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***OFFICIAL*** 2013 MINNESOTA VIKINGS SEASON THREAD (1 Viewer)

Bobby Guano said:
griff321 said:
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Beo said:
Maelstrom said:
Beo said:
Gutless performance! Two days after your star player's son is murdered and this is the effort you give to him? If I were him I would immediately ask for a trade because from the coaching staff down to the waterboys this was absolutely embarrassing!
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That's really insensitive. Maybe he had other things on his mind and couldn't really concentrate on the game? Just a really dumb comment.
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Im talking about his teammates. Reread
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Sorry, but still, thats really shouldn't have anything to do with the game. In fact, all the distractions probably affected everyone negatively. Sad situation, but not the kind of thing you try to turn into a rallying cry IMO.
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I've heard this storyline all week and it has to be the dumbest thing ever. Why does the media always have to attach a storyline to every single thing. I'm sure everyone was telling themselves, "oh we were going to get sacks, cover receivers, tackle, or catch the freeking ball! buuuut the tragic situation our friend and teammate is going through just was too heavy on my mind." The reverse is equally ridiculous.

How about take a look at the simplest narrative? They suck. Our front four is slightly better than average and everything behind that outside of Harrison Smith is garbage. They may actually play a little better if the offense could actually sustain a drive.

Then everyone is attacking coaching, but defending Spielman. Look at the talent Spielman put on the field. Frasier and Musgrave aren't exactly winning chess matches, but you'd be insane to actually think that we had much of a chance to do anything with a team devoid of talent or real competition. The entire front office and coaching staff needs to go along with a big number of players.
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There are tons of examples of talented teams being terrible and then suddenly turning it around once a decent coaching staff arrived.

49er's and the Chief's right off the top of my head.
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That's certainly a good point, but the team spielman put out there obviously had major problems before this team even started training camp.

It was Spielman that started the season with Ponder, Cassel, and Bethel-Thompson at QB. Why was he so afraid to have any real competition? It was Spielman that handled Winfield so poorly that he bolted. Winfield would be our best CB right now, and we sure could use his sure tackling ability all year. What about our linebackers, do you actually think they're a talented bunch?

Spielman has to go.

 
griff321 said:
How about take a look at the simplest narrative? They suck. Our front four is slightly better than average and everything behind that outside of Harrison Smith is garbage. They may actually play a little better if the offense could actually sustain a drive.

Then everyone is attacking coaching, but defending Spielman. Look at the talent Spielman put on the field. Frasier and Musgrave aren't exactly winning chess matches, but you'd be insane to actually think that we had much of a chance to do anything with a team devoid of talent or real competition. The entire front office and coaching staff needs to go along with a big number of players.
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I could be wrong, but I don't think it's anywhere near that dire. Fact is this team played toe to toe with Detroit and Chicago... two solid teams. The front office has helped DL with Floyd and the DB has some pieces to build off of with Harrison Smith and Rhodes. WR is looking up with Jennings/Patterson/Simpson. Rudolph is great, Blair Walsh is great. Greenway is alright. It was a risk heading into the season that certain front office decisions would come home to roost, notably LB/Winfield/Ponder. To a lesser extent they've failed to improve OL (who couldn't pass protect even when AP was running wild last season) and signing Carlson to an obscenely bad contract. I'm optimistic though that Freeman can show something with a change in scenery, allowing them to solve some of those needs in the draft/FA.

I'm not convinced the coaching staff uses innovative/successful schemes, or are able to teach and get players to buy into what they are peddling. Other teams seem able to fill in spare parts around a core of talented players. Our players seem disorganized and confused. And as far as player utilization, the staff is a head scratcher not involving key additions like Patterson/Rhodes to a greater extent. Development of midround draftees is nonexistent. There's a certain predictability in how this staff approaches gameday planning and player utilization, some might call it a rut.

 
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To me it's all on coaching right now. Outside of QB, we have one of the most talented offensive groups in the league. Sure the QB is the most important piece, but even with average QB play we should be able to score effectively. We only lost 2 starters on defense from last year. One, Brinkley, was not very effective anyway. The other, Winfield, probably would've been effective but was asking for more in salary than the team thought he was worth. Neither departure should've caused this much decline in our defense. Especially when we added Rhodes(who is clearly very talented) and Bishop/Mauti to take over those spots.

