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*** OFFICIAL *** 13/14 Off-Season Dynasty Trade Thread (4 Viewers)
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Footballguy
Skeletore Eh
Footballguy
I agree it's pretty even although I'll go with the Blackmon. I'm a sucker for upside
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Footballguy
lardonastick
Footballguy
Hmm, interesting trade. I think if I own Foster and am trying to trade him (maybe because I'm deep at RB and/or I think he's done, or I think there's great value w/that pick, etc.), I would probably take the 1.07 this year for him. On the other hand, if you're trading for Foster, I'm assuming you need RB1 upside production THIS YEAR. I would venture to say the odds you're getting that at 1.07 this year are lower than that of Foster. So I can see both sides.
Having said that, I am a little surprised that Foster is available at that price.
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Footballguy
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
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Footballguy
Don't want to deal with Gronk's issues. Just my opinion, shared by at least one more person
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
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Footballguy
Maybe to you, but I see a lot of difference. 1.5 is at worse, the 2nd tier, 1.11 3rd or 4th tier. I usually draft late 1st and all the really good players that I am interested in are mostly gone by then.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
This year seems like an enormous 2nd/3rd tier, but we won't know for sure until the WR's and RB's have landing spots.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I don't think you gave up TOO much future value. And got three guys who could easily all help.
Most won't like it probably citing "youth youth youth" but you gave up maybe one good young player, probably not a stud, for three guys who can help now.
Not saying i am in favor of the deal, but you didn't break the bank.
Rolling_akg
Footballguy
eNdblu
Footballguy
r0llin_game
Footballguy
I want to add to the Lamar Miller discussion. As someone that has been a big fan of his since high school, I ended up catching a decent amount of Miami games this year. My biggest takeaway from him/Dolphins last season was how much of a mess the play calling was. With Sherman out, I don't expect them to pass nearly as much, since he did coach him at TAMU.
The thing with Daniel Thomas I believe is that the Fins felt that since they wasted a 2nd round pick on him, they want to use him and not feel completely that Thomas was a bust at 2.30.
The biggest spotlight game to me was the first Dolphins/Pats game where Lamar had a very nice first half in a game where the Fins controlled the majority of the half, then threw the ball, almost the entire second half. I know the Pats were coming off of Wilfork being put on IR along with other various DL injuries, but I feel like that half of football gives Lamar promise. If their OL upgrades a bit and they stick to the run, I feel like Lamar could put up 1000/8 along with something like 20/200.
The thing with Daniel Thomas I believe is that the Fins felt that since they wasted a 2nd round pick on him, they want to use him and not feel completely that Thomas was a bust at 2.30.
The biggest spotlight game to me was the first Dolphins/Pats game where Lamar had a very nice first half in a game where the Fins controlled the majority of the half, then threw the ball, almost the entire second half. I know the Pats were coming off of Wilfork being put on IR along with other various DL injuries, but I feel like that half of football gives Lamar promise. If their OL upgrades a bit and they stick to the run, I feel like Lamar could put up 1000/8 along with something like 20/200.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
"Yeah, winning games is nice and all, but what's really important is letting Jeff Ireland save face, so we're playing Daniel, even though Lamar is better."
False Start
Footballguy
False Start
Footballguy
Give me Gronk too. Are people still this obsessed with Gronk though. Dude is broken, not worth the price. I wish you could have gotten a better RB than Jennings though or a higher second pick then it would of been in your favor no doubt.
That is not as ridiculous as you make it sound. Ideally, the best players should always be on the field, but some teams do give priority opportunity to the higher drafted players because to not do so would be an admission of failure of whoever made the draft decision. Unfortunately, not every team can be like the Saints, where a free agent is given the same opportunity to prove themselves as a high draft pick.
"Yeah, winning games is nice and all, but what's really important is letting Jeff Ireland save face, so we're playing Daniel, even though Lamar is better."
Archer
Footballguy
I agree Foles is easily worth a top 5 pick. Perfect offense with great weapons and a division where the defenses are all average to poor.
