*** OFFICIAL *** 13/14 Off-Season Dynasty Trade Thread (1 Viewer)

[thriftyrocker]

Like the guy getting Khiry/Benjamin/etc for Rice and Robinson sides. Especially good haul for Rice.

How did Benjamin and Allen fall to 2.9 and 2.12?

Guy buying Rice has Pierce and is trying to make a hard push.

Guy buying Olsen had Rudolph and Finley as main TEs in a 14 tm.

In both drafts, those were the last of the marquee WR on the board. Not too many reaches, really.

 

[Buckna]

12 team PPR startup:

Team A: Witten, Latavius Murray

Team B: Jordan Reed

Team A sold low on Reed. Must be very high on Murray.

I'm not high on him playing a long time due to concussions, but should've got more for Reed.

Even worse when considering Team B just drafted Reed at 7.01 like a week ago. Witten went 11.07 & Murray at 15.07

Though Team A got Witten at big time value! Buck are you DDT?

Different team in the league. I was too harsh, i should have said "Surprising" instead of "Even worse." Far be it from me to try to run someone else's team, just odd to me someone would spend a realively high pick on Reed and then trade him away so quickly for guys picked much, much later. Could have easily traded down, or even drafted those 2 players himself. For instance he could have taken Witten with his pick in the 10th round instead of a kicker.

 

[cstu]

Gave:

Evans, Mike TBB WR

Olsen, Greg CAR TE

Got:

Sankey, Bishop TEN RB

Eifert, Tyler CIN TE

I was extremely deep at WR (Evans was my 7th WR) and weak at RB. Now have Green, Eifert and Ebron at TE, hoping one turns into a stud.

 

[Adam Harstad]

Gave:

Evans, Mike TBB WR

Olsen, Greg CAR TE

Got:

Sankey, Bishop TEN RB

Eifert, Tyler CIN TE

I was extremely deep at WR (Evans was my 7th WR) and weak at RB. Now have Green, Eifert and Ebron at TE, hoping one turns into a stud.

Deep at WR or not, I still would have preferred the Evans/Olsen side. Especially since you already have a lot of young upside at TE, meaning Eifert is as redundant for you as Evans would have been.

 

[bostonfred]

Sankey is the best player involved in that trade imo so i would happily take that side, but if you like evans better than sankey then i can totally understand taking the evans side.

 

[thriftyrocker]

Gave:

Evans, Mike TBB WR

Olsen, Greg CAR TE

Got:

Sankey, Bishop TEN RB

Eifert, Tyler CIN TE

I was extremely deep at WR (Evans was my 7th WR) and weak at RB. Now have Green, Eifert and Ebron at TE, hoping one turns into a stud.

To me, it's Olsen for free.

 

[cstu]

Gave:

Evans, Mike TBB WR

Olsen, Greg CAR TE

Got:

Sankey, Bishop TEN RB

Eifert, Tyler CIN TE

I was extremely deep at WR (Evans was my 7th WR) and weak at RB. Now have Green, Eifert and Ebron at TE, hoping one turns into a stud.

Deep at WR or not, I still would have preferred the Evans/Olsen side. Especially since you already have a lot of young upside at TE, meaning Eifert is as redundant for you as Evans would have been.

Julio, Jeffery, Cobb, Hopkins, Floyd, Watkins, A Robinson, P Richardson in a start 4 WR max league. My only R B'S who will contribute this year are Gio and Ridley. Even with starting 1 I didn't feel comfortable with that. As for the TE'S Green and Ebron aren't proven and I feel good that one of them breaks out.

 

[cstu]

Gave:

Evans, Mike TBB WR

Olsen, Greg CAR TE

Got:

Sankey, Bishop TEN RB

Eifert, Tyler CIN TE

I was extremely deep at WR (Evans was my 7th WR) and weak at RB. Now have Green, Eifert and Ebron at TE, hoping one turns into a stud.

To me, it's Olsen for free.

I don't disagree but all the RB I was trying to get were going to cost even more.

 

[Adam Harstad]

Gave:

Evans, Mike TBB WR

Olsen, Greg CAR TE

Got:

Sankey, Bishop TEN RB

Eifert, Tyler CIN TE

I was extremely deep at WR (Evans was my 7th WR) and weak at RB. Now have Green, Eifert and Ebron at TE, hoping one turns into a stud.

