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***Official*** 2009 Washington Redskins Thread (1 Viewer)

I'm starting to think the Lions will beat us, by double digits next week. I am DEAD serious too.
Came in here to ask a question on this topic. Not meaning to cause problems, asking seriously. In both my leagues we have a head coach position that gives you points for an NFL win and more for margin of victory. I saw the Redskins played the Rams this week and the Lions next week, the two teams I considered to be the worst in the league, so picked them up to start over the Ravens and Eagles, my normal head coaches.I haven't seen a Skins game yet this year. Are they really this bad that they barely can beat the Rams? Or do their scores (and lack of) not reflect the games they've played? I'm having second thoughts of starting them against the Lions now.
 
I'm starting to think the Lions will beat us, by double digits next week. I am DEAD serious too.
Came in here to ask a question on this topic. Not meaning to cause problems, asking seriously. In both my leagues we have a head coach position that gives you points for an NFL win and more for margin of victory. I saw the Redskins played the Rams this week and the Lions next week, the two teams I considered to be the worst in the league, so picked them up to start over the Ravens and Eagles, my normal head coaches.I haven't seen a Skins game yet this year. Are they really this bad that they barely can beat the Rams? Or do their scores (and lack of) not reflect the games they've played? I'm having second thoughts of starting them against the Lions now.
Their defense is not an illusion. The offense is capable of more but never seems to deliver. I'm about ready to write off Campbell and Zorn, which is what I'm sure the team will do by the offseason if things continue as they've begun. At this point the only Redskins players to even consider having in a non-IDP league are Portis and Cooley.
 
How TF can you hold the ball for 20 more plays and 10 more minutes than the opposition, outgain them by 100 yards, not lose the turnover battle, and barely win 9-7 at home without scoring a TD? How is that even ####### possible?

 
I realize players made mistakes today that killed many potential points, but Zorn isn't doing too much to get the team in a good rhythm. They still have no identity. If you asked the offensive players what their offense is about, I doubt they'd have an answer.

Today was extremely disappointing. I'd like to say they're better than that, but maybe they aren't.

I was at the game. I didn't get out of my seat until the last few defensive plays. Nothing else in the game did anything to make me want to stand up. This is likely the least inspirational performance since Spurrier. How does that happen?

Not sure how it came across on TV, but the crowd was not happy. As time wound down on a win and the offense was kneeling down, much of the crowd was booing. I have NEVER been to a game where the crowd booed at the end of a win. It was the most solemn walk down the ramps and out the stadium. There was no life as there usually is after a win. We all sensed that this is heading nowhere.

 
How TF can you hold the ball for 20 more plays and 10 more minutes than the opposition, outgain them by 100 yards, not lose the turnover battle, and barely win 9-7 at home without scoring a TD? How is that even ####### possible?
What is that crazy rectangular thing at the end of each field that says "REDSKINS"?IIRC, they were inside the 10 yard line 5 times...and scored 0 TDs. Fantastic!
 
I realize players made mistakes today that killed many potential points, but Zorn isn't doing too much to get the team in a good rhythm. They still have no identity. If you asked the offensive players what their offense is about, I doubt they'd have an answer.
This is especially evident on third downs. I have never seen a football team look so confused, tentative, nervous, baffled, out-of-sync, and so devoid of confidence on third downs. Week after week, month after month, and this is the second year of it. Sticking with the same personnel on the field after second down, and drawing third down plays out of a hat would be considerably more successful than what they do now. Stop thinking, just run ####### plays. And that is a coaching issue.
 
Well, they say a win is a WIN. I thought the fans boo'ing at when they were going in at halftime was telling, 'Skins fans are just getting fed up. I think that same feeling has been creeping up here and we keep trying to look for positive. Unfortunately, the frustration has been building for too long and it's coming to a head...

