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*** Official 2011 New York Giants Thread *** (1 Viewer)

Mike Garafolo

Now Coughlin confirms: no chance to match. "And we were told we were going to" have that opportunity.

I suspect the Eagles gave Smith the ultimatum that if he left without signing, then the offer would be pulled. Can't blame them, I think the Giants and other teams do the same with FA's.

 
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GM J Reese @ today's press conference:

"Travis Beckum will catch 35 passes this season."

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Don't expect Giant TEs to be more than a bye week fill in.

 
GM J Reese @ today's press conference:"Travis Beckum will catch 35 passes this season."--------------------------------------------------------------------Don't expect Giant TEs to be more than a bye week fill in.
Boss caught 35 last year in 13 gamesand 42 in 15 games in 2009
 
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Steve Smith signs a 1year $4 million, $2 million guaranteed deal with the Eagles.

That's a nut-punch.
I think this hurts more emotionally than it will hurt on the field this season.Has any player in the history of the NFL who had micro fracture surgery come back and as productive as they were before the injury in their 1st season back for the surgery? (That was a mouthful)
Kellen WinslowMarques Colston

Heres a FBG article on micro fracture: http://subscribers.footballguys.com/2009/09colstoninjury.php

 
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GM J Reese @ today's press conference:"Travis Beckum will catch 35 passes this season."--------------------------------------------------------------------Don't expect Giant TEs to be more than a bye week fill in.
i'm taking a "wait-and-see" approach to beckum. he's got opportunity here really.
 
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/6852878/new-york-giants-pat-hanlon-spokesman-critical-fan-knucklehead

Giants' Pat Hanlon on Twitter tear

Chad Ochocinco, Terrell Owens, even Maurice Jones-Drew, move over. The biggest Twitter trash-talker might be New York Giants vice president of communications Pat Hanlon.

Hanlon was at it again Wednesday, calling out fans for questioning the Giants' offseason moves.

On the same night that wide receiver Steve Smith signed with the Eagles, an NFC East rival, a fan tweeted: "Can you say definitively the Giants are better than last year?"

Hanlon's reply: "Can you say we're worse, knucklehead?"

Another fan tweeted: "All teams need to rebuild at one point, I'm not going to panic until the season begins." To which Hanlon says: "Re-build my ###! I got your re-build."

To this tweet from a fan: "Giants off-season can be summed up w/ one word: Debacle," Hanlon responds: "Thanks Lombardi. Cause I know you know."

Another fan said the Giants are worse on paper than they were last year.

"We don't play on paper. You know what you can do w/ that paper?" Hanlon responded.

In the past, Hanlon has used Twitter to poke the New York Jets.

Back in May, Hanlon responded to coach Rex Ryan, who said the Jets would have beaten the Packers had they made it to the Super Bowl, by tweeting: "You gotta be in it to win it" and repeated a Giants motto: "Talk is cheap."

Taking a further jab at Ryan, he tweeted: "Tom Coughlin wrote a book, too. It was about a team and an HC that won a Super Bowl."

The comments prompted Ryan to seemingly joke to ESPNNewYork.com's Jane McManus: "My big thing is, I think I can whip Pat. I'm worried about him throwing a BlackBerry at me."

Despite some of the more inflammatory tweets Wednesday, Hanlon's basic point seemed to be that Giants fans shouldn't panic just because the team hasn't made a substantial splash in free agency.

"Typically, we try to make our noise in Jan-Feb," he tweeted, as well as, "You like winning? Sit tight."

 
Osi is out 3-4 weeks bc he's getting his knee cleaned out after 3 practices.

I think Reese deserves a little credit for sticking to his guns and not cracking to Osi's contract demands. I trust Reese completely and I'm sure the info he's getting back regarding players health is a lot better then the rumors we read on the internet.

 
Osi is out 3-4 weeks bc he's getting his knee cleaned out after 3 practices. I think Reese deserves a little credit for sticking to his guns and not cracking to Osi's contract demands. I trust Reese completely and I'm sure the info he's getting back regarding players health is a lot better then the rumors we read on the internet.
Reese played the situation perfectly. He knew that he was holding all the cards and he didn't do anything stupid. He's got to be right up there among the best when it comes to managing personalities. Overall, I'm not worried about having or not having Osi around. I think the drop off between Osi and JPP is less than many people realize, with experience being the major difference. Actually, I think there is a danger that JPP could steal enough time from Osi this year that it could ultimately hurt Osi's trade value, if they decided they wanted to go that way once the season was over.
 
Giants lose CBs T. Thomas and Witherspoon to torn ACLs.

Mike Garafolo

Tough one. RT @Spoony29: Just wanna say thank you to all who were behind me, and supporting me! My season has come to an end TORN ACL.

Witherspoon was having a great camp and would have contributed. Surprised Coughlin would risk the guy on KRs in a preseason game after Thomas had already gotten hurt.

Aaron Ross needs to step up and be what was expected when he was made a #1pick. It's a contract year so he has money as and added incentive.

 
START ALL WRS vs. the Giants in '11. :thumbup:
That would have worked out real well last night even after TT went down the Giants didn't allow a passing TD.Giants still have two very good starting CBs (Webster and Ross)and two very good starting safties (Phillips and Rolle). Not to mention a Great D line and a young group of Linebackers who look to be coming into their own. Prince should be ready contribute the 2nd half of the season. But your right in most cases if a team (i.e. Eagles or Jets) lose their best CB start ALL WRs ... their season is over
 
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MLB Goff joins Sintim, Thomas, Austin and Witherspoon on IR. Kawika Mitchell is expected to be signed to compete with Greg Jones for the MLB spot.

