***Official*** 2009 Washington Redskins Thread (2 Viewers)

[Maroney=Sped]

I'm reading and hearing complaints about how much time Haynesworth was not on the field. Wasn't this expected? I thought it was fairly well discussed in the offseason that the DTs would rotate a good bit not just because of the depth now available, but also to keep Haynesworth healthy all season. The talk seemed to always be that he'd be in roughly 50% of the defensive snaps.When he was in, he was disruptive. That disruption didn't always lead to big plays, but I think he was a problem for the Giants pretty much every time he was on the field. And I don't recall any plays where it could have been said "man, if only Haynesworth had been in there". But then again, I wasn't keeping a log of when he was in or out.

You can count on one hand the number of times the Giants tried to run between the tackles, and Haynesworth crushed them every time. Unfortunately the defense's stopping of the runs to the outside was poor (an area where I'd have liked to have seen Orakpo have an impact). Anyway, Haynesworth did his job, and the impact he has has as much to do with what he forces the opposition to do, and what he enables his teammates to do, than with anything that would give him personal stats. People need to get their heads around this. And good point about the DT rotation. Troy Aikman sounded like an idiot yesterday expressing disbelief that Haynesworth was taking a one-play breather.

 

[Maroney=Sped]

This may be crazy and heresy, but the problem with this team is Joe Bugel and his connection back to the Hogs and the glory days of Gibbs I. Because he's the line coach, everyone from Danny Boy on down, thinks that he can magically remake any group of linemen into the Hogs and they can bulldoze their way into the endzone when the ge inside the 5 yard line. They think that they can run Counter Trey or off tackle at will, because they did it behind Jacoby and Grimm with Riggins and Rogers. But those guys are LONG gone and Bugel is 70 years old and the NFL has changed. That's why they didn't throw into the endzone after the Hall pick. Becuase "Redskins Football" is to smash mouth it into the endzone, not some sissy throwing a fade. We are doomed to mediocrity because of past success.Everyone said that Gibbs was in over his head because the NFL changed but for some reason Bugel is immune to criticism. Oh and if Bugel is so great, how come Rinehart was inactive AGAIN? It's time to admit that his guy is a total dry hole.

I've wondered the same thing. It's just tough to tell whether the fundamental problem is that Buges has no talent to work with, or that his reputation blinds people to the results he gets.

 

[Sidewinder16]

This may be crazy and heresy, but the problem with this team is Joe Bugel and his connection back to the Hogs and the glory days of Gibbs I. Because he's the line coach, everyone from Danny Boy on down, thinks that he can magically remake any group of linemen into the Hogs and they can bulldoze their way into the endzone when the ge inside the 5 yard line. They think that they can run Counter Trey or off tackle at will, because they did it behind Jacoby and Grimm with Riggins and Rogers. But those guys are LONG gone and Bugel is 70 years old and the NFL has changed. That's why they didn't throw into the endzone after the Hall pick. Becuase "Redskins Football" is to smash mouth it into the endzone, not some sissy throwing a fade. We are doomed to mediocrity because of past success.Everyone said that Gibbs was in over his head because the NFL changed but for some reason Bugel is immune to criticism. Oh and if Bugel is so great, how come Rinehart was inactive AGAIN? It's time to admit that his guy is a total dry hole.

I've wondered the same thing. It's just tough to tell whether the fundamental problem is that Buges has no talent to work with, or that his reputation blinds people to the results he gets.

The biggest OL issue (mainly as a result of injuries, but an issue nonetheless) last year was pass protection. We heard about it all offseason, and it seemed to be focused on heavily during TC. We all saw the improvement (unless you're Bizkiteer ) in that area this game, and I'm happy for it, but I'm wondering if it was so focused on that they've taken a step back in run blocking.We know that this OL personnel (for the most part) loves to play smashmouth and has been lights out run blocking in the past. Hopefully they can regain that while still keeping the pass pro improvements.

 

[sinatravolta]

To me the biggest problem on offense was not letting Campbell get comfortable early. First game of the season - let your guy get into a rhythm with some 5-15 yard throws on the 1st possession. After starting with a great run - that's a perfect time to follow up with a short to medium pass and get Campbell going. But the reverse with Randel El looking to throw was terrible - what are you saying about your confidence in your QB that you're asking the WR to throw the first pass this year? Then 2nd and 18 set up no real chance for Campbell, a run and a dump-off screen. Then the 'skins get the ball back and they're on the 3 and you run 3 times? I understand it's dangerous back there - but start with a pass and just tell Campbell to get rid of it quickly. Giants will be expecting run there. If you pass a couple of times and it's still 3rd and long, then if you want to be conservative go run when they might be expecting pass. But give him a chance. Campbell didn't get to actually make a play until a few minutes into the 2nd quarter! Unbelievable. This is what I hated about Gibbs 2.0. Play conservative all game - and hope to be behind only a little - and then expect the QB to go into passing mode when you haven't given him a chance to get going all game.

On D - it was the not getting off the field on 3rd and long. I expect the pass rush to get better as the season goes on - but still it's disappointing the players/scheme couldn't do better than that.

Anyway - the team should look much better next week against the Rams on both sides of the ball. This upcoming schedule should give the team a chance to build some confidence/unity - and then the question is can they hold onto that this year whereas they couldn't last year. I think you have to accept that a team like the Giants who have more continuity and winning experience are going to look better especially in week 1 of the season and playing at home.

Zorn and the Redskins looked much worse week 1 last year. Let's hope the next few weeks give a chance for the team to start gelling. I know in the NFL you can't overlook any team, but I'd like to see the 'skins win a couple of games easily during this upcoming stretch. I feel like it's been a long time since that happened.

 

[Maroney=Sped]

The end around option with Randle El on the second offensive play is precisely why I hate scripting the first 15 plays. While not a bad idea in the abstract to slow down a quick defense and create doubt in the defensive secondary about their role in run support, that was an awful call.

