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*** OFFICIAL *** 13/14 Off-Season Dynasty Trade Thread (2 Viewers)
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deadlyrange0321
Footballguy
10 team PPR, 1QB 2RB 2WR 1TE 1FLEX
Team A trades:
LeSean McCoy
Team B trades:
Adrian Peterson
Toby Gerhart
Rookie Pick 1.04
Team A trades:
LeSean McCoy
Team B trades:
Adrian Peterson
Toby Gerhart
Rookie Pick 1.04
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Thanks! I'm in a win-now window and was reluctant to lose a nice depth WR in Edelman, but as my WR5 or so I had to let him go for this price.
Hoping this is a positive reaction?
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Footballguy
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Positive for you, not the other guy.
Seems like a stupid deal IMO. Honestly, to me, seems like you got a 2015 1st for free
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Interesting one here.
Let's say you have a window to compete for the next couple years, and you are able to trade pick 4 for a nice player you need at WR or TE or something.
I think it would definitely be worth it to take AP and the pick (then trade the pick) to make your team better for the next 2 years than just having Mccoy, roster dependent of course. If you are loaded just keep Mccoy.
bengalbuck
Footballguy
This one just happened, figured I would post it before FA opens because opinions will change once we know his landing spot...
12 team PPR
Eric Decker
4.12
For
Mike Wallace
2.06
2.07
12 team PPR
Eric Decker
4.12
For
Mike Wallace
2.06
2.07
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Footballguy
cstu
Footballguy
2.05 >>> 2016 2ndConnSKINS26, on 06 Mar 2014 - 5:11 PM, said:
12 team PPR.Gave:
Julian Edelman
2016 2nd
Got:
2.05
2015 1st (hopefully late-ish, it's mine that I had previously dealt)
2015 1st >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Edelman
absolutely criminal
Winning IS Everything
Footballguy
Team A Traded:
Adrian Peterson
Team B Traded:
1.8, 2.3 and 3.8
Team B is loaded and looking at 2-3 year window
Adrian Peterson
Team B Traded:
1.8, 2.3 and 3.8
Team B is loaded and looking at 2-3 year window
cstu
Footballguy
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Gave: 2014 picks 1.14 and 2.01
Received: Ray Rice and Reggie Wayne
Gave: 2015 2nd rounder(usually mid to late)
Received: Steven Jackson
Slight overpay on my end, but after 12 years in the league and no hardware to show, I am doing everything I can to win in the next two years at the expense of my future.
Received: Ray Rice and Reggie Wayne
Gave: 2015 2nd rounder(usually mid to late)
Received: Steven Jackson
Slight overpay on my end, but after 12 years in the league and no hardware to show, I am doing everything I can to win in the next two years at the expense of my future.
doowain
Footballguy
As an aside: judging by all of the Foles deals the last few days, his value seems to be all over the place.
Where would you guys put his value in terms of a rookie pick in a PPR league? Let's say 4 pts/TD.
This might help in actually determining his value rather than random packages of players.
Where would you guys put his value in terms of a rookie pick in a PPR league? Let's say 4 pts/TD.
This might help in actually determining his value rather than random packages of players.
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I thnk the theory of "doing everything I can to win in the next two years" is commendable, but just not sure the way that you've put it into practice is the best way to do it.
Ray Rice, is surely capable of bouncing back, but he's coming off a poor season and his legal troubles may be serious. Reggie Wayne can till play but at 35/36 I don't think he's a difference maker for fantasy purposes and Steven Jackson looked nice and toasty last season when I watched him - admittedly early season injuries may have played a role, but he looked like he was playing in slow motion last season and will be 31 this season.
This could end up working out for you and I hope it does, but just making a comment.
deadlyrange0321
Footballguy
I agree. I think the idea is nice (going out to win now), but I think you may have targeted the wrong players. I don't see any of the 3 being major contributors on a team looking to win a title.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I play in 6 pt TD leagues and if I needed a QB badly enough, I may pay as high as 1.08-1.10. I'm a big fan, but truth be told right now I'd rather target guys like RGIII or Matt Ryan that have just as much upside, but have fallen victim to the "what have you done for me lately" line of thinking, or settle for the unsexy productive veterans like Romo, Rivers or Roethlisberger that come much cheaper.