 
So it's starting to look like Tuck is going to play Monday night. link

Not sure about Nicks yet link

The pass defense needs to step up big time because the offense is sleep walking

 
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Good win for the Giants yesterday against the Eagles and great game by Kevin Gilbride. I always give him grief when I think he messes up so I need to give him props when I think he does well.

 
Good win for the Giants yesterday against the Eagles and great game by Kevin Gilbride. I always give him grief when I think he messes up so I need to give him props when I think he does well.
:goodposting:I often lothe his play calling, but yesterday was solid. Glad to see he remembered what a "screen pass" is.
 
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Good win for the Giants yesterday against the Eagles and great game by Kevin Gilbride. I always give him grief when I think he messes up so I need to give him props when I think he does well.
:goodposting:I often lothe his play calling, but yesterday was solid. Glad to see he remembered what a "screen pass" is.
Amen to that! This makes 2 weeks in a row that Gilbride has actually remembered what the screen pass is and when to use it.Both have been very productive. The one against the Rams Bradshaw was able to convert a 3rd and long and yesterday it went for a TD
 
Re-Focused – Giants @ Eagles, Week 3

September 26th, 2011 | Author: Sam Monson

In a result not one of the PFF staff picked, the Giants were able to walk out of Philadelphia with a road victory. They were helped somewhat by Michael Vick sitting out the closing stages of the game with a suspected broken hand (now said to be just a contusion, not a fracture) and his backup Mike Kafka throwing interceptions, but they did their damage early and the Eagles couldn’t mount the comeback.

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Though without Mario Manningham, the Giants showed that Victor Cruz is more than just a preseason story and got some big plays out of the receiver who ended up with three receptions for 110 yards and a pair of touchdowns. New York also got some strong play from their running backs, Ahmad Bradshaw and Brandon Jacobs.

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As much as the Eagles were relying on Vick, he wasn’t helping them out at times, fumbling the snap on more than one occasion, but he did make some big throws and they may have been able to challenge for the win without his injury.

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New York Giants – Three Performances of Note

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Aaron Ross shows his talent.

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Aaron Ross has had such an injury-blighted career, not to mention enough poor play, that it’s very easy to forget he was once a first round draft pick. The former 20th overall selection reminded people with this performance though. Ross was thrown at seven times but allowed just three receptions for 28 yards, grabbing a pair of interceptions and a PD along the way. It wasn’t like he was hidden away dealing with rotation receivers either, as three of those targets were towards DeSean Jackson, and the others were split between Jeremy Maclin, Jason Avant and former teammate Steve Smith. It would be a great boost for the Giants if they could finally see a run of play from Ross.

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Giants have no answer at LT

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David Diehl was no left tackle. He may not even be a left guard at this point in his career, but that’s a discussion for another game, and another Re-Focused. What is becoming apparent though, if you hadn’t already guessed, is that William Beatty isn’t any better of an option there. Beatty allowed a sack and two pressures in this game and was beaten multiple times in the run game. It’s fair to say he won’t face much stiffer tests than Trent Cole, but it’s also fair to say that, regardless of the competition, he needs to have a much better showing to convince the Giants that they can go forward with him at the trouble spot.

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Bradshaw’s 2010 no fluke

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Ahmad Bradshaw was something of a revelation in 2010. The pocket dynamo was a strong runner and a dynamic weapon after the catch, particularly on screens. On this evidence he is the same player in 2011, and last year we were witnessing a real coming out party rather than an anomalous high-tide mark. He was too quick through the hole all day for Eagles defenders and he is a nightmare to try and track down and contain on screen passes. His PFF Grade of +4.5 for the day was an impressive score, and was pretty evenly split between his work in the run and receiving games. The Giants also got some nice complementary play from Brandon Jacobs (+1.7)

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Philadelphia – Three Performances of Note

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The O-line is Philadelphia’s Achilles Heel?

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It’s been said by some sections of the media that this O-line is the weak spot of the Eagles line up, and that they’re going to get Michael Vick killed over the course of the season with the pressure they allow. Well, not really on this showing. Jason Kelce didn’t have a good game (-3.8), but he allowed just a sack and two more pressures. Evan Mathis at left guard (+2.4) had a fine outing, and Todd Herremans, struggling so far this season at RT, looked far more comfortable, allowing just a lone pressure. Vick takes more hits than other passers, but much of it is not on the O-line, and this game was a pretty good example of that.

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Trent Cole is a monster.

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We’ve been saying that for so long it almost seems redundant, but there can be few things more terrifying for a left tackle, especially a suspect one, than seeing Trent Cole crouched in that Jim Washburn four-point stance, ready to come after you. Cole was too much for the Giants all day, getting a sack and two more pressures, and also making some big plays against the run. He remains one of the most complete defensive ends in the game and with a performance like this really deserved to be on the winning side of the score.

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Teams might want to start throwing at Nnamdi Asomugha

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They probably won’t, but he was beaten on two of the four throws sent his way in this game, most notably on a jump-ball to Victor Cruz for a touchdown, where he was out-muscled by the relative unknown. Compounding his poor day at the office, Asomugha also missed a pair of tackles, something that is a pretty strong trend in his game, and one for which there really should be no excuse given his build and athletic skills. Asomugha is obviously a quality corner, but teams might want to take a look at making him earn some of that blockbuster contract, rather than just ceding his coverage ground to him without a fight.

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Game Notes

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● Both Mike Patterson and Cullen Jenkins struggled vs the run in this game, whilst Antonio Dixon did not (+1.9). Time for him to see some more snaps early on.

● These two teams combined for 18 missed tackles in this game, nine each.