IMHO you should take a very positive run by Portis, and then you get Campbell into rhythm with some short throws mixed with rushes to get an early score and build confidence.

In fairness, ARE blew it by failing to throw the ball away, but that play call was ridiculous, especially for an offense that has emphasized all preseason the need to get Campbell into rhythm. Zorn was simply trying to hard there.

 

[buster c]

the 3-headed smash-mouth running Ravens began their game yesterday with Joe Flacco - also in year 2 of the same offense - throwing the ball on the first 7 plays.

exactly the approach I called for with #17

Zorn is going to get himself soooo fired unless he unleashes his big hoss. hey, I'm clearly on record as saying he doesn't have it (and the fumble & going over the LOS on the INT point to that), but you have to give him the opportunity. if for no other reason than to shut me up.

 

[DCThunder]

We know that this OL personnel (for the most part) loves to play smashmouth and has been lights out run blocking in the past. Hopefully they can regain that while still keeping the pass pro improvements.

You can love to do something and not be very good at it. I disagree tha they've been "lights out" at run blocking in the past. They haven't been very good at scoring by running from inside the 5 yard line because all opposing DCs KNOW that they are a one trick pony down close because of that legacy of "Redskins Football" and smashing it in. Even back in the day it didn't always work. Throw on first down to shake things up if nothing else.

 

[dgreen]

...the team should look much better next week against the Rams on both sides of the ball....I'd like to see the 'skins win a couple of games easily during this upcoming stretch. I feel like it's been a long time since that happened.

They were better against NY yesterday than they were last year. Now, with the "easy" portion of the schedule coming, they must be better there than last year, too. They need some convincing wins. The problem with their 6-2 start last year was that they didn't put anyone away. They didn't make you think, "Yes, they're really better than those teams." If this is a team that wants to take a step forward, they can't barely beat teams like they did against Detroit and Cleveland last year. And, they certainly can't lose like they did against St. Louis.Next week is actually going to be huge. Anything less than a two-score win (something like 24-10) and I'll probably start to worry.

 

[Ripleys]

All i know is, Campbell can't throw an accurate deep pass to save his life. He may have his strengths in other areas, but he has never, and I'm starting to think will never, ever be able to hit a WR in stride if he's more than 25 yards down field. This team is going to dink and dunk all year because he just can't get it done down field. Remember when Mark Rypian hit every WR in stride during that magical 3rd SB season? Just once, just once, I'd like to see Campbell do that. I think that year Mark made like 20+ completions for 40+ yards didn't he? *I just looked it up and during that amazing 91 season, he averaged just under 15 yards per completion. wow

 

[Bizkiteer]

I'm reading and hearing complaints about how much time Haynesworth was not on the field. Wasn't this expected? I thought it was fairly well discussed in the offseason that the DTs would rotate a good bit not just because of the depth now available, but also to keep Haynesworth healthy all season. The talk seemed to always be that he'd be in roughly 50% of the defensive snaps.When he was in, he was disruptive. That disruption didn't always lead to big plays, but I think he was a problem for the Giants pretty much every time he was on the field. And I don't recall any plays where it could have been said "man, if only Haynesworth had been in there". But then again, I wasn't keeping a log of when he was in or out.

Fat Al was a beast yesterday and was consistently pushing the OL back. The Giants were smart to run away from him and Blache & co were poor to compensate. I thought the commentary that they hadn't mentioned his name was their fault and not Haynesworth's because he was out there making a difference. The other DL played typical...non existant football, other than maybe Alexander who looks to be a breath of fresh air.

 

[Maroney=Sped]

All i know is, Campbell can't throw an accurate deep pass to save his life. He may have his strengths in other areas, but he has never, and I'm starting to think will never, ever be able to hit a WR in stride if he's more than 25 yards down field. This team is going to dink and dunk all year because he just can't get it done down field. Remember when Mark Rypian hit every WR in stride during that magical 3rd SB season? Just once, just once, I'd like to see Campbell do that. I think that year Mark made like 20+ completions for 40+ yards didn't he? *I just looked it up and during that amazing 91 season, he averaged just under 15 yards per completion. wow

There's a small sample size - which Zorn is supposedly trying to fix through more aggressive play-calling - but Campbell has hit plenty of deep throws. Moss last year in the Saints game was a great example. He's definitely inconsistent, though, but he plain flat needs more opportunities there too. His bread and butter, however, is between the hash marks at medium distance. They need to use that more.

 

[Maroney=Sped]

I'm reading and hearing complaints about how much time Haynesworth was not on the field. Wasn't this expected? I thought it was fairly well discussed in the offseason that the DTs would rotate a good bit not just because of the depth now available, but also to keep Haynesworth healthy all season. The talk seemed to always be that he'd be in roughly 50% of the defensive snaps.When he was in, he was disruptive. That disruption didn't always lead to big plays, but I think he was a problem for the Giants pretty much every time he was on the field. And I don't recall any plays where it could have been said "man, if only Haynesworth had been in there". But then again, I wasn't keeping a log of when he was in or out.

Fat Al was a beast yesterday and was consistently pushing the OL back. The Giants were smart to run away from him and Blatche & co were poor to compensate. I thought the commentary that they hadn't mentioned his name was their fault and not Haynesworth's because he was out there making a difference. The other DL played typical...non existant football, other than maybe Alexander who looks to be a breath of fresh air.

Carter was relevant yesterday too. Not as much as I'd like, but he did get a sack and forced fumble, and made Eli more aware of him.

 

[Brunell4MVP]

I'm on record saying I can't stand Campbell. He's a good guy, but has been overcoached in too many systems, and is now a step behind the play, gunshy, and slower than molases.

HOWEVER, until now I only blamed Campbell and not Zorn for our inability to score. Yesterday that changed forever. Zorn did not give the team to win this game and I blame him for the offensive woes. The play calling was horrendous. Every 2nd and 7 was a run left by Portis. They have got to 1) get plays to the huddle faster and 2) open up the offense by going to more 3 WR sets. He damn well better show confidence in his QB, otherwise put Collins in. What the hell is the point of running it 3 times from inside your own 10 when you are losing? What is the point of the Randel El end around when your QB needs confidence? Why didn't they throw the ball into the endzone a couple of times after the Hall interception - I mean, the screen to Moss on the goalline (WTF)?