Deep at WR or not, I still would have preferred the Evans/Olsen side. Especially since you already have a lot of young upside at TE, meaning Eifert is as redundant for you as Evans would have been.

Julio, Jeffery, Cobb, Hopkins, Floyd, Watkins, A Robinson, P Richardson in a start 4 WR max league. My only R B'S who will contribute this year are Gio and Ridley. Even with starting 1 I didn't feel comfortable with that. As for the TE'S Green and Ebron aren't proven and I feel good that one of them breaks out.

Yeah, I still would have preferred the Evans/Olsen side. I made pretty much the opposite move earlier this offseason- on a team that was much deeper at WR than RB, I traded a young cornerstone RB in a package that netted me three more receivers. From a roster composition standpoint, it made no sense- it completely unbalanced my team. Based on staff consensus rankings, I'm now rocking Michael Crabtree and Larry Fitzgerald as my #7 and #8 receivers in a start-3 league, and relying on Rice/Pierce as my RB3 when I must start 2 every week. On the other hand, from a talent acquisition standpoint, I feel like I have a much better and more talented team after the trade than I did before the trade.

I think your trade makes your team look better from a roster composition standpoint, but I think your team is less talented today than it was yesterday. JMO.

 

[Eminence]

Gave:

Evans, Mike TBB WR

Olsen, Greg CAR TE

Got:

Sankey, Bishop TEN RB

Eifert, Tyler CIN TE

I was extremely deep at WR (Evans was my 7th WR) and weak at RB. Now have Green, Eifert and Ebron at TE, hoping one turns into a stud.

Value-wise, not bad. I would suggest trying to flip Sankey again for even increased value. He's going to see a lot of stacked boxes with Locker at QB.

 

[Gottabesweet]

Not involved, deep league

Marlon Brown

Mike Gilliese

For

Mark Ingram

Adrian Robinson

 

[Khy]

Gave:

Evans, Mike TBB WR

Olsen, Greg CAR TE

Got:

Sankey, Bishop TEN RB

Eifert, Tyler CIN TE

I was extremely deep at WR (Evans was my 7th WR) and weak at RB. Now have Green, Eifert and Ebron at TE, hoping one turns into a stud.

Deep at WR or not, I still would have preferred the Evans/Olsen side. Especially since you already have a lot of young upside at TE, meaning Eifert is as redundant for you as Evans would have been.

Julio, Jeffery, Cobb, Hopkins, Floyd, Watkins, A Robinson, P Richardson in a start 4 WR max league. My only R B'S who will contribute this year are Gio and Ridley. Even with starting 1 I didn't feel comfortable with that. As for the TE'S Green and Ebron aren't proven and I feel good that one of them breaks out.

Yeah, I still would have preferred the Evans/Olsen side. I made pretty much the opposite move earlier this offseason- on a team that was much deeper at WR than RB, I traded a young cornerstone RB in a package that netted me three more receivers. From a roster composition standpoint, it made no sense- it completely unbalanced my team. Based on staff consensus rankings, I'm now rocking Michael Crabtree and Larry Fitzgerald as my #7 and #8 receivers in a start-3 league, and relying on Rice/Pierce as my RB3 when I must start 2 every week. On the other hand, from a talent acquisition standpoint, I feel like I have a much better and more talented team after the trade than I did before the trade.

I think your trade makes your team look better from a roster composition standpoint, but I think your team is less talented today than it was yesterday. JMO.

Not just that... but if you're that loaded at WR? Why not try to move Julio, Jeffery, Cobb, Hopkins, Floyd or Watkins for an Elite RB or at least an RB1 instead of someone like Sankey who might be an RB2 for a season or two at best then likely fade away.

 

[cstu]

If I thought that's what Sankey is then I wouldn't have traded for him.

 

[DepthCharts]

Gave:

Evans, Mike TBB WR

Olsen, Greg CAR TE

Got:

Sankey, Bishop TEN RB

Eifert, Tyler CIN TE

I was extremely deep at WR (Evans was my 7th WR) and weak at RB. Now have Green, Eifert and Ebron at TE, hoping one turns into a stud.

