***Official*** 2009 Washington Redskins Thread (2 Viewers)

[DCThunder]

What are the chances Zorn gets axed during the season?

I think he need to be fired...if for nothing else, the quote about it being "little details" that need fixing.My problem is, who the heck do you get to take over? If you go interim, then you are presumably going with someone already on the staff. Blache? He need to go even faster than Zorn. Sheman Smith? Danny Smith? Maybe we're better off with HUNTER Smith.I don't think any of the current staff is any improvement over Zorn.Going with someone outside the team - since Danny went the "new and exciting assistant coach" route with Zorn, presumably he'll go for "big name who can come in and save the team" this time around. But will any big name coach come in for a train wreck of a team and work for Danny and Vinny? Don't think so.Will Danny fire Vinny to get a coach? Doubt it. I'm imagining the two of them have convinced themselves the fault is with Zorn - I mean, look at all the great players they've assembled!Would Fassel take the job? He seems to be in need, and supposedly wouldn't have minded working for Vinny/Danny a couple of years ago.Would the Danny hire Fassel, basically admitting he made a mistake with Zorn two years ago?I'm beginning to think that Zorn may be left to twist in the wind for a while, due to their being very little in the way of replacement options.

I think Zorn lasts the rest of the season precisely since nothing will change if you fire him and make Smith, Blache, or Bugel interim HC. No name coach will come in the middle of the season. Maybe Pepper Rodgers is still available.Snyder has left Fassel at the alter twice (Fassel as a leading candidate when they re-hired Gibbs). After losing out to Zorn, Fassel may not want the job. I suspect all the big name coaches will decline to work with the Snyder/Cerrato front office and the Redskins will end out with another shot in the dark HC who will agree to any idiotic idea Danny and Vinny have.

We could always have Gibbs 3.0...

 

[Marvelous]

Who got faked out of their jockstrap by Stafford on that 3rd down run that set up the first TD?

Andre Carter.And don't give me this crap that Portis isn't above average. He's still good. I don't watch him and see him as a problem. Yes, I think he has some attitude issues, but I think he's still a top talent. He needs the freakin' ball. Just because he isn't what he once was, does not make him average.And did someone say Haynesworth has been average? That's ridiculous.

I think you have a difficult case to make that he is above average. 1 sack in 3 games. The opponents are converting on 3rd downs at an incredible rate. Opponents run on the Redskins. Opponennts pass on the Redskins. Through 3 games, the Redskins' D has 4 sacks, 1 interception, and 2 fumble recoveries.Hayneworth certainly has not transformed the defense nor the pass rush. And he hasn't elevated the play of the people around him. What is so above average about his play this year? It is hard to shine on a team that is playing this poorly.

 

[dgreen]

Who got faked out of their jockstrap by Stafford on that 3rd down run that set up the first TD?

Andre Carter.And don't give me this crap that Portis isn't above average. He's still good. I don't watch him and see him as a problem. Yes, I think he has some attitude issues, but I think he's still a top talent. He needs the freakin' ball. Just because he isn't what he once was, does not make him average.And did someone say Haynesworth has been average? That's ridiculous.

I think you have a difficult case to make that he is above average. 1 sack in 3 games. The opponents are converting on 3rd downs at an incredible rate. Opponents run on the Redskins. Opponennts pass on the Redskins. Through 3 games, the Redskins' D has 4 sacks, 1 interception, and 2 fumble recoveries.Hayneworth certainly has not transformed the defense nor the pass rush. And he hasn't elevated the play of the people around him. What is so above average about his play this year? It is hard to shine on a team that is playing this poorly.

I don't think Haynesworth's individual analysis should be largely based on what others do. I consistently see him pushing his opponent around. Yesterday was probably his worst game and still caused problems on several plays. He's going to have subpar games. But, that doesn't make him average.

 

[dgreen]

Despite the debacle in Detroit, the Redskins appear to be preparing for as normal a Monday as possible.

I think that's good news. They need to NOT focus on the fans and the media and just prepare for another game.

Coach Jim Zorn was parked in his regular spot at 7 a.m., and the rest of the coaching staff and players trickled in between 8 and 9 a.m.

I really hope that's when they arrive to work AFTER staying up late at night working.

 

[Marvelous]

Who got faked out of their jockstrap by Stafford on that 3rd down run that set up the first TD?

Andre Carter.And don't give me this crap that Portis isn't above average. He's still good. I don't watch him and see him as a problem. Yes, I think he has some attitude issues, but I think he's still a top talent. He needs the freakin' ball. Just because he isn't what he once was, does not make him average.And did someone say Haynesworth has been average? That's ridiculous.

I think you have a difficult case to make that he is above average. 1 sack in 3 games. The opponents are converting on 3rd downs at an incredible rate. Opponents run on the Redskins. Opponennts pass on the Redskins. Through 3 games, the Redskins' D has 4 sacks, 1 interception, and 2 fumble recoveries.Hayneworth certainly has not transformed the defense nor the pass rush. And he hasn't elevated the play of the people around him. What is so above average about his play this year? It is hard to shine on a team that is playing this poorly.