Zorn better get his act in gear, or he may not last the year.

 

[dgreen]

All i know is, Campbell can't throw an accurate deep pass to save his life. He may have his strengths in other areas, but he has never, and I'm starting to think will never, ever be able to hit a WR in stride if he's more than 25 yards down field. This team is going to dink and dunk all year because he just can't get it done down field. Remember when Mark Rypian hit every WR in stride during that magical 3rd SB season? Just once, just once, I'd like to see Campbell do that. I think that year Mark made like 20+ completions for 40+ yards didn't he? *I just looked it up and during that amazing 91 season, he averaged just under 15 yards per completion. wow

There's a small sample size - which Zorn is supposedly trying to fix through more aggressive play-calling - but Campbell has hit plenty of deep throws. Moss last year in the Saints game was a great example. He's definitely inconsistent, though, but he plain flat needs more opportunities there too. His bread and butter, however, is between the hash marks at medium distance. They need to use that more.

That's the first play that jumped into my mind, too. But, it's the only one. He's hit some other stuff that I guess can be considered deep throws (I remember some to ARE against Philly and Miami a couple years ago and that one to Cooley this preseason), but that one to Moss last year is the only true bomb that I remember him hitting. And, more to Ripleys' point, it's the only one I remember hitting the WR in stride. He hit Moss on a couple deep balls at Dallas last year, but neither hit him in stride and they should have gone for TDs. He hits the deeper (20 yards) crossing patterns, but when the WR is running straight away from him, he misses it.

 

[Bizkiteer]

We can all agree that the next game should be different, but it's deja vu! We've been saying "it's only preseason" or "the next game" or "the next season" for a long time now.

Again, until they show that they are a different team on the field, we have to expect more of the same. I'll say it again, I'm not sure we don't have the talent to compete, but with the play calling on both side of the ball being sub-par, we will never know if we have the right tools or not. We shouldn't have to hope to play one of the worst team's in the NFL to have a good outing for our team.

 

[Bizkiteer]

I'm reading and hearing complaints about how much time Haynesworth was not on the field. Wasn't this expected? I thought it was fairly well discussed in the offseason that the DTs would rotate a good bit not just because of the depth now available, but also to keep Haynesworth healthy all season. The talk seemed to always be that he'd be in roughly 50% of the defensive snaps.When he was in, he was disruptive. That disruption didn't always lead to big plays, but I think he was a problem for the Giants pretty much every time he was on the field. And I don't recall any plays where it could have been said "man, if only Haynesworth had been in there". But then again, I wasn't keeping a log of when he was in or out.

Fat Al was a beast yesterday and was consistently pushing the OL back. The Giants were smart to run away from him and Blatche & co were poor to compensate. I thought the commentary that they hadn't mentioned his name was their fault and not Haynesworth's because he was out there making a difference. The other DL played typical...non existant football, other than maybe Alexander who looks to be a breath of fresh air.

Carter was relevant yesterday too. Not as much as I'd like, but he did get a sack and forced fumble, and made Eli more aware of him.

Fair enough, he was relevant to a degree, but as you put it...not as much as I would have liked either.

 

[dgreen]

All first down plays:

Drive  Half  Play	  Gain  Drive Result1	   1	Run		34	 Punt1	   1	ARE pass  -11	 Punt2	   1	Run		 0	 Punt3	   1	Pass	   17	  INT3	   1	Pass	   13	  INT3	   1	Run		 2	  INT4	   1	Run		 2	Fumb – NY TD4	   1	Sacked	-11	Fumb – NY TD5	   1	Pass	   11	   TD5	   1	Pass	   23	   TD5	   1	Pass	   35	   TD5	   1	 Run		2	   TD6	   2	 Run		2	 Punt6	   2	 Pass	 INC	 Punt6	   2	 Run		1	 Punt7	   2	 Run		1	 Punt7	   2	 Run		3	 Punt8	   2	 Run	   -6	   FG9	   2	 Run		0	 Punt10	  2	 Pass	 INC	   TD10	  2	 Pass	   4	   TD10	  2	 Pass	  16	   TD10	  2	 Pass	  17	   TD

They had success in the first half with Campbell throwing on 1st down (well, other than a fumble returned for a TD of course). Then, in the second half, they went to running on first down and struggled.

 

[dgreen]

So, that makes Campbell's first down passing: 8-10-135-1-0

 

[sinatravolta]

All first down plays:

Drive  Half  Play	  Gain  Drive Result1	   1	Run		34	 Punt1	   1	ARE pass  -11	 Punt2	   1	Run		 0	 Punt3	   1	Pass	   17	  INT3	   1	Pass	   13	  INT3	   1	Run		 2	  INT4	   1	Run		 2	Fumb – NY TD4	   1	Sacked	-11	Fumb – NY TD5	   1	Pass	   11	   TD5	   1	Pass	   23	   TD5	   1	Pass	   35	   TD5	   1	 Run		2	   TD6	   2	 Run		2	 Punt6	   2	 Pass	 INC	 Punt6	   2	 Run		1	 Punt7	   2	 Run		1	 Punt7	   2	 Run		3	 Punt8	   2	 Run	   -6	   FG9	   2	 Run		0	 Punt10	  2	 Pass	 INC	   TD10	  2	 Pass	   4	   TD10	  2	 Pass	  16	   TD10	  2	 Pass	  17	   TD

They had success in the first half with Campbell throwing on 1st down (well, other than a fumble returned for a TD of course). Then, in the second half, they went to running on first down and struggled.