I labored over 2 days I think on this offer. It wasn't as cut and dry for me as it may appear. I do think rosters come into play a lot in this one. I knew he was deep at WR, I was deep at RB (per se), it just took us a while to find the right pieces. Personally, i still believe in Eifert long term....that was my holdup, not Sankey. says the Seattle/UW homer

 

[bengalbuck]

Devy league trade:

Quinshad Davis

for

Sammie Coates

 

[thriftyrocker]

If I thought that's what Sankey is then I wouldn't have traded for him.

If Sankey delivers this year even as a RB2, then flip value is pretty high next year no matter what anyone thinks of his talent level. I'm not high on him, but give him starter's receptions and TDs and it's hard not to take a chance on him.. From your other message, it seemed you were only shopping for young cornerstone RB and this was the only one you didn't get priced out of. It's not a strategy I would follow but its misguided to think he's at any risk to evaporate value. Even if they draft a compliment next year, which I highly suspect, there'll still be supporters who want him.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

If I thought that's what Sankey is then I wouldn't have traded for him.

If Sankey delivers this year even as a RB2, then flip value is pretty high next year no matter what anyone thinks of his talent level. I'm not high on him, but give him starter's receptions and TDs and it's hard not to take a chance on him.. From your other message, it seemed you were only shopping for young cornerstone RB and this was the only one you didn't get priced out of. It's not a strategy I would follow but its misguided to think he's at any risk to evaporate value. Even if they draft a compliment next year, which I highly suspect, there'll still be supporters who want him.

Huh? Not commenting on the trade or on Sankey himself at all here, but ANY rookie is at risk to see a decline in value. If Sankey (or insert any rookie here) just sucks and can't beat out Greene (or _____________ mediocre veteran) his value will absolutely be down pretty significantly next year. And IMO it looks fairly likely that there will be a few RBs in next year's class that will be threats to be more than a complement to anyone outside of the elite guys (although it's way too early to say that definitively). Pretty much no player carries zero risk of a value decrease year over year.

 

[valhallan]

I mean, if you were allowed to assemble Julio, Jeffery, Cobb, Hopkins, Floyd and Watkins on one squad, you're probably going to win that league in your sleep anyway. What are the other owners doing?

EDIT - oh, and Evans too

 

[Greggity]

Gave up Brady/MJD, Austin Seferian Jenkins, Richard Rogers

Got

Demarco Murray/Lance Dunbar

I was pretty deep at qb and te so i felt i gave up some depth for Demarco. Have Foles, McCown and Flacco at qb and Ebron, Kelce and Ausberry at TE

 

[jeaton6]

Gave up Brady/MJD, Austin Seferian Jenkins, Richard Rogers

Got

Demarco Murray/Lance Dunbar

I was pretty deep at qb and te so i felt i gave up some depth for Demarco. Have Foles, McCown and Flacco at qb and Ebron, Kelce and Ausberry at TE

Robbery.

 

[Evil G]

12 Team PPR SuperFlex, TE Premium

Gave: Corderelle Patterson, Rashad Jennings

Got: Josh Gordon

Rebuilding year for me...big gamble

 

[bengalbuck]

12 Team PPR SuperFlex, TE Premium

Gave: Corderelle Patterson, Rashad Jennings

Got: Josh Gordon

Rebuilding year for me...big gamble

Seems like a huge overpayment based on his current value. I just drafted Gordon in the 5th round of a dynasty startup. Patterson is a consensus 2nd round startup pick.

 

[cstu]

If I thought that's what Sankey is then I wouldn't have traded for him.

If Sankey delivers this year even as a RB2, then flip value is pretty high next year no matter what anyone thinks of his talent level. I'm not high on him, but give him starter's receptions and TDs and it's hard not to take a chance on him.. From your other message, it seemed you were only shopping for young cornerstone RB and this was the only one you didn't get priced out of. It's not a strategy I would follow but its misguided to think he's at any risk to evaporate value. Even if they draft a compliment next year, which I highly suspect, there'll still be supporters who want him.

Huh? Not commenting on the trade or on Sankey himself at all here, but ANY rookie is at risk to see a decline in value. If Sankey (or insert any rookie here) just sucks and can't beat out Greene (or _____________ mediocre veteran) his value will absolutely be down pretty significantly next year. And IMO it looks fairly likely that there will be a few RBs in next year's class that will be threats to be more than a complement to anyone outside of the elite guys (although it's way too early to say that definitively). Pretty much no player carries zero risk of a value decrease year over year.