I like that Zorn is willing to go for it on 4th downs, I commend him for that. Other than that...our offense just looks there and I've said it multiple times, if we score...it feels like we've won the lottery. It just shouldn't be like that, not if we want to be a good team. As awesome as our defense supposedly is, we are consistent in giving up 1st downs on 3rd and long. I noticed that the CB's played more bump & run coverage, but it did little in our stopping their 3rd down attempts and success.

Plain and simple, had we played a "real" team today, we would have had it handed to us.

I have never been in favor of coaching switches during the season, but that might just have to change. I like Zorn as a guy, but my thinking is that this thing might need to be blown up to a degree. Regardless, it is looking like it might be one looooooong season. The good news is that we have not traded our 1st round pick...

...yet!

 
I realize players made mistakes today that killed many potential points, but Zorn isn't doing too much to get the team in a good rhythm. They still have no identity. If you asked the offensive players what their offense is about, I doubt they'd have an answer.
This is especially evident on third downs. I have never seen a football team look so confused, tentative, nervous, baffled, out-of-sync, and so devoid of confidence on third downs. Week after week, month after month, and this is the second year of it. Sticking with the same personnel on the field after second down, and drawing third down plays out of a hat would be considerably more successful than what they do now. Stop thinking, just run ####### plays. And that is a coaching issue.
:thumbup: Zorn doesn't give me the feeling that he knows what he wants to do out there. Redzone playcalling is a disaster. Yes, there were two potential TDs dropped, so there's plenty of blame to go around. But, Zorn doesn't attack the endzone. Every time they got inside the 10, the first play was a run. Not once did they give their big bodies a chance in the endzone. Kelly on a fade or slant? Marko got some plays in, but none at the goalline. And where's playaction? That would have been the perfect call on the last 4th down attempt. They really don't do much strong playaction anywhere on the field. But, I guess that would really only be successful if they actually strung together several good runs. It seems that Zorn thinks one good run is the perfect time to go spread formation and pass. How in the world does Portis only get 19 carries against this D?I know a lot of people complain about too many check downs, but they miss a ton of opportunities to get it to a RB wide open in the flat. The RB is rarely anything other than a dump route. Defenses don't really need to pay too much attention them.
 
if we score...it feels like we've won the lottery. It just shouldn't be like that, not if we want to be a good team.
Even though it wasn't there, I liked seeing the one deep pass to Kelly in the endzone. Campbell ended up throwing it away, but they at least called a play to take a shot into the endzone from fairly deep. Other than that, there was just the one pass to Devin Thomas in the endzone (Campbell threw another one away, way over ARE's head). Oh, and Portis' pass. :thumbup: So Portis ended up throwing as many catchable passes into the endzone as Campbell.
 
If i was a defensive coordinator in the NFL I would just let the Skins start at the 20 everytime. They are F'ing useless inside the 20s

 
It's like I said last week, they think they still have Riggins at RB when they get inside the 10 and that running counter Trey behind Jacoby, Grimm and Don Warren will get a TD every time. THROW the f'in ball on 1st and goal and not some pansy-#### half back option pass.

Zorn has balls the size of churchbells to go for it on 4 th 1 inside the 20, but he should have kicked the FG the second time....

 
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dgreen said:
Bizkiteer said:
if we score...it feels like we've won the lottery. It just shouldn't be like that, not if we want to be a good team.
Even though it wasn't there, I liked seeing the one deep pass to Kelly in the endzone. Campbell ended up throwing it away, but they at least called a play to take a shot into the endzone from fairly deep. Other than that, there was just the one pass to Devin Thomas in the endzone (Campbell threw another one away, way over ARE's head). Oh, and Portis' pass. :lmao: So Portis ended up throwing as many catchable passes into the endzone as Campbell.
That is sad isn't it? Our RB had basically as many catchable throws in the endzone as our QB. Portis and these 1 or 2 yard gains on first down is getting down right ridiculous. Oh well...we could go on for a long time about everything, but somethings just don't have to be said as one look at each other would suffice.
 
A win is a win...except that didn't feel like a win to me. That game was as good as a loss IMO. Zorn's keeping the seat warm for Shannahan.