Very interesting - thanks for posting this. Running on 1st down that means they were 11 for 41 (or 3.7 yards per play). However, that's a bit deceiving since 34 of those yards were on the 1st offensive play they had. After that one run, they were 10 for 7 (or 0.7 yards per play) when they ran on 1st down. Throwing on 1st down - they were 11 for 125, or 11.4 yards per play. I'm not counting the Randel El throw because that was just a terrible play call and not what we are talking about. Even if you want to count that - we are talking 12 for 114, 9.5 yards per play. Yes - you can also add in that the 'skins had a turnover on one of those plays. But you have to take the 10 or 11 yards per play over the 1 yard per play even if you are a little more likely to have a turnover at some point. To split evenly between running and passing on 1st down when the passes were having so much more success is just dumb.

 

[Maroney=Sped]

Great breakdown!

This seems to confirm my pre-game belief that this matchup required the pass to set up the run. Frustrating that they didn't do it and especially stick with it.

 

[Bizkiteer]

I'm not saying make the change, but one has to wonder how long DanMan and Boy Blunder will sit and watch the same ol inept offense. One has to wonder if a switch to Skeletor or someone else during the season is a possiblity that could actually happen.

 

[Maroney=Sped]

I'm not saying make the change, but one has to wonder how long DanMan and Boy Blunder will sit and watch the same ol inept offense. One has to wonder if a switch to Skeletor or someone else during the season is a possiblity that could actually happen.

They're committed for the season to Zorn and Campbell. They know what they got in Collins, and there's no future there. It would be a mistake of the first order to go chasing after the playoffs by making a switch to Collins. They need to take this year and definitively answer the question as to whether the future rests with Zorn and Campbell.

 

[dgreen]

I'm not saying make the change, but one has to wonder how long DanMan and Boy Blunder will sit and watch the same ol inept offense. One has to wonder if a switch to Skeletor or someone else during the season is a possiblity that could actually happen.

They're committed for the season to Zorn and Campbell. They know what they got in Collins, and there's no future there. It would be a mistake of the first order to go chasing after the playoffs by making a switch to Collins. They need to take this year and definitively answer the question as to whether the future rests with Zorn and Campbell.

I think too many people are remembering back to early Danny. Yes, he made a mistake firing Norv during the season. Yes, he made a mistake pushing Marty out. But, other than that, Snyder hasn't been the one behind the coaching changes. Spurrier realized he sucked and quit and Gibbs stepped down on his own because he could no longer commit to all the work needed. It's been 8 years since he forced Marty out and everyone still expects Zorn to be canned because they lost to one of the best teams in the league on the road by six whole points!

 

[Maroney=Sped]

I'm not saying make the change, but one has to wonder how long DanMan and Boy Blunder will sit and watch the same ol inept offense. One has to wonder if a switch to Skeletor or someone else during the season is a possiblity that could actually happen.

They're committed for the season to Zorn and Campbell. They know what they got in Collins, and there's no future there. It would be a mistake of the first order to go chasing after the playoffs by making a switch to Collins. They need to take this year and definitively answer the question as to whether the future rests with Zorn and Campbell.

I think too many people are remembering back to early Danny. Yes, he made a mistake firing Norv during the season. Yes, he made a mistake pushing Marty out. But, other than that, Snyder hasn't been the one behind the coaching changes. Spurrier realized he sucked and quit and Gibbs stepped down on his own because he could no longer commit to all the work needed. It's been 8 years since he forced Marty out and everyone still expects Zorn to be canned because they lost to one of the best teams in the league on the road by six whole points!

In fairness to that line of thinking, Campbell's contract is also up and there are a pretty unusual number of qualified veteran coaches who could be signed next offseason. It's put up or shut up time for Campbell in his fifth year, as it should be, and Zorn was brought in here specifically to develop Campbell. In other words there's some logic to the idea that this is a crossroads season for the team. Still, it's making a lot of fans even more impatient than they should be game to game this year.

 

[buster c]

DeAngelo Hall blames DeAngelo Hall for rough outing

One season after getting embarrassed by Eddie Royal during Hall's first game as a Raider, the Washington Redskin cornerback was burned repeatedly by the Giants receiver corps, especially in the first half.

The Giants appeared to be picking on the man that Washington gave $22.5 million guaranteed to during the offseason.

"I feel like the guy that just couldn't make a play to save my life," Hall told Comcast's Kelli Johnson, via Dan Steinberg of the Washington Post.

Hall went on to praise his defensive backfield teammates, and even deflected credit for his interception, saying he was originally beat on the play.

Hall's honesty is refreshing, but it doesn't change the fact that he's very prone to giving up big plays for such a high paid player.

Anything else you didn't do well, DeAngelo?

"You know, we definitely need to tackle better, myself probably No. 1 on that list. . . . Hell, I even made a stupid mistake on special teams, you know, got a block in the back. So all around, I just didn't execute and play to my ability at all."

Hard to argue with the man.

Responses to "DeAngelo Hall blames DeAngelo Hall for rough outing"

1. jeremyb91 says: September 13, 2009 10:51 PM

So two major contracts two years in a row, both loaded in guaranteed money. I guess Daniel Snyder is an idiot for signing him to this big contract.

2. swervinmervin says: September 13, 2009 10:59 PM

Just a few weeks ago there was an article where he was quoted blaming the Raiders for his miserable play last season. Yeah right. Some how Asoumuga (the best CB in the NFL) doesnt suffer from playing in Oakland.

The truth is what we saw today and last season in Oakland IS who Hall is. An overrated CB wh gets burned a lot, and everyone once and a while is in the right place to make an int.

Basically - he sucks.

3. sn@ke says: September 13, 2009 11:07 PM

The guy never could cover anyone, the Raiders cut him for god"s sake....just another Redskin free agent bust.

Hail!

4. ragin40 says: September 13, 2009 11:45 PM

The man has no talent....he sux and al saw it and cut him loose....

5. snnyjcbs says: September 14, 2009 12:06 AM

Halls mouth is much larger than his talent as he was made to look like a 5th round rookie while in Oakland.

How after seeing the way he was punked time after time in Oakland I do not know how any team in the NFL would have gave him that kind of money.

