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***Official 2012 Hot Stove Thread (2 Viewers)

'dparker713 said:
'Thunderlips said:
It's funny....a lot of the internet stat geeks in baseball seem to be more satisfied that their team is doing better payroll wise than actually winning the damn games. Since when did frugality and always building for tomorrow instead of winning for today become more important to the fan than winning? Some of this #### is laughable..."I'm happy that they got the pick instead of Papelbon"..." I'd rather have the first round pick than the All-Star player"...." I like seeing my team NOT spend money this year so they can NOT spend money next year in an effort next year to put together this perfect storm of prospects and "low rent", "career year having" veterans who sign for the league minimum so we can both compete on the field AND have bragging rights about how well our front office has done".

The fact is, Amaro wants to win now. He has a window with Halladay, Lee, Utley and Howard and is looking to take advantage of that. To that, he signed the most accomplished closer on the market. Who in their right mind turns over 8 innings of quality starts to INSERT "CONTRACT VALUE" CLOSER HERE? Papbelbon (as much as I dislike that #####) puts them in a better situation to win in that window. I realize that different teams have different financial constraints...and what works in Philly might not work in KC. But....Amaro is playing the cards he was dealt. He has a big market, a hot team and he's had a good enough farm system to get Lidge,Oswalt,Pence,Halladay and Lee. To think that he's not going to throw his weight around is dumb.
Well, if you look at the saves leaders for each team, at one point in the past two seasons that could describe the following guys - Motte, Kimbral, Feliz, Axford, Storen, Farnsworth, Nunez, Marmol, League, Chris Perez, and Jordan Walden. And this isn't about spending money or not spending money. This is about spending money wisely, and history has proven that multi-year deals for relievers are a bad idea
That's fine. But how many of them have the same track record as Papelbon? How many have done it as long...or as effectively? He was the best reliever on the market....and when you build a team around starting pitching, the last think you want to marginalize that with a bunch of 9th inning blown saves. it strengthens the bullpen by keeping Bastardo where he was, at times, producing some of the most productive outings in the Majors.Just to be curious...what do you think Papelbon (or Madsen or Bell) should get?

ETA: And when you actually think about it....the laundry list of "top" relievers you've brought up doesn't really reinforce your argument as it shows how a player who has a proven track record in that position is gold. Sure...the Phils could have tried to catch lightning in a bottle with a no-name......but why take that chance?
If a stud starting pitcher gets $25M for 200 IP of work, a 60 IP reliever should proportionally make about $8M. I even think this is high because top tier starters are a much rarer commodity. I criticize overpaying for proven closers every off season. It's a butt covering move by an organization and manager. If the Phillies went into 2012 with someone like Bastardo and he failed, it would reflect poorly on Amaro. But if Papelbon tanks, it's his fault.I don't think it's a terrible signing by the Phillies because they can afford the annual salary, the number of years isn't too bad and their window is beginning to close.

 
reyes to the marlins?
I read that its a done deal. Moving Hanley Ramirez to 3rd would be a mistake. They need to shop him and fill their other needs. Could get a nice haul. Lots of teams starved for SS, especially one with Ramirez' ability. Marlins can use a center fielder. If they can really add Pujols too, theyh need to deal Gaby Sanchez and Ramirez ASAP. Fill CF and 3B through trade.
 
reyes to the marlins?
I read that its a done deal. Moving Hanley Ramirez to 3rd would be a mistake. They need to shop him and fill their other needs. Could get a nice haul. Lots of teams starved for SS, especially one with Ramirez' ability. Marlins can use a center fielder. If they can really add Pujols too, theyh need to deal Gaby Sanchez and Ramirez ASAP. Fill CF and 3B through trade.
for sake of transparency im a marlins fan...reyes deal not a done deal but close according to 790. marlins aren't going to deal ramirez he is loria favorite. i wouldnt want them to deal him anyways as he is primed for a huge year. he will thrive at 3b. marlins will fill cf through cespedes, the cuban defector.
 
