the moops
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Carlos Guillen should have gotten one too.
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***Official 2008 DETROIT TIGERS Thread*** (2 Viewers)
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Bob Henry
Footballguy
Kudos to Polanco for his Gold Glove. He deserved it, though Mark Ellis had a nice year, too. Pudge probably doesn't deserve one, but his reputation still carries a lot of weight in the voting circles. The main one I wanted to comment on was Grady Sizemore getting a GG over our own Curtis Granderson. That's a sham. Tori Hunter didn't have his best year in the field, but I don't have an issue with him or Ichiro. Both made plenty of plays and both get some of the same consideration as Pudge for previous seasons of excellence. Ichiro is the bomb, though, but Granderson (at least in my Tiger-blinded opinion) had a superior year in the field compared to Sizemore. Too bad he didn't get the hardware.
I like Doctor Detroit's thinking on Gagne and Dotel, too. I still think Jones is a Tiger in 2008, but it would be nice to get some more help back there with Zumaya's situation.
I like how Dombrowski played the ### for tat with Boras on Kenny.. Not a day or two after Boras announced that Rogers will consider other offers, blahblahblah, news comes out of the Tigers interest in Dontrelle Willis. Of course, this isn't new. We've asked about Willis before. I just don't think anything would or could actually get done there that we as fans would be happy about. After nabbing Renteria, I'm not sure who we'd be comfortable dealing to get DW. Nice thought, but I don't see it happening. Kenny will be back, Boras just needs to do his thing and try to squeeze DD and Ilitch for another mill.
I like Doctor Detroit's thinking on Gagne and Dotel, too. I still think Jones is a Tiger in 2008, but it would be nice to get some more help back there with Zumaya's situation.
I like how Dombrowski played the ### for tat with Boras on Kenny.. Not a day or two after Boras announced that Rogers will consider other offers, blahblahblah, news comes out of the Tigers interest in Dontrelle Willis. Of course, this isn't new. We've asked about Willis before. I just don't think anything would or could actually get done there that we as fans would be happy about. After nabbing Renteria, I'm not sure who we'd be comfortable dealing to get DW. Nice thought, but I don't see it happening. Kenny will be back, Boras just needs to do his thing and try to squeeze DD and Ilitch for another mill.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
How rare is it for a player to get both a gold glove & silver slugger in the same year?
And do they have a pitching award called the bronze arm?
And do they have a pitching award called the bronze arm?
Bob Henry
Footballguy
Not sure, but Polanco pulled it off. Par for the course for Ichiro.
skillz
Footballguy
Has the Infante for Jacque Jones deal been confirmed yet? All I can see on espn.com and freep.com is that the deal is "close" to being done.
If it does get done, it looks like Jones will be the starting left fielder next year with Thames and Raburn also in the mix. Maybin will probably spend the year in AAA which is fine with me. Presumably, he'll take over in 2008 when Jones' contract expires.
Infante looked like an odd man out since Renteria is going to be the everyday SS and Santiago can back Renteria and Polanco up, if necessary.
If it does get done, it looks like Jones will be the starting left fielder next year with Thames and Raburn also in the mix. Maybin will probably spend the year in AAA which is fine with me. Presumably, he'll take over in 2008 when Jones' contract expires.
Infante looked like an odd man out since Renteria is going to be the everyday SS and Santiago can back Renteria and Polanco up, if necessary.
whoknew
Footballguy
I just don't understand this trade at all. Its like Neifi redux.
Doctor Detroit
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Maybin will probably be in Erie for most if not all year. Infante has no value to the team, Jones will platoon with either Thames or Rayburn in LF. It's a crap trade but it's better than having Timo in LF.
Sammy3469
Footballguy
Perez?
Bob Henry
Footballguy
Also, I'm sure Rayburn's play from this summer and his flexibility (can play the infield, too) helped Dombrowski make this deal. Rayburn can help Santiago provide depth in the infield, plus he gives us an optional extra OF, too.
Jones is on the downside of his career, but he's better than what we had as a fielder and I think he might actually be helped by Comerica, more than hurt.
Jones is on the downside of his career, but he's better than what we had as a fielder and I think he might actually be helped by Comerica, more than hurt.
Doctor Detroit
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Sammy3469
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Dear gawd....he was bad even when he was supposedly OK.
Doctor Detroit
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He actually played surprisingly well down the stretch for the Tigers and came up with some key hits. But I don't think there is one Tiger fan that wants to see him in LF for 75 to 100 games in 2008. Unless its in Toledo.Dear gawd....he was bad even when he was supposedly OK.
I think I saw JJ on a list of players for batting average with RISP with 2 outs for this year. I could not believe it. Living in MN I saw plenty of Jones. He seems to be a great guy that is always having fun and should fit well in the clubhouse. Not sure the Tigers need another free swinger, and I do not even want to think about Jacques eratic arm.
