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If a stud starting pitcher gets $25M for 200 IP of work, a 60 IP reliever should proportionally make about $8M. I even think this is high because top tier starters are a much rarer commodity. I criticize overpaying for proven closers every off season. It's a butt covering move by an organization and manager. If the Phillies went into 2012 with someone like Bastardo and he failed, it would reflect poorly on Amaro. But if Papelbon tanks, it's his fault.I don't think it's a terrible signing by the Phillies because they can afford the annual salary, the number of years isn't too bad and their window is beginning to close.That's fine. But how many of them have the same track record as Papelbon? How many have done it as long...or as effectively? He was the best reliever on the market....and when you build a team around starting pitching, the last think you want to marginalize that with a bunch of 9th inning blown saves. it strengthens the bullpen by keeping Bastardo where he was, at times, producing some of the most productive outings in the Majors.Just to be curious...what do you think Papelbon (or Madsen or Bell) should get?'dparker713 said:Well, if you look at the saves leaders for each team, at one point in the past two seasons that could describe the following guys - Motte, Kimbral, Feliz, Axford, Storen, Farnsworth, Nunez, Marmol, League, Chris Perez, and Jordan Walden. And this isn't about spending money or not spending money. This is about spending money wisely, and history has proven that multi-year deals for relievers are a bad idea'Thunderlips said:It's funny....a lot of the internet stat geeks in baseball seem to be more satisfied that their team is doing better payroll wise than actually winning the damn games. Since when did frugality and always building for tomorrow instead of winning for today become more important to the fan than winning? Some of this #### is laughable..."I'm happy that they got the pick instead of Papelbon"..." I'd rather have the first round pick than the All-Star player"...." I like seeing my team NOT spend money this year so they can NOT spend money next year in an effort next year to put together this perfect storm of prospects and "low rent", "career year having" veterans who sign for the league minimum so we can both compete on the field AND have bragging rights about how well our front office has done".
The fact is, Amaro wants to win now. He has a window with Halladay, Lee, Utley and Howard and is looking to take advantage of that. To that, he signed the most accomplished closer on the market. Who in their right mind turns over 8 innings of quality starts to INSERT "CONTRACT VALUE" CLOSER HERE? Papbelbon (as much as I dislike that #####) puts them in a better situation to win in that window. I realize that different teams have different financial constraints...and what works in Philly might not work in KC. But....Amaro is playing the cards he was dealt. He has a big market, a hot team and he's had a good enough farm system to get Lidge,Oswalt,Pence,Halladay and Lee. To think that he's not going to throw his weight around is dumb.
ETA: And when you actually think about it....the laundry list of "top" relievers you've brought up doesn't really reinforce your argument as it shows how a player who has a proven track record in that position is gold. Sure...the Phils could have tried to catch lightning in a bottle with a no-name......but why take that chance?
They had me at "A new hope." 