BuckeyeArt
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Not really. Almost all of their targets/catches have come in the 2nd quarters of both games. They each have had one incomplete target in a 1st quarter.
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***Official*** 2009 Washington Redskins Thread (1 Viewer)
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dgreen
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They are both seeing time with Campbell and Collins. Kelly has looked much better on the field. He appears to get open more often and has shown good hands on some catches. Thomas just seems to be invisible. And, he's been criticized for not fighting for the ball on Collins' INT last week. My guess is it is Kelly's job to lose right now.sinatravolta
Footballguy
Agreed - this is the first year he's had the same offense to run as the previous year. When Zorn came in he said it took 3 years to be truly comfortable in the WCO - and said for example it took Hasselbeck that long. And now a bunch of you guys aren't even willing to see how year 2 goes? Because of a couple of missed passes in preseason? When you are also at the same time criticizing Snyder for always bringing in new guys instead of developing talent from within? I don't get it. The reason Collins did well at the end of the previous year is he had been practicing in Saunders' offense for years and years! And Campbell started to get gunshy when the o-line had not been protecting him. Collins is not going to be better than Campbell in this offense. Campbell has shown promise at times and been off at others. Most QBs take some time to develop. It's an added challenge when the o-line doesn't give you time to throw and when you aren't playing the same system repeatedly. I was a lot more worried about the o-line going into the season than Campbell - and so far the signs have been not bad after the beginning of camp - although any injury would likely be a big problem.
buster c
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For starters, it shows a lack of class and dignity. Can you imagine any other NFL owner acting in this manner?
Let me put it to you this way: if one wants to be treated with the respect worthy of a grown man, one must act like one. Instead, Snyder acts like some yee-ha tailgater from Waldorf with a 12-pack in his belly.
I don't mind enthusiasm, but when you're in public, show some respect for your opponent. His "...in Philly! in Dallas! trash talk is best left for those who actually walked the walk.
buster c
Footballguy
I don't think we know this to be true
dgreen
Footballguy
He was headed into the tunnel in Philly. I wouldn't exactly call that "in public." Other than maybe the stadium personnel, it was likely 100% Redskins. OK, yes, there was the camera which kind of made it public. But, I'd guess he didn't necessarily realize the camera would be there.It wasn't trash talk. Who was he trash talking? Who took any offense?
It was, at the time, arguably one of the Skins biggest regular season series of wins under Snyder. That was a HUGE accomplishment at the time. That win led many people to go ahead and put Washington in the playoffs. In fact, I believe Sagarin's Ratings after that week had Washington #1.
Who gives a crap? Yeah, the Rooneys and Bob Craft run great organizations, but that doesn't mean Snyder should do everything exactly like they do. He celebrated in a different way than the old farts do. So what? Nothing he did was disrespectful.Snyder should be bashed for numerous reasons. This isn't one of them.
Well, that's classy. Nice job.
buster c
Footballguy
dgreen:
maybe you haven't been to FedEx for a game. If you have, you'd have noticed that half the crowd seems to be these drunken white trash - I'll say it again - yee-ha's (with all apologies to Waldorf) who would go shooting off their pie-hole in the tunnel of an opposing team's stadium if given the chance - exactly like Snyder did. that's trash talk and you'll not convince me otherwise. He knew he was protected against reprisal and - like a coward - ran his mouth. in public.
Who cares? I do. I saw that and cringed. And as a karma guy, I can only wonder whether the tail-spin of last season's second half began as soon as Snyder felt it necessary to celebrate a mid-season victory in such a boorish manner.
some things - like acting with class and dignity - never go out of style. Hopefully Snyder learns this, but people who surround themselves with yes-men generally do not change.
maybe you haven't been to FedEx for a game. If you have, you'd have noticed that half the crowd seems to be these drunken white trash - I'll say it again - yee-ha's (with all apologies to Waldorf) who would go shooting off their pie-hole in the tunnel of an opposing team's stadium if given the chance - exactly like Snyder did. that's trash talk and you'll not convince me otherwise. He knew he was protected against reprisal and - like a coward - ran his mouth. in public.
Who cares? I do. I saw that and cringed. And as a karma guy, I can only wonder whether the tail-spin of last season's second half began as soon as Snyder felt it necessary to celebrate a mid-season victory in such a boorish manner.
some things - like acting with class and dignity - never go out of style. Hopefully Snyder learns this, but people who surround themselves with yes-men generally do not change.
Bizkiteer
Footballguy
I actually have no problem with Dan showing any emotions. That is the same as Jerry Jones pumping his fists in his box or any other owner. I wish some of those same fan type of emotions wouldn't get in the way, as in the normal football operations and becoming buddies with the players though.
fatness
Footballguy
I think you're letting several different things run together in your mind into One Big Thing, when in reality they're just separate things.There are things to criticize Snyder for, mostly mismanagement of personnel.