Good to see Campbell throwing between the 20s though...if there is any upside to this game. He's still far from ideal though.

 
dgreen said:
I realize players made mistakes today that killed many potential points, but Zorn isn't doing too much to get the team in a good rhythm. They still have no identity. If you asked the offensive players what their offense is about, I doubt they'd have an answer.

Today was extremely disappointing. I'd like to say they're better than that, but maybe they aren't.

I was at the game. I didn't get out of my seat until the last few defensive plays. Nothing else in the game did anything to make me want to stand up. This is likely the least inspirational performance since Spurrier. How does that happen?

Not sure how it came across on TV, but the crowd was not happy. As time wound down on a win and the offense was kneeling down, much of the crowd was booing. I have NEVER been to a game where the crowd booed at the end of a win. It was the most solemn walk down the ramps and out the stadium. There was no life as there usually is after a win. We all sensed that this is heading nowhere.
Steinberg has a piece on the booing, including a lot of player quotes. Seems most of the team feels similar to the fans:
At the end of the day, the players and the fans probably largely feel the same. I'm not sure when I've been in so depressing a winning locker room. Several players were extremely agitated, and the news about Randy Thomas's potentially season-ending injury didn't help. There was hardly any laughing or joking or gloating, but there were plenty of players who were grateful that their record is now 1-1.
Interesting that DeAngelo Hall had about the most level-headed response, and Cooley about the most short-sighted. And Robert Henson will probably never be welcomed as a Redskin player again. Apparently he was hit by items thrown by fans and lashed out on Twitter:
Perhaps the most animated player was backup linebacker Robert Henson, who took to Twitter to repeatedly criticize the home crowd, saying he had never been booed at home like that before, and that his friends on the Rams were also surprised.

"All you fake half hearted Skins fan can .. I won't go there but I dislike you very strongly, don't come to Fed Ex to boo dim wits!!" he wrote, among many other jabs. "The question is who are you to say you know what's best for the team and you work 9 to 5 at Mcdonalds," he wrote later.
He's been doing some serious apologizing/spin control since.
 
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A very lifeless crowd for most of the game...

What's really frustrating is that the Skins never seem to make any big plays. Yes, the defense played well. Yes, the offense avoided mistakes. But there were no big plays. No long passes, no electrifying hits, a little pressure, a couple of dropped interceptions.

If you want a lively crowd, they need SOMETHING to cheer about.

 
Corner fade or naked boot leg down Zorn? Gawd! I am just downright dejected about the anemic offense. look a couple years ago they would throw to Cooley in the endzone from about the 25 or so. Try it you might like the results. I am already bracing for a loss to the Lions. Lord give me strength.

 
dgreen said:
Redzone playcalling is a disaster. Yes, there were two potential TDs dropped, so there's plenty of blame to go around. But, Zorn doesn't attack the endzone.
Not only is he afraid to attack the end zone, but on third downs he's afraid to attack the first down marker. Every ####### pass they throw is 1-3 yards short of the first down, requiring the receiver to make a move or 3 to get the first down. Whereas a completion past the first down marker would be a (get ready for this) first down.As a gameplan it's guaranteed failure.
 
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Jason Reid

With Thomas expected to be out for the season, Montgomery might now be the Redskins' starting right guard. Second-year guard Chad Rinehart, who was inactive Sunday, is another option.
 
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The Redskins put together drives of 83, 64, 74 and 76 yards only to come away with nine points.
O'Halloran
Q: What was the main issue once the Redskins got inside the 20? Execution? Playcalling?

A: Everything. Blocks weren't finished and passes were dropped, but Jim Zorn's red-zone playcalling should invite criticism.

Between the 20s, Zorn seems to have a lot of trust in Jason Campbell (even running a little no huddle), but once in scoring range it's like he wants to do everything but put the ball in his quarterback's hands.
 
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Just listened to the presser from Zorn, he said that players acted like they lost the game in the locker room, said they finally realized that they won. Hmm...telling, huh? Stop settling and stop demanding more and better from everyone, first starting with him and the coaching staff.