Archer
Footballguy
I agree that Miller has that type of upside with a coaching staff that has a clue. At times he looked great last year but they kept forcing Thomas and the passing game to millers detriment. He's a great buy low IMO
Archer
Footballguy
Not crazy about Foster but if I were strong at WR already then I would definitely give up 1.7 to land him (I could see keeping 1.7 for a WR but if the puck was for a RB then Foster all the way)
Archer
Footballguy
I agree Foles is easily worth a top 5 pick. Perfect offense with great weapons and a division where the defenses are all average to poor.
Awful value for AP, especially with Norv in town and Patteson being utilized more to open up the offense
Archer
Footballguy
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
It's absolutely ridiculous to believe that teams operate this way. Higher draft choices obviously get more playing time, but it's because they are more likely to develop and teams have more invested in them, not so they don't have make "an admission of failure." No one is deliberately starting worse players to protect anyone's reputation -- if they don't win, they all get fired, so that's what they try to do. And none of that applies, at all, to 2nd vs 4th round RB in their 2nd and 3rd years. Miami knew what they had in both guys going in to the season.That is not as ridiculous as you make it sound. Ideally, the best players should always be on the field, but some teams do give priority opportunity to the higher drafted players because to not do so would be an admission of failure of whoever made the draft decision. Unfortunately, not every team can be like the Saints, where a free agent is given the same opportunity to prove themselves as a high draft pick.
You are entitled to your opinion. We will have to agree to disagree.It's absolutely ridiculous to believe that teams operate this way. Higher draft choices obviously get more playing time, but it's because they are more likely to develop and teams have more invested in them, not so they don't have make "an admission of failure." No one is deliberately starting worse players to protect anyone's reputation -- if they don't win, they all get fired, so that's what they try to do. And none of that applies, at all, to 2nd vs 4th round RB in their 2nd and 3rd years. Miami knew what they had in both guys going in to the season.That is not as ridiculous as you make it sound. Ideally, the best players should always be on the field, but some teams do give priority opportunity to the higher drafted players because to not do so would be an admission of failure of whoever made the draft decision. Unfortunately, not every team can be like the Saints, where a free agent is given the same opportunity to prove themselves as a high draft pick.
deadlyrange0321
Footballguy
You really think it's hard to believe that Miami operates this way? They are probably the most dysfunctional franchise in the league.It's absolutely ridiculous to believe that teams operate this way. Higher draft choices obviously get more playing time, but it's because they are more likely to develop and teams have more invested in them, not so they don't have make "an admission of failure." No one is deliberately starting worse players to protect anyone's reputation -- if they don't win, they all get fired, so that's what they try to do. And none of that applies, at all, to 2nd vs 4th round RB in their 2nd and 3rd years. Miami knew what they had in both guys going in to the season.That is not as ridiculous as you make it sound. Ideally, the best players should always be on the field, but some teams do give priority opportunity to the higher drafted players because to not do so would be an admission of failure of whoever made the draft decision. Unfortunately, not every team can be like the Saints, where a free agent is given the same opportunity to prove themselves as a high draft pick.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
You are entitled to your opinion. We will have to agree to disagree.It's absolutely ridiculous to believe that teams operate this way. Higher draft choices obviously get more playing time, but it's because they are more likely to develop and teams have more invested in them, not so they don't have make "an admission of failure." No one is deliberately starting worse players to protect anyone's reputation -- if they don't win, they all get fired, so that's what they try to do. And none of that applies, at all, to 2nd vs 4th round RB in their 2nd and 3rd years. Miami knew what they had in both guys going in to the season.That is not as ridiculous as you make it sound. Ideally, the best players should always be on the field, but some teams do give priority opportunity to the higher drafted players because to not do so would be an admission of failure of whoever made the draft decision. Unfortunately, not every team can be like the Saints, where a free agent is given the same opportunity to prove themselves as a high draft pick.
"Hey guys, we're not going to play the best players. We might lose games and all get fired at the end of the year, but at least no one will look bad or have to make an admission of failure about a late 2nd round pick from three years ago."