6. Darth Ringo says: September 14, 2009 12:20 AM

That's better than Deangelo talking about how great Deangelo is.

Still, point well taken, it's baffling how much money Snyder tosses around every year to questionable players.

I wonder what he tips the pizza delivery guy.

7. golongboyee says: September 14, 2009 12:35 AM

Deangelo Hall + Albert Haynesworth = continued mediocrity + no future

8. east96st says: September 14, 2009 12:57 AM

THE DeAngelo Hall? A key defensive cog in the football machine that Florio has picked to represent the NFC in the Super Bowl? If Florio is a believer, this guy must be stud. Just an off game. That path to the Super Bowl is still on track, right Florio?

9. CBS, FOX, ESPN, NFLN nbc says: September 14, 2009 1:26 AM

D.Hall's ankles are definitely in ice tonight.

10. WCRaider says: September 14, 2009 2:34 AM

What were Al Davis and the Raiders thinking by cutting the premier cornerback Deangeblow Hard?

11. bake says: September 14, 2009 8:28 AM

Deangelo hall is the best corner in the nfc east. and for that matter, jason campbell is the best qb in the nfc east

and for that matter dam snyder is the best owner in the nfc east.

and for that matter vinny cerrato is the best personeel man in the nfc east.

I just don't know why we didn't blitz Tom brady more in that 52-7 loss...........

12. KingJoe! says: September 14, 2009 9:15 AM

Well that is cause Hall stinks! If the skins cant stop a bunch of borderline starters at WR, what will happen when they play real WR's. Another year of the skins going south. Bring on Coach Chin, a defense with teeth and a QB with a heart.

13. That's really big of Hall to admit his mistakes in the game. I guess that's the reason for his, hey-everyone-look-at-me-god's glory-celebration, after the ball fell Joe in Toronto, Canada says:

September 14, 2009 10:10 AM

"So all around, I just didn't execute and play to my ability at all."

Hard to argue with the man.

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You just bought his crap, Florio.

This is just Hall buying time, again. Dude can't play man at all, not yesterday, not today, not ever.

14. Ray Guy says: September 14, 2009 11:32 AM

So Hall's just now figuring out now what everyone else knew years ago?

15. Branephood says: September 14, 2009 1:22 PM

DeAngela and the Foreskins will have another miserable year full of excuses and BS press conferences afterwards trying to explain how looking at more film and working harder will somehow transform this pile of chumps into a something resembling a professional football team. On a side note, that number 3 receiver Santana Moss better do his homework on the next guy who's face he decides to get in. How classic was that to see that punk get taken down with a forearm firmly planted in his face?

Hail indeed lmaoooooooooo

 

[buster c]

JETS QB SANCHEZ MAKES IMPRESSIVE ROOKIE DEBUT

Posted Sep. 14 at 01:04 AM

New York Jets QB Mark Sanchez completed 18 of 31 passes for 272 yards one touchdown and one interception in a 24-7 victory over the Houston Texans. Sanchez led the Jets on scoring drives of 68, 78, 80 and 87 yards in his NFL debut.

Source: New Jersey Star-Ledger.

 

[Maroney=Sped]

JETS QB SANCHEZ MAKES IMPRESSIVE ROOKIE DEBUT

Posted Sep. 14 at 01:04 AM

New York Jets QB Mark Sanchez completed 18 of 31 passes for 272 yards one touchdown and one interception in a 24-7 victory over the Houston Texans. Sanchez led the Jets on scoring drives of 68, 78, 80 and 87 yards in his NFL debut.

Source: New Jersey Star-Ledger.

That's pretty impressive against the Giants at the Meadowlands. Wait-I know you have a hard-on for Zorn's and Campbell's heads on a stick, but keep the Sanchez crap out of here.

 

[Maroney=Sped]

DeAngelo Hall blames DeAngelo Hall for rough outing

His pathetic attempt at an arm tackle on the Manningham TD was downright embarrassing. Deion thinks that was a poor effort. He needed to knock Manningham out of bounds and was in perfect position to do so, and instead he tried to play flag football.

 

[dgreen]

DeAngelo Hall blames DeAngelo Hall for rough outing

His pathetic attempt at an arm tackle on the Manningham TD was downright embarrassing. Deion thinks that was a poor effort. He needed to knock Manningham out of bounds and was in perfect position to do so, and instead he tried to play flag football.

I was at least prepared to give him some credit for the INT, but apparently, by his own admission, he was in the wrong place at the wrong time and Landry just happened to tip it to him. I'll give him credit for a good return, though. Other than that, he gets an F.

 

[TankRizzo]

I'm not saying make the change, but one has to wonder how long DanMan and Boy Blunder will sit and watch the same ol inept offense. One has to wonder if a switch to Skeletor or someone else during the season is a possiblity that could actually happen.

If (ie when) Shannahan is hired, does he co-exist with Vinny or does he get canned all together or just get relegated to lapdog? I don't see how Shannahan could be subservient, or even co-exist with Vinny knowing how badly he fleeced him in trades.edit: Ooops, meant hired, not fired

 

[buster c]

JETS QB SANCHEZ MAKES IMPRESSIVE ROOKIE DEBUT

Posted Sep. 14 at 01:04 AM

New York Jets QB Mark Sanchez completed 18 of 31 passes for 272 yards one touchdown and one interception in a 24-7 victory over the Houston Texans. Sanchez led the Jets on scoring drives of 68, 78, 80 and 87 yards in his NFL debut.

Source: New Jersey Star-Ledger.

That's pretty impressive against the Giants at the Meadowlands. Wait-I know you have a hard-on for Zorn's and Campbell's heads on a stick, but keep the Sanchez crap out of here.

Ok, whatever you say

 

[Marvelous]

Also, our OL did not play well. A few people said it improved, but I don't see. NYG stuffed the run, other than CP's first run. NYG pressured JC all day and even several players went untouched on several of their blitzes. So, I really don't understand how anyone can say it was better.