● Michael Vick attempted just two passes to the right of the field outside the numbers, completing both.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/09/26/re-focused-giants-eagles-week-3/

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Disappointing news about Beatty, from reading Mike Garafolo's articles, I'd gotten the impression he was doing really well. Then again most of that impression was probably built from how well he did vs. JPP and Osi in practice.

 
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Giants linebacker Jacquian Williams shedding anonymity by flashing his speed on field

Zach Berman/The Star-Ledger

Marc Ross described the rationale of selecting the final Giants draft picks on the third day of April’s NFL Draft, when scouting directors such as Ross earn their paycheck — and their reputations — by scouring for hidden gems among a list of prospects who primarily become roster fillers.

When Ross came upon sixth-round pick linebacker Jacquian Williams from South Florida, he admitted Williams was an “undercover guy.”

In other words, not many draftniks knew about him. Williams didn’t have the college profiles of other sixth-round picks such as Tyler Sash or Greg Jones. He didn’t have the football experience of seventh-round pick Da’Rel Scott.

“If you went in there, you saw a 220 linebacker, you might say, ‘Okay, we won’t look at him,’” Ross said at the time. “But he jumps off the tape at you because of his speed and competitiveness. And he flies around. And since South Florida had about eight guys on defense that you have to look at, he was just under the radar because of him being a developer, and just not a high-profile name.”

The early returns have been positive. Williams has become a significant contributor on the Giants’ defense, playing linebacker in the nickel formation and watching his role increase each week. In last week’s 29-16 victory over the Philadelphia Eagles, Williams led the Giants with nine tackles and was responsible for shadowing Philadelphia quarterback Michael Vick.

“It was kind of more than I expected,” Williams said about how much he played against the Eagles.

He didn’t anticipate playing much on defense at all this season. Williams was told to master special teams, where the 6-3, 224-pound linebacker could add speed to a unit that needed improvement.

When starting middle linebacker Jonathan Goff suffered a season-ending injury before the opener, the Giants needed to make adjustments. That was particularly the case in the nickel formation, where the Giants field speedy linebackers. He’s since added goal line responsibilities, too.

“He has displayed, quite frankly, some things that a lot of times you don’t get a chance to cover but yet it comes up on the field and the kid is in the right spot,” coach Tom Coughlin said. “He studies, he works, he is humble and he is quiet. You saw the speed in which he plays and he was able to go to the sidelines with (Eagles running back LeSean) McCoy, who is obviously having a heck of a year. That was impressive.”

The key for Williams has been playing with a clear mind. The veterans on the Giants want him to learn the defense, but they don’t want all the information to inhibit his athleticism on Sundays.

“The biggest thing they tell me is on game day, just turn it off and play football,” said Williams, who cited Mathias Kiwanuka, Michael Boley and Deon Grant as mentors. “Certain situations, before the play, Kiwi will tell me, ‘Just calm down.’ ”

Williams is a late bloomer by nature, playing at Fort Scott Community College in Kansas before transferring to South Florida for two seasons. He only started during his final year. It was the same path that Jason Pierre-Paul took to the Giants.

Pierre-Paul echoed the message of the other veterans, even telling Williams that his own rookie season would have been better if he had played with a clear mind. Because knowledge comes with experience, a rookie can contribute by showcasing raw athleticism.

In Williams’ case, the defining asset is speed. He said he and Pierre-Paul are examples of the speed at South Florida. And considering Williams has become almost like an undersized Pierre-Paul this season, Coughlin might implore Ross to continuing scouting in Tampa for more “undercover” prospects.

“I don’t know if they are,” Coughlin said, “but let’s get more.”

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2011/09/giants_linebacker_jacquian_wil.html

 
Huge win for Big Blue as they avoided an 0-2 divisional start. I have to admit I wasn't putting much stock in the players talk of redemption as they prepared for this game. Talking tough is easy but backing it up is something different altogether and I didn't have a lot of confidence that we'd stop our slide versus the Eagles. Good to see the boys show up.

I know Gilbride has been given credit in this thread for calling a good game however I'm still not ready to give him plaudits. The Giants still ran a couple of short yardage plays where they elected to pass and promptly threw the ball to a receiver who was a yard short of the first down marker. The Giants do this far too often and making matters worse, seem to direct the ball to players who don't make defenders miss in those situations. These are the kinds of plays that drive the fanbase crazy. The team works in practice all week and all we can come up with on 3rd and 3 is a two yard pass? Gilbride needs to do better than that. There are enough weapons in the arsenal, even with the injuries, to get a better showing here.

I'm going to need help with the trick play in the first half that resulted in the fake reverse where Eli kept the ball and then chucked it down the sideline to the fullback. The fake part of the play looked good, but when they showed the full field view on replay there were only two receivers running routes and one was the fullback! Huh?

I think the only reason we're not killing Gilbride in this thread is because the Eagles playcalling was exponentially worse. I haven't seen the Birds run their offense that poorly in a long time. Some of it was the play of our D but they also made a LOT of terrible calls.

I agree with the kudos for the screen plays. For years we've made the screen pass look like one of the mosre difficult plays in football but we finally ran it with efficiency on Sunday. Hopefully this is just the beginning.

I was pleased that we managed to avoid our normal quota of delay of game penalties. If Gilbride has something to do with us speeding up this portion of the play I'll consider myself thankful and appreciative.

 
Didn't get to see anything but the highlights of yesterday's win. I'm thrilled we made a West Coast road trip and stole a W in what figured to be a letup game after teh victory in Philly.

For those that caught the action, how did Osi look and what was the division of the playing time? I saw Osi had a strong stat line but I didn't know how much he might've supplanted JPP in the lineup.