I don't think Haynesworth's individual analysis should be largely based on what others do. I consistently see him pushing his opponent around. Yesterday was probably his worst game and still caused problems on several plays. He's going to have subpar games. But, that doesn't make him average.

I thought I read how Haynesworth would require double and triple teams, freeing up Carter for more sacks and qb pressure. And that would create more ints. So the fact that Haynesworth only has 1 sack could still be justified if he was getting double and triple teams so others could pressure the qb. But that is not happening.

 

[Jason Wood]

All the Jim Zorn bashing aside, I fail to see how firing him 3 weeks into the season makes any sense. This franchise has been bereft of stability and letting someone go three weeks into their 2nd year just compounds the problem IMHO.

 

[dgreen]

Who got faked out of their jockstrap by Stafford on that 3rd down run that set up the first TD?

Andre Carter.And don't give me this crap that Portis isn't above average. He's still good. I don't watch him and see him as a problem. Yes, I think he has some attitude issues, but I think he's still a top talent. He needs the freakin' ball. Just because he isn't what he once was, does not make him average.And did someone say Haynesworth has been average? That's ridiculous.

I think you have a difficult case to make that he is above average. 1 sack in 3 games. The opponents are converting on 3rd downs at an incredible rate. Opponents run on the Redskins. Opponennts pass on the Redskins. Through 3 games, the Redskins' D has 4 sacks, 1 interception, and 2 fumble recoveries.Hayneworth certainly has not transformed the defense nor the pass rush. And he hasn't elevated the play of the people around him. What is so above average about his play this year? It is hard to shine on a team that is playing this poorly.

I don't think Haynesworth's individual analysis should be largely based on what others do. I consistently see him pushing his opponent around. Yesterday was probably his worst game and still caused problems on several plays. He's going to have subpar games. But, that doesn't make him average.

I thought I read how Haynesworth would require double and triple teams, freeing up Carter for more sacks and qb pressure. And that would create more ints. So the fact that Haynesworth only has 1 sack could still be justified if he was getting double and triple teams so others could pressure the qb. But that is not happening.

I certainly haven't tracked every play and compared the % of double teams Haynesworth receives to other DL, but my gut reaction is that he gets doubled a ton.

 

[Maroney=Sped]

Who got faked out of their jockstrap by Stafford on that 3rd down run that set up the first TD?

And what did anyone think of the decision to take the offensive PI to give them another 3rd down play that lead to that Stafford run? While not the ball game, it was a key play.

Idiotic and inexcusable, and doubly so for a defense that's already having problems getting off the the field on 3rd downs. Zorn got cute and decided to try to take not only 7 but also 3 points off the board for the Lions with that stop. As the old saying goes, pigs get fat and hogs get slaughtered.

 

[sinatravolta]

Also I hate to say it given it's still not very good - but the pass rush is actually better than last year. Late in the game last year - QBs could pretty much stand back there and plant some flowers before they looked to throw the ball if they wanted to. This year it's like they have time and then the rush starts to get to them - but not so badly that they can't avoid it. But they are at least having to avoid it/make an adjustment and that was totally unnecessary last year.

All along I figured the D-line might take some time to get really going on the rush - Haynesworth and Orakpo are new to the team and Orakpo is a rookie. But I did think it would be a little better than it has been.

Yesterday I was more surprised by the inability to stop the run. The 1st 2 games other than that one Jackson long run - the run D has looked very good. I think Kevin Smith is good - but he shouldn't have had that much room to run on a consistent basis yesterday.

 

[Bizkiteer]

Who got faked out of their jockstrap by Stafford on that 3rd down run that set up the first TD?

Andre Carter.And don't give me this crap that Portis isn't above average. He's still good. I don't watch him and see him as a problem. Yes, I think he has some attitude issues, but I think he's still a top talent. He needs the freakin' ball. Just because he isn't what he once was, does not make him average.And did someone say Haynesworth has been average? That's ridiculous.

I think you have a difficult case to make that he is above average. 1 sack in 3 games. The opponents are converting on 3rd downs at an incredible rate. Opponents run on the Redskins. Opponennts pass on the Redskins. Through 3 games, the Redskins' D has 4 sacks, 1 interception, and 2 fumble recoveries.Hayneworth certainly has not transformed the defense nor the pass rush. And he hasn't elevated the play of the people around him. What is so above average about his play this year? It is hard to shine on a team that is playing this poorly.

I don't think Haynesworth's individual analysis should be largely based on what others do. I consistently see him pushing his opponent around. Yesterday was probably his worst game and still caused problems on several plays. He's going to have subpar games. But, that doesn't make him average.