reyes to the marlins?
I read that its a done deal. Moving Hanley Ramirez to 3rd would be a mistake. They need to shop him and fill their other needs. Could get a nice haul. Lots of teams starved for SS, especially one with Ramirez' ability. Marlins can use a center fielder. If they can really add Pujols too, theyh need to deal Gaby Sanchez and Ramirez ASAP. Fill CF and 3B through trade.
for sake of transparency im a marlins fan...reyes deal not a done deal but close according to 790. marlins aren't going to deal ramirez he is loria favorite. i wouldnt want them to deal him anyways as he is primed for a huge year. he will thrive at 3b. marlins will fill cf through cespedes, the cuban defector.
Are you certain they are out of the Pujols sweepstakes? If they get him, no way they can afford cespedes. Trading Ramirez would be the wisest thing for the Marlins, IMO.
 
reyes to the marlins?
I read that its a done deal. Moving Hanley Ramirez to 3rd would be a mistake. They need to shop him and fill their other needs. Could get a nice haul. Lots of teams starved for SS, especially one with Ramirez' ability. Marlins can use a center fielder. If they can really add Pujols too, theyh need to deal Gaby Sanchez and Ramirez ASAP. Fill CF and 3B through trade.
for sake of transparency im a marlins fan...reyes deal not a done deal but close according to 790. marlins aren't going to deal ramirez he is loria favorite. i wouldnt want them to deal him anyways as he is primed for a huge year. he will thrive at 3b. marlins will fill cf through cespedes, the cuban defector.
Are you certain they are out of the Pujols sweepstakes? If they get him, no way they can afford cespedes. Trading Ramirez would be the wisest thing for the Marlins, IMO.
My understanding is that they've made offers to Reyes, Pujols, and Buerhle. With none of the offers being mutually exclusive. My understanding is also that adding any/all of the aforementioned does not eliminate their pursuit of Cespedes. The team is hot for Cespedes and he is hot for them. I think his addition is a lock.As of right now no one knows what they can afford. From an article I read on rotoworld even if the Marlins signed Pujols, Reyes, and Buehrle they wouldn't have the largest salary in MLB. They'd be top 5 though. With that said, as a fan, I'd much rather have a combination of Ramirez, Reyes, [Gaby] Sanchez, and Cespedes than Reyes, Pujols, and for example Grady Sizemore or Carlos Beltran. Not to mention Ramirez's value is at an all time low. Moving him to 2B makes sense. He'd be a good-great defensive 3B and the new stadium is going to be RH friendly. I just don't see it making sense to trade him.
 
'shake zula said:
'Balco said:
'shake zula said:
'Balco said:
'shadyridr said:
reyes to the marlins?
I read that its a done deal. Moving Hanley Ramirez to 3rd would be a mistake. They need to shop him and fill their other needs. Could get a nice haul. Lots of teams starved for SS, especially one with Ramirez' ability. Marlins can use a center fielder. If they can really add Pujols too, theyh need to deal Gaby Sanchez and Ramirez ASAP. Fill CF and 3B through trade.
for sake of transparency im a marlins fan...reyes deal not a done deal but close according to 790. marlins aren't going to deal ramirez he is loria favorite. i wouldnt want them to deal him anyways as he is primed for a huge year. he will thrive at 3b. marlins will fill cf through cespedes, the cuban defector.
Are you certain they are out of the Pujols sweepstakes? If they get him, no way they can afford cespedes. Trading Ramirez would be the wisest thing for the Marlins, IMO.
My understanding is that they've made offers to Reyes, Pujols, and Buerhle. With none of the offers being mutually exclusive. My understanding is also that adding any/all of the aforementioned does not eliminate their pursuit of Cespedes. The team is hot for Cespedes and he is hot for them. I think his addition is a lock.As of right now no one knows what they can afford. From an article I read on rotoworld even if the Marlins signed Pujols, Reyes, and Buehrle they wouldn't have the largest salary in MLB. They'd be top 5 though. With that said, as a fan, I'd much rather have a combination of Ramirez, Reyes, [Gaby] Sanchez, and Cespedes than Reyes, Pujols, and for example Grady Sizemore or Carlos Beltran. Not to mention Ramirez's value is at an all time low. Moving him to 2B makes sense. He'd be a good-great defensive 3B and the new stadium is going to be RH friendly. I just don't see it making sense to trade him.
Guy is like 26 and he's never played above what is effectively A ball. I wouldn't bank on him stepping right in and starting right away.
 