Doctor Detroit
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DETROIT -- The Detroit Tigers today announced that they have agreed to terms with righthanded pitcher Todd Jones on a one-year contract for the 2008 season."We are very happy to have Todd Jones back with the club next season," Tigers President, Chief Executive Office and General Manager David Dombrowski said. "He is a quality veteran presence on our pitching staff and we look forward to having him back in the bullpen in 2008."Jones posted 38 saves in 63 appearances with the Tigers in 2007, marking his third consecutive season with 35-or-more saves. Jones is the Tigers' all-time saves leader with 217 saves in a Tigers uniform and he is one of just 14 pitchers in major league history to record 200-or-more saves with one team. He also became the 21st pitcher in major league history to record 300 career saves, accomplishing the feat on September 16 at Minnesota.Jones has posted a 3.93 ERA (1030.1IP/450ER) and 301 saves in 937 career appearances at the major league level.
Your Mother
Footballguy
Horrible.
skillz
Footballguy
Anyone hear a rumor about the Tigers trying to make a deal for Dontrelle Willis? The local sports guy here in Grand Rapids brought it up today. He just said the Tigers were involved in the Willis talks, didn't give any other specifics besides that. I don't even know who they would give up for him. I am sure the Marlins would ask for Maybin (who is untouchable), and maybe Andrew Miller (I would let him go in a heartbeat in order to get Willis). Will be interesting to see if anything develops on that front.
Balco
Footballguy
Why the love for Willis. He is a below average starting pitcher. Is it because he is lefthanded?
Bojang0301
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2-time all star aged 25... yep he sure is below average. Oh, and point to the 5 era last year.
Balco
Footballguy
I shouldn't point out his 5.00 ERA last year? Or his 1.42 Whip the year before. Could be the most overrated pitcher in baseball.2-time all star aged 25... yep he sure is below average. Oh, and point to the 5 era last year.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
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my take so far:
Like the Edgar move
Jaques Jones looked decent before last year. So who knows
Cant wait to Ride Todd Rollercoaster Jones all season again
Sounds like Boras is pullin some BS with Kenny Rogers. Might have to look else where.
Dontrell willis is overrated.
Like the Edgar move
Jaques Jones looked decent before last year. So who knows
Cant wait to Ride Todd Rollercoaster Jones all season again
Sounds like Boras is pullin some BS with Kenny Rogers. Might have to look else where.
Dontrell willis is overrated.
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whoknew
Footballguy
This is really strange because its pretty clear Kenny wants to come back, but he is trying to force the Tigers to pay him more. If he plays this game too long, DD will sign Silva or something and then the Gambler is screwed.
Doctor Detroit
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Tigers are officially in the 100 million dollar salary club at just under 105 million after adding Jones and Jones and they still have to add a starter. Keep in mind however they have a ton of payroll coming off the books in the next two years. I'd guess they'll try to lock up Granderson long-term after next season, and Verlander after 2009.
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
noticed the Twinkies just got Craig monroe, gggllllll
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Rumors are Tigers offered Mariano 4 yrs guaranteed
No way they can come back with the Todd & Rodney show, that won't get it done.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
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OMFG:X No way they can come back with the Todd & Rodney show, that won't get it done.Rumors are Tigers offered Mariano 4 yrs guaranteed
Doctor Detroit
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What's the source? Doesn't seem right but I won't say I think it's entirely impossible either. If you had any link, no matter how third party I'd like to read that.Rumors are Tigers offered Mariano 4 yrs guaranteed
(old news to some, new to me).
ChrisCooleyFan
Footballguy
Kinda shocked the Mets haven't signed him yet.
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
Inning eating pitchers like Hernandez are more valuable than their records indicate.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
And with the Tiger's present bullpen they become even more so. I like Rogers a lot but he's old and starting to break down, Livan might make a decent replacement if necessary.
Greco
Footballguy
He'd love spacious CoPa.
Doctor Detroit
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Wow.
skillz
Footballguy
Rogers just fired Boras. Don't know if that makes it more likely he will return to the Tigers or not. My guess is that he is still gone since the Tigers (and rightfully so) don't want to give him more than a one year deal.
I like the Hernandez move if they can get it done. Our bullpen was overused way too much last year and Hernandez will certainly help out the bullpen.
I was wondering why Rivera hadn't signed his deal yet. It makes sense that a team like the Tigers is offering him a 4th year and made him think about things a bit more. It will be interesting to see if the Yanks try to go to a 4th year if the Tigers have indeed made a 4 yr offer. 4 years is too long since Rivera is on the downside of his career, but we desperately need help at the end of the bullpen and I view the signing as similar to Pudge a few years ago -- you give someone a deal that is a bit too long to entice him to come, but at least you will get that player to come and give you a few years of playing at a high level before the contract ends.
Todd Jones has always said he would never be a set up guy, but I would guess that he wouldn't mind taking a back seat to Rivera. I think Jones' issue was more of taking a back seat to a youngster like Zumaya who never proved himself as a closer before.
