*** Official 2009 DETROIT TIGERS THREAD *** (1 Viewer)

[igbomb]

Ugh.Tigers free agents:Huff - Tybe B, offer arbitrationEverett - Pretty ambivalent on this onePolanco - Type A, offer arbitrationWashburn - Let him goLyon - Type B, offer arbitrationRodney - Type B, offer arbitrationI'd also love to see them go get a Bobby Abreu or Chone Figgins for a two year deal even if they have to overpay a little. Or even a Beltre or Crede with a subsequent move of Inge over to SS.Going into next year, I don't know if the Tigers will compete again. They particularly need help at LF, SS and starting pitching.Edit: JJ Hardy might be worth a flier as well. He stunk this year but has a solid history.

Hardy is probably a real good sleeper if people aren't expecting a lot, he could really surprise. Everyone should know by now what a huge Rodney fan I am, but I'm not sure you offer him arbitration after the season he just had (I have him as a borderline Type A btw so link me if you have the B info that is current as of today). I am one of those people who doesn't like to throw huge money at closers, and was on the side of not wanting anything to do with overpaying K-Rod and look how that worked out. Lyon, Dotel, and a few others are going to be lower cost options. Rodney is going to get 8-11 million a year on the open market. They can probably get Lyon for half that. Why not Washburn if he's healthy? Guy was great all year until he hurt that knee and then he just wasn't the same. I think that injury keeps him in the Tigers price range although if he hadn't been injured, we'd have just finished watching them lose to the Yankees because they would have won 88 games+. Anyone he's a type B FA, I'd definitely offer him arbitration. Polanco will be the toughest decision to make this offseason. I would definitely offer him arbitration if he won't take a one year deal (probably won't) but he's likely to get a 3/4 year offer elsewhere. Tigers shouldn't commit to a deal like that but a 2 year deal would be ok i guess. One thing going in the Tigers favor is DeRosa, Brian Roberts, and Felipe Lopez are all FAs which means the market could be saturated a bit. Sizemore by all accounts is ready to play next year, and Tiger fans not familiar with him are going to like what they see. He's an OBP machine with very good range at 2B; he was drafted as a SS but he's not that great there but if Polanco is kept Sizemore could be the utility IF next year backing up SS and 2B. Figgins is gonna get a long-term contract and paid a lot of money. What to do at SS? Cale Iorg is not ready yet, Everett is solid, but I think Ramon Santiago can play there as the primary guy and he'll be just fine. Scutaro is a Type A FA and he'll get the most calls in the offseason for teams needing a SS but he's probably within the Tigers price range on a two year deal. The otehr guys available will be Orlando Cabrera ( ) and a bunch of guys we want no part of. Since Iorg is going to be in a key year next year as far as determining if he's the teams future SS or not, I think having Santiago and Everett or another guy that can play 50 games or so is the best move. Badly need a corner OFer though.

Eddie Bajek at Detroit Tigers Thoughts cracked the formula for determing A's and B's last year and now hosts that info on mlbtraderumors.comRodney is definitely a B. In fact, he barely made B and Lyon actually scored higher. If they offer him arbitration, he'll decline because he wants more than a year (me speculating). And as a B the signing team loses nothing so someone will grab him up and the Tigers get a first round supplemental pick. I definitely don't want them to offer him a multi-year deal. I just view arbitration as a win-win. If he accepts, then they get him for a year at a decent price and can groom Perry to take over in 2010. If he declines, they'll get a pick.I'd be okay with Washburn for a year. But I think the Tigers need a youth movement and signing an older guy to anything more than a year makes me nervous. My biggest beef with Dombrowski is giving too much length in these deals. Also, again per Bajek's rankings, Washburn did not make B status this year. With Polanco, I like arbitration because it really reduces his market value. For a team to sign him as an A, they lose a high pick. So either the Tigers get him at a lower rate (and I wouldn't sign him for more than a year) or they get two early picks. Again, win-win.Ideally, the Tigers will add a SS and OF for reasonable money for a year, maybe two each.OFers - Abreu, HuffSS - Hardy, Cabrera