The problem is that the coaches would much rather play an untalented hack at CB over the rookie because he has more knowledge of the schemes. They would also rather play our weakest LB at MLB just because he knows the calls. It makes zero sense and was a failure of the coaching staff from the very beginning. Also, how do you come back from a bye week without any more play calls devoted to your uber-talented rookie WR. I can understand not having him involved more if he's having trouble with the play book, but when you have 2 weeks to prepare for a team, you'd better spend part of that 2 weeks finding a way to get Patterson involved beyond the regular dump off screen pass.

 
Every time I see this thread bumped, I click on it in the hopes I'll see the news that the entire Vikings coaching staff was given a pink slip. Oh well, maybe tomorrow.

 
encaitar said:
To me it's all on coaching right now. Outside of QB, we have one of the most talented offensive groups in the league. Sure the QB is the most important piece, but even with average QB play we should be able to score effectively. We only lost 2 starters on defense from last year. One, Brinkley, was not very effective anyway. The other, Winfield, probably would've been effective but was asking for more in salary than the team thought he was worth. Neither departure should've caused this much decline in our defense. Especially when we added Rhodes(who is clearly very talented) and Bishop/Mauti to take over those spots.

The problem is that the coaches would much rather play an untalented hack at CB over the rookie because he has more knowledge of the schemes. They would also rather play our weakest LB at MLB just because he knows the calls. It makes zero sense and was a failure of the coaching staff from the very beginning. Also, how do you come back from a bye week without any more play calls devoted to your uber-talented rookie WR. I can understand not having him involved more if he's having trouble with the play book, but when you have 2 weeks to prepare for a team, you'd better spend part of that 2 weeks finding a way to get Patterson involved beyond the regular dump off screen pass.
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Musgrave can only comprehend so much.. One look at his Play sheet ( used by many sites/shows as a :lol: ) should have told you all you need to know.. He is WAY over his head.

 
The biggest problem, besides coaching, is that they can't sustain long drives. They're putting up a decent amount of points. Even after last game they're averaging 25 PTS/G. But they're 31st in time of possession per game (26:14). It's either a 3 and out or they get one big play to put them in scoring position.

It's kind of hard to play well on defense when they don't get any time to rest.

 
Freeman gets starting nod for Vikings

Josh Freeman was named the Vikings starting quarterback for Monday night's game against the New York Giants.

Coach Leslie Frazier made the announcement at noon following the Vikings' morning practice, where Freeman took reps with the first-team offense for the first time.

Freeman was expected to meet with the media this afternoon.

Christian Ponder spoke to reporters coming off the field, and said his future in Minnesota was "uncertain." Ponder will be the backup on Monday. Matt Cassel, who took over when Ponder was sidelined because of a broken rib for Game 4 of the season, will be the third stringer.

Frazier said Freeman has spent a lot of time digesting the team's offense since he was picked up 10 days ago. Freeman was released by Tampa Bay, and chose the Vikings, presuming it would give him the best opportunity to start right away.

Adrian Peterson missed the practice for personal reasons. His 2-year-old son died last Friday in Sioux Falls, S.D.
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Normally I go into a game thinking they should win or they should lose.. This week.... No flippin idea.. :confused:

1-10 combined record.. Neither team has a Defense.. even with our crappy D, it's Eli who is good for 2 turnovers alone.. Freeman get's his first chance to prove Tampa wrong.. ADP has a chip on his shoulder after last weeks disaster.. Giants don't want to go to 0-7, especially on National TV..

Thinking something along the lines of 38-30.. No idea who has the 38 though..

Then again, with these bad defenses, that could be the score at half time.. :lol:

 
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Normally I go into a game thinking they should win or they should lose.. This week.... No flippin idea.. :confused:

1-10 combined record.. Neither team has a Defense.. even with our crappy D, it's Eli who is good for 2 turnovers alone.. Freeman get's his first chance to prove Tampa wrong.. ADP has a chip on his shoulder after last weeks disaster.. Giants don't want to go to 0-7, especially on National TV..