'shake zula said:
'Balco said:
'shake zula said:
'Balco said:
'shadyridr said:
reyes to the marlins?
I read that its a done deal. Moving Hanley Ramirez to 3rd would be a mistake. They need to shop him and fill their other needs. Could get a nice haul. Lots of teams starved for SS, especially one with Ramirez' ability. Marlins can use a center fielder. If they can really add Pujols too, theyh need to deal Gaby Sanchez and Ramirez ASAP. Fill CF and 3B through trade.
for sake of transparency im a marlins fan...reyes deal not a done deal but close according to 790. marlins aren't going to deal ramirez he is loria favorite. i wouldnt want them to deal him anyways as he is primed for a huge year. he will thrive at 3b. marlins will fill cf through cespedes, the cuban defector.
Are you certain they are out of the Pujols sweepstakes? If they get him, no way they can afford cespedes. Trading Ramirez would be the wisest thing for the Marlins, IMO.
My understanding is that they've made offers to Reyes, Pujols, and Buerhle. With none of the offers being mutually exclusive. My understanding is also that adding any/all of the aforementioned does not eliminate their pursuit of Cespedes. The team is hot for Cespedes and he is hot for them. I think his addition is a lock.As of right now no one knows what they can afford. From an article I read on rotoworld even if the Marlins signed Pujols, Reyes, and Buehrle they wouldn't have the largest salary in MLB. They'd be top 5 though. With that said, as a fan, I'd much rather have a combination of Ramirez, Reyes, [Gaby] Sanchez, and Cespedes than Reyes, Pujols, and for example Grady Sizemore or Carlos Beltran. Not to mention Ramirez's value is at an all time low. Moving him to 2B makes sense. He'd be a good-great defensive 3B and the new stadium is going to be RH friendly. I just don't see it making sense to trade him.
Guy is like 26 and he's never played above what is effectively A ball. I wouldn't bank on him stepping right in and starting right away.
He was a center fielder on the Cuban National team. Cuban National Team is definitely above A-Ball. It's a small sample size but players from the Cuban National team have come relatively ready to produce. Chapman, Hernandez (Livan and Orlando), Kendry Morales, Jose Contreras, Leonys Martín, etc. If the Marlins do get Reyes, Pujols, and Cespedes and Cespedes isn't ready I wouldn't be surprised to see Coglan get another shot in CF.
 
'shake zula said:
'Balco said:
'shake zula said:
'Balco said:
'shadyridr said:
reyes to the marlins?
I read that its a done deal. Moving Hanley Ramirez to 3rd would be a mistake. They need to shop him and fill their other needs. Could get a nice haul. Lots of teams starved for SS, especially one with Ramirez' ability. Marlins can use a center fielder. If they can really add Pujols too, theyh need to deal Gaby Sanchez and Ramirez ASAP. Fill CF and 3B through trade.
for sake of transparency im a marlins fan...reyes deal not a done deal but close according to 790. marlins aren't going to deal ramirez he is loria favorite. i wouldnt want them to deal him anyways as he is primed for a huge year. he will thrive at 3b. marlins will fill cf through cespedes, the cuban defector.
Are you certain they are out of the Pujols sweepstakes? If they get him, no way they can afford cespedes. Trading Ramirez would be the wisest thing for the Marlins, IMO.
My understanding is that they've made offers to Reyes, Pujols, and Buerhle. With none of the offers being mutually exclusive. My understanding is also that adding any/all of the aforementioned does not eliminate their pursuit of Cespedes. The team is hot for Cespedes and he is hot for them. I think his addition is a lock.As of right now no one knows what they can afford. From an article I read on rotoworld even if the Marlins signed Pujols, Reyes, and Buehrle they wouldn't have the largest salary in MLB. They'd be top 5 though. With that said, as a fan, I'd much rather have a combination of Ramirez, Reyes, [Gaby] Sanchez, and Cespedes than Reyes, Pujols, and for example Grady Sizemore or Carlos Beltran. Not to mention Ramirez's value is at an all time low. Moving him to 2B makes sense. He'd be a good-great defensive 3B and the new stadium is going to be RH friendly. I just don't see it making sense to trade him.
Guy is like 26 and he's never played above what is effectively A ball. I wouldn't bank on him stepping right in and starting right away.
He was a center fielder on the Cuban National team. Cuban National Team is definitely above A-Ball. It's a small sample size but players from the Cuban National team have come relatively ready to produce. Chapman, Hernandez (Livan and Orlando), Kendry Morales, Jose Contreras, Leonys Martín, etc. If the Marlins do get Reyes, Pujols, and Cespedes and Cespedes isn't ready I wouldn't be surprised to see Coglan get another shot in CF.
Scouts seem to see a possible 20+/20+ speed power player who is a plus defender in center or right. The question would be his hit tool. Opinion differs on how solid his swing is.
 