Just saw this Foles trade go down (wasn't involved)
12 team ppr 1QB / 2 RB / 3 WR / TE / FL
- Team A gave up Smith, Torrey BAL WR; Year 2014 Draft Pick 4.04;Year 2014 Draft Pick 4.09
- Team B gave up Foles, Nick PHI QB; Year 2014 Draft Pick 2.12;Year 2014 Draft Pick 3.12
I definitely see where both of you are coming from and from your vantage point I agree. I should have prefaced it with the fact that I had tried to acquire other guys like Zac Stacy and CJ Spiller for the same price, but the owners weren't biting. I also could have gotten a player like Ellington or Joique Bell for this price if I had tried, but I decided to take the chance on Rice due to his history of production. It may very well blow up in my face. Reggie Wayne was just a throw in so he could "retire" on my team. A homage I like to pay to my favorite players.(I'm weird like that)
I think Jackson played well enough at the end of last year and he strikes me as the type of guy who wants to redeem himself for last years bad season. He is already talking about strating a new streak of 1,000 yard games. Obviously I'm not expecting that, but it's nice to know the desire is there.
So these are the deals I ended up with after trying others and failing and comparing to what I could also get. We'll see.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
In terms over actual projected points over baseline moving forward he's probably worth somewhere in the 1.03 - 1.05 range. In terms of VORP, he's worth waaaaay less than that.
I was on the other end of this deal. For me, it was a no brainer. Our lineups are smaller here (1 RB/WR/TE and 3 Flex), and only require 1 RB. Miller and Streater were really non essential to me, so it came down to 2.01. This draft is deep, but the odds of hitting at that pick are less than 50/50. Vereen has his questions, no doubt, and has had some injuries, but when he plays, is almost a lock for 10-15 pts a game in a PPR. I'll take that all day over possibly hitting on 2.01, which for me would come down to gambling on one of the RBs or WRs (no interest in drafting a QB)cstu said:
He is going in the 3rd/4th round range in startups (as someone else said, around the 1.01/1.02 rookie picks)...now, I realize no one would trade me those early picks for him, but his value is easily somewhere in the middle between those top picks and the 2.01.
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cstu
Footballguy
He's a good risk/reward at that price, I would just prefer the pick and trying to move Miller and Streater separately.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
I'd throw him out there and see what you can get, you never know. Some of the people that like Vereen REALLY like him. If someone in your league has him as a borderline RB1 moving forward you might be able to get way more than you gave up if the original Vereen owner wasn't shopping him aggressively.
Problem with Miller and Streater is they literally have no value at all. Miller might have some (once FA/draft is over and we see if Miami brings in another RB), but neither of these guys is bringing back much by themselves.
Miller and Streater "literally" have no value? I think not. They may not have much value, but they do have some value and in a league where I am rebuilding I would love to get them "literally" for nothing.
Disagree - out of curiosity, what draft pick would you give up for Streater? For Miller?
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Pretty sure he was the "starter" last year when he put up sparkling RB45 PPG numbers, which is on par with WW scrubs like Peyton Hillis, Mike Tolbert, and Chris Ogbannaya. A young turd is still a turd, and Miller is a COP RB on a team with a bad line and a pass heavy system. He's not someone I'd cut outright unless we're talking about super short benches, but no way I'm moving anything of value for him at this point. It's a pretty bad sign when you can't put garbage like Daniel Thomas totally on the bench.
Exactly. Trying to trade for Miller guys still want a late 1st which is really all anyone seems to think Vereen is worth judging by the offers I receive
Probably not for long. I'd be shocked if they don't bring someone in via FA or the draft to compete with him.