Oh brothers, strap yourselves in because this ride is going to get bumpy real quick.

 
Corner fade or naked boot leg down Zorn? Gawd! I am just downright dejected about the anemic offense. look a couple years ago they would throw to Cooley in the endzone from about the 25 or so. Try it you might like the results. I am already bracing for a loss to the Lions. Lord give me strength.
Know that you are not alone in rowing that boat! :hifive:
 
Statistically, Washington was the better team. The Redskins outgained the Rams, 362 yards, to 245. They made more first downs, 21-14, had 20 more offensive plays 70-50, and held the ball 9:46 longer.

Yet Washington struggled to get into the end zone, despite four trips to the red zone. The Redskins had first-and-goal on three of the four red zone series, but were unable to convert for touchdowns in every case.
John PappasThis is just disgusting.

 
I got some opinions that are definately in the minority here:

1. I thought Campbell looked pretty good. Not great, but certainly decent. The playcalling just took the ball out of his hands in the red zone. One series: run, run, wr option???? Haven't they covered the qb throwing into the endzone yet?

2. Everyone is praising the defense. There are serious pass issues with the pass defense. This weeks recevers, Laurant Robinson and Donnie Avery, were open a lot and running after the catch. What happens when the Redskins face an elite WR or TE? Also, the lowly Rams converted an incredible number of 3rd downs.

One item where I agree with others: It felt like a loss. And if the players felt that way too, they are losing confidence in Zorn. I know I have. It is starting to look like a repeat of the 2nd year of Spurrier, with a lot less good quote.

 
And Robert Henson will probably never be welcomed as a Redskin player again. Apparently he was hit by items thrown by fans and lashed out on Twitter:

Perhaps the most animated player was backup linebacker Robert Henson, who took to Twitter to repeatedly criticize the home crowd, saying he had never been booed at home like that before, and that his friends on the Rams were also surprised."All you fake half hearted Skins fan can .. I won't go there but I dislike you very strongly, don't come to Fed Ex to boo dim wits!!" he wrote, among many other jabs. "The question is who are you to say you know what's best for the team and you work 9 to 5 at Mcdonalds," he wrote later.
He's been doing some serious apologizing/spin control since.
This is the first I've heard about things being thrown. If that's the case, I'll give Henson some slack because that's completely uncalled for. But, he can't do what he did, especially the McDonald's comment. If he were to actually dress for a game, he's probably hear some real booing...that is, if half the crowd even knows who he is. Yesterday's booing was unique in that it came after a win. But, it was nowhere near the loudest booing I've heard at a Skins game. Just ask Heath Shuler.
 
I got some opinions that are definately in the minority here:1. I thought Campbell looked pretty good. Not great, but certainly decent. The playcalling just took the ball out of his hands in the red zone. One series: run, run, wr option???? Haven't they covered the qb throwing into the endzone yet?2. Everyone is praising the defense. There are serious pass issues with the pass defense. This weeks recevers, Laurant Robinson and Donnie Avery, were open a lot and running after the catch. What happens when the Redskins face an elite WR or TE? Also, the lowly Rams converted an incredible number of 3rd downs. One item where I agree with others: It felt like a loss. And if the players felt that way too, they are losing confidence in Zorn. I know I have. It is starting to look like a repeat of the 2nd year of Spurrier, with a lot less good quote.
I agree with you. I really can't put much blame on Campbell. He is what he is. He's an average QB. We've all known that. But, you know what? Average QBs can do some damage in this league when paired with a proper gameplan and playcalling. He doesn't have "it", but he doesn't need "it" to produce more points than this. I think he'll be unfairly blamed.As for the defense, they just need to get off the field and stop stupid penalties.
 
Like everyone else, I was dejected by yesterday's game. Quick thoughts, many of which are pretty much like everyone else's:

1. It's nice to see the Skins move the ball between the 20's. Campbell actually looked pretty good in that aspect of the game. He was accurate on his throws and even did some good running a few times.