Fans get drunk and act like #######s at NFL stadiums.
The offensive line completely broke down the second half of last year.
These are all separate things that don't have to do with each other. Really.
buster c
Footballguy
key phrase in my last post: "I can only wonder"you're not a karma guy, fine. not everyone is. I'm not onboard 100% myself, but I do find it interesting that the team's slide began at that very moment. But do not interpret that to be my explanation of why they fell apart. just a piece of the puzzle.
fatness
Footballguy
Dexter Manley
Footballguy
I finally got around to watching the Reskins-Steelers game the other night. My thoughts:
- The oline looks surprisingly good. They were handling Pittsburgh's 1st string defense very well, particularly on the first drive. The question remains if the oline can hold up for the entire season, especially Thomas, but they looked very good on running and passing plays. I think the oline will be better than last season.
- JC didn't look good. He didn't look horrible either. Obviously, the jury is going to be out on him this year. It's swim or sink time. He's going to have to regularly make plays, like he did against the Saints last year, if this team is going to contend.
- The defense looks very nasty. Haynesworth was in the backfield nearly every play. Orakpo keeps looking better and better, even when he's playing OLB. Daniels looks 100%. This is going to be the first year in a long time where I think the defense will be very good if not outright dominant, rushing the passer.
- Rhinehart looks a lot better than he did last season. Obviously, he still has a ways to go, but hopefully he'll continue to develp into a starting caliber OG.
- Tryon should not make the team. He doesn't have the physical tools to be an effective nfl CB.
- The oline looks surprisingly good. They were handling Pittsburgh's 1st string defense very well, particularly on the first drive. The question remains if the oline can hold up for the entire season, especially Thomas, but they looked very good on running and passing plays. I think the oline will be better than last season.
- JC didn't look good. He didn't look horrible either. Obviously, the jury is going to be out on him this year. It's swim or sink time. He's going to have to regularly make plays, like he did against the Saints last year, if this team is going to contend.
- The defense looks very nasty. Haynesworth was in the backfield nearly every play. Orakpo keeps looking better and better, even when he's playing OLB. Daniels looks 100%. This is going to be the first year in a long time where I think the defense will be very good if not outright dominant, rushing the passer.
- Rhinehart looks a lot better than he did last season. Obviously, he still has a ways to go, but hopefully he'll continue to develp into a starting caliber OG.
- Tryon should not make the team. He doesn't have the physical tools to be an effective nfl CB.
T Bell
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I'm starting to have a different take on him, namely that he doesn't have the mental tools. I'm just noting how everyone from Darrell Green to Blache raves about him in practice, and then he just doesn't show up in games. The stage may be too big for him and he chokes up.
buster c
Footballguy
and yet I get the feeling they'll keep him to delay labeling last year's draft as a disaster
T Bell
Footballguy
You got to get your best 11 on the field!
Sebowski
Footballguy
I'd be alright with a deal that was for Devin, Kelly, or a future 3rd. It would most likely have to have a WR in the deal or we would have to cut Mitchell, or keep 6 WRs. Can't be El or Moss because of the cap hit. I wouldn't want it to be Moss anyway. That video of him being a total jackass is worrisome though.Snyder is calling Denver right now...just a hunch.
dgreen
Footballguy
Just thought some of you might want to see this funny by fatness in last night's Phi-Jax game thread:
I seriously think Redskins fans are the funniest fans on this board.
I seriously think Redskins fans are the funniest fans on this board.
Sebowski
Footballguy
Too bad it just has to be you and some friends then...dgreen said:The whole family was supposed to go to tonight's game. However, the 2-year-old has puked three times this morning and it's supposed rain a lot tonight, like last week.
TitusIII
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Agreed, but Cutler was the player from Denver that would have helped the most over the next decade. I thought the Skins, I was sure of it in fact, would have given up the two #1 picks the Bears did, but oh well...Nevertheless, Snyder doesn't seem to mind having players with questionable character(and he is far from alone, don't get me wrong) on the squad, so the Marshall to Washington rumors make sense...Snyder is calling Denver right now...just a hunch.
dgreen
Footballguy
Too bad it just has to be you and some friends then...dgreen said:The whole family was supposed to go to tonight's game. However, the 2-year-old has puked three times this morning and it's supposed rain a lot tonight, like last week.Hopefully it still works out because I'd love to get my first look at Orakpo in person.
Actually, I love taking the kids to games. Have to start the brainwashing early so they don't stray.It's thunderstorming like mad right now, so maybe it will have passed through by tonight. If not, I probably won't go. Regular season, yes. Preseason, no.