I like the Hernandez move if they can get it done. Our bullpen was overused way too much last year and Hernandez will certainly help out the bullpen.
I was wondering why Rivera hadn't signed his deal yet. It makes sense that a team like the Tigers is offering him a 4th year and made him think about things a bit more. It will be interesting to see if the Yanks try to go to a 4th year if the Tigers have indeed made a 4 yr offer. 4 years is too long since Rivera is on the downside of his career, but we desperately need help at the end of the bullpen and I view the signing as similar to Pudge a few years ago -- you give someone a deal that is a bit too long to entice him to come, but at least you will get that player to come and give you a few years of playing at a high level before the contract ends.
Todd Jones has always said he would never be a set up guy, but I would guess that he wouldn't mind taking a back seat to Rivera. I think Jones' issue was more of taking a back seat to a youngster like Zumaya who never proved himself as a closer before.
Doctor Detroit
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One of the more beloved Tigers of the 1980s. Best of luck Tommy at our most important affiliate.
Doctor Detroit
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I think Rogers fired Boras because he wants to pitch for the Tigers.
I think that makes it clear. If the tigers have a fair offer for him, he'll be back.
I still don't see the Tigers doing this. 15 Million dollars a year for a closer is pretty ridiculous especially for a guy who is 38. Rivera will likely be
for the next two years but those last two might not be as good. I think there are too many FA options to consider and they could probably get an Octavio Dotel for two years or three years and half the cost. To me this comes down to Illitch. If he is really smitten with Rivera maybe he will make a move but I don't think this is initiated by Dombrowski. I wouldn't want that salary on the books in 2010 when the Tigers will go through a huge player turnover and need to ink Granderson, Verlander, and maybe Bonderman to long term deals.
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Doctor Detroit
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Couple of different sources are saying the Tigers are talking with Octavio Dotel. Of all the guys on the market this was the one I thought would be the best fit because he can close and when healthy he has a proven track record. He also will come a lot cheaper than Cordero. A two year deal would be fine IMO telling him he has a chance to close this year if Jones faulters, and then is the projected closer in 2009. I think this might be a good scenario for both sides although I'd imagine Dotel is looking for a three year deal.
Doctor Detroit
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Also it is implied that the Tigers and Rogers have reached agreement on a one year deal. They will likely wait until after the Rule 5 Draft next week to make the deal official due to roster maneuvering. Basically this allows the Tigers to protect one additional player in the rule 5 draft and you will notice a steady increase in transactions league-wide once the draft is completed.
Doctor Detroit
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...um, ah, um
"Take it what you will!"
"I'd like to congratulate Magglio Ordonez...um"
"Crap by my standards, um...ah"
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What a ####### n00b.
"Take it what you will!"
"I'd like to congratulate Magglio Ordonez...um"
"Crap by my standards, um...ah"
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What a ####### n00b.
Since the ChiSox released him, I'd like to see the Tigers go after Podsednik. He's always been a Tiger killer. He can play left field. He would add some speed to a lineup that is badly in need of it.
However, after the Jacque Jones deal, LF may no longer be a position of interest for Dombrowski. Also not sure what he would be looking for (years, $ per year).
However, after the Jacque Jones deal, LF may no longer be a position of interest for Dombrowski. Also not sure what he would be looking for (years, $ per year).
Doctor Detroit
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whoknew
Footballguy
Podsednik is AWFUL. The Tigers most certainly don't need him.I'd be surprised if any team signs him. Well I wouldn't, because there's a lot of idiot GMs out there, but he most certainly shouldn't get another MLB job.
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Bob Henry
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This isn't really news, per se, but it's encouraging none the less...
Gushing reports on Porcello
Even if it's a fluff piece, as Tigers fans, we all hope Porcello is the real deal and more Josh Beckett than Ryan Anderson.
Gushing reports on Porcello
Even if it's a fluff piece, as Tigers fans, we all hope Porcello is the real deal and more Josh Beckett than Ryan Anderson.
Please explain...I don't get this one.ETA: By the way, if I'm as dumb as I think I am and this just means "Welcome to the topic/forum", please feel free to berade me with insults and tomatoes. Thanks.
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I used to see him around town at some of the local bars. What a waste of talent. All of his physical talent aside, he just never "got it". The mental side of sports (especially in a game of failures like baseball) is way too underestimated by most. That's why I've always thought of the "dumb jock" thing as somewhat of an oxymoron.Bob Henry said:
Doctor Detroit
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Yeah it means welcome, that's all. I agree with Whoknew about Podsednick though. He belongs on the 2003 Tigers, not the 2008 Tigers.Please explain...I don't get this one.ETA: By the way, if I'm as dumb as I think I am and this just means "Welcome to the topic/forum", please feel free to berade me with insults and tomatoes. Thanks.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Smarts are important, it's how a guy like Kenny Rogers can get more big outs than Jeremy Bonderman, who has much more physical talent at this point.
