****OFFICIAL 2009 Off Season Washington Redskins Thread**** (3 Viewers)

[Maroney=Sped]

I'd just like to condemn the Redskins front office for wasting money by letting Derrick Dockery go to Buffalo for a huge contract, and then signing him for much less money 2 years later.

And for cutting Shawn "$6 million for 8 games" Springs. And for cutting Jason "$2 million per sack" Taylor.

Carry on.

I'm the last guy on this board that should be the english police, but I think this is a pretty important word you got wrong here.

I know this is probably a shock, and you should therefore be sitting down when you read it.Are you sitting yet?

Ok, here goes: fatness was being . . . sarcastic.

There, I said it. And I think it's not the first time he's done this too.

Don't tell anyone that I said this, ok?

 

[dgreen]

Great line by Czaban. Asked if he'd go after T.O., he said he would. Andy was amazed at this. He responded, "As long as we're going to do stupid things, let's have some fun with it."

 

[Sebowski]

You guys seen ES? Apparently TO was flying to DC earlier today, and now there is a thread about him being at a DC restaurant.

 

[southeastjerome]

The fact that Evans wasn't offered any sort of contract at all until AFTER Jason Taylor was cut just goes to show this front office doesn't have a flippin clue what they are doing. I like the idea of cutting ties with Taylor and saving the $8 mil, but the fact that it took them so long to decide to do so is just poor planning.

 

[buster c]

I find it comical that is puffing his chest out, saying things like this:

“[Owens’s representatives] called us three years ago before he went to Dallas, and we didn’t have interest then,” Cerrato said. “Why would we have interest when he’s three years older now? We have no interest.” http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Cerra..._T_O__32731.jsp

3 years ago he signed up Randal-El who has gone for ~ 135/1700/8. Meantime, TO has gone ~ 230/3500/38. For less money.

in what alternative universe does this sucker exist?

 

[fatness]

I'd just like to condemn the Redskins front office for wasting money by letting Derrick Dockery go to Buffalo for a huge contract, and then signing him for much less money 2 years later.

And for cutting Shawn "$6 million for 8 games" Springs. And for cutting Jason "$2 million per sack" Taylor.

Carry on.

I'm the last guy on this board that should be the english police, but I think this is a pretty important word you got wrong here.

"sarcasm"

 

[Tanner9919]

what's the feeling among Redskins' fans for the 2009 season, and in particular, Clinton Portis.

Seems to be a very ,very easy schedule against the run, with games against Detroit, Oak, St Louis, N.O., SD, Carolina, Atlanta, KC, Denver, among others - this could be a best-ever season for Portis, perhaps better than his days in Denver!

 

[Ripleys]

Portis is money ever year!

 

[pablito]

Regardless of his age, I for one would not mind seeing Matt Stover take the 45 minute drive down I95. Now that NY & BAL have passed, he should be reasonably priced too.

 

[Maroney=Sped]

I find it comical that is puffing his chest out, saying things like this:

“[Owens’s representatives] called us three years ago before he went to Dallas, and we didn’t have interest then,” Cerrato said. “Why would we have interest when he’s three years older now? We have no interest.” http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Cerra..._T_O__32731.jsp

3 years ago he signed up Randal-El who has gone for ~ 135/1700/8. Meantime, TO has gone ~ 230/3500/38. For less money.

in what alternative universe does this sucker exist?

Probably one that doesn't solely rely upon stats to evaluate a player. I'm far happier with ARE than I would have been with TO. Maybe that makes me crazy, but I don't want a bozo like that on my team.

 

[buster c]

I find it comical that is puffing his chest out, saying things like this:

“[Owens’s representatives] called us three years ago before he went to Dallas, and we didn’t have interest then,” Cerrato said. “Why would we have interest when he’s three years older now? We have no interest.” http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Cerra..._T_O__32731.jsp

3 years ago he signed up Randal-El who has gone for ~ 135/1700/8. Meantime, TO has gone ~ 230/3500/38. For less money.

in what alternative universe does this sucker exist?