Fat Al is far better than anything else on our DL. I too see him pushing OL back all the time, but since there is little to no threat anywhere else on the DL...teams can move away easier from his presence. To say he's average or less than avg is just the anger of a fan because of the frustration of the overall Defense.Everyone keeps forgetting that Blache is the idiot that keeps not using players to their best abilities. This has been going on here for a loooooooooong time with several players. So, Fat Al can only be as a good as the system he is in to a degree. I'm glad he is with the team, just have a feeling that it might be a waste of our and his time because of Blache and his incompetence.I have noticed that Carter's motor is a breath of fresh air though, as I see him trying to run down players 7 yards down field. He's seems to not give up on a play and considering some of the players performance on the field...it's needed.Jarmon needs to play more and get experience, I think there is good hope for him, especially considering how short of time he's been with the team.Orakpo at LB is an okay experiment, but he really is a DE. Yeah, he's not the biggest guy...he's our D. Freeney and not a D. Ware. Once the coahes get that, of course Blache won't because he's not intellegent enough to get it, then we and RAK will be better off.

 

[fatness]

All the Jim Zorn bashing aside, I fail to see how firing him 3 weeks into the season makes any sense. This franchise has been bereft of stability and letting someone go three weeks into their 2nd year just compounds the problem IMHO.

That's a good point. On the other hand Zorn pretty clearly isn't going to change what he's doing, and what he's doing doesn't work. I don't know if anyone on staff currently could do any better, and disruption can easily turn into a general atmosphere of defeat. The solution is for Zorn to do some things differently, and to demand that Blache do some things differently. I just don't see either of those happening. This has become the team everyone slobbers at on their schedule. "Keep the Redskins out of the end zone on their first possession and wait for them to lose it" is working.

 

[Bizkiteer]

Who got faked out of their jockstrap by Stafford on that 3rd down run that set up the first TD?

And what did anyone think of the decision to take the offensive PI to give them another 3rd down play that lead to that Stafford run? While not the ball game, it was a key play.

Idiotic and inexcusable, and doubly so for a defense that's already having problems getting off the the field on 3rd downs. Zorn got cute and decided to try to take not only 7 but also 3 points off the board for the Lions with that stop. As the old saying goes, pigs get fat and hogs get slaughtered.

I disagree and find it more in hindsight than anything else. Billick was commenting that he would have done the same and I think that is a coach's view that should not be overlooked. I think 99% of the coaches would have done the same, but of course it is questioned now because Stafford ran and got the first down. Blame Blache for not doing his job and calling a D to stop that play or all the other 3rd downs. Zorn did right, Blache is the idiot that can't seem to find hand from his ###.

 

[Bizkiteer]

All the Jim Zorn bashing aside, I fail to see how firing him 3 weeks into the season makes any sense. This franchise has been bereft of stability and letting someone go three weeks into their 2nd year just compounds the problem IMHO.

Jason under normal circumstances, you are right...nobody benefits from it. If the players are tuning out the coach, then what is the difference. It's already reported that the attitude on the sidelines was really bad and that the locker room was even worse. I think a lot of frustratiuon has been building up with the last year or two and it's coming to a head. Thus, it might be better to even have the waterboy coach the team. OK, not the waterboy, but someone else.The real problem is that Blache is even more of an idiot than Zorn. So, who takes over???? Even if it's just for the rest of this season.If we check Dan's phone records, I bet we find calls to Shannahan, Cowher, and/or Holmgren.

 

[Dexter Manley]

That was the most disgusting and embarrassing game I've witnessed during my lifetime as a Redskins fan.

I didn't even know there was a single Lions fan in this city, and there were 4 of them surrounding me at the bar cheering, as I was watching the game. At the conclusion of the debacle, the one Detroit fan sitting next to me actually apologized to me for the Lions beating the Redskins. That's right. A Lions fan apologizing to the fan of another team for them winning the football game. Talk about embarassing.

The 1st half was the worst half of football I can recall seeing us ever play. Everyone in the stadium and on the planet knew we were going to run left on the 4th and goal play. And what the hell was Haynesworth doing on the sideline for the entire drive thereafter when Detroit marched 99 yards downfield?

Saying that, there was never a doubt in my mind that we were going to win the game in the 2nd half. I mean we were playing the Lions! As bad as the first half went, the score was only 13 - 0.

Then again I didn't expect the refs to make 2 of the worst calls I can recall seeing going against one team in the 4th quarter. Seriously, why didn't they just call the game after the 3rd quarter if the refs are going to wave off facemask penalties that 2 of them see, and make a bogus PI call to help the Lions ensure victory? And I feel dirty even having to bring that up, because this is the *&^$%#@ Lions we were playing. We should of never been in the position to have a couple horrible 4th quarter calls influence the outcome of the game.

And Zorn should of been fired on the spot for not throwing the ball in the endzone on the last play, when they were inside 40 yards. Even Childress in Minnesota is smart enough to understand that.