'shake zula said:
'Balco said:
'shake zula said:
'Balco said:
'shadyridr said:
reyes to the marlins?
I read that its a done deal. Moving Hanley Ramirez to 3rd would be a mistake. They need to shop him and fill their other needs. Could get a nice haul. Lots of teams starved for SS, especially one with Ramirez' ability. Marlins can use a center fielder. If they can really add Pujols too, theyh need to deal Gaby Sanchez and Ramirez ASAP. Fill CF and 3B through trade.
for sake of transparency im a marlins fan...reyes deal not a done deal but close according to 790. marlins aren't going to deal ramirez he is loria favorite. i wouldnt want them to deal him anyways as he is primed for a huge year. he will thrive at 3b. marlins will fill cf through cespedes, the cuban defector.
Are you certain they are out of the Pujols sweepstakes? If they get him, no way they can afford cespedes. Trading Ramirez would be the wisest thing for the Marlins, IMO.
My understanding is that they've made offers to Reyes, Pujols, and Buerhle. With none of the offers being mutually exclusive. My understanding is also that adding any/all of the aforementioned does not eliminate their pursuit of Cespedes. The team is hot for Cespedes and he is hot for them. I think his addition is a lock.As of right now no one knows what they can afford. From an article I read on rotoworld even if the Marlins signed Pujols, Reyes, and Buehrle they wouldn't have the largest salary in MLB. They'd be top 5 though. With that said, as a fan, I'd much rather have a combination of Ramirez, Reyes, [Gaby] Sanchez, and Cespedes than Reyes, Pujols, and for example Grady Sizemore or Carlos Beltran. Not to mention Ramirez's value is at an all time low. Moving him to 2B makes sense. He'd be a good-great defensive 3B and the new stadium is going to be RH friendly. I just don't see it making sense to trade him.
Guy is like 26 and he's never played above what is effectively A ball. I wouldn't bank on him stepping right in and starting right away.
He was a center fielder on the Cuban National team. Cuban National Team is definitely above A-Ball. It's a small sample size but players from the Cuban National team have come relatively ready to produce. Chapman, Hernandez (Livan and Orlando), Kendry Morales, Jose Contreras, Leonys Martín, etc. If the Marlins do get Reyes, Pujols, and Cespedes and Cespedes isn't ready I wouldn't be surprised to see Coglan get another shot in CF.
Scouts seem to see a possible 20+/20+ speed power player who is a plus defender in center or right. The question would be his hit tool. Opinion differs on how solid his swing is.
I'd rather have Cespedes than any of the other options available in CF. I throw up a little bit everytime someone mentions Pierre or Beltran.
 
He was a center fielder on the Cuban National team. Cuban National Team is definitely above A-Ball. It's a small sample size but players from the Cuban National team have come relatively ready to produce. Chapman, Hernandez (Livan and Orlando), Kendry Morales, Jose Contreras, Leonys Martín, etc. If the Marlins do get Reyes, Pujols, and Cespedes and Cespedes isn't ready I wouldn't be surprised to see Coglan get another shot in CF.
He spent most of his time playing in the Cuban league, regardless of whatever international competition he faced. As for your hitting examples, Kendrys signed at 22 and spent his first 3 years splitting time between AAA and the majors. Martin split time between AA and AAA last year and struggled greatly in AAA. Its a big jump from what he's been playing and the majors. I just wouldn't expect him to be ready until atleast 2013.
 
He was a center fielder on the Cuban National team. Cuban National Team is definitely above A-Ball. It's a small sample size but players from the Cuban National team have come relatively ready to produce. Chapman, Hernandez (Livan and Orlando), Kendry Morales, Jose Contreras, Leonys Martín, etc. If the Marlins do get Reyes, Pujols, and Cespedes and Cespedes isn't ready I wouldn't be surprised to see Coglan get another shot in CF.
He spent most of his time playing in the Cuban league, regardless of whatever international competition he faced. As for your hitting examples, Kendrys signed at 22 and spent his first 3 years splitting time between AAA and the majors. Martin split time between AA and AAA last year and struggled greatly in AAA. Its a big jump from what he's been playing and the majors. I just wouldn't expect him to be ready until atleast 2013.
Morales was in the majors by May of 2006. This is one year after his signing. Martin was called up last season after less than a year in the minors. I think it's a jump for sure but your initial statement was that he was playing in a league akin to A-Ball. Cuba's major leagues, and certainly their national team, don't play at a level of competition akin to A-ball. I do agree that he might not be major league ready by next spring but I think a mid season call up is not out of the question. Chapman made his MLB debut the August after he was signed. Less than one year. Alexie Ramirez was quick to arrive as well. I don't think he saw any minor league action.
 