Probably one that doesn't solely rely upon stats to evaluate a player. I'm far happier with ARE than I would have been with TO. Maybe that makes me crazy, but I don't want a bozo like that on my team.

you're crazy.can you imagine the level of frustration (and ultimate meltdown) TO would have had with J.Campbell trying to get him the rock?

 

[Sidewinder16]

Former 'Skins cap guy Jimmy Halsell has a blog and he goes over the details of the Haynesworth contract. Much of it we've already heard, but it's an interesting read nonetheless.

Some of you have asked, given that the Skins routinely are up against the cap, how could they afford this contract? The answer is that Haynesworth's 2009 cap number is only $7M; that amount is comprised of a $6M P5 salary (by the way P5 stands for "paragraph 5" of the standard player contract) plus $1M in pro-ration of his $5M signing bonus. By cutting Shawn Springs, the Skins saved themselves $6M in 2009 cap space; so you could say that the Skins just about swapped out 1 for 1 Springs for Haynesworth. Without knowing what the future holds, the Skins are going to have to plan accordingly to afford this contract because Haynesworth's cap numbers beyond 2010 exceed $10M per year; those are significant cap charges. This means the Skins better start getting some cheap labor via the draft to offset this contract's impact on their cap (assuming there is one) in future years.

Also, JLC reports that the 'Skins have ~$7 million of cap space right now.

 

[Sebowski]

what's the feeling among Redskins' fans for the 2009 season, and in particular, Clinton Portis.Seems to be a very ,very easy schedule against the run, with games against Detroit, Oak, St Louis, N.O., SD, Carolina, Atlanta, KC, Denver, among others - this could be a best-ever season for Portis, perhaps better than his days in Denver!

Clinton will go as the O-Line goes. Right now the line looks better than it did last year with Dockery back. Still a hole at RT and no depth behind an injury-prone RG. I expect there to be another signing and at least one draft pick to try and shore that up. I expect CP to have a pretty good year. Lets go with 1,400 yards and 10 scores for now.

 

[fatness]

We're in trouble. The Cowboys just signed Marty Feldman.

To replace Chris Canty, who left for the New York Giants earlier this week, the Dallas Cowboys reached an agreement with free-agent defensive lineman Igor Olshansky.

 

[Maroney=Sped]

We're in trouble. The Cowboys just signed Marty Feldman.

To replace Chris Canty, who left for the New York Giants earlier this week, the Dallas Cowboys reached an agreement with free-agent defensive lineman Igor Olshansky.

What hump?

 

[fatness]

Where wolf?

 

[Maroney=Sped]

Soitenly. You take the blonde, I'll take the one in the turban.

 

[fatness]

I wonder if Igor Olshansky's nickname is "Abby".

 

[Maroney=Sped]

I wonder if Igor Olshansky's nickname is "Abby".

 

[fatness]

Willis re-signed with Seattle.

 

[fatness]

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nf...l-insider_N.htm

I was just reading that article again, having done a search for "Greg Blache" to see what he's had to say lately. From the article:

Someone asked defensive coordinator Greg Blache what he wanted to do next, having added Haynesworth.

"I'm going to Disney World," Blache quipped.

Blache, who might use Haynesworth at left end in some situations, was the Green Bay Packers' defensive line coach when White landed as the 1993 prize of free agency. "Everybody made the same noise," Blache compared. " 'How much can you pay?' Blah, blah, blah. Reggie White proved the naysayers wrong. Albert — same university, same number, same explosiveness. I think he dominates the game in the same way." Blache stopped short of saying he'll grade Haynesworth by a Reggie White standard. But the dollars say otherwise.

 

[fatness]

http://www.dcexaminer.com/sports/Redskins-...r-40496337.html

“We’ll make it work and make it fit,” defensive coordinator Greg Blache said. “When you get a guy with this talent, it affects what you’re capable of doing.”

“You have to locate him,” said former Baltimore Ravens head coach Brian Billick. “More importantly, you get to the point where you don’t try to run inside. You just give up. You try to say that you’ll stick with it, but you don’t.”