 

[igbomb]

Ugh.Tigers free agents:Huff - Tybe B, offer arbitrationEverett - Pretty ambivalent on this onePolanco - Type A, offer arbitrationWashburn - Let him goLyon - Type B, offer arbitrationRodney - Type B, offer arbitrationI'd also love to see them go get a Bobby Abreu or Chone Figgins for a two year deal even if they have to overpay a little. Or even a Beltre or Crede with a subsequent move of Inge over to SS.Going into next year, I don't know if the Tigers will compete again. They particularly need help at LF, SS and starting pitching.Edit: JJ Hardy might be worth a flier as well. He stunk this year but has a solid history.

Hardy is probably a real good sleeper if people aren't expecting a lot, he could really surprise. Everyone should know by now what a huge Rodney fan I am, but I'm not sure you offer him arbitration after the season he just had (I have him as a borderline Type A btw so link me if you have the B info that is current as of today). I am one of those people who doesn't like to throw huge money at closers, and was on the side of not wanting anything to do with overpaying K-Rod and look how that worked out. Lyon, Dotel, and a few others are going to be lower cost options. Rodney is going to get 8-11 million a year on the open market. They can probably get Lyon for half that. Why not Washburn if he's healthy? Guy was great all year until he hurt that knee and then he just wasn't the same. I think that injury keeps him in the Tigers price range although if he hadn't been injured, we'd have just finished watching them lose to the Yankees because they would have won 88 games+. Anyone he's a type B FA, I'd definitely offer him arbitration. Polanco will be the toughest decision to make this offseason. I would definitely offer him arbitration if he won't take a one year deal (probably won't) but he's likely to get a 3/4 year offer elsewhere. Tigers shouldn't commit to a deal like that but a 2 year deal would be ok i guess. One thing going in the Tigers favor is DeRosa, Brian Roberts, and Felipe Lopez are all FAs which means the market could be saturated a bit. Sizemore by all accounts is ready to play next year, and Tiger fans not familiar with him are going to like what they see. He's an OBP machine with very good range at 2B; he was drafted as a SS but he's not that great there but if Polanco is kept Sizemore could be the utility IF next year backing up SS and 2B. Figgins is gonna get a long-term contract and paid a lot of money. What to do at SS? Cale Iorg is not ready yet, Everett is solid, but I think Ramon Santiago can play there as the primary guy and he'll be just fine. Scutaro is a Type A FA and he'll get the most calls in the offseason for teams needing a SS but he's probably within the Tigers price range on a two year deal. The otehr guys available will be Orlando Cabrera ( ) and a bunch of guys we want no part of. Since Iorg is going to be in a key year next year as far as determining if he's the teams future SS or not, I think having Santiago and Everett or another guy that can play 50 games or so is the best move. Badly need a corner OFer though.

Eddie Bajek at Detroit Tigers Thoughts cracked the formula for determing A's and B's last year and now hosts that info on mlbtraderumors.comRodney is definitely a B. In fact, he barely made B and Lyon actually scored higher. If they offer him arbitration, he'll decline because he wants more than a year (me speculating). And as a B the signing team loses nothing so someone will grab him up and the Tigers get a first round supplemental pick. I definitely don't want them to offer him a multi-year deal. I just view arbitration as a win-win. If he accepts, then they get him for a year at a decent price and can groom Perry to take over in 2010. If he declines, they'll get a pick.I'd be okay with Washburn for a year. But I think the Tigers need a youth movement and signing an older guy to anything more than a year makes me nervous. My biggest beef with Dombrowski is giving too much length in these deals. Also, again per Bajek's rankings, Washburn did not make B status this year. With Polanco, I like arbitration because it really reduces his market value. For a team to sign him as an A, they lose a high pick. So either the Tigers get him at a lower rate (and I wouldn't sign him for more than a year) or they get two early picks. Again, win-win.Ideally, the Tigers will add a SS and OF for reasonable money for a year, maybe two each.OFers - Abreu, HuffSS - Hardy, Cabrera

For the record, I'm also okay with not signing an OF'er and letting Raburn and Ramirez split the job in left to see if one emerges as a legit corner OFer.

