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Thanks for the additional responses everyone. Just Win Baby and I are teammates in a league where the other owner offered the deal for us to part with Gerhart, then once that was done offered the pick upgrade for us to part with Todman. In each case we originally made offers we thought were better for the other owner than the ones he countered with, so I was giddy, especially with that second deal. But when something seems so good, especially when the other guy offers it up freely, you scratch your head and wonder sometimes. So I wanted to ask the crowd.I will call it a ripoff.I wouldn't say ripoff, I would call it an overpay since I don't know who offered it to whom. I just feel the team acquiring Gerhart and Todman is being short sighted to think they now have a complete backfield. I am assuming they think that based on what they paid. I would have at least waited until after the draft to see what JAX does. There is no way the price could have gotten any higher by waiting.Just curious, any other opinions on this deal or is 'ripoff' the general feeling (besides EBF whose Gerhart opinion is well documented)?Maybe it would have made more sense if he said "wow, he really took team A to the Fleeners!"?Just Win Baby said:Ah, yes, makes sense now. :whoosh:Bruce Hammond said:I think he's saying the owner who got Gerhart and Todman got mugged.Just Win Baby said:thriftyrocker said:
Think I would rather have Stills than Gerhart and Fleener is borderline waiver material for me after seeing what he can do as the only TE in IND last year.
Foster may have lost value but not nearly that much
I don't disagree with that (of course or I wouldn't have offered them) but I thought they still were better than those he countered with. That's all I was saying.
No accounting for what another owner values.Thanks for the additional responses everyone. Just Win Baby and I are teammates in a league where the other owner offered the deal for us to part with Gerhart, then once that was done offered the pick upgrade for us to part with Todman. In each case we originally made offers we thought were better for the other owner than the ones he countered with, so I was giddy, especially with that second deal. But when something seems so good, especially when the other guy offers it up freely, you scratch your head and wonder sometimes. So I wanted to ask the crowd.I will call it a ripoff.I wouldn't say ripoff, I would call it an overpay since I don't know who offered it to whom. I just feel the team acquiring Gerhart and Todman is being short sighted to think they now have a complete backfield. I am assuming they think that based on what they paid. I would have at least waited until after the draft to see what JAX does. There is no way the price could have gotten any higher by waiting.Just curious, any other opinions on this deal or is 'ripoff' the general feeling (besides EBF whose Gerhart opinion is well documented)?Maybe it would have made more sense if he said "wow, he really took team A to the Fleeners!"?Just Win Baby said:Ah, yes, makes sense now. :whoosh:Bruce Hammond said:I think he's saying the owner who got Gerhart and Todman got mugged.Just Win Baby said:thriftyrocker said:
Think I would rather have Stills than Gerhart and Fleener is borderline waiver material for me after seeing what he can do as the only TE in IND last year.
Foster may have lost value but not nearly that much
For the record, our original offers that were rejected and countered with the above deals were (1) Ivory + Fleener + LaFell for Foster alone, and (2) Todman for Donald Brown (both would have been handcuffs).
Thanks again for the responses.
Julio for me. Not a head case. Dez could end up punching a barista at any moment. He's kinda nuts.
Ivory's value is in the toilet. Hard to get much for him. I could see why he would want Gerhart more. Not enough to give Foster in any configuration though.
Julio's missed games due to injury - 14
burn!! You got me there. Except where he was ahead of Dez when he got injured last season.MoveToSkypager said:
Go ahead and give Roger Goodell a call and tell him to pro-rate Jones' stats for last year out to 16 games.
2.11 but in all fairness I am done with Fleener. He is in the Housler/Myers/Tim Wright zone and I would only hold him over those guys because he was a first round draft pick and I might be able to flip him if Allen gets hurt
lol. I would if I cared.
Maybe close depending on how one values Devy picks and Evans but I would pay that for Calvin
i'd take Gerhart. Shorts is what he is, a mediocre WR who will be in the 800-1000 yard/4-8 TD range. Those guys are a dime a dozen, would much rather gamble Gerhart has a couple years of top 15-20 RB production.
In this format, I'd definately take Shorts. In a start 2RB league, it's closer. That said, I'm not ready to call Shorts mediocre yet. He showed flashes and looked very explosive in 2012.
I like Lee, but I see his ceiling as being a 14-15 ppg guy rather than an 18-20 ppg guy. In a league where TE/WR occupy the same starting slots and TE get the 1.5 PPR bonus, strong WR2-WR3 types are devalued considerably. Last year Olsen/Clay/Gates/Pitta/Bennett scored about as much as Kendall Wright and Torrey Smith. So unless you think Lee is going to be a legitimate top 10 guy, he's not necessarily gonna give you a huge edge. Given the options available at RB/WR/TE in the rookie pool, I think I have a good chance to at least break even.
Gerhart's value is all over the place. If I made such an offer in my league I'd be laughed at and mocked for undervaluing a starting RB.
maybe not by a mile in the chance Ingram get a bigger role, but definitely Gerhart right now. Wouldn't be shocked if it worked out for the person getting Ingram though.
Just for an example...I wasn't getting much interest in Peyton and probably could held on for an in season trade but in a start one QB league it's tough to move a 37 year old QB for too much. I wasn't too interested in holding on to the NE WR trio and guess who to start and am happy with what I got.
Thanks. It was a lot of future value to give for a guy I won't even start most weeks but even if he's only a long-term steady high-end WR2, it's worth it for me the way my roster's built.
Thought this was my league. Same trade but the format is 2 rb/3 wr/1te/1 flex.
Devy picks change so much year to year, definitely would package that up for a player like Allen