 

[fatness]

http://fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2009/02...02282009/449218

"There are four of five plays that usually decide a football game," defensive coordinator Greg Blache said. "Ten plays in a ballgame, the difference is a snap, an instant, an inch. He'll impact those plays. I think he'll be the difference on some of those plays."

 

[fatness]

Jason Campbell and Carlos Rogers get a raise

Carlos Rogers's base salary has increased from $602k to $1.403m due to an escalator.

Jason Campbell's base salary has increased from $783k to $2.858m for the same reason.

The increases come from playing time clauses in their contracts, according to sources with knowledge of the situation, with those escalators negotiated into the rookie contracts they signed in 2005.

Both are eligible to be free agents after the 2009 season. They would normally be unrestricted but if there is not an extension to the CBA this year they would be restricted.

 

[nittanylion]

With T.O. safely stashed away in Buffalo (albeit for only 1 year), my sweat glands have been given a reprieve.

Somebody mentioned Matt Stover earlier - a dependable PK...wouldn't THAT be something to crow about for a change?

 

[thayman]

With T.O. safely stashed away in Buffalo (albeit for only 1 year), my sweat glands have been given a reprieve.Somebody mentioned Matt Stover earlier - a dependable PK...wouldn't THAT be something to crow about for a change?

I still miss John Hall, loved it when he would hit someone.

 

[Sidewinder16]

seems that every reference I read about Evans is that he was a locker-room leader, too. don't get me wrong, I'm a P.Daniels fan and hope he can play again, but if we're talking 6-7 years older and, let's face it, injury-prone, then it makes a lot more sense to PAY YOUR OWN and lock up Evans. Oh, but we OVERPAID SOMEBODY ELSE'S and have no money to do that. Right. Almost forgot the FO philosophy. This ensures NO DEPTH EVER. you guys hard of hearing, or what? I keep having to shout.

I hear that Renaldo "iwaswasheduptwoyearsago" Wynn may be brought back.

Wynne (and Daniels) are better fits for what Blache is looking for in that position. It's a run anchor position. Blache isn't looking for pass rushing from that slot. You can agree to disagree, but Demetric Evans is not a guy who can anchor the point of attack on outside runs. Wynne did that for us. Daniels did that for us. A guy like Olshansky (or a similar 3-4 style end) likely could do that for us. Evans was always going to be a situational pass rusher for us. If he was only going to demand situational pass rusher money, then yeah, we should have locked him up. But it's clear that Blache didn't see him as a starting DE.

I'm an Evans fan too, but there's probably a lot of truth to what you're saying. I just hope we can get 13-14 healthy games out of Daniels this year because if we don't we're screwed.

Daniels says the 'Skins are talking to him and Wynn.

Daniels, who has started negotiations with the Redskins, said the team has talked to Wynn about coming back, too.

"Renaldo and I have talked about how great it would be if we get this worked out," Daniels said after a workout in his offseason home in Chicago. "We're both getting older, so the Redskins said they could see having both of us at left end for a year or two."

 

[Sidewinder16]

Willis re-signed with Seattle.

And Elton Brown seems to be a no-go.

Cerrato also denied a report that Arizona Cardinals offensive lineman Elton Brown visited the Redskins last week. Cerrato said that as of now, no free agents are scheduled to visit this week.

 

[Maroney=Sped]

"Renaldo and I have talked about how great it would be if we get this worked out," Daniels said after a workout in his offseason home in Chicago. "We're both getting older, so the Redskins said they could see having both of us at left end for a year or two."

 

[fatness]

Daniels was the starting DE a year ago. Assuming his injury is healed, I'm not sure finding a better replacement for him immediately is a high priority. I'd rather see a young guy drafted and brought along to take his spot.

And along with Terrell Owens being out of the division, there's a chance that Plaxico Burress will be too this year. I'm pretty broken up about those things. I guess that makes Roy Williams the toughest WR on a division rival in the division now?

 

[Maroney=Sped]

Daniels was the starting DE a year ago. Assuming his injury is healed, I'm not sure finding a better replacement for him immediately is a high priority. I'd rather see a young guy drafted and brought along to take his spot.