 

[igbomb]

And Comer, I don't share Dr. D's man-love for Dombrowski, but your Debbie Downer perspective sucks.

I certainly don't blame you for not loving everything going on with this time, and there is plenty to criticize. But if this team makes you so miserable, quit trying to bring the rest of us down with you and go hang out in the Royals' and Pirates' threads.

 

[Shakespeare]

And Comer, I don't share Dr. D's man-love for Dombrowski, but your Debbie Downer perspective sucks.I certainly don't blame you for not loving everything going on with this time, and there is plenty to criticize. But if this team makes you so miserable, quit trying to bring the rest of us down with you and go hang out in the Royals' and Pirates' threads.

Now is the winter of our discontentMade glorious summer by this son of York;And all the clouds that low'r'd upon our houseIn the deep bosom of the ocean buried.

 

[Comer]

And Comer, I don't share Dr. D's man-love for Dombrowski, but your Debbie Downer perspective sucks.I certainly don't blame you for not loving everything going on with this time, and there is plenty to criticize. But if this team makes you so miserable, quit trying to bring the rest of us down with you and go hang out in the Royals' and Pirates' threads.

The Tigers are my favorite team. I just want to see the team improve. I just pointed out some of Dombrowski's downfalls. With a 115M payroll and 14th best record just is not good enough for DD to keep his job was all I was saying.Edit to add: I am ready to move past all the BS and want to see what MR I does in the off season with Free Agents.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Ugh.Tigers free agents:Huff - Tybe B, offer arbitrationEverett - Pretty ambivalent on this onePolanco - Type A, offer arbitrationWashburn - Let him goLyon - Type B, offer arbitrationRodney - Type B, offer arbitrationI'd also love to see them go get a Bobby Abreu or Chone Figgins for a two year deal even if they have to overpay a little. Or even a Beltre or Crede with a subsequent move of Inge over to SS.Going into next year, I don't know if the Tigers will compete again. They particularly need help at LF, SS and starting pitching.Edit: JJ Hardy might be worth a flier as well. He stunk this year but has a solid history.

Hardy is probably a real good sleeper if people aren't expecting a lot, he could really surprise. Everyone should know by now what a huge Rodney fan I am, but I'm not sure you offer him arbitration after the season he just had (I have him as a borderline Type A btw so link me if you have the B info that is current as of today). I am one of those people who doesn't like to throw huge money at closers, and was on the side of not wanting anything to do with overpaying K-Rod and look how that worked out. Lyon, Dotel, and a few others are going to be lower cost options. Rodney is going to get 8-11 million a year on the open market. They can probably get Lyon for half that. Why not Washburn if he's healthy? Guy was great all year until he hurt that knee and then he just wasn't the same. I think that injury keeps him in the Tigers price range although if he hadn't been injured, we'd have just finished watching them lose to the Yankees because they would have won 88 games+. Anyone he's a type B FA, I'd definitely offer him arbitration. Polanco will be the toughest decision to make this offseason. I would definitely offer him arbitration if he won't take a one year deal (probably won't) but he's likely to get a 3/4 year offer elsewhere. Tigers shouldn't commit to a deal like that but a 2 year deal would be ok i guess. One thing going in the Tigers favor is DeRosa, Brian Roberts, and Felipe Lopez are all FAs which means the market could be saturated a bit. Sizemore by all accounts is ready to play next year, and Tiger fans not familiar with him are going to like what they see. He's an OBP machine with very good range at 2B; he was drafted as a SS but he's not that great there but if Polanco is kept Sizemore could be the utility IF next year backing up SS and 2B. Figgins is gonna get a long-term contract and paid a lot of money. What to do at SS? Cale Iorg is not ready yet, Everett is solid, but I think Ramon Santiago can play there as the primary guy and he'll be just fine. Scutaro is a Type A FA and he'll get the most calls in the offseason for teams needing a SS but he's probably within the Tigers price range on a two year deal. The otehr guys available will be Orlando Cabrera ( ) and a bunch of guys we want no part of. Since Iorg is going to be in a key year next year as far as determining if he's the teams future SS or not, I think having Santiago and Everett or another guy that can play 50 games or so is the best move. Badly need a corner OFer though.