It's ####### week 3, and it already feels like the season is over. Just horrible. I will still be cheering the team on every week, but they better start bringing their ####### A game. Or at least their B game. I mean this is what these guys are paid to do for a living. Start having some professional pride.

 

[buster c]

Who got faked out of their jockstrap by Stafford on that 3rd down run that set up the first TD?

Andre Carter.And don't give me this crap that Portis isn't above average. He's still good. I don't watch him and see him as a problem. Yes, I think he has some attitude issues, but I think he's still a top talent. He needs the freakin' ball. Just because he isn't what he once was, does not make him average.And did someone say Haynesworth has been average? That's ridiculous.

hate to break the news to you, but CP is done. I love his warrior mentality, but he's been used up.disagree? do this. 1) get a DVR set top box like the $ one I have with my $ Verizon FIOS2) when they show the 4th down run of his to the left, hit the pause button, then go frame-by-frame.3) you'll see the DAMNING evidenceHe should have scored two ways1 - a nice cut-back to the right side of the beautiful seal block 47 Cooley applied and he walks in2 - follow 45 Sellers (instead of running up on him) and take it wide to the flag. Again, a walk in.

 

[buster c]

PFT

And so the calls for Zorn's head will intensify in D.C., and an interim coach will be installed by the launch of the bye week on October 25, if not sooner.

Then, next year, it'll be Mike Shanahan or Mike Holmgren calling the shots in D.C.

Though some might think that Bill Cowher also will be in the mix, two issues likely make it unlikely that he'd get the job. First, Cowher would want full control over the football operations, and owner Danier Snyder would be reluctant to agree, especially if it means minimizing (or firing) V.P. of football operations Vinny Cerrato. Also, Cowher's mentor (Marty Schottenheimer) might have a thing or two to share with Cowher regarding Schottenheimer's one-year experience with the team in 2001. Schottenheimer secured full control, fired Cerrato, went 8-8, and then was fired.

In the end, look for a high-stakes auction to break out between the Cowboys and the Redskins for Shanahan, with the loser getting Holmgren.

sounding like a broken record, but this is semi-therapeutic for me, so thanks for bearing with me:As long as ask-clown Snyder owns this team, any winning that gets done will be a freaking fluke. Snyder is a complete and total LOSER to a degree rarely seen in professional sports history. He is the Peter Angelos of football.

 

[buster c]

I was listening to the Monday Morning QB show on ESPN980 with Kevin Sheehan (but no Andy Polly...Yom Kippur) and Czabe did a drive by from his FSR show.

Huh? I turned on 980 at 8am and Joey T was on. I'm convinced Nittany Lion is right and Snyder is going to hire Joey Sunshine as his concession to those who clamor for a Football Man to run the show. As if he'd be anything other than a puppet.

 

[fatness]

Jim Schwartz deserves credit for playing to win all game. He did not shy from putting Matthew Stafford in positions to make plays and Stafford responded. The Lions were never fooled by the Redskins' defense. Why is that?Matthew Stafford threw a 21-yard touchdown pass to Bryant Johnson in the first quarter and the two connected to draw a key penalty to set up a TD in the fourth quarter. — John Keim

 

[dgreen]

All I can think is: #### #### #### ####

 

[fatness]

A reporter attempted to approach Redskins owner Dan Snyder after the game, but security wouldn't allow an interview. ... Actor Tom Cruise chatted with Zorn about an hour before kickoff and signed autographs.

 

[dgreen]

Another rookie QB faces the Redskins. And yet I have ZERO confidence.

 

[dgreen]

Hunter Smith is awesome.

 

[fatness]

The big question isn’t whether Washington Redskins owner Dan Snyder fires coach Jim Zorn. The quandary is when does Zorn leave? If Snyder doesn’t fire Zorn after a disgusting 19-14 loss at Detroit on Sunday, the owner is certainly assembling a replacement list. Russ Grimm should be atop it.

I earlier defended Zorn because it was too soon to judge. Because he’s a nice guy. Because the Redskins problems are more than just the coach. This isn’t all on Zorn, but it’s apparent Zorn lacks solutions. The offensive playcalling doesn’t work and Zorn’s leadership obviously isn’t there when the team plays its worst first half of football in years. Watch — the wheels will now come off this team faster than cash ran out for clunkers.

Seriously, the Redskins stunk against the Lions, who hadn’t won since Dec. 23, 2007. After 19 straight losses, Detroit absolutely manhandled Washington, which only scored one legitimate touchdown before the prevent defense allowed another. This is no longer acceptable.

Nothing will save this season. Whether Zorn stays or someone else takes control, still expect a 4-12 year. Snyder should use the next few months to ready for a well-planned offseason makeover instead of buying more Band-Aids.

Grimm is the perfect replacement for Zorn. The former Hog buys Snyder a piece of Camelot for two years as fans support the popular guard with three Super Bowl rings. Grimm is certainly qualified after leading Arizona to the Super Bowl last season as an assistant head coach. That Grimm may be voted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame in February provides perfect timing.