And along with Terrell Owens being out of the division, there's a chance that Plaxico Burress will be too this year. I'm pretty broken up about those things. I guess that makes Roy Williams the toughest WR on a division rival in the division now?

This is a great point. And BTW Springs' specialty was matching up 1:1 against big WR's, so his value to us would have been reduced anyway because of this. I happen to think the drop-off for the Giants, who have focused in the draft in recent years on replenishing their WR corps will be less without Plax than it will be for the Cowboys without TO.

 

[fatness]

Here's something I've been wondering about, and this is a good time of year to wonder about it out loud: What was the difference in the Redskin offense the first half of the year and the second half of the year?

O-linemen getting injured was the cause of some of the dropoff, but I'm not sure that's all of it. Did other teams figure out Zorn's playcalling and clamp down? What else?

 

[southeastjerome]

Willis re-signed with Seattle.

And Elton Brown seems to be a no-go.

Cerrato also denied a report that Arizona Cardinals offensive lineman Elton Brown visited the Redskins last week. Cerrato said that as of now, no free agents are scheduled to visit this week.

Interesting. I am really wondering what the move is here. Even if they do bring Daniels back, they still have a pretty big need at DE. Daniels isn't a guy to depend on heading into the year. I think reasonable depth at DE is imperative and there is no depth there at all right now. That and we certainly have a need for an OLB and OT. So 3 needs, very little cap room and 1 day one draft pick.

 

[fatness]

I happen to think the drop-off for the Giants, who have focused in the draft in recent years on replenishing their WR corps will be less without Plax than it will be for the Cowboys without TO.

I think they'll have different effects. The Giants will stick with their regular offense, and suffer a modest dropoff in their passing game (which began last year when Burress went out) until one of the other WR's emerges as a steady deep threat.The Cowboys will just shift to much more running the ball, I think. With most of their playmakers at the RB position I wouldn't be surprised to see a lot of the balls that went to Owens go to the RB's. With 2 RB's on the field at once they can split one wide, do other things to create mismatches with LB's.

 

[buster c]

Here's something I've been wondering about, and this is a good time of year to wonder about it out loud: What was the difference in the Redskin offense the first half of the year and the second half of the year?

O-linemen getting injured was the cause of some of the dropoff, but I'm not sure that's all of it. Did other teams figure out Zorn's playcalling and clamp down? What else?

some of that...and some of it was going from a playing with nothing to lose attitude to (fatally) playing NOT to lose. I was at the Bengal game and still cannot believe that they went deep not one time

 

[buster c]

Willis re-signed with Seattle.

And Elton Brown seems to be a no-go.

Cerrato also denied a report that Arizona Cardinals offensive lineman Elton Brown visited the Redskins last week. Cerrato said that as of now, no free agents are scheduled to visit this week.

Interesting. I am really wondering what the move is here. Even if they do bring Daniels back, they still have a pretty big need at DE. Daniels isn't a guy to depend on heading into the year. I think reasonable depth at DE is imperative and there is no depth there at all right now. That and we certainly have a need for an OLB and OT. So 3 needs, very little cap room and 1 day one draft pick.

Alex Buzzbee anyone?THIS IS WHAT WE DO. $115m to one guy, $55m to a cancerous turd, 2nd round picks pissed away = NO DEPTH

 

[dgreen]

Not Redskins, but I thought you guys might enjoy this.

 

[Sidewinder16]

Alfred Fincher re-signs.

 

[T Bell]

Alfred Fincher re-signs.

Good news, I guess, but hard to get excited over. He's a warm body. His retention by the team is testament to how thin they are at OLB.

 

[southeastjerome]

Alfred Fincher re-signs.

Good news, I guess, but hard to get excited over. He's a warm body. His retention by the team is testament to how thin they are at OLB.

Seems to be a pretty good special teams player. If he's getting regular PT on defense, its safe to say that they're screwed.

 

[southeastjerome]

All Remaining Free Agents by Position

Any diamonds in the rough?

 

[buster c]

Alfred Fincher re-signs.