Thinking something along the lines of 38-30.. No idea who has the 38 though..

Then again, with these bad defenses, that could be the score at half time.. :lol:
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I for one would be shocked if the purple won this game. The Giants just are not as bad as they seem.. are they? They're at home, on nat'l tv (where the vikes have been dismal for the last few years)and absolutely desperate. Oh yeah, they also have a great QB long overdue for a good game and a very solid stable of receivers going against the most inept secondary the NFL has seen since the 2011 version of the same secondary. And frankly, as a lifelong viking fan+, I'm at the point where I actually hope they lose. I've been a defender of this coaching staff all along up until last week. Now I'm done. And the best way to facilitate this staff's exit is to lose a bunch more games and get in the hunt for a top 3-5 pick. Hopefully Freeman is the answer to 30 years worth of praying for a franchise guy.Also, just as an aside, I really ####### despise Packer and Colt fans for their fortune. I'm a bitter jealous old curmudgeon. This is what the Vikings hath wrought on their fanbase.

 
Herb said:
snogger said:
Normally I go into a game thinking they should win or they should lose.. This week.... No flippin idea.. :confused:

1-10 combined record.. Neither team has a Defense.. even with our crappy D, it's Eli who is good for 2 turnovers alone.. Freeman get's his first chance to prove Tampa wrong.. ADP has a chip on his shoulder after last weeks disaster.. Giants don't want to go to 0-7, especially on National TV..

Thinking something along the lines of 38-30.. No idea who has the 38 though..

Then again, with these bad defenses, that could be the score at half time.. :lol:
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I for one would be shocked if the purple won this game. The Giants just are not as bad as they seem.. are they? They're at home, on nat'l tv (where the vikes have been dismal for the last few years)and absolutely desperate. Oh yeah, they also have a great QB long overdue for a good game and a very solid stable of receivers going against the most inept secondary the NFL has seen since the 2011 version of the same secondary. And frankly, as a lifelong viking fan+, I'm at the point where I actually hope they lose. I've been a defender of this coaching staff all along up until last week. Now I'm done. And the best way to facilitate this staff's exit is to lose a bunch more games and get in the hunt for a top 3-5 pick. Hopefully Freeman is the answer to 30 years worth of praying for a franchise guy.Also, just as an aside, I really ####### despise Packer and Colt fans for their fortune. I'm a bitter jealous old curmudgeon. This is what the Vikings hath wrought on their fanbase.
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I hear you on the game. Then again after Manning had his way against Dallas thought the Eagles would light it up at home. :shrug:
 
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This should never have happened. Freeman was completely unprepared to be out there. Even given how terrible the coaching has been this year, it's shocking how badly they misjudged this. It should lead to a few immediate fires.

 
We ran the ball 10 times last week. We ran it 13 times tonight. Those numbers won't win you any games when you have Adrian Peterson at RB. That, and the horrible regression by our oline, are the biggest reasons that Leslie, Musgrave et al shouldn't even be given plane tickets back to MN tonight.

 
What happened to our O line?? We need to bench Johnson and Fusco asap. Freeman was horrible with his inaccurate throws but he was being hit constantly. Our line was never great at pass blocking but their run blocking was suppose to be one of the best. How can so much change in a few months??? This is such an embarrassment. Last years playoff game was bad, but today was something else. I mean, the garbage Giants defense and we put up zero offensive points, all we could muster was one special team touchdown....

I just cannot believe this is the same offensive line with the same exact starters from last year. This year is definitely worst than 2011.

 
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Freeman is delusional. He keeps saying that his thows were just a "hair off" in his post game interview.
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In his defense, he did get hit 50 times. He probably doesn't even know what he's saying.

Bottom line, Freeman shouldn't have been out there. After he signed, the #1 goal should have been putting him out there totally prepared, to see what he has to offer. No harm could come from throwing Cassell out there for at least one of the 3 prime time games. In fact, the front office could have gotten a lot of media cover if Cassell flopped. What we saw tonight was pure folly by either the front office or the coaching staff. I can't even judge what I saw tonight.