I thought they were very good in pass protection. Campbell enjoyed a nice pocket pretty much all day. That's why he was able to complete 73% of his passes for 8.1 yards per attempt.It appears the run blocking was very predictable (all but one run to the left). I'm not sure many OLs could produce many holes against a defense of NY's caliber when they seem to know exactly where the run is going. That being said, we might have all made a poor assumption by just assuming the running game would continue to be just as good as previous seasons.

Coming out of the preseason, I thought the pass blocking looked pretty good and I was very concerned about the run blocking. Nothing has changed from my perspective.

 

[Marvelous]

It's already been mentioned, but just want to echo my disappointment in Landry today. Horrible tackling and the late hit on Jacobs was stupid. I'm hoping the "revenge on Jacobs" emotion was to blame and he settles down and plays good football next week.One other thing that just now jumped out at me hard from the gamebook, but Portis had 16 carries AND ONLY 1 WENT RIGHT. And that one was his last carry, near the end of the 3rd (their last "true" running play). Either the coaches (erroneously) thought there was something there they could exploit, or there are still some serious run blocking issues on the right side of the line. Either way, that's a disturbing trend.

I'd love to get on the Landry bandwagon, but so far he's been un-impressive to me. I am referring to his career, all this hype and so far not much substance. Yes, he's got great potential, but so far he makes as many bonehead plays and good plays. I think he thinks he's better than he really is or Blatche is not using him the best way. Since our coaching staff has done that previously with many other players, I give Landry a pinch of salt's worth of a doubt. So far, Horton is just as effective as Landry and he wasn't a top 10 pick either. Hmm...Man, I miss Sean Taylor...

Ditto on Sean Taylor. My impression is that Landry just may be better suited to play SS closer to the line of scrimmage. Buit we already have Horton and Doughty who can do that pretty well. We don't really have an alternative at FS.

 

[Sidewinder16]

JETS QB SANCHEZ MAKES IMPRESSIVE ROOKIE DEBUT

Posted Sep. 14 at 01:04 AM

New York Jets QB Mark Sanchez completed 18 of 31 passes for 272 yards one touchdown and one interception in a 24-7 victory over the Houston Texans. Sanchez led the Jets on scoring drives of 68, 78, 80 and 87 yards in his NFL debut.

Source: New Jersey Star-Ledger.

Sounds like you think Snyderatto is a good judge of football talent. Sanchez was/is a very decent QB prospect (I'll hold out any final judgments until sometime after he has one NFL game under his belt, but yes, so far, so good).

Although, I have a hard time believing, had they actually been able to find a willing trading partner to move up and get Sanchez, you would be in here praising them for the move.

FWIW, at the time I hated the "pursuit of the next shiny trophy player" that was the Cutler and Sanchez courtships, but in hindsight I believe it was the right thing to do. There are (still) absolutely no guarantees that Campbell will/can be the QB of the future, so what were they supposed to do? Sit on their hands until after this season is over just to watch Campbell walk away? Then what? There are no QBs even remotely worth trying to acquire becoming FAs after this season, and I don't believe next year's QB draft class is extremely promising (at least not from somewhere around the #15 draft slot). That leaves them with Todd Collins, Colt Brennan and the dregs of the rest of the league. :X I have a sinking feeling we're going to be lamenting the fact that Cutler and Sanchez "got away" a year from now.

 

[Marvelous]

I'm not saying make the change, but one has to wonder how long DanMan and Boy Blunder will sit and watch the same ol inept offense. One has to wonder if a switch to Skeletor or someone else during the season is a possiblity that could actually happen.

They're committed for the season to Zorn and Campbell. They know what they got in Collins, and there's no future there. It would be a mistake of the first order to go chasing after the playoffs by making a switch to Collins. They need to take this year and definitively answer the question as to whether the future rests with Zorn and Campbell.

There is no way you can hire a big name coach in mid-season. The coach needs to see all his suitors. Danny needs to be part of the chase. Plus, there is little a coach from the outside can change in mid-season. I think they will stick with Zorn the whole season, no matter how bad it turns out. If they fire him during the season, you are looking at Bugel or Blatche as the interim coach.

 

[Marvelous]

I'm not saying make the change, but one has to wonder how long DanMan and Boy Blunder will sit and watch the same ol inept offense. One has to wonder if a switch to Skeletor or someone else during the season is a possiblity that could actually happen.

If (ie when) Shannahan is hired, does he co-exist with Vinny or does he get canned all together or just get relegated to lapdog? I don't see how Shannahan could be subservient, or even co-exist with Vinny knowing how badly he fleeced him in trades.edit: Ooops, meant hired, not fired

Do people think Shanahan would be the leading candidate? I thought Cohwer would be the best out there. Both will want control of personnel. I suspect Schottenheimer fired Vinny because he did not want Danny's pet around. Most likely, a new coach with any type of resume will insist on the same thing.You all realize one reason we have Zorn as the head coach is most coaches who have choices will not come to the Redskins.

 

[Bizkiteer]

I'm not saying make the change, but one has to wonder how long DanMan and Boy Blunder will sit and watch the same ol inept offense. One has to wonder if a switch to Skeletor or someone else during the season is a possiblity that could actually happen.

They're committed for the season to Zorn and Campbell. They know what they got in Collins, and there's no future there. It would be a mistake of the first order to go chasing after the playoffs by making a switch to Collins. They need to take this year and definitively answer the question as to whether the future rests with Zorn and Campbell.

I think too many people are remembering back to early Danny. Yes, he made a mistake firing Norv during the season. Yes, he made a mistake pushing Marty out. But, other than that, Snyder hasn't been the one behind the coaching changes. Spurrier realized he sucked and quit and Gibbs stepped down on his own because he could no longer commit to all the work needed. It's been 8 years since he forced Marty out and everyone still expects Zorn to be canned because they lost to one of the best teams in the league on the road by six whole points!