Also, Manningham's soft day a result of slowly being worked in or a sign of things to come?

 
Didn't get to see anything but the highlights of yesterday's win. I'm thrilled we made a West Coast road trip and stole a W in what figured to be a letup game after teh victory in Philly. For those that caught the action, how did Osi look and what was the division of the playing time? I saw Osi had a strong stat line but I didn't know how much he might've supplanted JPP in the lineup. Also, Manningham's soft day a result of slowly being worked in or a sign of things to come?
I didn't get a chance to watch it, but from what I've read, Osi was good at the pass rush but not very good in run defense. The team is missing what Tuck adds on run defense in a big way.Manning apparently was upset with Manningham early in the game, it's thought for making bad reads, so Cruz got more playing time. Hard to say if Manningham was rusty after his time off for concussion or if it's just a lack of effort on his part and Cruz is seizing the opportunity.
 
This was a game they should feel lucky to have won. The came out flat and floundered inside their own 30 yard line way too much. Arizona did seem to be playing a little faster than I remember, but you have to love sneaking a win out when you don't play a solid 60 minutes. I thought they did an excellent job of containing Fitz and not getting beat on the deep ball.

Nicks looked fast, and as usual Manningham and Cruz made me desperately miss Steve Smith. So smart, and sure handed, both of these guys need to step up mentally if we want to contend in the 2nd part of the season. Manningham, as usual was all over the place and Cruz nearly cost us the game with a very mental mistake, but luckily the referee's "judgment call" could not be reviewed.

Osi was stellar in the pass rush, and I think Tuck being out contributed highly to the success Arizona had on the ground. Give them credit though, when Arizona was driving late, JPP and Osi stepped up with a couple HUGE plays.

1-1 is not acceptable in my opinion before the bye. This team CAN, and should go 2-0 with wins against Seattle and Buffalo, and if they do not I would be extremely disappointed. Look at the sledding after the week 7 bye week...

@NE

v. Philly

@ New Orleans

v. Green Bay

2 against Dallas

v. Washington

Christmas Eve vs. The Jets

That is a brutal 2nd half. This team will be battle tested if they can get to 10 wins.

 
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This was a game they should feel lucky to have won. The came out flat and floundered inside their own 30 yard line way too much. Arizona did seem to be playing a little faster than I remember, but you have to love sneaking a win out when you don't play a solid 60 minutes. I thought they did an excellent job of containing Fitz and not getting beat on the deep ball.

Nicks looked fast, and as usual Manningham and Cruz made me desperately miss Steve Smith. So smart, and sure handed, both of these guys need to step up mentally if we want to contend in the 2nd part of the season. Manningham, as usual was all over the place and Cruz nearly cost us the game with a very mental mistake, but luckily the referee's "judgment call" could not be reviewed.

Osi was stellar in the pass rush, and I think Tuck being out contributed highly to the success Arizona had on the ground. Give them credit though, when Arizona was driving late, JPP and Osi stepped up with a couple HUGE plays.

1-1 is not acceptable in my opinion before the bye. This team CAN, and should go 2-0 with wins against Seattle and Buffalo, and if they do not I would be extremely disappointed. Look at the sledding after the week 7 bye week...

@NE

v. Philly

@ New Orleans

v. Green Bay

2 against Dallas

v. Washington

Christmas Eve vs. The Jets

That is a brutal 2nd half. This team will be battle tested if they can get to 10 wins.
It looked a lot more brutal before the season started. After 4 weeks, it doesn't seem all that bad. The only teams there that scare me at the moment are NE, NO and GB. Philly, Dallas, Washington and the Jets all seem very beatable to me.
 
Should someone dump Manningham to pick up Cruz if they only have room for one of them?

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Coaches are saying Manningham is #2 still. Beat writer Mike Garafolo predicts a big game from Manningham this week. Mike Garafolo of the Newark Star-Ledger writes that he's "smelling a breakout game" for Mario Manningham in Week 5 against Seattle.

Garafolo points out that the Seahawks' slow-footed, oversized corners have been susceptible to quick outs and slants. He anticipates the Giants sizing up the defense with those kinds of throws, before surprising Seattle with deep shots to Mario. It's all obviously speculation, but makes some sense. The Seahawks defend the run as well as any defense in the NFL, so the Giants may come out of the gates attacking them with the pass.

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/4654/mario-manningham

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My gut says Manningham is the one to keep. I don't think Cruz having 2 good games will be enough cause for the Giants to bump him ahead of Manningham.

 
The Seahawks have the second-worst pass completion percentage allowed in the NFL at 68.9 percent. But they're middle of the pack (16th, to be exact) in yards per game surrendered. Part of the reason is they've played from behind, so they've faced only 132 attempts (eighth fewest in the league), but also because they've given up a lot of short outs and slants.

That was the case last week against the Falcons for practically the entire first half. Every time the Atlanta Falcons looked to hit a deep ball, it was covered so QB Matt Ryan either tucked and ran or took his check-down option. But with each short completion, it seemed Seattle's DBs started to cheat more and more on their toes.

So what happened? On the first snap of the second half, the Falcons came out in a broken-I formation, pulled a play action that got the safety buzzing down into the box and then ran rookie WR Julio Jones past CB Brandon Browner.

As this all relates to this game, if things line up the same way, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Giants take the same, patient approach early on and have QB Eli Manning take his check-down and shorter options and then — bang — look deep for WR Mario Manningham up the sideline.

Yeah, that's right: I smell a breakout game for Manningham. The Giants are good at taking their shots deep out of running formations, which is exactly what they did against the Packers last year when Manningham had an 85-yard TD out of a two-back set that had Green Bay thinking run. I could easily see something similar occurring this weekend.