 
After watching the Vikings vs. the Panthers, I knew it really would not matter who they were starting at QB. The whole QB contraversy was equivalent of doing a dance on the deck of the Titanic.

Nothing is going to change until they get some competent people on the sideline.

 
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BigJim® said:
Donnybrook said:
Freeman is delusional. He keeps saying that his thows were just a "hair off" in his post game interview.
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In his defense, he did get hit 50 times. He probably doesn't even know what he's saying.

Bottom line, Freeman shouldn't have been out there. After he signed, the #1 goal should have been putting him out there totally prepared, to see what he has to offer. No harm could come from throwing Cassell out there for at least one of the 3 prime time games. In fact, the front office could have gotten a lot of media cover if Cassell flopped. What we saw tonight was pure folly by either the front office or the coaching staff. I can't even judge what I saw tonight.
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:goodposting: I was one of the "What the hell, got nothing to lose" people earlier in the week. But that was before I saw how unready Freeman was..

They've really screwed themselves now. If they had played Cassell and he sucked again then next week they bring in Freeman. Now you can't return to Cassell or Ponder or you look like complete idiots.. wait, scratch that, they already do..

Not sure what happened since London.. Granted they didn't play great there, but at least they seemed interested in playing.. Since then two complete duds. The team has given up and has no trust in coaching staff any more.

A Smart GM would be calling teams before halftime of this game looking for interest in Jared Allen.

We have so many holes, be it the coaching staff, DL, LB's, CB', Safeties, QB, WR's, and OL that you have to get what you can in draft picks for next year.

Not sure what else Wilf needs to see to understand Frasier and this coaching staff are in over their heads.

Unfortunately, I don't think you can replace the entire staff during the season.. Tough to hire a new coach and for him to hire the staff he would need to run this.

So if they fire Fraiser, we'd be stuck with one of the other :yucky: coaches on this staff for the rest of the year.

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Tough to be excited about the prospects of drafting that high when every part of the team looks like it needs to be rebuilt. Bridgewater would have a David Carr-like rookie season behind this line.

 
Donnybrook said:
Freeman is delusional. He keeps saying that his thows were just a "hair off" in his post game interview.
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lol,

I didn't stay up to see the post game presser. All morning long the running joke on the local sports talk is "juuuuuuuuust a hair off"

Now I get the inside joke.

 
BigJim® said:
Donnybrook said:
Freeman is delusional. He keeps saying that his thows were just a "hair off" in his post game interview.
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In his defense, he did get hit 50 times. He probably doesn't even know what he's saying.

Bottom line, Freeman shouldn't have been out there. After he signed, the #1 goal should have been putting him out there totally prepared, to see what he has to offer. No harm could come from throwing Cassell out there for at least one of the 3 prime time games. In fact, the front office could have gotten a lot of media cover if Cassell flopped. What we saw tonight was pure folly by either the front office or the coaching staff. I can't even judge what I saw tonight.
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Anything would have been better than that.

That's the kind of coaching performance that gets coaches fired, or should. That was unacceptable. They could have run Peterson and Gerhart 50 times instead of throwing it 50 times.

If Vikes fans have to sit through even a half of that again at home I'd imagine there are going to be mass walkouts at halftime and calls for someone to get canned.

 
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So wtf are they going to do on Thursday night? Start Freeman again? Ponder?

This is an absolute train-wreck.

 
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mr roboto said:
So wtf are they going to do on Thursday night? Start Freeman again? Ponder?

This is an absolute train-wreck.
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A smart Coach figures out that switching QB's each week is a :tfp: so they'd stick with Freeman...

After Fraizer's comment of "We considered putting Ponder in the game in the 2nd half" tells me Ponder will probably play next week at some point.

 
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So wtf are they going to do on Thursday night? Start Freeman again? Ponder?

This is an absolute train-wreck.
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Answer: They are going to get absolutely stomped by the Packers in yet another nationally televised game. If GB calls off the dogs like in the playoff game, maybe the Vikes will lose by less then 4 tds.My question: How in the righteous hell did this team win 10 games last year? I know they were really healthy and had a lot of things go their way, but that is starting to look like the flukiest year in team history. I am at an absolute loss.