Eddie Bajek at Detroit Tigers Thoughts cracked the formula for determing A's and B's last year and now hosts that info on mlbtraderumors.comRodney is definitely a B. In fact, he barely made B and Lyon actually scored higher. If they offer him arbitration, he'll decline because he wants more than a year (me speculating). And as a B the signing team loses nothing so someone will grab him up and the Tigers get a first round supplemental pick. I definitely don't want them to offer him a multi-year deal. I just view arbitration as a win-win. If he accepts, then they get him for a year at a decent price and can groom Perry to take over in 2010. If he declines, they'll get a pick.I'd be okay with Washburn for a year. But I think the Tigers need a youth movement and signing an older guy to anything more than a year makes me nervous. My biggest beef with Dombrowski is giving too much length in these deals. Also, again per Bajek's rankings, Washburn did not make B status this year. With Polanco, I like arbitration because it really reduces his market value. For a team to sign him as an A, they lose a high pick. So either the Tigers get him at a lower rate (and I wouldn't sign him for more than a year) or they get two early picks. Again, win-win.Ideally, the Tigers will add a SS and OF for reasonable money for a year, maybe two each.OFers - Abreu, HuffSS - Hardy, Cabrera

Ah yes, with Rodney I forgot it is based on the previous two seasons, not just 2009. So him being a type B makes sense. Offering him arbitration for next season makes sense if you can get a sandwich pick (Only Type As get first rounders). Also a Ramirez/Raburn platoon seems about right, both have the ability. With Raburn if he gets a full spring training just working with Van Slyke in the OF I think he might actually be pretty good out there. He's mostly played IF his entire ML career.

 

[whoknew]

And you know this how?

Some of you guys want to analyze things without watching what is actually going on out on the diamond. Why did Jackson have a bad 2nd half? Did he pitch above expectations in the first half? Why did he pitch above expectations?

EJ pitched above expectations in the first half for sure. In the second half he reverted to more in line with his career numbers. His biggest problem - he didn't locate his pitches like he did in the first half. His BABIP increased to much closer to a league norm - it was absurdly low in the first half. I mean - I certainly hope he's the pitcher we saw in the first half. But I don't think so. That doesn't mean he's not serviceable - he is. But let's be realistic about what he's going to bring to the table.

Granderson's flaws became apparent to me last year and I was one of the few who would rail against him. It became popular this year but again, people criticize withiout really knowing what the problems are. Granderson didn't slump this year, he has a series of holes in his game.

Granderson can't hit LH but 2009 was MUCH worse than 2008. 2008 OPS v LH - .739

2009 OPS v LH - .484 - that is remarkably bad and I don't think anyone could have seen that coming

Other things:

Perry should have been brought in to pitch the 12th last night. - I would have brought in JV, but we agree it should NOT have been Rodney
Nice baserunning Granderson. That's a mistake Pony Leaguers don't make.
No way you trade Verlander. You could go 20 years without ever getting a talent like that (Tigers have gone 20 years) and a true ace starter is harder to find in baseball than anything else. Whatever you get back won't be enough. If you trade someone it's Cabrera and that is a bad idea also. You pay for pitching, Cabrera, and fill in the rest of the roster like the Twins did.

There's no question Verlander is good, but let's be realistic about him also. He's the 5th (maybe 4th) best starter in the AL (Greinke, Felix, Doc, CC). That is certainly good and a nice thing to have. But he's going to want CC money - 7 yrs/$161mm. Can the Tigers really afford that? Is he going to stay healthy? If CC misses, the Yanks can afford it. If JV gets hurt - can the Tigers? Maybe. I reckon that's up to Illitch. It's just a very risky proposition. Unless Illitch is willing to add another $30mm or so to the payroll, they probably aren't going to compete next year. So my recommendations were to really concentrate on 2011 when all that money comes off the books. Their two tradeable commodities are JV and Cabrera (and Porcello - but no way I'd trade him). So why wouldn't you see what you can get for them?