ESPN Insider Buster Olney expects the Miami Marlins to sign Jose Reyes.

Money quote: "There is an expectation they will work something out with Reyes for something in the range of five years, $18-20M a year. They are seen as the team that's going to be most aggressive and he certainly fits the style that Ozzie Guillen loves to play. He loves to have a team that runs the bases aggressively, puts pressure on opposing defenses. Reyes would be a centerpiece for that with Hanley Ramirez moving to another position."

Mets fans, how do you feel about the prospect of seeing Reyes come back to Queens in a garish Miami uniform? Can a New York team ever justify losing a star player to a team from a smaller market, and what, if anything, should be done about it?

 
If the length on that contract is accurate, excellent for the Marlins. The money may be a little high, but they're paying him for the meat of his prime and then the contract expires. :thumbup:

 
He was a center fielder on the Cuban National team. Cuban National Team is definitely above A-Ball. It's a small sample size but players from the Cuban National team have come relatively ready to produce. Chapman, Hernandez (Livan and Orlando), Kendry Morales, Jose Contreras, Leonys Martín, etc. If the Marlins do get Reyes, Pujols, and Cespedes and Cespedes isn't ready I wouldn't be surprised to see Coglan get another shot in CF.
He spent most of his time playing in the Cuban league, regardless of whatever international competition he faced. As for your hitting examples, Kendrys signed at 22 and spent his first 3 years splitting time between AAA and the majors. Martin split time between AA and AAA last year and struggled greatly in AAA. Its a big jump from what he's been playing and the majors. I just wouldn't expect him to be ready until atleast 2013.
Morales was in the majors by May of 2006. This is one year after his signing. Martin was called up last season after less than a year in the minors. I think it's a jump for sure but your initial statement was that he was playing in a league akin to A-Ball. Cuba's major leagues, and certainly their national team, don't play at a level of competition akin to A-ball. I do agree that he might not be major league ready by next spring but I think a mid season call up is not out of the question. Chapman made his MLB debut the August after he was signed. Less than one year. Alexie Ramirez was quick to arrive as well. I don't think he saw any minor league action.
Kendrys wasnt up to stay in 2006. He split time that year and the next 3 years. And Chapman is both a pitcher and was made a reliever to arrive so fast. I fail to see the relevence. And what level do you presume the Cuban league plays at, with all the defections over the years?
 
He was a center fielder on the Cuban National team. Cuban National Team is definitely above A-Ball. It's a small sample size but players from the Cuban National team have come relatively ready to produce. Chapman, Hernandez (Livan and Orlando), Kendry Morales, Jose Contreras, Leonys Martín, etc. If the Marlins do get Reyes, Pujols, and Cespedes and Cespedes isn't ready I wouldn't be surprised to see Coglan get another shot in CF.
He spent most of his time playing in the Cuban league, regardless of whatever international competition he faced. As for your hitting examples, Kendrys signed at 22 and spent his first 3 years splitting time between AAA and the majors. Martin split time between AA and AAA last year and struggled greatly in AAA. Its a big jump from what he's been playing and the majors. I just wouldn't expect him to be ready until atleast 2013.
Morales was in the majors by May of 2006. This is one year after his signing. Martin was called up last season after less than a year in the minors. I think it's a jump for sure but your initial statement was that he was playing in a league akin to A-Ball. Cuba's major leagues, and certainly their national team, don't play at a level of competition akin to A-ball. I do agree that he might not be major league ready by next spring but I think a mid season call up is not out of the question. Chapman made his MLB debut the August after he was signed. Less than one year. Alexie Ramirez was quick to arrive as well. I don't think he saw any minor league action.
Kendrys wasnt up to stay in 2006. He split time that year and the next 3 years. And Chapman is both a pitcher and was made a reliever to arrive so fast. I fail to see the relevence. And what level do you presume the Cuban league plays at, with all the defections over the years?
The relevance is self evident. You said: "[Cespedes's] never played above what is effectively A ball." The root of your argument is that Cespedes will not be major league ready particularly fast. I disagreed. I think he'll be ready within a year. I think you are minimizing Cuban league baseball at both the international and national level. I think this because there are a number of Cuban defectors who have come into the league and contributed almost immediately.I think the Cuban baseball is akin to AAA.
 