Bernard averaged 4.1 YPC last year and only had 170 carries but has an ADP higher than the best rookie WR last year (Allen). Barring a major injury he'll be rated a top 10 RB next year if he does even close to what Bernard did (which I think he will). I don't see Greene as any more of a threat to Sankey than BJGE was to Bernard. By the way, there's just as much risk with Evans as Sankey as they are both rookies so I think the risk a wash.

 

[cstu]

I mean, if you were allowed to assemble Julio, Jeffery, Cobb, Hopkins, Floyd and Watkins on one squad, you're probably going to win that league in your sleep anyway. What are the other owners doing?

EDIT - oh, and Evans too

Not the league's fault - I just decided to go young (Julio, Cobb, Floyd, Hopkins) in the start up draft and got very lucky that two 1st's I traded for during the draft ended up 1.1 and 1.2.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

If I thought that's what Sankey is then I wouldn't have traded for him.

If Sankey delivers this year even as a RB2, then flip value is pretty high next year no matter what anyone thinks of his talent level. I'm not high on him, but give him starter's receptions and TDs and it's hard not to take a chance on him.. From your other message, it seemed you were only shopping for young cornerstone RB and this was the only one you didn't get priced out of. It's not a strategy I would follow but its misguided to think he's at any risk to evaporate value. Even if they draft a compliment next year, which I highly suspect, there'll still be supporters who want him.

Huh? Not commenting on the trade or on Sankey himself at all here, but ANY rookie is at risk to see a decline in value. If Sankey (or insert any rookie here) just sucks and can't beat out Greene (or _____________ mediocre veteran) his value will absolutely be down pretty significantly next year. And IMO it looks fairly likely that there will be a few RBs in next year's class that will be threats to be more than a complement to anyone outside of the elite guys (although it's way too early to say that definitively). Pretty much no player carries zero risk of a value decrease year over year.

Bernard averaged 4.1 YPC last year and only had 170 carries but has an ADP higher than the best rookie WR last year (Allen). Barring a major injury he'll be rated a top 10 RB next year if he does even close to what Bernard did (which I think he will). I don't see Greene as any more of a threat to Sankey than BJGE was to Bernard. By the way, there's just as much risk with Evans as Sankey as they are both rookies so I think the risk a wash.

I agree that Sankey's value is likely to go up or hold steady -- I just don't see it as a certainty.

Last year's class was an outlier IMO, in that it represented a perfect storm of good FF situations / crappy existing dynasty RB crop -- it drove a bunch of players' values higher than they should be. It could happen with Sankey also, but there's also a non-zero chance that he just sucks and flames out too. Yeah, the same can be said for Evans, but in my experience good dynasty owners are going to be far more forgiving of a slow start from a WR than a RB that faces crappy competition.

Again, not saying your trade was a bad one, although I'm higher on Evans than most and also lower on Sankey, so I wouldn't have done it. I'm just saying that looking at any rookie (any player actually) as an asset GUARANTEED to improve in value is a mistake.

 

[thriftyrocker]

I'm just saying that looking at any rookie (any player actually) as an asset GUARANTEED to improve in value is a mistake.

Of course that's not what I said. Evaporate implies lose and leaves the option to hold steady. I am speaking in absolutes and of course that's absolutely improper for such a formal media. I think "disappointing" risk is already built into his price. Given the anticipation of starters touches, his value won't change much even if he's mediocre. Richardson has a similar ADP value. If he sucks, people will buy for the bounce back because he will still be a young RB drafted high. God bless the free market system.