 

[whoknew]

I had to break this up into two posts:

Porcello may not be an ace. We have no idea right now but I think the best guess is he's a strong #2 guy. His ks will go up next year but he does not have Verlander stuff, never will. He might even regress some next year but long-term he looks like a champ. Resign Verlander ASAP because having these two going forward makes this team a contender every year.

Of course he may not be an ace - but he's 20 years old and just had a season with an ERA under 4. Does that mean he's guaranteed to be an ace? No. But it's a pretty good indication.And I disagree with you on his ceiling. I think the sky is the limit on him - higher than Verlander. When JV was 20, he put up a 2.40 ERA against the Colonial Athletic Association. Porcello just put up a sub-4 ERA against the big boy league.

Keith Law thinks his Ks are going to increase in the next couple of years - as evidenced in the MN game where he was throwing mid to upper 90s letter high 4 seam fastballs. And he's an extreme groundball pitcher so his Ks don't have to be as high. But if he mixes the sinker and two seamer with the high 4 seamer? Well then he's King Felix.

The Indians are rebuilding in a good way? Take a look at their rostered pitchers and the pitchers in their system. Cleveland will have to buy to be competitive and since they sold Lee so low, I don't think that is a consideration at the moment. I see the Royals passing them next year and some dark years going forward.
White Sox have good parts, but they also have guys like Alex Rios. Will be interested to see what they do in the offseason but that team is going to look a lot different in 2010
There is no reason they can't compete in 2010 with their pitching unless they move to the AL East. They will have the same shot at the division next year as they did this year and it they get better moving parts, they might be better in 2010.

Why do you think they will compete next year? Are they going to improve from a .500 team? Or will the ALC champ once again only win 85 or so games?

Illitch won't sell unless he's losing money. He made money on the Tigers this year being 4th in the AL in attendence. If anything Tigers buy more in the offseason
Dombrowski is not quitting, and there is no way he should be fired. Still the dumbest thing I've ever heard a Tiger fan say (more than just Comer has said it and I'm not picking on him at all since he is stuck in his way and there is no moving him).

Dombrowski has made tons of dumb moves. Why shouldn't he be held accountable? The Tigers $/win is one of the worst in the game. If I were Illitch, I'd want to know why.

Lloyd McClendon should quit or be fired. Enough is enough, this team underachieved at the plate as much as any in my lifetime.
I think Carlos Guillen has value and I'd trade him.

Completely agree on McClendon. I'd be surprised if they can find someone to take Guillen, but if they can then do it.

Clete Thomas is a 4th OFer like Matt Joyce but he should get a lot more playing time next year. But I think the Tigers have to find a LH corner OFer, that has to be the #1 FA priority. You find that and Maggs is a part time player vs LH piching and a part time DH.
I'm somewhat disappointed in the season but if we get a one game playoff again last year I'll take that chance. Twins won 17 of 21, that is amazing. The breakdown after they were hot in early September cost them most. You can't lose 5 of 6 games vs the Royals in a 9 day period. Although they were better vs the division this year than they were in the past, they were 3-9 vs the White Sox and Royals in Sept/Oct. For Christ sakes, they were 3-4 vs the Twins! That to me is a lack of focus and that falls on Leyland.

 

[whoknew]

About Washburn - there's nothing in his career to suggest he's the pitcher he was for the first half of the season last year. His BABIP with SEA was extremely low. He was lucky and helped by a big park with a good D.

I don't see any way they offer him a contract.

