an impact move, to each their own.

My contention would be that if Ingram performs well this year (and he has been running with the starters), then it's probably a bad move. However, I do agree that F-Jax is an undervalued piece for a contender.
In a 12 team PPR thats a better than middling team especially starting 4WR's. Romo/Miller/FJax/Julio/Allen/Fitz/(CP/TWill/ESanders) then Witten at TE I think is better than solid.

Agree his RB's are hurting him but he has WR depth he can use to make a deal if anyone is into dealing a better option

 
I agree with this.

Everyone has been dismissing Jackson for years. At least 2 maybe 3. I couldn't sell him for a 3rd last year in a 12 team PPR so I am not even bothering this year.

Besides Jackson and his value/usefulness to me the guy gave up nothing for at least moderate production...unless you believe Ingram is suddenly a useful dynasty asset when he is likely behind KRobinson and PT still. Maybe if you are willing to wait until he is a FA he can pull a Thomas Jones but I think for a year I would rather have FJax
It's not exactly a long wait until Ingram hits free agency. He's in the last year of his contract. I would say Ingram is roughly as useful of a dynasty asset as Ben Tate and Toby Gerhart were at this time last year. Owners who had the foresight to grab those guys last year for pennies on the dollar were rewarded with a very nice return.

Also, Ingram's been running with the first team offense all camp now. I would probably install him as the favorite to lead all NO RBs in total touches, for whatever that's worth.
Tate has never been cheap in any of my leagues but you are right about Gerhart he could have been had for a song early last year.

Anyway maybe Ingram will be the player to own in NO and maybe Jackson finally shows his age and Brown/Spiller/Dixon prove more useful...strange things happen in football. However people have been predicting Ingram's rise and FJax's decline for longer than just this summer so I will side with history on this one and live with the regret I sold too early in the worst case scenario.
Cheap is relative, I suppose. I got Ben Tate at pick 115 in a startup last year, four picks after Ingram and behind other names like Ahmad Bradshaw, BenJarvus Green-Ellis, and Rashard Mendenhall. I consider that extremely cheap based on a short-sighted reaction to the fact that he was currently a backup. I could sell him today if I were so inclined for more value than that, for sure. In established leagues, I agree that it would have been harder to pry him away from his current owner, likely because his current owner either also owns Foster (giving Tate extra synergy value) or because the current owner had been holding him for years (and thus was "invested").

The problem with siding with history is that FJax keeps getting older and Ingram keeps getting closer to free agency. Yes, the past two years, FJax wound up paying out significantly more than Ingram, but it's like a coin flip where the odds keep getting biased more and more in favor of tails with every flip. Sure, it came up heads the last three flips, but that doesn't mean you should keep betting on it to come up heads in perpetuity. That's even worse than the gambler's fallacy, because instead of remaining unchanged, the odds are actually getting progressively worse.

 

Users who are viewing this thread

Back
Top