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Looks like Kemp is about to get an 8-year extension from the Dodgers. My link
8 years 160. Seems about 40mill light. He must really love LA. He could blow out his achilles and get 8 years 160mill after next season.
Thats more money than Braun's getting right now and its an extension to get him to like 35. Crawford got fewer years and slightly more per year. If Kemp repeats last season, than its below market value, but I don't think he's leaving much on the table with a deal in that neighborhood now.
 
'dparker713 said:
'Daywalker said:
'RnR said:
Looks like Kemp is about to get an 8-year extension from the Dodgers. My link
8 years 160. Seems about 40mill light. He must really love LA. He could blow out his achilles and get 8 years 160mill after next season.
Thats more money than Braun's getting right now and its an extension to get him to like 35. Crawford got fewer years and slightly more per year. If Kemp repeats last season, than its below market value, but I don't think he's leaving much on the table with a deal in that neighborhood now.
If you figure he was going to make around $12M in his last arbitration year, the next seven FA years end up costing a bit over $21M each. I'd much rather have Kemp than Jayson Werth in 2014-17.It's hard to compare to Braun's deal because the duration is different, the Brewers bought more arbitration years and a chunk of Braun's money is deferred.

 
'dparker713 said:
'Daywalker said:
'RnR said:
Looks like Kemp is about to get an 8-year extension from the Dodgers. My link
8 years 160. Seems about 40mill light. He must really love LA. He could blow out his achilles and get 8 years 160mill after next season.
Thats more money than Braun's getting right now and its an extension to get him to like 35. Crawford got fewer years and slightly more per year. If Kemp repeats last season, than its below market value, but I don't think he's leaving much on the table with a deal in that neighborhood now.
Fills a up the middle position and he can run. If he was a FA 25/mill per is the basement. Crawford not in his class. If he has a good year next season he'll easilly get 20mill/yer. If he has another great season then 25-28per is very likely. IMO the money he's leaving on the table is much greater then the potential money he could lose by a subpar season.

Wouldn't be surprised if the deal was more like 22mill/per. Which the Dodgers should be thrilled about.

 
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'dparker713 said:
'Daywalker said:
'RnR said:
Looks like Kemp is about to get an 8-year extension from the Dodgers. My link
8 years 160. Seems about 40mill light. He must really love LA. He could blow out his achilles and get 8 years 160mill after next season.
Thats more money than Braun's getting right now and its an extension to get him to like 35. Crawford got fewer years and slightly more per year. If Kemp repeats last season, than its below market value, but I don't think he's leaving much on the table with a deal in that neighborhood now.
Fills a up the middle position and he can run. If he was a FA 25/mill per is the basement. Crawford not in his class. If he has a good year next season he'll easilly get 20mill/yer. If he has another great season then 25-28per is very likely. IMO the money he's leaving on the table is much greater then the potential money he could lose by a subpar season.

Wouldn't be surprised if the deal was more like 22mill/per. Which the Dodgers should be thrilled about.
Isn't the list of players that have gotten more than 25 mil/yr average value ARod and Clemens? ARod's deal is insanity and Clemens was a 1 year partial season contract. So far, there's no indication even Pujols can get into that neighborhood.Just puts into light the stupidity of the Howard extension right at 25 mil/yr.

Maybe prices rise significantly when this FA class signs, but I don't think thats likely.

 
'dparker713 said:
'Daywalker said:
'RnR said:
Looks like Kemp is about to get an 8-year extension from the Dodgers. My link
8 years 160. Seems about 40mill light. He must really love LA. He could blow out his achilles and get 8 years 160mill after next season.
Thats more money than Braun's getting right now and its an extension to get him to like 35. Crawford got fewer years and slightly more per year. If Kemp repeats last season, than its below market value, but I don't think he's leaving much on the table with a deal in that neighborhood now.
Fills a up the middle position and he can run. If he was a FA 25/mill per is the basement. Crawford not in his class. If he has a good year next season he'll easilly get 20mill/yer. If he has another great season then 25-28per is very likely. IMO the money he's leaving on the table is much greater then the potential money he could lose by a subpar season.