Defensive coordinator Greg Blache should be replaced, too. He lost credibility in a postgame interview when saying it was others who set the bar high while he respected the Lions. Really, that’s how you want to play this — that fans shouldn’t have expected the Redskins to win? That rings so poorly.

Snyder needs a real general manager. Everybody thinks Vinny Cerrato is tied to Snyder for life. I’ve always felt Snyder fires Cerrato when needing to satisfy the public. Well, it’s time because FedEx Field will be half empty on Sunday against Tampa Bay. Fans are ready to abandon the team. Cerrato has done a miserable job assembling talent and should be canned. His dismissal would bridge the gap with fans.

Meanwhile, get ready for Snyder’s sixth rebuilding plan in 11 years.

Rick Snider, Washington Examiner

 

[fatness]

Another rookie QB faces the Redskins. And yet I have ZERO confidence.

Technically Josh Johnson isn't a rookie. Freeman is the rookie.

 

[dgreen]

Grimm is the perfect replacement for Zorn. The former Hog buys Snyder a piece of Camelot for two years as fans support the popular guard with three Super Bowl rings. Grimm is certainly qualified after leading Arizona to the Super Bowl last season as an assistant head coach. That Grimm may be voted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame in February provides perfect timing.

This is a interesting point. After Shanahan, Holmgren, Cowher, and Gruden turn Snyder down, he'll need something to satisfy the fanbase. Grimm might be the only thing to do that. After Spurrier, I knew some people who said, "Snyder can't do anything to win me back." After he hired Gibbs, they said, "Well, ok, there is one thing Sndyer can do." Obviously Grimm wouldn't be nearly as popular, but it may be all there is.

 

[dgreen]

Another rookie QB faces the Redskins. And yet I have ZERO confidence.

Technically Josh Johnson isn't a rookie. Freeman is the rookie.

I can never keep them straight. I had one of them on one of my fantasy rosters, but cut him before the season. I guess it was Johnson since I had him last year.Whoever it is: 19-31-272-1-0

 

[dgreen]

Is there a spread yet for next week? The Bucs are -50 so far this season and I can't imagine the Skins being favored by more than 3.

 

[Maroney=Sped]

Jim Schwartz deserves credit for playing to win all game. He did not shy from putting Matthew Stafford in positions to make plays and Stafford responded. The Lions were never fooled by the Redskins' defense. Why is that?Matthew Stafford threw a 21-yard touchdown pass to Bryant Johnson in the first quarter and the two connected to draw a key penalty to set up a TD in the fourth quarter. — John Keim

I just see no common sense in the way that the guys are being used or in the way that offensive play calls are made.

 

[Maroney=Sped]

Grimm is the perfect replacement for Zorn. The former Hog buys Snyder a piece of Camelot for two years as fans support the popular guard with three Super Bowl rings. Grimm is certainly qualified after leading Arizona to the Super Bowl last season as an assistant head coach. That Grimm may be voted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame in February provides perfect timing.

This is a interesting point. After Shanahan, Holmgren, Cowher, and Gruden turn Snyder down, he'll need something to satisfy the fanbase. Grimm might be the only thing to do that. After Spurrier, I knew some people who said, "Snyder can't do anything to win me back." After he hired Gibbs, they said, "Well, ok, there is one thing Sndyer can do." Obviously Grimm wouldn't be nearly as popular, but it may be all there is.

And Grimm might even improve the o-line play. I know, crazy, but . . .

 

[dgreen]

Grimm is the perfect replacement for Zorn. The former Hog buys Snyder a piece of Camelot for two years as fans support the popular guard with three Super Bowl rings. Grimm is certainly qualified after leading Arizona to the Super Bowl last season as an assistant head coach. That Grimm may be voted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame in February provides perfect timing.

This is a interesting point. After Shanahan, Holmgren, Cowher, and Gruden turn Snyder down, he'll need something to satisfy the fanbase. Grimm might be the only thing to do that. After Spurrier, I knew some people who said, "Snyder can't do anything to win me back." After he hired Gibbs, they said, "Well, ok, there is one thing Sndyer can do." Obviously Grimm wouldn't be nearly as popular, but it may be all there is.

And Grimm might even improve the o-line play. I know, crazy, but . . .

Is he going to play? Might bring the average age of the unit down.

 

[Sebowski]

Who got faked out of their jockstrap by Stafford on that 3rd down run that set up the first TD?

And what did anyone think of the decision to take the offensive PI to give them another 3rd down play that lead to that Stafford run? While not the ball game, it was a key play.

Idiotic and inexcusable, and doubly so for a defense that's already having problems getting off the the field on 3rd downs. Zorn got cute and decided to try to take not only 7 but also 3 points off the board for the Lions with that stop. As the old saying goes, pigs get fat and hogs get slaughtered.