 

[igbomb]

There's no question Verlander is good, but let's be realistic about him also. He's the 5th (maybe 4th) best starter in the AL (Greinke, Felix, Doc, CC). That is certainly good and a nice thing to have. But he's going to want CC money - 7 yrs/$161mm. Can the Tigers really afford that? Is he going to stay healthy? If CC misses, the Yanks can afford it. If JV gets hurt - can the Tigers? Maybe. I reckon that's up to Illitch. It's just a very risky proposition. Unless Illitch is willing to add another $30mm or so to the payroll, they probably aren't going to compete next year. So my recommendations were to really concentrate on 2011 when all that money comes off the books. Their two tradeable commodities are JV and Cabrera (and Porcello - but no way I'd trade him). So why wouldn't you see what you can get for them?

If Verlander's jump this year is for real and sustainable, he is at least on par with all of the names you just mentioned (with maybe the exception of Greinke). So you can make the argument that he is the 2nd best in the AL as easy as you can that he is the 5th. And Lincecum and a healthy Santana are the only NL starters that can hang with the top in the AL. So JV is a top 7 pitcher, with as good an argument for 2 as for 7.BTW, in 2009, by WAR, JV finished as the number two pitcher in baseball and the number 5 PLAYER in baseball.You don't trade him, you pay him.And they don't need to trade Cabrera or JV to compete in 2011. They have more than $60 million coming off the books in 2011 (assuming they avoid Ordonez vesting again).

 

[Green94]

and look at it this way at least your not the White Sox

You won't be saying this for the next few years

 

[Doctor Detroit]

About Washburn - there's nothing in his career to suggest he's the pitcher he was for the first half of the season last year. His BABIP with SEA was extremely low. He was lucky and helped by a big park with a good D.

I don't see any way they offer him a contract.

He's a decent LH starter, no one said he was going to be the pitcher he was in the first half of the season. Here are the other LH starters who are FAs:Jon Garland (30) - $10MM mutual option with $2.5MM or $1MM buyout

Tom Glavine (44)

Mike Hampton (37)

Randy Johnson (46)

Cliff Lee (31) - $8MM club option with a $1MM buyout

Braden Looper (35) - $6.5MM mutual option with possible buyout

Odalis Perez (33)

Andy Pettitte (38)

Jarrod Washburn (35)

Randy Wolf (33)

Wolf is going to get a nice deal in the 3/4 year range from someone, the rest of those guys are staying with their current teams or they stink. Garland and Washburn are two options to get a decent LH arm in the rotation. Well I guess Dontrelle Willis is a LH.

On some of the other stuff from earlier today, good information within. I don't agree at all with trading Verlander at any point and I don't really see any reason they have to go to a youth movement. You are kind of assuming top prospects actually work out which you know is not a guarantee, in fact it is quite a crapshoot. Also Porcello didn't throw in the upper 90s, but he did hit 95 several times. Since he's a ground ball pitcher he may very well be a better statistical pitcher than Verlander in the future (not ks, regardless of how much he improves there he'll never get close to Verlander) but he doesn't have Verlander's ability IMO. Also don't think he has an upside like King Felix but he could very well be a Jake Peavy type with his great movement and downward action. We'll see next year how well he adjusts, but he's just going to get better and better. Too bad his arbitration clock is already a year old. Anyway I'd take the chance and pay him ASAP, I think they can get him at a discount over time but if he gets hurt everyone will be yelling it was a terrible contract. But its Illitch's money and I will guarantee you he's not going to break this team up, like I was saying before...he made a nice profit on this team this year. I think the Tigers will be fairly active in FA given all the $$$ coming off he books in 2011.

Why do you think they will compete next year? Are they going to improve from a .500 team? Or will the ALC champ once again only win 85 or so games?

How will they compete next year? Why wouldn't they be able to compete with Verlander, Porcello, Jackson, and hopefully a healthy Bonderman? If they add another starter like Randy Wolf or even a guy like Tim Hudson they are going to have the best pitching staff in the division. Chicago will be the favorites but I still only see the division winner getting at most 90 wins. They won 86 this year and couldn't constantly hit all year. Cleveland is going to be awful, KC is a 70-75 win team, Minnesota no longer has that home field advantage, and the White Sox could blow it. I think they have a shot to compete.