Wouldn't be surprised if the deal was more like 22mill/per. Which the Dodgers should be thrilled about.
Isn't the list of players that have gotten more than 25 mil/yr average value ARod and Clemens? ARod's deal is insanity and Clemens was a 1 year partial season contract. So far, there's no indication even Pujols can get into that neighborhood.Just puts into light the stupidity of the Howard extension right at 25 mil/yr.

Maybe prices rise significantly when this FA class signs, but I don't think thats likely.
I actually agree with you on this one. Just because ARod signed bloated contracts doesn't mean anyone deserves that kind of money. The Howard contract was an "ooof" the minute the ink dried. Elite players are looking at 18-22 mil per year, and maybe a once in a generation contract will give a guy significantly more than that.
 
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'dparker713 said:
'Daywalker said:
'RnR said:
Looks like Kemp is about to get an 8-year extension from the Dodgers. My link
8 years 160. Seems about 40mill light. He must really love LA. He could blow out his achilles and get 8 years 160mill after next season.
Thats more money than Braun's getting right now and its an extension to get him to like 35. Crawford got fewer years and slightly more per year. If Kemp repeats last season, than its below market value, but I don't think he's leaving much on the table with a deal in that neighborhood now.
Fills a up the middle position and he can run. If he was a FA 25/mill per is the basement. Crawford not in his class. If he has a good year next season he'll easilly get 20mill/yer. If he has another great season then 25-28per is very likely. IMO the money he's leaving on the table is much greater then the potential money he could lose by a subpar season.

Wouldn't be surprised if the deal was more like 22mill/per. Which the Dodgers should be thrilled about.
Isn't the list of players that have gotten more than 25 mil/yr average value ARod and Clemens? ARod's deal is insanity and Clemens was a 1 year partial season contract. So far, there's no indication even Pujols can get into that neighborhood.Just puts into light the stupidity of the Howard extension right at 25 mil/yr.

Maybe prices rise significantly when this FA class signs, but I don't think thats likely.
Did CC top 25mill per now? Pujols will for sure no. Fielder likely as well. Kemp may be more attractive then either of them. Plus an abunance of guys getting low's 20's should push someone like Kemp to 25+ easily IMO.
 
'dparker713 said:
'Daywalker said:
'RnR said:
Looks like Kemp is about to get an 8-year extension from the Dodgers. My link
8 years 160. Seems about 40mill light. He must really love LA. He could blow out his achilles and get 8 years 160mill after next season.
Thats more money than Braun's getting right now and its an extension to get him to like 35. Crawford got fewer years and slightly more per year. If Kemp repeats last season, than its below market value, but I don't think he's leaving much on the table with a deal in that neighborhood now.
Fills a up the middle position and he can run. If he was a FA 25/mill per is the basement. Crawford not in his class. If he has a good year next season he'll easilly get 20mill/yer. If he has another great season then 25-28per is very likely. IMO the money he's leaving on the table is much greater then the potential money he could lose by a subpar season.

Wouldn't be surprised if the deal was more like 22mill/per. Which the Dodgers should be thrilled about.
Isn't the list of players that have gotten more than 25 mil/yr average value ARod and Clemens? ARod's deal is insanity and Clemens was a 1 year partial season contract. So far, there's no indication even Pujols can get into that neighborhood.Just puts into light the stupidity of the Howard extension right at 25 mil/yr.

Maybe prices rise significantly when this FA class signs, but I don't think thats likely.
Did CC top 25mill per now? Pujols will for sure no. Fielder likely as well. Kemp may be more attractive then either of them. Plus an abunance of guys getting low's 20's should push someone like Kemp to 25+ easily IMO.
Sabathia is at $23M through 2015. It then goes up to $25M for 2016 and his vesting 2017 season.Pujols is only guy this year who'll challenge the $25M threshold. I don't think the market is there for Fielder to get more than $20-22M.

 
'dparker713 said:
'Daywalker said:
'RnR said:
Looks like Kemp is about to get an 8-year extension from the Dodgers. My link
8 years 160. Seems about 40mill light. He must really love LA. He could blow out his achilles and get 8 years 160mill after next season.
Thats more money than Braun's getting right now and its an extension to get him to like 35. Crawford got fewer years and slightly more per year. If Kemp repeats last season, than its below market value, but I don't think he's leaving much on the table with a deal in that neighborhood now.
Fills a up the middle position and he can run. If he was a FA 25/mill per is the basement. Crawford not in his class. If he has a good year next season he'll easilly get 20mill/yer. If he has another great season then 25-28per is very likely. IMO the money he's leaving on the table is much greater then the potential money he could lose by a subpar season.