You're wrong there is one excuse. Zorn was playing against Hanson in his fantasy league.

Who got faked out of their jockstrap by Stafford on that 3rd down run that set up the first TD?

And what did anyone think of the decision to take the offensive PI to give them another 3rd down play that lead to that Stafford run? While not the ball game, it was a key play.

Idiotic and inexcusable, and doubly so for a defense that's already having problems getting off the the field on 3rd downs. Zorn got cute and decided to try to take not only 7 but also 3 points off the board for the Lions with that stop. As the old saying goes, pigs get fat and hogs get slaughtered.

I disagree and find it more in hindsight than anything else. Billick was commenting that he would have done the same and I think that is a coach's view that should not be overlooked. I think 99% of the coaches would have done the same, but of course it is questioned now because Stafford ran and got the first down. Blame Blache for not doing his job and calling a D to stop that play or all the other 3rd downs. Zorn did right, Blache is the idiot that can't seem to find hand from his ###.

Billick is in the booth and not on the sidelines for a reason. Ok, for lots of reasons. The fact that he agreed with Zorn is more proof that Zorn was wrong. You always make a kicker kick a 50 yarder in that situation. The chance he misses weighted with the field position recieved after a miss from there make it a no-brainer.

 

[Sebowski]

The big question isn’t whether Washington Redskins owner Dan Snyder fires coach Jim Zorn. The quandary is when does Zorn leave? If Snyder doesn’t fire Zorn after a disgusting 19-14 loss at Detroit on Sunday, the owner is certainly assembling a replacement list. Russ Grimm should be atop it.

I earlier defended Zorn because it was too soon to judge. Because he’s a nice guy. Because the Redskins problems are more than just the coach. This isn’t all on Zorn, but it’s apparent Zorn lacks solutions. The offensive playcalling doesn’t work and Zorn’s leadership obviously isn’t there when the team plays its worst first half of football in years. Watch — the wheels will now come off this team faster than cash ran out for clunkers.

Seriously, the Redskins stunk against the Lions, who hadn’t won since Dec. 23, 2007. After 19 straight losses, Detroit absolutely manhandled Washington, which only scored one legitimate touchdown before the prevent defense allowed another. This is no longer acceptable.

Nothing will save this season. Whether Zorn stays or someone else takes control, still expect a 4-12 year. Snyder should use the next few months to ready for a well-planned offseason makeover instead of buying more Band-Aids.

Grimm is the perfect replacement for Zorn. The former Hog buys Snyder a piece of Camelot for two years as fans support the popular guard with three Super Bowl rings. Grimm is certainly qualified after leading Arizona to the Super Bowl last season as an assistant head coach. That Grimm may be voted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame in February provides perfect timing.

Defensive coordinator Greg Blache should be replaced, too. He lost credibility in a postgame interview when saying it was others who set the bar high while he respected the Lions. Really, that’s how you want to play this — that fans shouldn’t have expected the Redskins to win? That rings so poorly.

Snyder needs a real general manager. Everybody thinks Vinny Cerrato is tied to Snyder for life. I’ve always felt Snyder fires Cerrato when needing to satisfy the public. Well, it’s time because FedEx Field will be half empty on Sunday against Tampa Bay. Fans are ready to abandon the team. Cerrato has done a miserable job assembling talent and should be canned. His dismissal would bridge the gap with fans.

Meanwhile, get ready for Snyder’s sixth rebuilding plan in 11 years.

Rick Snider, Washington Examiner

I'd be down with this. Hire Grimm. If there is no cap, cut/trade almost everyone and start building through the lines.

 

[Snotbubbles]

All the Jim Zorn bashing aside, I fail to see how firing him 3 weeks into the season makes any sense. This franchise has been bereft of stability and letting someone go three weeks into their 2nd year just compounds the problem IMHO.

Jason under normal circumstances, you are right...nobody benefits from it. If the players are tuning out the coach, then what is the difference. It's already reported that the attitude on the sidelines was really bad and that the locker room was even worse. I think a lot of frustratiuon has been building up with the last year or two and it's coming to a head. Thus, it might be better to even have the waterboy coach the team. OK, not the waterboy, but someone else.The real problem is that Blache is even more of an idiot than Zorn. So, who takes over???? Even if it's just for the rest of this season.If we check Dan's phone records, I bet we find calls to Shannahan, Cowher, and/or Holmgren.

Phone ringing...Mike Shanahan: Hello. This is Mike Shanahan.Dan Snyder: Hi Mike. This is Dan Snyder. [Click. Dial Tone]. Hello? Hello? Mike?Phone ringing...Bill Cowher: Hello. This is Bill Cowher.Dan Snyder: Hi Bill.This is Dan Snyder. Bill Cowher: Not interested. [Click. Dial Tone].Phone ringing...Mike Holmgren: Hello. This is Mike Holmgren.Dan Snyder: Hi Mike. This is Dan Snyder.Mike Holmgren: Not interested. [Click. Dial Tone].Phone ringing...Man answers: Hello. This is Jim Fassel...