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2011/10/giants-seahawks_a_look_ahead_t.html

 
Giants' Kevin Gilbride on Mario Manningham vs. Cardinals: 'His best game by far'

By Mike Garafolo/The Star-Ledger

The Giants' Mario Manningham had only one catch for 10 yards on Sunday against the Arizona Cardinals. It was his worst game since …

Hang on.

(Does the Jon Stewart finger-to-the-ear thing)

It was what? His what game? (Pause) Really?

“That was really his best game,” offensive coordinator Kevin Gilbride said today.

Interesting.

“He had nothing to show for it production-wise, but he ran a lot of good routes and got himself open,” Gilbride said. “It was just, because of the coverage or what have you, the ball went the other way. But really that was his best game.”

Manningham was frustrated during his session with reporters on Wednesday. I had mentioned it seemed he was more agitated by the questions than the subject of the questions, which was that he had supposedly been demoted.

And now we get a better understanding why he was irritated: because he didn’t have a bad game and wasn’t demoted.

“It was just really seeing some things that ... I thought Victor (Cruz) would do more effectively," Gilbride said. "We’ll always do that. We’ll move people around, we’ll play Manningham in a certain spot, we’ll put Victor in certain spots, we’ll play Hakeem (Nicks) in different things.

“It’s really just taking advantage of the ability level of that guy for that particular play.”

It’s funny, because this story line wouldn’t have existed if Manning had thrown a few passes Manningham’s way. As I noted in my game review, late in the first half, he was breaking free on a post up the deep middle well inside cornerback A.J. Jefferson, but Manning threw up the right sideline for Cruz.

“He was wide open on that one,” Gilbride said, laughing as he repeated: “He was wide open on that one.”

And did we mention …?

“This was his best game. This was his best game, by far,” Gilbride said. “He was wide open on about four or five shots in the second half of the game, but the reads took the quarterback (elsewhere).”

This, of course, is a good problem for Gilbride to have. Cruz has nine catches for 208 yards and a touchdown in his past two games, combined. Finding enough work for Manningham, and making sure he doesn’t get discouraged means the passing game (ranked 13th in the NFL right now) is clicking.

“I like it when you guys can zero in on something that wasn’t good and yet we were good in the other areas,” Gilbride said. “That means maybe next, you know two weeks ago, you were asking how come Hakeem didn’t get the ball. Usually it balances itself out. I’m much less concerned about those things than you are.

“What I’m concerned about is: Are we moving the ball? Are we having success? And so far we’re doing that.”

So to my uncle and all those who have asked me: Don’t go putting Manningham on the waiver wire in your fantasy leagues just yet.

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As a follow-up to my game review note on Cruz on the play mentioned above, Gilbride said, “Victor was exactly right. He was perfect. He did exactly what we wanted.”

So if Cruz was “perfect” and Manningham was wide open, that means it was Manning who goofed on that play. Hey, it happens.

Watching that play over again, I’m going to correct myself: I don’t think Jefferson was playing man coverage on Manningham, as I had initially suspected. He was providing help over the top. If I had to guess, I’d say it was blown man coverage by either CB Richard Marshall or LB Sam Acho. Both went with Cruz. I’d say one — probably Marshall — should have gone with Manningham.

It was a goofy-looking coverage and it might have been what threw off Manning. Maybe he saw what I initially saw, which was Jefferson on Manningham in man coverage.

I’ve had four days to look at this play. Manning had less than four seconds.

What a tough game to play, huh?

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While the Giants coaches don't trash talk players like Shannahan does, they have in the past said things like a player needs to "grow up" or needs to step up. They usually will say if a player hasn't been playing well rather than giving coach speak that everything is fine.

I thought maybe they were protecting Manningham due to the concussion and using him mostly as a decoy, but they went to him early:

First series:

1. First play from scrimmage - I Formation. Manningham on the right, Nicks on the left. Eli is going to Manningham all the way on this play and he wants to release the ball quickly. He expects Mario to run a come back route to the ball. Mario keeps running and is late coming back allowing the DB to get his hands on the ball. Incomplete. Eli has his hands up wondering what Mario was doing.

2. This looks like an H-Back set with Hynoski lined up where the TE would normally be. Mario and Hakeem switch spots. Eli once again targets Mario and the ball is thrown behind him. He's either late coming back to it or the ball was just poorly thrown. There's a ton of DB traffic in the area. This could have easily turned into a pick six. Hard to know where the curl on the route should have been if the route was incorrectly run.

http://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=417399

 
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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203914304576627583972440222.html

EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J.—Eli Manning quietly stole receiver Hakeem Nicks's cell phone, punched a few keys and when Nicks came back to his locker, the phone's operational language had been switched to Japanese.

"I had to get somebody's help," Nicks said. Pausing Wednesday, Manning's best receiver thought back to that long—annoying—day a year ago and said, "Steve Smith. I think me and Steve figured it out—because Eli did it to him before."

Manning has taken Victor Cruz's towel, hanging fresh and fluffy outside the shower, soaked it in water and hung it back in its spot. He's taken Travis Beckum's towel and sprayed it with liquid soap. Last week, he slyly stuck a wad of gum on a football, told Devin Thomas to go out for a pass, and didn't change his expression when Thomas came up with gum on his hand.

"Stupid. He got me. Eli being Eli," Thomas said, shaking his head. But then, with a laugh, Thomas said there's a genius in this leadership-by-pranking: you can only prank—and be pranked—if you trust. If you trust, you don't point fingers. If you don't point fingers, it's easier to stay positive—especially after an unexpected and ugly loss, like last Sunday's against the Seahawks.