Bizkiteer
Footballguy
As I have always told my two boyz...you don't have to be a Redskins fan if you don't want to be. You can choose from any of the 31 teams, which someone always points out that there are 32. I quickly reply, "The Cowboys are not an option!"Each of my boys find that rooting for the 'Skins is a sure way to get more of their Dad's love though, kids are plain ol smart these days.Too bad it just has to be you and some friends then...dgreen said:The whole family was supposed to go to tonight's game. However, the 2-year-old has puked three times this morning and it's supposed rain a lot tonight, like last week.Hopefully it still works out because I'd love to get my first look at Orakpo in person.
Actually, I love taking the kids to games. Have to start the brainwashing early so they don't stray.
Brunell4MVP
Footballguy
Agreed. Or a 2nd. Or Kelly. Anything but a 1st, since we may need a QB next year.Marshall opens up the field for Moss, Cooley, and Portis.
Han Solo
Footballguy
Since the Redskin offense seems to be one of the worst in the league what is the homers opinions on traveling to Dallas knowing your punter will be on the field 10-15 times and likely punting it off the scorboard several times? Seems like it could turn into an embarrasing display. Any thoughts on this?
I disagree, I think it is Gibbs's influence but we tend to be among the higher character teams in the league.Agreed, but Cutler was the player from Denver that would have helped the most over the next decade. I thought the Skins, I was sure of it in fact, would have given up the two #1 picks the Bears did, but oh well...Nevertheless, Snyder doesn't seem to mind having players with questionable character(and he is far from alone, don't get me wrong) on the squad, so the Marshall to Washington rumors make sense...Snyder is calling Denver right now...just a hunch.
T Bell
Footballguy
I disagree, I think it is Gibbs's influence but we tend to be among the higher character teams in the league.Agreed, but Cutler was the player from Denver that would have helped the most over the next decade. I thought the Skins, I was sure of it in fact, would have given up the two #1 picks the Bears did, but oh well...Nevertheless, Snyder doesn't seem to mind having players with questionable character(and he is far from alone, don't get me wrong) on the squad, so the Marshall to Washington rumors make sense...Snyder is calling Denver right now...just a hunch.
Just a reminder, Marshall never had ANY issues with his TEAM OR COACHES until this offseason. His prior issues were all domestic crap. I can easily see him getting traded, a new contract that pays him what he's worth, and he acts like a perfect angel to his owner, coach, and team. I'd say that's MORE than likely. Now how good OFF the field he is, I wouldn't make any bets....
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Bizkiteer
Footballguy
We always do fairly well vs Dallas in Dallas, it's when they come to DC that our performance is questionable. We just have to teach Hunter Smith how to kick it at the Jerry Jones' suite.Since the Redskin offense seems to be one of the worst in the league what is the homers opinions on traveling to Dallas knowing your punter will be on the field 10-15 times and likely punting it off the scorboard several times? Seems like it could turn into an embarrasing display. Any thoughts on this?
T Bell
Footballguy
How'd that work with Plax?
fatness
Footballguy
fatness
Footballguy
I don't like all the special rules for the Special Cowboys.* A personal foul shall be assessed against the visiting team whenever Jerry Jones's view of the video screen is blocked.* All Special Cowboy players are allowed to slap. Really hard, too. * A personal foul shall be assessed against the visiting team when a Special Cowboy player breaks a nail.* Opposing team players shall be ejected immediately for "dirty looks". * Do-overs shall be played when the Special Cowboys fail to convert a first down opportunity.Since the Redskin offense seems to be one of the worst in the league what is the homers opinions on traveling to Dallas knowing your punter will be on the field 10-15 times and likely punting it off the scorboard several times? Seems like it could turn into an embarrasing display. Any thoughts on this?
fatness
Footballguy
http://www.justin.tv/sky_high_2Redskins hold NE to 3-and-out.
Redskins drive 69 yards for a TD, aided by 2 NE penalties and some good passing by Campbell. Marcus Mason scores the TD.
Jewell
Footballguy
After this game, I think two things are fairly evident about the QB position in Washington. Chase Daniel will be the third QB, and no QB on the team is close to Jason Campbell. Though much maligned, the Skins will either sink or swim with Campbell at the Helm.
On the other side of the ball, the Skins are a team that potentially could be reckoned with. Haynesworth occupying two blockers and Orakpo coming around the corner can give the Skins that pass rush that they've sorely been missing the past couple years.
On the other side of the ball, the Skins are a team that potentially could be reckoned with. Haynesworth occupying two blockers and Orakpo coming around the corner can give the Skins that pass rush that they've sorely been missing the past couple years.
fatness
Footballguy
I don't see a real good defensive line there yet. It's a big improvement over last year's d-line; I'd say they've improved all the way to "average" or "slightly above average". But I haven't seen anything more than that. It may come during the season, though. Orakpo and Haynesworth are new to the team, and Daniels was out all last year.
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