 

[Sebowski]

Is there a spread yet for next week? The Bucs are -50 so far this season and I can't imagine the Skins being favored by more than 3.

Yesterday we were favored by 7

 

[dgreen]

Is there a spread yet for next week? The Bucs are -50 so far this season and I can't imagine the Skins being favored by more than 3.

Yesterday we were favored by 7

Right, and 9.5 against STL.There has to be a downward trend. No chance anyone puts money on Washington -6.

 

[TankRizzo]

All the Jim Zorn bashing aside, I fail to see how firing him 3 weeks into the season makes any sense. This franchise has been bereft of stability and letting someone go three weeks into their 2nd year just compounds the problem IMHO.

Jason under normal circumstances, you are right...nobody benefits from it. If the players are tuning out the coach, then what is the difference. It's already reported that the attitude on the sidelines was really bad and that the locker room was even worse. I think a lot of frustratiuon has been building up with the last year or two and it's coming to a head. Thus, it might be better to even have the waterboy coach the team. OK, not the waterboy, but someone else.The real problem is that Blache is even more of an idiot than Zorn. So, who takes over???? Even if it's just for the rest of this season.If we check Dan's phone records, I bet we find calls to Shannahan, Cowher, and/or Holmgren.

Phone ringing...Mike Shanahan: Hello. This is Mike Shanahan.Dan Snyder: Hi Mike. This is Dan Snyder. [Click. Dial Tone]. Hello? Hello? Mike?Phone ringing...Bill Cowher: Hello. This is Bill Cowher.Dan Snyder: Hi Bill.This is Dan Snyder. Bill Cowher: Not interested. [Click. Dial Tone].Phone ringing...Mike Holmgren: Hello. This is Mike Holmgren.Dan Snyder: Hi Mike. This is Dan Snyder.Mike Holmgren: Not interested. [Click. Dial Tone].Phone ringing...Man answers: Hello. This is Jim Fassel...

Fassel has that sweet gig in the USFL, why would he ever give that up to come to this train wreck now?

 

[TankRizzo]

Is there a spread yet for next week? The Bucs are -50 so far this season and I can't imagine the Skins being favored by more than 3.

Yesterday we were favored by 7

Right, and 9.5 against STL.There has to be a downward trend. No chance anyone puts money on Washington -6.

The under is money in the bank though!

 

[Ookie Pringle]

All the Jim Zorn bashing aside, I fail to see how firing him 3 weeks into the season makes any sense. This franchise has been bereft of stability and letting someone go three weeks into their 2nd year just compounds the problem IMHO.

Jason under normal circumstances, you are right...nobody benefits from it. If the players are tuning out the coach, then what is the difference. It's already reported that the attitude on the sidelines was really bad and that the locker room was even worse. I think a lot of frustratiuon has been building up with the last year or two and it's coming to a head. Thus, it might be better to even have the waterboy coach the team. OK, not the waterboy, but someone else.The real problem is that Blache is even more of an idiot than Zorn. So, who takes over???? Even if it's just for the rest of this season.If we check Dan's phone records, I bet we find calls to Shannahan, Cowher, and/or Holmgren.

Phone ringing...Mike Shanahan: Hello. This is Mike Shanahan.Dan Snyder: Hi Mike. This is Dan Snyder. [Click. Dial Tone]. Hello? Hello? Mike?Phone ringing...Bill Cowher: Hello. This is Bill Cowher.Dan Snyder: Hi Bill.This is Dan Snyder. Bill Cowher: Not interested. [Click. Dial Tone].Phone ringing...Mike Holmgren: Hello. This is Mike Holmgren.Dan Snyder: Hi Mike. This is Dan Snyder.Mike Holmgren: Not interested. [Click. Dial Tone].Phone ringing...Man answers: Hello. This is Jim Fassel...

 

[dgreen]

Is there a spread yet for next week? The Bucs are -50 so far this season and I can't imagine the Skins being favored by more than 3.

Yesterday we were favored by 7

Right, and 9.5 against STL.There has to be a downward trend. No chance anyone puts money on Washington -6.

The under is money in the bank though!

How low has an o/u ever been?

 

[dgreen]

I already know what will happen as the week progresses and I hate myself for it. Towards the end of the week, I'll find some reason to be optimistic about just this one game. I actually believe that they could/should defeat the Bucs by a somewhat comfortable margin. That's the good thing about there being a full week between games. It gives me time to "get over it" and renew my optimism. If their next game was today, I'd rather eat the tickets than attend. But, I'll probably be there. And, once again, I'll probably leave in amazement at the end wondering how they could lose to a team like the lowly -50 Bucs.

I'm such a friggin' idiot.