In fairness to that line of thinking, Campbell's contract is also up and there are a pretty unusual number of qualified veteran coaches who could be signed next offseason. It's put up or shut up time for Campbell in his fifth year, as it should be, and Zorn was brought in here specifically to develop Campbell. In other words there's some logic to the idea that this is a crossroads season for the team. Still, it's making a lot of fans even more impatient than they should be game to game this year.

I think Dan is smart enough that if he sees the same ol thing and doesn't see too much energy being generated, he gets a jump on getting Shanny over other teams in the off-season. It has nothing to do with Campbell in cosdiering if he starts or not, it's about NOW and what is perceived to be our future. Does it mean that Snyder will give Zorn the axe during the season, NO. Is there a possiblity that it could actually happen, YES!!!! Dan Snyder is not so dumb that he won't try to get a jump on others (teams searching for HC's).Also Tank brought up the question, Vinny and Skeletor are friends...that is why we get raked over the coals in our DEN deals. So, they could co-exist together, if needed. Question would really be in capacity does Vinny stay in...raquetball buddy or actual FO role.

 

[Bizkiteer]

I'm not saying make the change, but one has to wonder how long DanMan and Boy Blunder will sit and watch the same ol inept offense. One has to wonder if a switch to Skeletor or someone else during the season is a possiblity that could actually happen.

If (ie when) Shannahan is hired, does he co-exist with Vinny or does he get canned all together or just get relegated to lapdog? I don't see how Shannahan could be subservient, or even co-exist with Vinny knowing how badly he fleeced him in trades.edit: Ooops, meant hired, not fired

Do people think Shanahan would be the leading candidate? I thought Cohwer would be the best out there. Both will want control of personnel. I suspect Schottenheimer fired Vinny because he did not want Danny's pet around. Most likely, a new coach with any type of resume will insist on the same thing.You all realize one reason we have Zorn as the head coach is most coaches who have choices will not come to the Redskins.

No, Cowher wanted to take a break. He was not interested in coaching at that point. Skeletor wasn't available at that time as he was leading the Orange Crush.

 

[fatness]

HOWEVER, until now I only blamed Campbell and not Zorn for our inability to score. Yesterday that changed forever. Zorn did not give the team to win this game and I blame him for the offensive woes. The play calling was horrendous. Every 2nd and 7 was a run left by Portis. They have got to 1) get plays to the huddle faster and 2) open up the offense by going to more 3 WR sets. He damn well better show confidence in his QB, otherwise put Collins in. What the hell is the point of running it 3 times from inside your own 10 when you are losing? What is the point of the Randel El end around when your QB needs confidence? Why didn't they throw the ball into the endzone a couple of times after the Hall interception - I mean, the screen to Moss on the goalline (WTF)?

Zorn better get his act in gear, or he may not last the year.

I blame Zorn more than anyone for the bad performance yesterday. His playcalling shows a lack of faith in Campbell and hurts the team's chances to win. He scripted the first 15 plays for the game, so the reverse to Randle El was a scripted play. Every ####### team in the league knows the Redskins try 1-3 reverses a game and they are ready for it. And he keeps calling them, usually one of them early, which usually is stuffed. The continuity on offense was so bad that they were still running the last of the 15 scripted plays in the second half.

The guy overcoaches Campbell and displays a lack of any knowledge of game flow --- how to create it or how to take advantage of it --- in his playcalling. He better get better at the playcalling pretty quickly. Local reporters covering the Skins have picked up on this failing, and unnamed players are starting to gripe about it.

 

[Bizkiteer]

HOWEVER, until now I only blamed Campbell and not Zorn for our inability to score. Yesterday that changed forever. Zorn did not give the team to win this game and I blame him for the offensive woes. The play calling was horrendous. Every 2nd and 7 was a run left by Portis. They have got to 1) get plays to the huddle faster and 2) open up the offense by going to more 3 WR sets. He damn well better show confidence in his QB, otherwise put Collins in. What the hell is the point of running it 3 times from inside your own 10 when you are losing? What is the point of the Randel El end around when your QB needs confidence? Why didn't they throw the ball into the endzone a couple of times after the Hall interception - I mean, the screen to Moss on the goalline (WTF)?

Zorn better get his act in gear, or he may not last the year.

I blame Zorn more than anyone for the bad performance yesterday. His playcalling shows a lack of faith in Campbell and hurts the team's chances to win. He scripted the first 15 plays for the game, so the reverse to Randle El was a scripted play. Every ####### team in the league knows the Redskins try 1-3 reverses a game and they are ready for it. And he keeps calling them, usually one of them early, which usually is stuffed. The continuity on offense was so bad that they were still running the last of the 15 scripted plays in the second half.

The guy overcoaches Campbell and displays a lack of any knowledge of game flow --- how to create it or how to take advantage of it --- in his playcalling. He better get better at the playcalling pretty quickly. Local reporters covering the Skins have picked up on this failing, and unnamed players are starting to gripe about it.

To hit it home even further...Just as every team in the NFL knows that Moss is going to get at least one screen pass a game. Thus, Moss was hit immediately when he caught it for a gain...errrr...loss of -2 yards on 1 of his 2 catches.

 

[Maroney=Sped]

HOWEVER, until now I only blamed Campbell and not Zorn for our inability to score. Yesterday that changed forever. Zorn did not give the team to win this game and I blame him for the offensive woes. The play calling was horrendous. Every 2nd and 7 was a run left by Portis. They have got to 1) get plays to the huddle faster and 2) open up the offense by going to more 3 WR sets. He damn well better show confidence in his QB, otherwise put Collins in. What the hell is the point of running it 3 times from inside your own 10 when you are losing? What is the point of the Randel El end around when your QB needs confidence? Why didn't they throw the ball into the endzone a couple of times after the Hall interception - I mean, the screen to Moss on the goalline (WTF)?

Zorn better get his act in gear, or he may not last the year.

