Dez.for both
unless only RB's get a touch bonus. Then I can see why Smith was added but still Dez
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*** OFFICIAL *** 13/14 Off-Season Dynasty Trade Thread (1 Viewer)
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unless only RB's get a touch bonus. Then I can see why Smith was added but still Dez
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12 Team Non-PPR
Team A gave Khiry Robinson, Andre Holmes, Denarius Moore
Team B gave VJax, L. Brazil
Team A gave Khiry Robinson, Andre Holmes, Denarius Moore
Team B gave VJax, L. Brazil
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I don't care if Matthews got it on with my wife and I hate him more than anyone ever, he clearly has value in the fantasy community.
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And Austin doesn't? Mathews is 27 coming off the only year in which he played all 16 games and still was only #17RB.
I don't care if Matthews got it on with my wife and I hate him more than anyone ever, he clearly has value in the fantasy community.
The Chargers are also likely to let Mathews walk after this year.
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So you like Austin quite a bit eh. I don't like him much at all.And Austin doesn't? Mathews is 27 coming off the only year in which he played all 16 games and still was only #17RB.
I don't care if Matthews got it on with my wife and I hate him more than anyone ever, he clearly has value in the fantasy community.
The Chargers are also likely to let Mathews walk after this year.
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I know this is complicated, but rice comes back after a suspension and shows last year the writing was on the wall, Austin shows he is what he is (a gadget player) and you traded a 2nd next year for Mathews and Wheaton. Not bad
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I tried to move Foles for 2 2nds and a 2015 1st and was turned down. Didn't think that was a ton for a potential top 5-10 QB. Especially because the team I was trying to move him to has Tannehill as his best option.
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Just not much of a market for QBs in general in start 1 leagues. The position is too deep to pay fair prices for anyone, IMO. I like Foles, but why pay for him when guys like Cutler, Rivers, Roethlisberger can be had basically for free?
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Because, IMO, he's a far superior option to those guys. Super young, high octane offense, and was absolutely lights out last year. I don't see how he finishes outside the top 5 next year. Of the guys that are Top 5 upside guys, he is by far the cheapest. Sure, there is some risk because he hasn't done it for a full year, but those are the risks you have to take sometimes and if you trust your evaluation of a guy why not go get him?
FWIW, I believe his numbers from last year extrapolated over a 16 game schedule was something like 4400 and 56 TDs.
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He's a difference maker. I can buy that logic for passing on Ryan, Wilson, Kaepernick, or even Luck, relative to their price tags. But Foles should be one of the few guys we DO take a chance on BECAUSE the field is so deep. Roll the dice on Foles (or RG3) and a swing and miss isn't too damning, as Romo, Cutler, and Rivers are dirt cheap.
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Agree with this, but how much is that upside worth? Foles definitely has more upside and shelf life -- but the baselines / median production projections for all but the true elites are pretty close IMO, if we're looking at a typical three year window. I'd personally rather invest in RB / WR and patch in unsexy old steadies at QB at throw in prices. But the other side has merit too, particularly given the fact that Foles seems to be trading at less than his "true" value.
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Maybe, but I think Robinson will never be a fantasy asset. I beleive the guy only caught about 30 balls during his college career. The Giants have talked him up each offseason, but the bottom line is always they'd rather sign a bum like Brandon Myers than hand Robinson the job.
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He wasn't the deciding factor here...I don't believe. But, FWIW, I think his injuries have had more to do with not being "handed the starting job" than talent.
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Definitely disagree with the bolded. It certainly wouldn't shock me if he put up top-5 stats, but neither would I be surprised if he ends up as QB6 - QB10. I have a hard time seeing his efficiency metrics not suffering a bit due to normal regression, and I don't see Foles' pass attempts anywhere near where they'd need to be to toss out a top 5 lock type projection. Philly attempted only 508 passes as a team last year.
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It's hard to say, but much more than what people are getting. What was a 25 yo Peyton/Brees/Brady worth? I don't feel like I'm going out on a limb valuing like that when he was the #1 QB since week 9 last year and has an offense built to score points.
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A decade ago those guys were worth a ton. Now I'm not so sure, considering the way passing attempts have gone up and the influx of young two way threats at QB. It's an interesting dilemma IMO.
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But the two way threats at QB are not producing enough rushing yards ATM. They are producing enough to extend the plateau of QB1s, but not enough to increase the number of elite QB. That was really only 2011-2012. We already reverted back to the mean, here. If Kaep, Wilson, RG3, JFootball can hit McNabb-like passing stats of about 3800 and still get 500 on the ground, then yes we will have a lot of elite QBs but that hasn't happened yet.
And look at what happened with Cam. He was getting the 3800+ and all the rushing, but the team decided in order to win, let's be more conservative, and his passing went down. His eliteness comes down to being bulletproof in short yardage rushing.
If you think Foles is Peyton you should probably draft him in the first of a startup. A decade of Peyton was probably 700 VBD, which is equivalent to a mid WR1 without the risk or variability year to year. Money in the bank.
I am a big proponent of investing in QB in dynasty, but the uniqueness of RG3 (healthy), RW (defense), CK (defense), and NF's (depends on coach) situation puts some doubt in my strategy. In turn I'm just super into getting Luck ATM.
And look at what happened with Cam. He was getting the 3800+ and all the rushing, but the team decided in order to win, let's be more conservative, and his passing went down. His eliteness comes down to being bulletproof in short yardage rushing.
If you think Foles is Peyton you should probably draft him in the first of a startup. A decade of Peyton was probably 700 VBD, which is equivalent to a mid WR1 without the risk or variability year to year. Money in the bank.
I am a big proponent of investing in QB in dynasty, but the uniqueness of RG3 (healthy), RW (defense), CK (defense), and NF's (depends on coach) situation puts some doubt in my strategy. In turn I'm just super into getting Luck ATM.
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