 

[dgreen]

From the Washington Times from Zorn's PC today:

Jim Zorn didn't want to look back during his brief Monday afternoon media availability, either to 2008 -- when his Redskins lost six of their last eight games -- or to the first few games of this season, which has his team off to a lackluster, 1-2 start.

The latest number in that loss column, of course, came in Sunday's 19-14 loss at Detroit, breaking the Lions' losing streak after 19 games.

In fact, Zorn insists he sees progress from his team.

"In the big picture, things are progressing, we're getting better," Zorn said.

(I shared that quote with a friend of mine, a huge Redskins fan and a season ticket holder, who responded: "Does this picture stretch to 2016?")

But back to Zorn: "We're just going to continue to press on and take care of the details. ... We have to look and see what happens and take care of the details and take care of the things that will help us win."

The only other real highlight from the presser came after a reporter asked if he'd spoken with Redskins owner Dan Snyder on Sunday after the game. "Not much," Zorn said. "I haven't spent a lot of time with him, but I'll be spending a lot of time with him this week, no question."

Zorn was pressed on expectations and the mood in the locker room, as well as motivation and frustration among players. The coach insisted that questions about job security, or him losing the players, come from "outside our locker room."

Still, Zorn said he'd have his team ready to "regroup" with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers coming to town on Sunday, though he doesn't expect he'll need to do anything special to motivate the troops.

So don't expect him to do anything other than "stay medium."

"I think I will be 'real' to them," Zorn said. "I don't need to yell at a bunch of men to say, 'Come on guys, let's go now.' And I don't have to play a psychological game with them either."

Ryan O'Halloran is out at Redskins Park today and he'll have a lot more later on the blog and on the site. So, stay tuned.

 

[Sylira21]

From the Washington Times from Zorn's PC today:

In fact, Zorn insists he sees progress from his team.

"In the big picture, things are progressing, we're getting better," Zorn said.

Oh my...I think he's lost all touch with reality now.

 

[TankRizzo]

From the Washington Times from Zorn's PC today:

Yeah, Zorn....if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Is it me or has today not been nearly as bad as I anticipated? I expected a lot more "the sky is falling" than this...or maybe it's just that I'm numb to the whole thing and it all just seems the same now

 

[Maroney=Sped]

"Stay medium mediocre"

Fixed.

 

[Maroney=Sped]

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You are who I want to hear from right now, GB.

 

[TankRizzo]

"Stay medium mediocre"

Fixed.

Nothing is "well done", that's for sure.

 

[Hedgehog]

Feel for the Skins - I know the running game is a train wreck - just checking though - was Portis gimpy or just lousy offense? Read that Betts may lose the 3rd down job but should still be the main backup - anyone confirm this?

 

[Bizkiteer]

Billick is in the booth and not on the sidelines for a reason. Ok, for lots of reasons. The fact that he agreed with Zorn is more proof that Zorn was wrong. You always make a kicker kick a 50 yarder in that situation. The chance he misses weighted with the field position recieved after a miss from there make it a no-brainer.

Uhhh, the PK would have had to kick over a 50 yarder if they hadn't made the first. As is, it would have been a 40+ yarder, which is easy peasy for a PK like Jason Hason. That is why they took the penalty, better chance that he wouldn't make the FG or attempt on for 50+.

 

[dgreen]

Feel for the Skins - I know the running game is a train wreck - just checking though - was Portis gimpy or just lousy offense? Read that Betts may lose the 3rd down job but should still be the main backup - anyone confirm this?

It's anyone's guess what they do with their RBs.As for Portis' ability, I may be in the minority, but I still think he's a really good talent. If his ankles were bothering him yesterday, I didn't notice. He had a couple very nice, hard runs.I think his main issues have been vision-oriented, which would speak to buster's complaints on the GL carry. I've noticed him missing holes other times too.

 

[phrozen]

I already know what will happen as the week progresses and I hate myself for it. Towards the end of the week, I'll find some reason to be optimistic about just this one game. I actually believe that they could/should defeat the Bucs by a somewhat comfortable margin. That's the good thing about there being a full week between games. It gives me time to "get over it" and renew my optimism. If their next game was today, I'd rather eat the tickets than attend. But, I'll probably be there. And, once again, I'll probably leave in amazement at the end wondering how they could lose to a team like the lowly -50 Bucs.I'm such a friggin' idiot.

you are not the only one. I find myself doing the same thing week after week. no matter how bad the skins play, I always find something to be optimistic about for the next game. After yesterday's performance coupled with the Rams game, I find nothing to be optimistic about for the Bucs game. From Zorn's presser he is obviously lost touch with reality about how the team is playing.I just hope that Zorn is gone next year as Campbell. I know it is not all Campbell's fault but I just can't see the team renewing his contract for next year. We need a fresh start with the whole team for the most part. Whoever said we probably will have a couple of 4-12 type seasons is on the mark until we can get rid of the right players/personnel and start fresh. <- Official Redskins FBG smilie this year