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Poorly run =/= not even trying to winYou really think it's hard to believe that Miami operates this way? They are probably the most dysfunctional franchise in the league.It's absolutely ridiculous to believe that teams operate this way. Higher draft choices obviously get more playing time, but it's because they are more likely to develop and teams have more invested in them, not so they don't have make "an admission of failure." No one is deliberately starting worse players to protect anyone's reputation -- if they don't win, they all get fired, so that's what they try to do. And none of that applies, at all, to 2nd vs 4th round RB in their 2nd and 3rd years. Miami knew what they had in both guys going in to the season.That is not as ridiculous as you make it sound. Ideally, the best players should always be on the field, but some teams do give priority opportunity to the higher drafted players because to not do so would be an admission of failure of whoever made the draft decision. Unfortunately, not every team can be like the Saints, where a free agent is given the same opportunity to prove themselves as a high draft pick.
Straw Man alert!You are entitled to your opinion. We will have to agree to disagree.It's absolutely ridiculous to believe that teams operate this way. Higher draft choices obviously get more playing time, but it's because they are more likely to develop and teams have more invested in them, not so they don't have make "an admission of failure." No one is deliberately starting worse players to protect anyone's reputation -- if they don't win, they all get fired, so that's what they try to do. And none of that applies, at all, to 2nd vs 4th round RB in their 2nd and 3rd years. Miami knew what they had in both guys going in to the season.That is not as ridiculous as you make it sound. Ideally, the best players should always be on the field, but some teams do give priority opportunity to the higher drafted players because to not do so would be an admission of failure of whoever made the draft decision. Unfortunately, not every team can be like the Saints, where a free agent is given the same opportunity to prove themselves as a high draft pick.
"Hey guys, we're not going to play the best players. We might lose games and all get fired at the end of the year, but at least no one will look bad or have to make an admission of failure about a late 2nd round pick from three years ago."
Jrodicus
Footballguy
"Hey, bud, how's it going? Remember that guy I was really high on? My boss isn't too thrilled about how he's turned out. You need to make sure he has an opportunity to shine, or at least give the appearance that he's contributing to the team. You know I'm your boss, right? I brought you into this world, and I can take you out. If you make me look bad, it won't end well for you."You are entitled to your opinion. We will have to agree to disagree.It's absolutely ridiculous to believe that teams operate this way. Higher draft choices obviously get more playing time, but it's because they are more likely to develop and teams have more invested in them, not so they don't have make "an admission of failure." No one is deliberately starting worse players to protect anyone's reputation -- if they don't win, they all get fired, so that's what they try to do. And none of that applies, at all, to 2nd vs 4th round RB in their 2nd and 3rd years. Miami knew what they had in both guys going in to the season.That is not as ridiculous as you make it sound. Ideally, the best players should always be on the field, but some teams do give priority opportunity to the higher drafted players because to not do so would be an admission of failure of whoever made the draft decision. Unfortunately, not every team can be like the Saints, where a free agent is given the same opportunity to prove themselves as a high draft pick.
"Hey guys, we're not going to play the best players. We might lose games and all get fired at the end of the year, but at least no one will look bad or have to make an admission of failure about a late 2nd round pick from three years ago."
Yeah, conversations like that never happen in corporate America. I'm sure they don't happen in the NFL either.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Great point. Because rotating in Daniel Thomas made Jeff Ireland look so much better. In fact, that's probably what saved his job. Oh wait..."Hey, bud, how's it going? Remember that guy I was really high on? My boss isn't too thrilled about how he's turned out. You need to make sure he has an opportunity to shine, or at least give the appearance that he's contributing to the team. You know I'm your boss, right? I brought you into this world, and I can take you out. If you make me look bad, it won't end well for you."You are entitled to your opinion. We will have to agree to disagree.It's absolutely ridiculous to believe that teams operate this way. Higher draft choices obviously get more playing time, but it's because they are more likely to develop and teams have more invested in them, not so they don't have make "an admission of failure." No one is deliberately starting worse players to protect anyone's reputation -- if they don't win, they all get fired, so that's what they try to do. And none of that applies, at all, to 2nd vs 4th round RB in their 2nd and 3rd years. Miami knew what they had in both guys going in to the season.That is not as ridiculous as you make it sound. Ideally, the best players should always be on the field, but some teams do give priority opportunity to the higher drafted players because to not do so would be an admission of failure of whoever made the draft decision. Unfortunately, not every team can be like the Saints, where a free agent is given the same opportunity to prove themselves as a high draft pick.