Good news, I guess, but hard to get excited over. He's a warm body. His retention by the team is testament to how thin they are at OLB.

Seems to be a pretty good special teams player. If he's getting regular PT on defense, its safe to say that they're screwed.

I thought he was an exhibition season star. Seemed to be far too tentative when the games were played for real. I know it's a shocker, but we're thin at LB. And DL. And OL. Only the positions that win championships.

 

[buster c]

All Remaining Free Agents by Position

Any diamonds in the rough?

I always liked Centerman Lennie Friedman when he was here.

 

[fatness]

Not Redskins, but I thought you guys might enjoy this.

 

[Marvelous]

Alfred Fincher re-signs.

Good news, I guess, but hard to get excited over. He's a warm body. His retention by the team is testament to how thin they are at OLB.

Seems to be a pretty good special teams player. If he's getting regular PT on defense, its safe to say that they're screwed.

I thought he was an exhibition season star. Seemed to be far too tentative when the games were played for real. I know it's a shocker, but we're thin at LB. And DL. And OL. Only the positions that win championships.

I am not sure LB is that bad. The Redskins had something like the 5th ranked D and HB Blades started a lot of games at LB. He can't be that bad. The fact is you can't have a superstar at every position, so you need to decide where to have them. The OL is by far the biggest position in need. They need quality and quantity.

 

[Marvelous]

From PFT:

DOUGHTY STAYS WITH THE ‘SKINSPosted by Mike Florio on March 10, 2009, 8:01 p.m. EDT Redskins safety Reed Doughty, an unrestricted free agent, will sign a one-year deal to remain with the team, Doughty told David Elfin of the Washington Times.Doughty had been negotiating with the Redskins and “a couple of other teams.”“It’s not just the money,” Doughty said. “It’s about how much I’ll get to play and what my role will be.”Doughty is expected to square off against Chris Horton for a starting job in 2009.Doughty was selected by the Redskins in the sixth round of the 2006 draft. He would have been a restricted free agent, if the Redskins had extended one of the four levels of tender offers to him. The ‘Skins opted not to do so, prompting speculation that he’d sign with another team.Doughty appeared in four games, starting three of them, in 2008 before landing on injured reserve with a pinched nerve that required back surgery.

Looks like the Redskins front office did well here. They did not tendre Doughty, and he resigns, presumably for less than the lowest tender offer. The fact is, backup safeties don't go for a whole lot.

 

[fatness]

I think Horton will beat out Doughty for the starting job.

 

[fatness]

From The Onion, one of the greatest sites on the internet.

Redskins Ask Albert Haynesworth To Gain 2,400 Pounds

WASHINGTON—Redskins coach Jim Zorn reportedly asked new defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth to begin bulking up Monday, claiming that by adding 2,400 pounds to his frame the All-Pro could improve his run-stuffing ability by single-handedly filling every gap on the defensive line. "Albert could be a dominant force if he just put on a couple thousand pounds," Zorn said of the two-time Pro Bowler, who signed a seven-year, $100 million contract with the team last week. "If he adds some mass to his shoulders, neck, and chest, and especially along his sides and the ends of his arms, there's not an offensive line in the league that will be able to move him, not even with help from a tight end." According to Redskins trainers, Haynesworth has been placed on a strict diet consisting of grilled chicken breasts, a green salad, and a giant barrel of lard at every meal.

 

[fatness]

JLC

The Redskins have attempted to bring back linebacker Marcus Washington, hoping to sign him to a bargain-rate contract, according to league sources, but he is in no hurry to make a deal.

Not a bad idea.And to go along with what buster has been saying:

The Redskins have a hole at strong-side linebacker, one of several roster vacancies. With just four draft picks, filling them all in April seems unlikely and the team is a bit cap-strapped after giving Albert Haynesworth and DeAngelo Hall big contracts. The Redskins have essentially been hunting for bargains since.

The Redskins need two defensive ends, two linebackers, a right tackle, a right guard/guard or center, and could be short on depth at wide receiver and cornerback if key members of last year's draft class don't progress.

 

[dgreen]

I think Horton will beat out Doughty for the starting job.