If you could get a late 1st for Miller, all the power to you. In my leagues where he's been traded, its been literally as throw-ins or for mid to late 2nds, even early 3rds. Or one disappointing RB (i.e. Ingram, Wilson, etc) for another
Oh, and I know we're not comparing Miller to Vereen here, but Vereen outscored Miller this year, even though Vereen only played 8 games and Miller played 16, and Vereen very rarely carried the ball.
Maybe there are folks in other leagues still high on Miller, but those guys aren't in any of my leagues, that's for sure.
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Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Yeah people can ask for whatever they want, and considering what people were trading for Miller a year ago, I'm not going to blame anyone for trying to recover some value. But after 2013 anyone still chugging the Miller kool aid is seeing what they want to see. He's not remotely close to being worth a 1st round pick.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
You really looking to buy Lamar Miller? Not being snarky, I just genuinely have never understood the love. Speed is exciting, sure, but it's really not worth much without the lateral movement to avoid or the power to run through arm tackles. Miller has always been on the Tatum Bell -- Jerious Norwood -- Trung Canidate spectrum for me.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Miller is much bigger than any of those guys - he was certainly disappointing last season, but I can see why people would be intrigued by a 220 pound RB with his speed.
Yeah I would rather have Miller or Wilson sitting on my bench than marcel reece/dennis johnson/todman/Bryce Brown types.
I get the comparison except those guys were drafted pretty high but still a fair speed back comparison.
I am not infatuated with him but I would buy he or Wilson if his price reflected his value/risk more
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Was talking more from a style / limitations standpoint than physical measurables. Miller doesn't run like a typical 220 pounder at all.
I would pay early to mid 2nd for Miller and mid to late 2nd for Streater, neither of which I would consider literally of no value. And if they were really worth nothing, you would find on the waiver wire in most leagues, but they are both rostered in every league I am in, indicating they have some value
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thriftyrocker
Footballguy
Miller has value as a guy whose initial stock dropped a lot because it might take him a while to figure it out. I also doubt MIA overspends on RB in FA or drafts someone too high. Granted a strong UFA might pose eventual risk to Miller, but I'd figure he gets more chances, and more chances are more opportunities to sell or to re-evaluate how good he actually is.
Sure, they are not on the waiver wire in most leagues, but as far as trade value goes, they don't have much. There are plenty of guys on rosters that really shouldn't be either. There are plenty of guys on the waiver wire exactly like Streater. Everyone has their own opinion, and if you like them, that's great. All I'm trying to say here is I literally can/could not get anything of value for either guy right now. If someone offered me a 3rd rounder for Streater, I'd jump at it. Miller I would hold for a bit more, only because there might be some people still high on him and maybe someone would offer a late 2nd for him.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Even a crappy FA or a mid - late round rookie is likely to be a serious threat, considering a scrub like Daniel Thomas was good enough to take significant work away from Miller last year, which destroyed his FF value.
His stock was absurdly high last offseason, based on what is reasonable to expect from a 4th round rookie RB in a crappy situation. If it's gone down, it's just normalizing -- and there are still people in here talking about giving up high 2nds for the guy -- a high 2nd this year is pretty likely to be significantly better than a 4th round RB in a crap situation. Miller is still overvalued IMO.
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
Well Gillislee wasn't enough to do anything. Interested to see if MIA even tries with Tate or Blount. I'm expecting them to put all their money into OL. What they have is bad. Lazor coming from PHI which emphasized OL.
Phenix
Footballguy
- The Shockers gave up Blackmon, Justin JAC WR
- Ninja Monkeys gave up Wright, Kendall TEN WR
Wright for me. Blackmon is a higher ceiling player but I don't trust he can stay on the field
False Start
Footballguy
Same here. Pretty even in both regards seeing as how Blackmon is a stud but one slip away and Wright has shown to be something nice too. I always take certainty when I can get it.
False Start
Footballguy
Give me Nicks, if he lands somewhere nice it could be interesting. If he goes to the Jets, I want the 1st rounder.Tibereas said:
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