Yeah, conversations like that never happen in corporate America. I'm sure they don't happen in the NFL either.
Evidently you're missing the part where losses get GMs fired, too. Or the part where the coach can walk into the owner's office down the hall and ask why he isn't able to try to win this week's game.
The mental gymnastics FF owners will go through to avoid admitting a mistake is truly bizarre. Dumb coaches, GM conspiracy theories, etc all to avoid the obvious conclusion in a case like this.
False Start
Footballguy
So wait, Jeff Ireland will ask players to fight other players and if a possible prospects mom was a prostitute. But he won't bench a player because he does not like him? Interesting.Great point. Because rotating in Daniel Thomas made Jeff Ireland look so much better. In fact, that's probably what saved his job. Oh wait..."Hey, bud, how's it going? Remember that guy I was really high on? My boss isn't too thrilled about how he's turned out. You need to make sure he has an opportunity to shine, or at least give the appearance that he's contributing to the team. You know I'm your boss, right? I brought you into this world, and I can take you out. If you make me look bad, it won't end well for you."You are entitled to your opinion. We will have to agree to disagree.It's absolutely ridiculous to believe that teams operate this way. Higher draft choices obviously get more playing time, but it's because they are more likely to develop and teams have more invested in them, not so they don't have make "an admission of failure." No one is deliberately starting worse players to protect anyone's reputation -- if they don't win, they all get fired, so that's what they try to do. And none of that applies, at all, to 2nd vs 4th round RB in their 2nd and 3rd years. Miami knew what they had in both guys going in to the season.That is not as ridiculous as you make it sound. Ideally, the best players should always be on the field, but some teams do give priority opportunity to the higher drafted players because to not do so would be an admission of failure of whoever made the draft decision. Unfortunately, not every team can be like the Saints, where a free agent is given the same opportunity to prove themselves as a high draft pick.
Yeah, conversations like that never happen in corporate America. I'm sure they don't happen in the NFL either.
Evidently you're missing the part where losses get GMs fired, too. Or the part where the coach can walk into the owner's office down the hall and ask why he isn't able to try to win this week's game.
The mental gymnastics FF owners will go through to avoid admitting a mistake is truly bizarre. Dumb coaches, GM conspiracy theories, etc all to avoid the obvious conclusion in a case like this.
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I traded Miller away in the only league I owned him in, but I still considered myself a supporter and would buy him cheaply if I could, but truth be told, Miller didn't look as good as some want to claim he did, and Daniel Thomas wasn't as bad as some want to claim that he is. This was simply the case where the team used two average type talents with different skill sets, since neither guys proved he was worthy of handling a bigger load. The horrendous o-line that Miami fielded obviously didn't help either back be productive either - but the issue of playing time was settled on the field, not in the back offices.Great point. Because rotating in Daniel Thomas made Jeff Ireland look so much better. In fact, that's probably what saved his job. Oh wait..."Hey, bud, how's it going? Remember that guy I was really high on? My boss isn't too thrilled about how he's turned out. You need to make sure he has an opportunity to shine, or at least give the appearance that he's contributing to the team. You know I'm your boss, right? I brought you into this world, and I can take you out. If you make me look bad, it won't end well for you."You are entitled to your opinion. We will have to agree to disagree.It's absolutely ridiculous to believe that teams operate this way. Higher draft choices obviously get more playing time, but it's because they are more likely to develop and teams have more invested in them, not so they don't have make "an admission of failure." No one is deliberately starting worse players to protect anyone's reputation -- if they don't win, they all get fired, so that's what they try to do. And none of that applies, at all, to 2nd vs 4th round RB in their 2nd and 3rd years. Miami knew what they had in both guys going in to the season.That is not as ridiculous as you make it sound. Ideally, the best players should always be on the field, but some teams do give priority opportunity to the higher drafted players because to not do so would be an admission of failure of whoever made the draft decision. Unfortunately, not every team can be like the Saints, where a free agent is given the same opportunity to prove themselves as a high draft pick.