 

[tdmills]

14 team devy dynasty ppr(.75/1/1.25)

Team a gave: Ingram, g Jennings, Bowie, 2015 devy(top 3)

Team b gave: L. Treadwell, ertz, lyerla

 

[gandalas]

Gave:

Brady

Fitzgerald

Gates

Vance McDonald

2015 2nd (mid-round most likely)

Got:

Bradford

Ray Rice

Toby Gerhart

Wes Welker

Tavon Austin

Kyle Rudolph

2-qb league, so losing Brady Hurts. But I needed RBs badly, and gained a lot at TE while not losing a bunch at WR

 

[jeaton6]

12 Team PPR SuperFlex, TE Premium

Gave: Corderelle Patterson, Rashad Jennings

Got: Josh Gordon

Rebuilding year for me...big gamble

Seems like a huge overpayment based on his current value. I just drafted Gordon in the 5th round of a dynasty startup. Patterson is a consensus 2nd round startup pick.

Agreed. Even if Jennings were on the Gordon side I'd still prefer Patterson.

 

[Adam Harstad]

If I thought that's what Sankey is then I wouldn't have traded for him.

If Sankey delivers this year even as a RB2, then flip value is pretty high next year no matter what anyone thinks of his talent level. I'm not high on him, but give him starter's receptions and TDs and it's hard not to take a chance on him.. From your other message, it seemed you were only shopping for young cornerstone RB and this was the only one you didn't get priced out of. It's not a strategy I would follow but its misguided to think he's at any risk to evaporate value. Even if they draft a compliment next year, which I highly suspect, there'll still be supporters who want him.

Huh? Not commenting on the trade or on Sankey himself at all here, but ANY rookie is at risk to see a decline in value. If Sankey (or insert any rookie here) just sucks and can't beat out Greene (or _____________ mediocre veteran) his value will absolutely be down pretty significantly next year. And IMO it looks fairly likely that there will be a few RBs in next year's class that will be threats to be more than a complement to anyone outside of the elite guys (although it's way too early to say that definitively). Pretty much no player carries zero risk of a value decrease year over year.

Which is another argument for using future 1st round picks as an investment tool.

 

[Adam Harstad]

If I thought that's what Sankey is then I wouldn't have traded for him.

If Sankey delivers this year even as a RB2, then flip value is pretty high next year no matter what anyone thinks of his talent level. I'm not high on him, but give him starter's receptions and TDs and it's hard not to take a chance on him.. From your other message, it seemed you were only shopping for young cornerstone RB and this was the only one you didn't get priced out of. It's not a strategy I would follow but its misguided to think he's at any risk to evaporate value. Even if they draft a compliment next year, which I highly suspect, there'll still be supporters who want him.

Huh? Not commenting on the trade or on Sankey himself at all here, but ANY rookie is at risk to see a decline in value. If Sankey (or insert any rookie here) just sucks and can't beat out Greene (or _____________ mediocre veteran) his value will absolutely be down pretty significantly next year. And IMO it looks fairly likely that there will be a few RBs in next year's class that will be threats to be more than a complement to anyone outside of the elite guys (although it's way too early to say that definitively). Pretty much no player carries zero risk of a value decrease year over year.

Bernard averaged 4.1 YPC last year and only had 170 carries but has an ADP higher than the best rookie WR last year (Allen). Barring a major injury he'll be rated a top 10 RB next year if he does even close to what Bernard did (which I think he will). I don't see Greene as any more of a threat to Sankey than BJGE was to Bernard. By the way, there's just as much risk with Evans as Sankey as they are both rookies so I think the risk a wash.

You conveniently left out Gio's 56 receptions, 9.2 yards per reception, and 13th place fantasy finish in PPR leagues despite being on the short end of a timeshare. Gio's value didn't rise by default, like you seem to imply. Gio's value rose because he was a borderline fantasy RB1 and he looked like a straight baller.

Now, if Sankey puts up a 13th-place finish and drops a few jaws along the way, then sure, his ADP will rise. That's far from a foregone conclusion, though. Last year's RB corps was an aberration- over the previous 5 seasons, here were the RBs drafted in the second round: Isaiah Pead, LaMichael James, Ryan Williams, Shane Vereen, Mikel Leshoure, Daniel Thomas, Toby Gerhart, Ben Tate, Montario Hardesty, Lesean McCoy, Matt Forte, Ray Rice. How many of those saw their value go up between year N and year N+1? Forte for sure. McCoy's bumped up a little bit. Everyone else saw their value drop to one degree or another, either because someone else outplayed them for the job (Pead, James, Vereen, Gerhart, Tate, Rice), or because they got hurt (Williams, Leshoure, Tate, Hardesty), or because year N+1 saw the team invest in another RB (James, Pead, Leshoure, Thomas), and often some combination.