2. Bizarre that they just refuse to let Campbell throw much in the Redzone. Sure there was a few drops (Sellers, Thomas) but you have to give Campbell more opportunity than that. If I'm Campbell, I'm starting to press every time I have to throw in the end zone because I feel I'll never get another chance at it. There can only be so many explanations for this bizarre playcalling:

a. Zorn has no faith in Campbell or

b. Zorn just has zero creativity when it comes to calling red zone offense.

Either way, Zorn either needs to open it up right now or make some change now. The status quo is not acceptable. Even if they win these "easy" games coming up, it is hard to imagine this team compiling more than 7 or 8 wins unless they find a way to score touchdowns more regularly.

It's also not acceptable to keep blaming our offensive woes on the fact that "we have no receivers." How is it that the Giants lost Burriss and yet their passing attack, with Manningham and Smith, look so potent? Teams that win are doing something with the players they have!

3. The defense is solid and that is something to build upon.

4. Everyone talks about QB, but I think we need to find an answer at RB as well, in the near future. Portis has been so solid for so many years so I don't want to trash him, but he is definitely slowing down. I know he's not old, but I think he's taken a lot of pounding and now he's essentially a power runner with no real break away threat. I think that's a liabilty as much as the WRs, honestly.

5. I am a life long Reskins fan going back to the days of Billy Kilmer, so I will never stop watching the team and rooting for them. I will also never stop hoping that the team will turn it around and make the playoffs. I have that hope even know, against all reason, because while I can objectively analyze the team, I am still a homer who will always hope that Zorn will get a knock on the head and turn it around.

With that said, after 2 games, it almost feels that we are in an "end game" scenario here. What will likely happen:

a. Zorn will get fired at the end of the season.

b. Campbell will not be resigned.

If those 2 things happen, what REALISTIC options do the Redskins have to reload. Everyone talks about Cowher and Shannahan but are those guys really going to come and work for Snyder? WOudl Snyder actually allow Cerrato to be jettisoned, so that the new coach could have more control? Cowher and Shannahan do not need Snyder's money...they can make a lot of dough any where and are now at a point in their careers where championships are more valuable than money, I believe.

And if the Redskins go 8-8, also likely because their defense is good enough to keep them in games, allowing them to win a few, they are not going to be drafting Sam Bradford. So where do they go on that front? Are their second tier college QBs to target? Are any FA QBs worth it at this point?

What are the options beyond this season, should they fall to 8-8.

I say this hoping that I am wrong and that they go on a run and win the Super Bowl. I KNOW this talk is a bit premature, but I am just asking hypothetically because I am interested.

M

 
I actually thought Campbell looked very good. About the only play I could point to him messing up was that very first throw to Kelly downfield - he underthrew it a bit and that gave the DB a chance to get back in the picture and while Kelly still could have caught it, it was a hard catch.

The throw in the end zone to Thomas was maybe a little harder than it needed to be - but Thomas still should have caught it, and Sellers definitely should have caught the one to him.

But Campbell made a lot of good throws under pressure - and did a good job of stepping up away from pressure and either throwing on the run or taking off and picking up the 1st down. He also did a good job of converting 3rd down plays - even when the team fall-started its way from 3rd and 4 to 3rd and 9.

I blame the playcalling of Zorn in the red zone and the drops. If Sellers and Thomas make those catches - everyone isn't so disgusted today. But still - they should have had more chances. It's very rare in today's NFL that teams can just run it in from the 1st and goal on the 8. You have to come out passing down there. And the Portis throw - that's not fooling anyone. I knew right away he was going to throw. Campbell played very well and Zorn just didn't call good plays in the Red Zone. Agreed with others - 1st down should totally be play action. 4th and 1 was another good time for play action.

As for the D - decent but not great. That roughing the passer penalty killed us - we would have had a turnover on the Rams 15 yard line and had a chance to start a rout right there.

Anyway - there's a lot to be unhappy about in yesterday's performance but I don't see how anyone can say that Campbell wasn't good.