"I was on a very dramatic finger-pointing team. It split up offense, defense and special teams and you could feel that negativity in the air," Thomas said, referring to some dicey years with the Washington Redskins. "This place is different. I'll tell you this: a quarterback would not be putting gum on a football in Washington."

The Red Sox collapse? The news out of Boston is of a clubhouse wracked by divisions. The Jets' jettisoning of opinionated Derrick Mason? The Jets brass's spin notwithstanding, even Mason's former teammates wondered if there was a message to the locker room wrapped in the move.

Locker room harmony can't be underrated, Giants end Dave Tollefson said. Teams that play well are tight-knit, he said, and loose too.

"I jumped offsides a couple times in the Eagles game and no one said anything to me. Coach Coughlin constantly says we're all in this together. Our D-line coach constantly says, 'If the grenade blows up, we all die,'" said Tollefson.

But it runs deeper than coaching cliches: "It's the social interaction that happens in here. The locker room is a unique place," Tollefson said. "It's kind of like the He-Man Woman Haters Club from the Little Rascals. The growth starts here."

The Giants locker room in the Timex Performance Center is a fairly barren place, split down the middle by big blue bins of laundry. There's no pool table, like the Steelers have, or a cornhole game like the Chiefs. The players' lounge is just couches and some computers, so the Giants largely just "shoot the breeze," Tollefson said. "Or get on each other."

In one corner, long snapper Zak DeOssie has posted up the High Motor White Guy Hall of Fame. (Current honorees: assistant special teams coach Larry Izzo, departed receiver Brandon Stokley and rookie linebacker Mark Herzlich.) In another, by Prince Amukamara's locker, there sits a Halloween costume that the rookie refused to wear. That's the same spot where running back Brandon Jacobs picked him up Wednesday, threw him in one of those laundry bins and wheeled him to a "swim" in the ice tubs.

"Probably 15 or 20 guys saw," Amukamara said, his head down. "No help. Nobody came to help."

To be fair, the Giants as an organization are not immune to backbiting. In the late 1990s and early 2000s, there was all sorts of very public bickering. Defensive end Michael Strahan, then the league's most dominating defensive player, bristled at getting the same signing bonus as a past-his-prime cornerback Jason Sehorn and said he was tired of the better defense "carrying" the often floundering offense.

But where then-coach Jim Fassel would term such things family "squabbles," Coughlin doesn't believe the best families have squabbles, Tollefson said. At least, not the serious kind.

Two or three walk-throughs ago, an initially unknown culprit taped an alternative name over where the "Manning" usually rests on the Giants quarterback's jersey. The name is inappropriate to print, but Manning wore it through most of the session until quarterback David Carr says, Coughlin finally walked over and said, "Who did this?"

"He wasn't really mad, though," Carr said. Maybe because the culprit was probably his real-life son-in-law, Chris Snee. Out with a concussion, the right guard wasn't available for confirmation Wednesday, but Carr said "he's been trying to recruit (new center) David Baas. They're a good bet."

Manning, of course, is ultimately more pranker than prank-ee. A player who requested anonymity said that last year, he tried to sneak a bloody piece of deer meat into Manning's locker. But before Manning came back, he stuck it in a lineman's cubby. "I chickened out," the player said. "You never know about messing with Eli; he's sneaky."

Manning's shtick in camp this year was to go around miming like he had a toothache, asking various rookies to open their mouths so he could look at, say, their wisdom teeth.

"Then he'd throw those black rubber pellets from the field into their mouths," tackle Stacey Andrews said. "I can't believe how many of them fell for it."

When Carr's shoes went missing at a preseason game against the Patriots, he was sure it was Manning (it was actually Beckum, who admitted Wednesday he's so unaccomplished a prankster, "I forgot I stole them") and after Nicks confidently said, "He doesn't mess with me anymore," he said, "I don't know. Maybe you shouldn't write that."

That's a third-year player. As the team's first-round pick, Amukamara catches some sort of ribbing, or sits on the end of some sort of prank, nearly every day, so much so that punter Steve Weatherford groaned, "Prince just gets killed." Amukamara proudly said he hasn't yet been subject to a Manning special, though.

"Eli knows better than that," he said.

Good luck with that.

 
It's good to see that there is no finger pointing going on in the locker room after the disappointing loss to Seattle. I hope they can bounce back and take out the Bills this week.

 
PFF's review:

N.Y. Giants – Three Performances of Note

Bradshaw carries the load

There would be a lot of teams that may struggle when a player of Brandon Jacobs stature goes down (he was inactive in this game), but I’m not sure the Giants aren’t actually slightly better off. Ahmad Bradshaw (+3.2) is such a good all round player I’d like to have him on the field as much as possible, and here he got 83% of snaps; his season high. Clearly, as can be seen from 104 yards and three short yardage touchdowns, he ran the ball very well but it was his pass protection that stood out for me once again; another perfect day while being left in to block 14 times.

It’s interesting to note that this game featured the top two half-backs in the league in that regard because as great as Bradshaw is Fred Jackson is every bit as good.

Ballard Sneaks Up On You

Quietly, perhaps even surreptitiously, Jake Ballard (+1.5) has become a tight end who looks like he may be able to fill the void left by Kevin Boss. He’s not setting any alarm bells ringing or even getting the geekiest of fantasy buffs breathing hard over their computers but he is playing well and garnering more playing time as the season progresses. His percentage of snaps by week is 48, 53, 66, 72, 73 and here 94.

So far this year he’s shown he’s a receiver that catches everything thrown his way (15 of 17 targets with no drops), is a good pass blocker (perfect on 24 snaps in protection) and is developing as a run blocker.