Dombrowski has made tons of dumb moves. Why shouldn't he be held accountable? The Tigers $/win is one of the worst in the game. If I were Illitch, I'd want to know why.

When did I say DD shouldn't be held accountable? I said he shouldn't quit or be fired, big difference. Also as discussed in the past not all those contracts are on him, some of them were insisted upon by Illitch and its his team in the end.

EJ pitched above expectations in the first half for sure. In the second half he reverted to more in line with his career numbers. His biggest problem - he didn't locate his pitches like he did in the first half. His BABIP increased to much closer to a league norm - it was absurdly low in the first half. I mean - I certainly hope he's the pitcher we saw in the first half. But I don't think so. That doesn't mean he's not serviceable - he is. But let's be realistic about what he's going to bring to the table.

Ok, what do you consider realistic? I didn't say Jackson was Zach Grienke II, but he's also probably better than just "serviceable." I think he's a very solid #3 pitcher, possibly a #2 for parts of the season. Next year is Jackson's 4th season, I think he will settle in and we'll get something between the April Jackson and the September Jackson but he's likely to be fairly inconsistent. Also you didn't mention it anywhere but what do you think is the teams #1 and #2 offseason priority? I'll hang up and listen.

Good conversation here at the end of the season btw...

 

[Wooderson]

and look at it this way at least your not the White Sox

You won't be saying this for the next few years

You may be right that is why I need to enjoy the ride right now.

 

[skillz]

Free agents 2009 salary

Brandon Lyon $4,250,000

Fernando Rodney $2,700,000

Jarrod Washburn $9,850,000

Adam Everett $1,000,000

Aubrey Huff $8,000,000

Placido Polanco $4,600,000

Signed through 2010

Pitchers 2010 salary

Jeremy Bonderman $12,500,000

Rick Porcello $2,005,000

Nate Robertson $10,000,000

Dontrelle Willis (DL) $12,000,000

Hitters 2010 salary

Miguel Cabrera $20,000,000

Brandon Inge $6,600,000

Curtis Granderson $5,500,000

Magglio Ordoñez $18,000,000

Carlos Guillen $13,000,000

Arbitration eligible

Pitchers F.A. after

Edwin Jackson 2011

Zack Miner 2012

Bobby Seay 2010

Justin Verlander 2011

Joel Zumaya (DL) 2011

Hitters F.A. after

Gerald Laird 2010

Ramon Santiago 2010

Marcus Thames 2010

Matt Treanor (DL) 2010

Under club control*

Pitchers 2009 salary

Eddie Bonine $400,000

Freddy Dolsi $407,000

Casey Fien $400,000

Alfredo Figaro $400,000

Armando Galarraga $435,000

Fu-Te Ni $400,000

Ryan Perry $400,000

Clay Rapada $405,000

Zach Simons** $400,000

Hitters 2009 salary

Alex Avila $400,000

Dusty Ryan** $400,000

Brent Dlugach** $400,000

Michael Hollimon (DL) $400,000

Jeff Larish (DL) $403,000

Don Kelly** $405,000

Ryan Raburn $410,000

Wilkin Ramirez** $400,000

Clete Thomas $403,000

Casper Wells** $400,000

*club can renew at figure club sets if parties don't agree to contract.

** spent all or most of season in minors

http://www.freep.com/article/20091008/SPOR...-agents-and-all

 

[Comer]