 
2. Bizarre that they just refuse to let Campbell throw much in the Redzone. Sure there was a few drops (Sellers, Thomas) but you have to give Campbell more opportunity than that. If I'm Campbell, I'm starting to press every time I have to throw in the end zone because I feel I'll never get another chance at it. There can only be so many explanations for this bizarre playcalling:

a. Zorn has no faith in Campbell or

b. Zorn just has zero creativity when it comes to calling red zone offense.
From Barry Svrluga in today's Post:
The Redskins' last true attempt came when they could have salted the game away, when Zorn had already gone for it on fourth down to keep a drive alive late in the fourth quarter. With first and 10 from the 11, Zorn went to Ladell Betts twice, then to Portis. Fourth and one at the 2. Campbell lined up and saw the Rams loaded to the left side. The play was to Portis just that way. But deep in the red zone, Zorn doesn't want Campbell changing plays, lest a communication problem cause a costly turnover.

So they ran Portis, to the left side. The Rams crushed him, a two-yard loss.
Oof. Looks like the correct explanation is "a".
 
ok, I like Zorn and all. he just seems like a real geniune guy. very likable. but lately, I can't shake the feeling that he's in over his head. and I'm getting the same kind of vibes that I got from the ol' ball coach, Steve Spurrier. as you may recall, SS went from 7-9 (after a 3-1 start, I believe) to 5-11. are we facing regression in year 2? is this thing heading to 6-10 in 2009? I get on the phone to Shanahan right now to guage interest. if he has interest, I throw $$$ at him and can Zorn. continiuity be damned. hall of fame coaches just don't fall out of trees, now do they?written by a true visionary from page 1 of our off-season thread. I've been trying my hardest to minimize my negativity - or at least limit it to the FO - but I just about expected this.

 
apparently the radio interview between Zorn and Jurgensen after the game was not to be missed. I missed it, but my wife heard it in the car and clued me in on it:

basically, Sonny told Zorny that had he been the QB and Zorn sent in the option pass play for Portis, Sonny would have called a different play.

Zorny then told Sonny he'd have benched him!

Sonny protested 'but the play didn't work!'

I think then Zorny said a bunch of words that nobody but himself understood.

 
Sidewinder16 said:
2. Bizarre that they just refuse to let Campbell throw much in the Redzone. Sure there was a few drops (Sellers, Thomas) but you have to give Campbell more opportunity than that. If I'm Campbell, I'm starting to press every time I have to throw in the end zone because I feel I'll never get another chance at it. There can only be so many explanations for this bizarre playcalling:

a. Zorn has no faith in Campbell or

b. Zorn just has zero creativity when it comes to calling red zone offense.
From Barry Svrluga in today's Post:
The Redskins' last true attempt came when they could have salted the game away, when Zorn had already gone for it on fourth down to keep a drive alive late in the fourth quarter. With first and 10 from the 11, Zorn went to Ladell Betts twice, then to Portis. Fourth and one at the 2. Campbell lined up and saw the Rams loaded to the left side. The play was to Portis just that way. But deep in the red zone, Zorn doesn't want Campbell changing plays, lest a communication problem cause a costly turnover.

So they ran Portis, to the left side. The Rams crushed him, a two-yard loss.
Oof. Looks like the correct explanation is "a".
Wow, that's lame. There should be no communication problems at home. At least give him the freedom to change the direction of the run.
 
apparently the radio interview between Zorn and Jurgensen after the game was not to be missed. I missed it, but my wife heard it in the car and clued me in on it:

basically, Sonny told Zorny that had he been the QB and Zorn sent in the option pass play for Portis, Sonny would have called a different play.

Zorny then told Sonny he'd have benched him!

Sonny protested 'but the play didn't work!'

I think then Zorny said a bunch of words that nobody but himself understood.
Did you hear Zorn's answer for that play in the official postgame presser? It sounded like his explanation was basically, "It was the next play on my sheet, so that's what I called." I really hope he has a legit reason for calling it in his mind because his explanation was horrible.
 