I blame Zorn more than anyone for the bad performance yesterday. His playcalling shows a lack of faith in Campbell and hurts the team's chances to win. He scripted the first 15 plays for the game, so the reverse to Randle El was a scripted play. Every ####### team in the league knows the Redskins try 1-3 reverses a game and they are ready for it. And he keeps calling them, usually one of them early, which usually is stuffed. The continuity on offense was so bad that they were still running the last of the 15 scripted plays in the second half.

The guy overcoaches Campbell and displays a lack of any knowledge of game flow --- how to create it or how to take advantage of it --- in his playcalling. He better get better at the playcalling pretty quickly. Local reporters covering the Skins have picked up on this failing, and unnamed players are starting to gripe about it.

To hit it home even further...Just as every team in the NFL knows that Moss is going to get at least one screen pass a game. Thus, Moss was hit immediately when he caught it for a gain...errrr...loss of -2 yards on 1 of his 2 catches.

Moreover, Campbell is excellent rolling to his right (the INT yesterday came from indecision IMHO rather than this being a weakness), and yet there were no designed roll outs, including any in the red zone that could allow him to buy time and allow his receivers to get open or, in the alternative, to run the ball into the end zone. That's poor play-calling right there.

 

[buster c]

I'm not saying make the change, but one has to wonder how long DanMan and Boy Blunder will sit and watch the same ol inept offense. One has to wonder if a switch to Skeletor or someone else during the season is a possiblity that could actually happen.

They're committed for the season to Zorn and Campbell. They know what they got in Collins, and there's no future there. It would be a mistake of the first order to go chasing after the playoffs by making a switch to Collins. They need to take this year and definitively answer the question as to whether the future rests with Zorn and Campbell.

I think too many people are remembering back to early Danny. Yes, he made a mistake firing Norv during the season. Yes, he made a mistake pushing Marty out. But, other than that, Snyder hasn't been the one behind the coaching changes. Spurrier realized he sucked and quit and Gibbs stepped down on his own because he could no longer commit to all the work needed. It's been 8 years since he forced Marty out and everyone still expects Zorn to be canned because they lost to one of the best teams in the league on the road by six whole points!

early Danny? :X

how many owners actually hire the offensive coordinator b4 the head coach?



that's the rub. ain't no way things will ever change around here with the rich little boy king in charge here

 

[buster c]

JETS QB SANCHEZ MAKES IMPRESSIVE ROOKIE DEBUT

Posted Sep. 14 at 01:04 AM

New York Jets QB Mark Sanchez completed 18 of 31 passes for 272 yards one touchdown and one interception in a 24-7 victory over the Houston Texans. Sanchez led the Jets on scoring drives of 68, 78, 80 and 87 yards in his NFL debut.

Source: New Jersey Star-Ledger.

Sounds like you think Snyderatto is a good judge of football talent. Sanchez was/is a very decent QB prospect (I'll hold out any final judgments until sometime after he has one NFL game under his belt, but yes, so far, so good).

Although, I have a hard time believing, had they actually been able to find a willing trading partner to move up and get Sanchez, you would be in here praising them for the move.

FWIW, at the time I hated the "pursuit of the next shiny trophy player" that was the Cutler and Sanchez courtships, but in hindsight I believe it was the right thing to do. There are (still) absolutely no guarantees that Campbell will/can be the QB of the future, so what were they supposed to do? Sit on their hands until after this season is over just to watch Campbell walk away? Then what? There are no QBs even remotely worth trying to acquire becoming FAs after this season, and I don't believe next year's QB draft class is extremely promising (at least not from somewhere around the #15 draft slot). That leaves them with Todd Collins, Colt Brennan and the dregs of the rest of the league. I have a sinking feeling we're going to be lamenting the fact that Cutler and Sanchez "got away" a year from now.

to be honest, I posted the blurb on Sanchez because he was a hot offseason topic here. It's a nice accomplishment for him as a rookie on the road in his 1st start. I did not expect that. It's early, for sure, but I like his future. for the record, I was against acquiring Cutler/Sanchez - look it up. I was against it only because the FO would have been anally pounded - as has happened in EVERY deal they've made.

Actually, I'm guessing that our next QB is still in school...and we'll probably send our 2010 top 10 pick and our #1 in 2011 to the Rams for the rights to the Longhorn.

 

[ChrisCooleyFan]

For a team that let alot of 3rd and longs. Why was Rak never rushing from the de spot?

 

[TankRizzo]

For a team that let alot of 3rd and longs. Why was Rak never rushing from the de spot?

This is why we can't have nice things!

 

[Maroney=Sped]

For a team that let alot of 3rd and longs. Why was Rak never rushing from the de spot?

This is why we can't have nice things!

 

[Bizkiteer]

For a team that let alot of 3rd and longs. Why was Rak never rushing from the de spot?

That is a very valid questions as it appeared that RAK wasn't used often at all as a DE. I hope this topic gets discussed more by local media, but so far not much of any mention.

 

[Sidewinder16]

For a team that let alot of 3rd and longs. Why was Rak never rushing from the de spot?

That is a very valid questions as it appeared that RAK wasn't used often at all as a DE. I hope this topic gets discussed more by local media, but so far not much of any mention.

They're too busy being flabbergasted by the well known fact that Haynesworth can't actually play every defensive snap (yeah, I'm looking at you Sally Jenkins )

 

[Bizkiteer]

For a team that let alot of 3rd and longs. Why was Rak never rushing from the de spot?

That is a very valid questions as it appeared that RAK wasn't used often at all as a DE. I hope this topic gets discussed more by local media, but so far not much of any mention.

They're too busy being flabbergasted by the well known fact that Haynesworth can't actually play every defensive snap (yeah, I'm looking at you Sally Jenkins )

Yeah, that topic is old already...move on to topic 2 or B.

 

[DCThunder]

Did you know that the Redskins have gone 19 games without scoring 30 or more points in a game? That's the second longest streak in the NFL, second only to the Lions. That's back to the last year of Gibbs in 2007. Zorn's vaunted offense has NEVER scored 30 points or more.

Anybody want to predict how long this streak can grow?