Evans could certainly see his value decline, but I do agree with Coeur that it's a much smaller risk with top-10 receivers than it is with late 2nd-round RBs.

 

[thriftyrocker]

Evans could certainly see his value decline, but I do agree with Coeur that it's a much smaller risk with top-10 receivers than it is with late 2nd-round RBs.

Evans value is pretty solid. I think there has been a change over the past couple years where high drafted WRs can be mediocre like Floyd and people will still eat them up. The sheer volume of WRs this year has some effect. If guys like OBJ, Matthews and Adams do better than Evans, it certainly has an effect on his value, but not tremendously. His size/upside is just as important as his pedigree. I think OBJ has a lot more value risk outside of return leagues. If Randle does well and OBJ is cemented as the 3rd option, its questionable how useful he'll be and he'll get tagged "better NFL player than fantasy." But ignoring the original trade, Sankey's situation basically has little to do with most of the "generic 2nd round RB" precedent. He's a mediocre RB who will get a lot of touches behind a good oline. People will love him. As I said I don't agree with the strategy of investing in a young RB just cuz, but I don't view it as a risky strategy either.

 

[cstu]

Evans could certainly see his value decline, but I do agree with Coeur that it's a much smaller risk with top-10 receivers than it is with late 2nd-round RBs.

Evans value is pretty solid. I think there has been a change over the past couple years where high drafted WRs can be mediocre like Floyd and people will still eat them up. The sheer volume of WRs this year has some effect. If guys like OBJ, Matthews and Adams do better than Evans, it certainly has an effect on his value, but not tremendously. His size/upside is just as important as his pedigree. I think OBJ has a lot more value risk outside of return leagues. If Randle does well and OBJ is cemented as the 3rd option, its questionable how useful he'll be and he'll get tagged "better NFL player than fantasy." But ignoring the original trade, Sankey's situation basically has little to do with most of the "generic 2nd round RB" precedent. He's a mediocre RB who will get a lot of touches behind a good oline. People will love him. As I said I don't agree with the strategy of investing in a young RB just cuz, but I don't view it as a risky strategy either.

I remember the same talk about Bernard last year and McCoy this year. Half of the RB1's in PPR are built like Sankey.

 

[thriftyrocker]

I remember the same talk about Bernard last year and McCoy this year. Half of the RB1's in PPR are built like Sankey.

They also both have elite phonebooth moves which Sankey completely doesn't. Granted "dances too much" was often seen as a negative on McCoy before it wasn't.

 

[cstu]

If I thought that's what Sankey is then I wouldn't have traded for him.

If Sankey delivers this year even as a RB2, then flip value is pretty high next year no matter what anyone thinks of his talent level. I'm not high on him, but give him starter's receptions and TDs and it's hard not to take a chance on him.. From your other message, it seemed you were only shopping for young cornerstone RB and this was the only one you didn't get priced out of. It's not a strategy I would follow but its misguided to think he's at any risk to evaporate value. Even if they draft a compliment next year, which I highly suspect, there'll still be supporters who want him.

Huh? Not commenting on the trade or on Sankey himself at all here, but ANY rookie is at risk to see a decline in value. If Sankey (or insert any rookie here) just sucks and can't beat out Greene (or _____________ mediocre veteran) his value will absolutely be down pretty significantly next year. And IMO it looks fairly likely that there will be a few RBs in next year's class that will be threats to be more than a complement to anyone outside of the elite guys (although it's way too early to say that definitively). Pretty much no player carries zero risk of a value decrease year over year.

Bernard averaged 4.1 YPC last year and only had 170 carries but has an ADP higher than the best rookie WR last year (Allen). Barring a major injury he'll be rated a top 10 RB next year if he does even close to what Bernard did (which I think he will). I don't see Greene as any more of a threat to Sankey than BJGE was to Bernard. By the way, there's just as much risk with Evans as Sankey as they are both rookies so I think the risk a wash.

You conveniently left out Gio's 56 receptions, 9.2 yards per reception, and 13th place fantasy finish in PPR leagues despite being on the short end of a timeshare. Gio's value didn't rise by default, like you seem to imply. Gio's value rose because he was a borderline fantasy RB1 and he looked like a straight baller.