In this game he caught all of the five passes he was the target of for 81 yards and if that continues don’t expect him to stay a secret for too long.

Secondary concerns

A number of members of the defensive backfield played well in this game but nickel safety/linebacker Deon Grant (-2.3) wasn’t among them. Against teams who like to throw he gets a lot of playing time (95% of all snaps here) but his lack of range can be exploited as it was in this game. The two most notable examples were Fred Jackson’s 80 yard TD run where he took such a bad angle on the play he wasn’t even in position to miss a tackle, and the David Nelson post route for 32 yards. Regardless of whether Antrel Rolle was supposed to hand off the big slot receiver (I think he was), the safety with responsibility for the other side of the field got to him first. I’m fairly sure if teams see the Giants playing two high safeties and he’s one of them, they’ll fancy their chances and take a few shots deep or in front of him.

Game Notes

- If Drayton Florence’s numbers weren’t great, Terrence McGee’s (+3.5) were more so. 11 targets, 6 receptions, 56 yards, a pass defended and five stops.

- Eli Manning actually had a better QB rating under pressure than not; 112.5 vs. 87.8

- The Giants didn’t do a lot of blitzing in this game; they brought extra players on only 3 occasions

 
As most people know by now, I host a 100% commercial-free, no one makes a dime from it, Sports Talk radio show on Long Island.

We did a Giants 1st Half Review/2nd Half Preview with New York Daily News Giants beat reporter Ralph Vacchiano last night and I've placed the audio up at

http://sportstalk903.libsyn.com

It's 48 commercial-free minutes in MP3 format.

Here are the topics covered in chronological order:

--The Linebacker situation

--Justin Tuck

--Who are the leaders on this team?

--The changes in the secondary/position switches

--Prince Amukamara

--Barden & Beckum

--How the 2nd Half shapes up

--The Running Back situation

--Brandon Jacobs

--Da’rel Scott

--The Offensive Line

--Jake Ballard

--Eli Manning

--Victor Cruz

--Mario Manningham

--All things Special Teams

--Kevin Gilbride

--Tom Coughlin’s future

--A curtailing of night time activities to come?

--Expected offseason moves

--Chad Jones

--The Top 5 Giants Running Backs in his era

--Will the Giants make the Playoffs?

As always, many thanks. And, I hope to have many more beat writers on as the season goes on.

 
A post I like from BBI:

http://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=423135&show_all=1

FWIW: My two cents on this team right now

Joey in VA : 11/29/2011 1:15 am

Without getting too in depth here, this defense has no faith in its coordinator. We are in week 12 of the season and players have no idea where to lineup. I realize Boley is out, on top of the other losses, Osi is dinged, Tuck is halfway to IR, Rolle is playing CB and we have rookies littering the middle of the field with missed assignments but this defense is 100% lost 3/4 of the way through the season. I hate to be the coordinator hater, but Perry Fewell has absolutely lost this team on defense and its evident in their body language and confusion play in and play out. WHen you don't have faith in your game plan, you play tentatively, almost afraid that what your coach saw may not be what you saw. His plan is most likely too complicated and overwrought with complications when professionals paid to do a job cannot figure out where to lineup on workday #7 of a week.

This is mostly a gut thing I see in the guys, and I know quantifying mood or emotion is foolhardy but I've played under people who seemed overmatched and you don't buy into their philosophy when you what you see on tape is NOT what you are told on the field. His overthinking and timid approach to pressure (please please please read a book on A and B gap pressures and stop trying to blitz off the edge all day when you have 3 pro bowl caliber DEs) is killing this defense. When you see guys not lining up properly and looking confused it is 100% on the man in charge of the defense. As a player you trust what you see and you execute as asked but when you see something that the opponent does that you KNOW will beat you, it just deflates you and you play with that listless look the Giants have had for weeks now. Leaders like Justin Tuck and Corey Webster are looking lost, completely lost and that speaks to their lack of confidence in what they are being asked to do.

I won't sit here and claim to know the scheme we should run or what our talent dictates, but I know full well that trying to pressure a 6-0 QB with a rocket release and speed to burn at WR/RB on the edges is just sheer stupidity. You put your 6-7 and 6-5 DTs in his face and you fire in the A gaps all night long and keep him off balance. You don't blitz Kenny Phillips in the 7 or 8 hole, you don't delay blitz a LB on a loop or a stunt with a DE going wide, you force the issue and you force the offense to contend with you. Fewell is a timid DC who plays on the edges trying like hell to contain everything and not give up the big play but he does not have the LBs or Safeties to pull that off. What he has is a front four and speed at LB that can make a QBs life hell between the center and guard and he chooses to run wide and pressure from the edge which almost never gets home. Don't start your best DE at DT as a gimmick, let him come in later in a drive, fresh like Tuck did in his early years and wear down the interior OL. You don't bang a DE into 330lb guards all day and assume it will work.

Fewell is quite simply overmatched and over thinking his defense to the point that players are not only confused but seemingly without faith in their play calls and without faith in each other. Players are smarter than we want to give credit for, they have a clue what will work and it is clear that this group no longer trusts Fewell to select a sound game plan and it is woefully evident in their play. Go find 10 DCs in teh NFL and lend them Tuck, Osi, JPP, Canty, Joseph, Bernard, Webster, Ross, Rolle, Kiwi, Phillips and see how happy you'd make them. You wouldn't rush 3 and drop 8, you wouldn't start DEs at DT, you'd find a base that works and you punish the offense from guard to guard until they were forced to max protect or their QB flubbed the game away. Perry Fewell is coaching scared and over thinking and despite our injuries he has plenty of talent and no ####### idea what to do with it.