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ok, I like Zorn and all. he just seems like a real geniune guy. very likable. but lately, I can't shake the feeling that he's in over his head. and I'm getting the same kind of vibes that I got from the ol' ball coach, Steve Spurrier. as you may recall, SS went from 7-9 (after a 3-1 start, I believe) to 5-11. are we facing regression in year 2? is this thing heading to 6-10 in 2009? I get on the phone to Shanahan right now to guage interest. if he has interest, I throw $$$ at him and can Zorn. continiuity be damned. hall of fame coaches just don't fall out of trees, now do they?
written by a true visionary from page 1 of our off-season thread. I've been trying my hardest to minimize my negativity - or at least limit it to the FO - but I just about expected this.
I'm about ready for Skeletor or Cowher to fall out of that tree anytime now... :bye:
 
apparently the radio interview between Zorn and Jurgensen after the game was not to be missed. I missed it, but my wife heard it in the car and clued me in on it:

basically, Sonny told Zorny that had he been the QB and Zorn sent in the option pass play for Portis, Sonny would have called a different play.

Zorny then told Sonny he'd have benched him!

Sonny protested 'but the play didn't work!'

I think then Zorny said a bunch of words that nobody but himself understood.
Did you hear Zorn's answer for that play in the official postgame presser? It sounded like his explanation was basically, "It was the next play on my sheet, so that's what I called." I really hope he has a legit reason for calling it in his mind because his explanation was horrible.
LOL, he said he had several plays scripted out for that area of the field. As the game goes along, he takes plays out, so they are no longer an option. He said he took 2 of those plays OUT and that was one that was left.Can someone tell him that he is the Head Coach and he can insert any play he wants at anytime? Improvise, adapt and overcome!!!!

 
apparently the radio interview between Zorn and Jurgensen after the game was not to be missed. I missed it, but my wife heard it in the car and clued me in on it:

basically, Sonny told Zorny that had he been the QB and Zorn sent in the option pass play for Portis, Sonny would have called a different play.

Zorny then told Sonny he'd have benched him!

Sonny protested 'but the play didn't work!'

I think then Zorny said a bunch of words that nobody but himself understood.
Did you hear Zorn's answer for that play in the official postgame presser? It sounded like his explanation was basically, "It was the next play on my sheet, so that's what I called." I really hope he has a legit reason for calling it in his mind because his explanation was horrible.
LOL, he said he had several plays scripted out for that area of the field. As the game goes along, he takes plays out, so they are no longer an option. He said he took 2 of those plays OUT and that was one that was left.Can someone tell him that he is the Head Coach and he can insert any play he wants at anytime? Improvise, adapt and overcome!!!!
How about this play:Marko to the left, Kelly to the right. Two fade patterns. Tell Campbell to pick one presnap and throw on a one-step drop. It really doesn't matter what the other 8 players do.

 
Czabe

If Jim Zorn were merely our offensive coordinator, he'd be fired by now.

Considering the fact that two OC's got canned this summer in the NFL based on PRE-season ineptitude, this would hardly be controversial. Firing head coaches after just two weeks, tends to be more dicey.

I say let's pretend he never got promoted to head coach, and just do what needs to be done.

The only problem with that approach, is that it does nothing to guarantee that a better new head coach will be selected. The virtue of firing him now, is to avoid the long awkward remainder of his tenure here with the 'Skins.

Like a bad date, better to call it off during dessert, and before the movie.

When you find yourself 3 times (technically 5 times, but I'm omitting the ill-fated failed 4th and 1 and the resulting kneel downs at the end of the game) inside the 10 with first and goal, and you get just 3 FG's against perhaps the NFL's weakest defensive team, it's a complete embarrassment.

When you refuse to even ATTEMPT to throw the ball INTO the end zone in order to score, it's maddening.

When you run a HB-option pass on the 5 yard line, just how exactly do you expect to get the defense “out of position?”

Forget the fact that special teams coach Danny Smith had to crawl up Zorn's arm to prevent him from calling a timeout too early while precious seconds were bleeding down against the Rams.