Free agents 2009 salary

Brandon Lyon $4,250,000

Fernando Rodney $2,700,000

Jarrod Washburn $9,850,000

Adam Everett $1,000,000

Aubrey Huff $8,000,000

Placido Polanco $4,600,000

Signed through 2010

Pitchers 2010 salary

Jeremy Bonderman $12,500,000

Rick Porcello $2,005,000

Nate Robertson $10,000,000

Dontrelle Willis (DL) $12,000,000

Hitters 2010 salary

Miguel Cabrera $20,000,000

Brandon Inge $6,600,000

Curtis Granderson $5,500,000

Magglio Ordoñez $18,000,000

Carlos Guillen $13,000,000

Arbitration eligible

Pitchers F.A. after

Edwin Jackson 2011

Zack Miner 2012

Bobby Seay 2010

Justin Verlander 2011

Joel Zumaya (DL) 2011

Hitters F.A. after

Gerald Laird 2010

Ramon Santiago 2010

Marcus Thames 2010

Matt Treanor (DL) 2010

Under club control*

Pitchers 2009 salary

Eddie Bonine $400,000

Freddy Dolsi $407,000

Casey Fien $400,000

Alfredo Figaro $400,000

Armando Galarraga $435,000

Fu-Te Ni $400,000

Ryan Perry $400,000

Clay Rapada $405,000

Zach Simons** $400,000

Hitters 2009 salary

Alex Avila $400,000

Dusty Ryan** $400,000

Brent Dlugach** $400,000

Michael Hollimon (DL) $400,000

Jeff Larish (DL) $403,000

Don Kelly** $405,000

Ryan Raburn $410,000

Wilkin Ramirez** $400,000

Clete Thomas $403,000

Casper Wells** $400,000

*club can renew at figure club sets if parties don't agree to contract.

** spent all or most of season in minors

http://www.freep.com/article/20091008/SPOR...-agents-and-all

To resign Lyon and Rodney probably will take 8-10 M.

Granderson even with the low average is a steal at 5.5 M.

Listening to DD sounds like Polly is gone and Sizemore will be the 2nd baseman next season.

Washburn and Huff are likely gone.

Zumaya should be cheap in arbitration.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Listening to DD sounds like Polly is gone and Sizemore will be the 2nd baseman next season.

Dombrowski on Polanco

Doctor Detroit request that I say Baseball America said about Scott Sizemore that he has hands of stone and that I think he said I will be blown up by that statement. So does anyone other than Doctor Detroit want to "Blow me up on that statement"

Didn't you actually say this?

You pimped out Sizemore as the next 2nd baseman Baseball America says and I quote he has hands of stone. I have no idea where you get your info from but, it is definitely not knowledgeable

So should I expect an apology or is my info still "not knowledgable?"

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Listening to DD sounds like Polly is gone and Sizemore will be the 2nd baseman next season.

Dombrowski on Polanco

Doctor Detroit request that I say Baseball America said about Scott Sizemore that he has hands of stone and that I think he said I will be blown up by that statement. So does anyone other than Doctor Detroit want to "Blow me up on that statement"

Didn't you actually say this?

You pimped out Sizemore as the next 2nd baseman Baseball America says and I quote he has hands of stone. I have no idea where you get your info from but, it is definitely not knowledgeable

So should I expect an apology or is my info still "not knowledgable?"

 

[Comer]

Listening to DD sounds like Polly is gone and Sizemore will be the 2nd baseman next season.

Dombrowski on Polanco

Doctor Detroit request that I say Baseball America said about Scott Sizemore that he has hands of stone and that I think he said I will be blown up by that statement. So does anyone other than Doctor Detroit want to "Blow me up on that statement"

Didn't you actually say this?

You pimped out Sizemore as the next 2nd baseman Baseball America says and I quote he has hands of stone. I have no idea where you get your info from but, it is definitely not knowledgeable

So should I expect an apology or is my info still "not knowledgable?"

I told you Baseball America and any other reports I have read or heard said he was not a good fielder. It was not my opinion I have never seen the kid play. I don't think they want to pay Polly twice what he is making this season for next year. Hopefully the kid can pan out he is a cheap option at 2nd base.

 

[Shakespeare]

Polly needs to make more than Inge.

 

[Da Guru]

Rumor has it that the Tigers are going to ask Miggy to go to alcohol rehab. Miggys drinking has been well known for quite some time, even when he was with Florida.

MLB is a different sport..you get done playing at 9:30-10:00, you can go get smashed and sleep in until noon the next day. Guys like Miggy do not to be in good cardio shape so it is easy to hide.