 
I hate to say it, but we need a complete coachIng change. It's time to clean house. Sometimes things just run their course and this is clearly one of those times. They will have their choice in coaches. Who wouldn't want this job with the pieces already in place?

 
The Giants have looked horrible lately but they do control their own destiny in reference to getting into the playoffs. They must win 4 of the last 5. I don’t have faith that they can do it but they aren’t out of it.

I agree that Fewell needs to get the defense going and probably needs to simplify things. I would love to see some A- gap blitzes for a change.

 
The Giants have looked horrible lately but they do control their own destiny in reference to getting into the playoffs. They must win 4 of the last 5. I don’t have faith that they can do it but they aren’t out of it.I agree that Fewell needs to get the defense going and probably needs to simplify things. I would love to see some A- gap blitzes for a change.
When they got Canty and drafted Joseph, I had thought they were intending to create pressure up the middle but that hasn't happened. Spags is on the hot seat, but do coaches often go back to their old job? Giants really do need an attacking style DC. Has a read and react defense ever worked for the Giants? I can't recall any.
 
I hate to say it, but we need a complete coachIng change. It's time to clean house. Sometimes things just run their course and this is clearly one of those times. They will have their choice in coaches. Who wouldn't want this job with the pieces already in place?
Heh, you could paste this in the Eagles thread and no one would know the difference.
 
Giants have to settle for a moral victory after playing the Packers in a really tight game. It's a shame the refs were such a factor int his game. GB dodged a bullet there. It seemed they were calling the Giants very tight but the Packers defenders were allowed to play.

Ballard has a TD catch ruled incomplete. Viewed from the front it does look incomplete but watching the backside view it can be seen that his knee hits in bounds and kicks up a cloud of rubber turf pellets on the green turf. Even the networks expert that once reviewed plays for the NFL said it was a TD. If it was called a TD on the field it likely would have stood. Still it was surprising it wasn't changed from incomplete to TD.

Prince had a questionable PI called on him for bumping wrists with the WR, while a Packer had an obvious handful of Nicks jersey and didn't get flagged.

The incidental contact that gave GB a first down on an incomplete 3rd down pass was ridiculous. The touch never changed the route, the finger tips of the defender just brushed against the Packer.

The Jennings TD doesn't look to be moving as much in slow motion but at real speed it was moving about and would usually get called incomplete. If only Prince had knocked him to the ground then it definitely would have been called incomplete.

Final drive by the Packers, the defense was terrible. I really hate when they only rush 3.

All teams are going to have games like this, where they seem to be battling the refs as much as the other team. To get to the SB those teams need to win convincingly most of their games and hope a few of the games like this one go their way. Hopefully this will spur the team into a winning streak like losing to the Pats during the 2007 season did. Bradshaw's return certainly gave the team a spark too.

 
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Giants have to settle for a moral victory after playing the Packers in a really tight game. It's a shame the refs were such a factor int his game. GB dodged a bullet there. It seemed they were calling the Giants very tight but the Packers defenders were allowed to play.

Ballard has a TD catch ruled incomplete. Viewed from the front it does look incomplete but watching the backside view it can be seen that his knee hits in bounds and kicks up a cloud of rubber turf pellets on the green turf. Even the networks expert that once reviewed plays for the NFL said it was a TD. If it was called a TD on the field it likely would have stood. Still it was surprising it wasn't changed from incomplete to TD.

Prince had a questionable PI called on him for bumping wrists with the WR, while a Packer had an obvious handful of Nicks jersey and didn't get flagged.

The incidental contact that gave GB a first down on an incomplete 3rd down pass was ridiculous. The touch never changed the route, the finger tips of the defender just brushed against the Packer.

The Jennings TD doesn't look to be moving as much in slow motion but at real speed it was moving about and would usually get called incomplete. If only Prince had knocked him to the ground then it definitely would have been called incomplete.

Final drive by the Packers, the defense was terrible. I really hate when they only rush 3.

All teams are going to have games like this, where they seem to be battling the refs as much as the other team. To get to the SB those teams need to win convincingly most of their games and hope a few of the games like this one go their way. Hopefully this will spur the team into a winning streak like losing to the Pats during the 2007 season did. Bradshaw's return certainly gave the team a spark too.
Tough game. I'm not putting the loss on the refs for the Giants could have taken it to OT at the end, but there were just a lot of difficult calls to justify. The Jennings TD and the phantom illegal contract on the Giants D on 3rd and long particularly sticks out in my mind.

For the Giants part, the bolded is what infuriates me the most. I know the Giants secondary often needs help, but I hate seeing the Giants go virtually prevent with the game on the line. :angry:

 
Agree here - that last drive could be pictured from miles away. Why not send pressure from all sorts of looks on that last drive?

 
Does the NFL apologize for Jeff Triplett and his officiating crew every Tuesday or Wednesday? I am just interested in hearing the explanation of several blown calls in this game.

 
The part that gets me scratching my head was why in the world the Giants rushed to complete a play before the two minute warning. They had the ball on about the 15 I think and plenty of time. Kept thinking that the Giants are going to give Rodgers the extra 20 seconds he needs to move the ball down the field. Ends up the didn't need that extra 20 seconds (I also abhor the 3 man rush). Giants D-line looked awefully tired rushing Rodgers at the end of the game.

 
I know I posted this already but need to vent again.

I don't want to blame the refs, the Giants lackluster, only rush 3, in the last drive was a bad call and directly cost them the game, but after sleeping on it, I am especially pissed about the phantom defensive holding call that gave the Packers a first down the drive before. All the momentum was with the Giants at the time and Giants had the Packers stopped. Terrible call that was momentum and game changing.

 

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