Yeah, conversations like that never happen in corporate America. I'm sure they don't happen in the NFL either.
Evidently you're missing the part where losses get GMs fired, too. Or the part where the coach can walk into the owner's office down the hall and ask why he isn't able to try to win this week's game.
The mental gymnastics FF owners will go through to avoid admitting a mistake is truly bizarre. Dumb coaches, GM conspiracy theories, etc all to avoid the obvious conclusion in a case like this.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
I traded Miller away in the only league I owned him in, but I still considered myself a supporter and would buy him cheaply if I could, but truth be told, Miller didn't look as good as some want to claim he did, and Daniel Thomas wasn't as bad as some want to claim that he is. This was simply the case where the team used two average type talents with different skill sets, since neither guys proved he was worthy of handling a bigger load. The horrendous o-line that Miami fielded obviously didn't help either back be productive either - but the issue of playing time was settled on the field, not in the back offices.Great point. Because rotating in Daniel Thomas made Jeff Ireland look so much better. In fact, that's probably what saved his job. Oh wait...Evidently you're missing the part where losses get GMs fired, too. Or the part where the coach can walk into the owner's office down the hall and ask why he isn't able to try to win this week's game."Hey, bud, how's it going? Remember that guy I was really high on? My boss isn't too thrilled about how he's turned out. You need to make sure he has an opportunity to shine, or at least give the appearance that he's contributing to the team. You know I'm your boss, right? I brought you into this world, and I can take you out. If you make me look bad, it won't end well for you."You are entitled to your opinion. We will have to agree to disagree.It's absolutely ridiculous to believe that teams operate this way. Higher draft choices obviously get more playing time, but it's because they are more likely to develop and teams have more invested in them, not so they don't have make "an admission of failure." No one is deliberately starting worse players to protect anyone's reputation -- if they don't win, they all get fired, so that's what they try to do. And none of that applies, at all, to 2nd vs 4th round RB in their 2nd and 3rd years. Miami knew what they had in both guys going in to the season.That is not as ridiculous as you make it sound. Ideally, the best players should always be on the field, but some teams do give priority opportunity to the higher drafted players because to not do so would be an admission of failure of whoever made the draft decision. Unfortunately, not every team can be like the Saints, where a free agent is given the same opportunity to prove themselves as a high draft pick.
Yeah, conversations like that never happen in corporate America. I'm sure they don't happen in the NFL either.
The mental gymnastics FF owners will go through to avoid admitting a mistake is truly bizarre. Dumb coaches, GM conspiracy theories, etc all to avoid the obvious conclusion in a case like this.
Skeletore Eh
Footballguy
DMC
Lamar miller
Denarius Moore
For
Fred Jackson
Ace sanders
Roy helu
Lamar miller
Denarius Moore
For
Fred Jackson
Ace sanders
Roy helu
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
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Protocols of Stringer Bell
Footballguy
12 team ppr
Ben Tate
Kendall Wright
For
Z Stacy
Ben Tate
Kendall Wright
For
Z Stacy
ChuckLiddell
Footballguy
I was just minding my own business last night when an offer of Mike Wallace came in for Mark Ingram. I guess all of the Sproles/PT talk out of N.O. got someone pretty excited. I had never accepted a trade on my phone before, but I figured that out right quick, and accepted that offer with no counter, and no discussion.
Its a 12 team Dynasty League with no PPR.
People holding Ingram may want to check the interest level out there. He looked pretty good in a few big games at the end of the year, and many people that are not scouring the news right now may not be aware of the Khiry Robinson hype. I know Wallace was sub par last year, but I am still pretty ecstatic about that return for Ingram.
Its a 12 team Dynasty League with no PPR.
People holding Ingram may want to check the interest level out there. He looked pretty good in a few big games at the end of the year, and many people that are not scouring the news right now may not be aware of the Khiry Robinson hype. I know Wallace was sub par last year, but I am still pretty ecstatic about that return for Ingram.
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