Now, if Sankey puts up a 13th-place finish and drops a few jaws along the way, then sure, his ADP will rise. That's far from a foregone conclusion, though. Last year's RB corps was an aberration- over the previous 5 seasons, here were the RBs drafted in the second round: Isaiah Pead, LaMichael James, Ryan Williams, Shane Vereen, Mikel Leshoure, Daniel Thomas, Toby Gerhart, Ben Tate, Montario Hardesty, Lesean McCoy, Matt Forte, Ray Rice. How many of those saw their value go up between year N and year N+1? Forte for sure. McCoy's bumped up a little bit. Everyone else saw their value drop to one degree or another, either because someone else outplayed them for the job (Pead, James, Vereen, Gerhart, Tate, Rice), or because they got hurt (Williams, Leshoure, Tate, Hardesty), or because year N+1 saw the team invest in another RB (James, Pead, Leshoure, Thomas), and often some combination.

Evans could certainly see his value decline, but I do agree with Coeur that it's a much smaller risk with top-10 receivers than it is with late 2nd-round RBs.

Chris Johnson didn't drop many jaws last year but still finished RB9. That's the kind of season I envision Sankey having. The Titans were the #4 run blocking team last year and look to be even better. Whisenhunt hand picked Sankey as the #1 RB in the class and RB's in his Chargers offense combined for 112 receptions. Sankey was primarily picked for his receiving ability and ability to be a 3 down back:

"Really what he brings to us is a great deal of versatility, vision, feet, ability to catch the football, which is what we're looking for," GM Webster said. "The important thing for us in picking one of these backs was to get the right fit for coach's offense and versatility, the ability to play on three downs was really one of the main criteria."

As for the value decline, I agree WR's are safer but Evans sitting on my bench won't help me win like Sankey can.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

I mean, if you were allowed to assemble Julio, Jeffery, Cobb, Hopkins, Floyd and Watkins on one squad, you're probably going to win that league in your sleep anyway. What are the other owners doing?

EDIT - oh, and Evans too

I don't get it. There are teams in all my leagues with similar WR corps. It's very possible, and I've seen many better, too.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

I mean, if you were allowed to assemble Julio, Jeffery, Cobb, Hopkins, Floyd and Watkins on one squad, you're probably going to win that league in your sleep anyway. What are the other owners doing?

EDIT - oh, and Evans too

I don't get it. There are teams in all my leagues with similar WR corps. It's very possible, and I've seen many better, too.

In one of my leagues alone there are WR corps of Calvin / Dez / Cobb, AJG / Julio / Crabtree, and Gordon / Jeffrey / Allen / Roddy / Decker. The group above is strong, certainly, but nothing at all out of the ordinary.

 

[matttyl]

Gore and Gordon and a late rookie pick were just traded for...

T Rich, T West, and T Austin

No idea how to think of it.

 

[thriftyrocker]

12 tm 0.5 ppr (return yard)

1.11 (MLee)

2.9

for

Michael Floyd

 

[Khy]

I mean, if you were allowed to assemble Julio, Jeffery, Cobb, Hopkins, Floyd and Watkins on one squad, you're probably going to win that league in your sleep anyway. What are the other owners doing?

EDIT - oh, and Evans too

I don't get it. There are teams in all my leagues with similar WR corps. It's very possible, and I've seen many better, too.

In one of my leagues alone there are WR corps of Calvin / Dez / Cobb, AJG / Julio / Crabtree, and Gordon / Jeffrey / Allen / Roddy / Decker. The group above is strong, certainly, but nothing at all out of the ordinary.

I think people are forgetting things like... Jeffery, Cobb, Decker these guys weren't first round dyno picks (at least not often). They were early to mid 2nd rounders. Sometimes it's all about luck or simply actually understanding how to scout. You figure ADP when Cobb came out was like... AJ, Ingram, Julio, LeShoure, Cam, Ryan Williams, Daniel Thomas, Greg LIttle, Shane Vereen, Jon Baldwin, hell in some of my leagues even guys like Delone Carter were going off the board before Cobb. I feel like on average maybe 4-6 of a 12 team first round actually succeed. The rest of the guys are usually 2nd round or later picks.