Wouldn't be surprised if the deal was more like 22mill/per. Which the Dodgers should be thrilled about.
Isn't the list of players that have gotten more than 25 mil/yr average value ARod and Clemens? ARod's deal is insanity and Clemens was a 1 year partial season contract. So far, there's no indication even Pujols can get into that neighborhood.Just puts into light the stupidity of the Howard extension right at 25 mil/yr.

Maybe prices rise significantly when this FA class signs, but I don't think thats likely.
Did CC top 25mill per now? Pujols will for sure no. Fielder likely as well. Kemp may be more attractive then either of them. Plus an abunance of guys getting low's 20's should push someone like Kemp to 25+ easily IMO.
CC got 1 extra year at 25 mil added to his 4/92 remaining, with a vesting option for an additional year at 25 mil. So his deal is either 5/117 or 6/142.Reports are the Cardinals offer to Pujols was 9/210 and that the Cardinals aren't going to increase their offer unless they have to.

And while Kemp is a great talent, you can't just discard his 2010 season - it happened. That alone is reason enough to keep his value below the richest deals of all time.

 
The Dodgers have agreed to a two-year deal with Mark Ellis for $8.75 million. The deal was first reported by ESPN’s Buster Olney.Ellis turns 35 next season, hit .248 in 2011, and although a solid glove at second, cannot play shortstop.As opposed to Jamey Carroll, who will be 38, but can play all over the field and recently left the Dodgers to sign with the Twins for two years for approximately $7 million. And hit .290.The addition of Ellis -- who started last season with the A’s before being traded in June to the Rockies -- leaves the Dodgers a set infield of James Loney at first, Ellis at second, Juan Uribe at third and Dee Gordon at shortstop. At least until the Dodgers announce they have signed Albert Pujols.Ellis has been in decline the past two years, but still offers more RBI production than the light-hitting Carroll. Ellis had 41 combined RBI last season, which would have been a career-high for Carroll, who had only 17 for the Dodgers. Ellis has mostly hit second in the lineup.The Dodgers will still need a utility player who can play shortstop, which could spell the end of Aaron Miles but prove a boon to the hopes of versatile infielder Justin Sellers.Of course, somebody had to play second base for the Dodgers, and the pool of available players was less than thrilling. And it only got worse when Aaron Hill decided to re-up with the Diamondbacks for two years at $11 million.The market is what it is, which is head-scratching time, though it looks just lovely to aging infielders.
A Loney/Ellis/Uribe/Gordon infield is as bad as Kemp and Kershaw are good.
 
'Tackling Dummies said:
reyes reportedly offered 6/90mm from the Marlins
Considering that a much inferior Jeter is getting 17M for 3, that is great deal for Miami.
Jeter only getting 17 because he's a Yankee. He'd be lucky to get 10 anywhere else.
Yep. Reyes is probably a rich man's Jimmy Rollins. Tulo extended through 2020 (around 22M), H Ramirez is on a 6/70M deal signed in 08, so 6/90 is top shelf $ for a SS with a history of leg injuries.
 
WTF are the Twins thinking here?

Twins signed SS Jamey Carroll to a two-year, $6.75 million contract.The signing was made official when he passed a physical Tuesday in Minneapolis. Carroll, who turns 38 in February, is expected to take over as the Twins' starting shortstop next season. He has batted .290 with a .368 on-base percentage over the past two years with Los Angeles and is a solid defender, so the Twins are hoping he'll be able to provide some short-term stability to an uncertain middle infield situation.
 
WTF are the Twins thinking here?

Twins signed SS Jamey Carroll to a two-year, $6.75 million contract.The signing was made official when he passed a physical Tuesday in Minneapolis. Carroll, who turns 38 in February, is expected to take over as the Twins' starting shortstop next season. He has batted .290 with a .368 on-base percentage over the past two years with Los Angeles and is a solid defender, so the Twins are hoping he'll be able to provide some short-term stability to an uncertain middle infield situation.
I'm glad the Twins got to him before Brian Sabean did
 

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