Forget the abysmal play call of a slow developing SWEEP to Portis on the SHORT side of the field when all you need is ½ a yard with a battering ram like Mike Sellers.

Nah. Forget all that.

Get rid of Zorn as head coach for the same reason he was hired.

Do it on a whim.

Do it because it makes sense at the time. Call Gibbs again. Ask him if he should be fired. Hell, call Jim Fassel. He was the guy who allegedly approved of Zorn's hire as OC before Snyder turned heel on Fassel for the second time.

No great thoughts were put INTO making him head coach. Don't put much thought into firing him. Chances are, he's not the next Lombardi.

I'm not saying I especially want him fired. I'm just saying you probably should. Does that make sense?

Remember....

a. He was hired as OC despite never having run an offense.

b. The Seahawks, despite his years of service, told Zorn that he was going out with Holmgren, and that his contract was not going to be renewed.

c. No other teams interviewed Zorn for either an OC job, or the head coaching job.

d. When Zorn was offered a chance to interview for the head job, he made a point of saying that he went home, changed into a suit first. This is a telling anecdote about the culture of the Skins under Snyder. Dress up, suck up, move up.

I actually had to go back and look up the stated rationale for hiring Zorn after this debaculous win. Here's the quotes...

"We're proud that our search was diligent, thorough, and resulted in today's announcement," owner Dan Snyder said. "Jim's track record and reputation as a player, great teacher, and as a coach makes us confident that they will translate to success for the Redskins."

"We knew of Jim's stellar offensive reputation, so we hired him as coordinator, but we also suspected he would be a strong candidate for head coach," Snyder said. "After our first six-hour interview with him, I told Joe [Gibbs], 'This guy would make a terrific head coach.' But we stayed true to our commitment to interview every candidate."

The Redskins had to wait until the Super Bowl was played to interview their final candidate, Giants defensive coordinator Spagnuolo. After Spagnuolo announced Thursday that he'd rather stay with the Giants -- who gave him a new three-year, $6 million contract -- Snyder said he invited Zorn to lunch.

"I told him we were considering him as the next head coach, and asked if he wanted to move forward. Without hesitation he said 'absolutely,' and that's all I needed to hear," Snyder said. "We spent two days taking Jim through the same interview process as every other candidate. Those sessions only confirmed my earlier comment to Joe: Jim Zorn will be a terrific head coach."

With the Redskins, Zorn, who was eager for the chance to direct his own offense, is expected to run an aggressive passer-friendly version of the West Coast offense, said a league executive familiar with Zorn's philosophy.

Uh... huh.

If that's “all I needed to hear” according to Snyder, then this should be all he needs to see.

We're now 1-1, with just 1 TD so far from somebody who is not our punter, with a frisky Lions team next week, itching to end their 19 game losing streak. Fun times...

 
Interesting article by Czabe, but I will point out that he's the one who was saying on the radio last week that he just wanted a win against St. Louis and it didn't matter how it happened.

 
apparently the radio interview between Zorn and Jurgensen after the game was not to be missed. I missed it, but my wife heard it in the car and clued me in on it:basically, Sonny told Zorny that had he been the QB and Zorn sent in the option pass play for Portis, Sonny would have called a different play. Zorny then told Sonny he'd have benched him!Sonny protested 'but the play didn't work!'I think then Zorny said a bunch of words that nobody but himself understood.
I heard the interview on the way home. Sonny said he would have called a timeout or an audible and changed the play because he's being paid to throw it, not let the halfback throw it. Zorn said he would have had to bench him in that situation. After saying that, he elaborated a little with something like "I would ask you why you called timeout there, and if you insisted you wouldn't run the play..." When Sonny interrupted with, "but the play didn't work," Zorn said basically you don't know exactly what plays will work and won't work. Lots of plays end up not working but still had a good chance of working. The play was called because it was thought to be a play that had a good chance to work. It's the coaches job to call the plays in their system.
 

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