 

[cstu]

I mean, if you were allowed to assemble Julio, Jeffery, Cobb, Hopkins, Floyd and Watkins on one squad, you're probably going to win that league in your sleep anyway. What are the other owners doing?

EDIT - oh, and Evans too

I don't get it. There are teams in all my leagues with similar WR corps. It's very possible, and I've seen many better, too.

In one of my leagues alone there are WR corps of Calvin / Dez / Cobb, AJG / Julio / Crabtree, and Gordon / Jeffrey / Allen / Roddy / Decker. The group above is strong, certainly, but nothing at all out of the ordinary.

I'd say the first one is completely out of the ordinary. Could he not get DT as well?

 

[Coeur de Lion]

I mean, if you were allowed to assemble Julio, Jeffery, Cobb, Hopkins, Floyd and Watkins on one squad, you're probably going to win that league in your sleep anyway. What are the other owners doing?

EDIT - oh, and Evans too

I don't get it. There are teams in all my leagues with similar WR corps. It's very possible, and I've seen many better, too.

In one of my leagues alone there are WR corps of Calvin / Dez / Cobb, AJG / Julio / Crabtree, and Gordon / Jeffrey / Allen / Roddy / Decker. The group above is strong, certainly, but nothing at all out of the ordinary.

I'd say the first one is completely out of the ordinary. Could he not get DT as well?

Those are two seperate teams -- / = same team, and , seperates them. Oddly enough, I won that league going away last year with crappy WRs outside of Brandon Marshall, due to Charles, McCoy, and Matthews at RB.

 

[One More Rep]

12 tm 0.5 ppr (return yard)

1.11 (MLee)

2.9

for

Michael Floyd

Pretty cheap for Floyd

 

[thriftyrocker]

12 team 0.5 ppr (return yards)

1.12

for

Trent

14 team 0.5 ppr

4.4

Leshoure

for

McCown

 

[mzkp54]

Geno Smith

for

Joe Flacco, '15 4th

 

[squistion]

Gore and Gordon and a late rookie pick were just traded for...

T Rich, T West, and T Austin

No idea how to think of it.

That would be my take on it too...Gordon and TRich both have their fan clubs and detractors. Meanwhile Gore may or may not be on his last legs. T. West is an unproven rookie and it is still an open question whether Austin will turn out to be the player the Rams thought they drafted or ultimately a bust.

The trade makes the best sense viewed through the prism that the owners looked through on each of these players (which unfortunately we don't know).

 

[bmsarvis]

I mean, if you were allowed to assemble Julio, Jeffery, Cobb, Hopkins, Floyd and Watkins on one squad, you're probably going to win that league in your sleep anyway. What are the other owners doing?

EDIT - oh, and Evans too

I don't get it. There are teams in all my leagues with similar WR corps. It's very possible, and I've seen many better, too.

My wrs. Aj green, DT , gordon , Patterson , harvin + been in the league 4 or 5 yrs haven't won a playoff game yet... .5 PPR start 2 to 3

 

[bmsarvis]

12 tm 0.5 ppr (return yard)

1.11 (MLee)

2.9

for

Michael Floyd

Pretty cheap for Floyd

12 tm 0.5 ppr (return yard)

1.11 (MLee)

2.9

for

Michael Floyd

Pretty cheap for Floyd

I'd trade Floyd for just Lee straight up!

 

[One More Rep]

12 tm 0.5 ppr (return yard)

1.11 (MLee)

2.9

for

Michael Floyd

Pretty cheap for Floyd

12 tm 0.5 ppr (return yard)

1.11 (MLee)

2.9

for

Michael Floyd

Pretty cheap for Floyd

I'd trade Floyd for just Lee straight up!

Not saying it can't work out for you, but not many would deal Floyd for Lee

 

[slackjawedyokel]

12 tm 0.5 ppr (return yard)

1.11 (MLee)

2.9

for

Michael Floyd

Pretty cheap for Floyd

12 tm 0.5 ppr (return yard)

1.11 (MLee)

2.9

for

Michael Floyd

Pretty cheap for Floyd

I'd trade Floyd for just Lee straight up!

Not saying it can't work out for you, but not many would deal Floyd for Lee

Yeah I'm thinking Floyd is the favorite here.