 
Highlight of the night was that Allen sack where he reached around/through the tackle stopping Eli in his tracks...I've never seen anything like it.

The oddest thing last night for me is that the Vikings D looked fired up and ready to go...they were was gang tackling and really hitting people hard....unfortunately, most of those tackles were happening 8 or 9 yards down field by the DBs.

Marvin Mitchel had some eye opening plays.

I stopped watching a few minutes into the 4th...unbelievable how far off Freeman's deep throws were and judging by his reaction it looked like he couldn't either. I've got no faith in this coaching staff to prepare a gameplan or put players in a position to succeed.

 
Also lost a lot of respect for Jon Gruden last night...don't know how many times I found myself shaking my head with a WTF?!?! loop on my face after he said something about the Vikings.

 
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Also lost a lot of respect for Jon Gruden last night...don't know how many times I found myself shaking my head with a WTF?!?! loop on my face after he said something about the Vikings.
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Don't shoot the messenger. Tirico was piling on as well. That was the most horrible NFL game I've seen in ages. So bad in fact I turned it off despite not knowing if I could win or lose my fantasy week on any last minute Victor Cruz production. It was unwatchable. I felt sorry for both Tirico and Gruden having to actually call that game as if it were NFL quality. That was a dumpster fire. They were clock watching in the third quarter already. Don't be so sensitive. Call a spade a spade.

 
Gruden was ruthless from the start. Tirico didn't really join in until the second half. Both were legitimately pissed to be there at that point. I agreed with a lot of what they said but honestly when announcers start openly attacking both teams it just makes it all the more difficult to watch.

 
What was Gruden and Tirico supposed to do? Put makeup on a pig? They weren't going to fool anyone watching the game into seeing something other than terrible coaching and worse execution. I actually wish they would've been more brutal in their attacks. You could hear in Gruden voice that he had no idea how Minnesota's coaches, especially Musgrave, had jobs in the NFL. Yet he didn't come right out and say they should be fired. It was a terrible game and pretending that it was anything other than a terrible game would've been disingenuous.

 
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What was Gruden and Tirico supposed to do? Put makeup on a pig? They weren't going to fool anyone watching the game into seeing something other than terrible coaching and worse execution. I actually wish they would've been more brutal in their attacks. You could hear in Gruden voice that he had no idea how Minnesota's coaches, especially Musgrave, had jobs in the NFL. Yet he didn't come right out and say they should be fired. It was a terrible game and pretending that it was anything other than a terrible game would've been disingenuous.
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:goodposting:

It was well deserved, possibly the worst game I've ever seen as a Viking fan.

 
encaitar said:
What was Gruden and Tirico supposed to do? Put makeup on a pig? They weren't going to fool anyone watching the game into seeing something other than terrible coaching and worse execution. I actually wish they would've been more brutal in their attacks. You could hear in Gruden voice that he had no idea how Minnesota's coaches, especially Musgrave, had jobs in the NFL. Yet he didn't come right out and say they should be fired. It was a terrible game and pretending that it was anything other than a terrible game would've been disingenuous.
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They weren't wrong. It just made the game even harder to watch.

 
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encaitar said:
What was Gruden and Tirico supposed to do? Put makeup on a pig? They weren't going to fool anyone watching the game into seeing something other than terrible coaching and worse execution. I actually wish they would've been more brutal in their attacks. You could hear in Gruden voice that he had no idea how Minnesota's coaches, especially Musgrave, had jobs in the NFL. Yet he didn't come right out and say they should be fired. It was a terrible game and pretending that it was anything other than a terrible game would've been disingenuous.
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:goodposting:

It was well deserved, possibly the worst game I've ever seen as a Viking fan.
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I didn't get that impression at all???

I don't have ESPN, so I don't get a chance to watch much MNF...but to me it seemed like Gruden (more-so than Turico) didn't know a thing about the Vikings and was completely unprepared for this game. He was way too supportive and complimentary of the Vikings coaching staff and Ponder IMO . Perhaps he was just trying to fill space in a terrible game and didn't want to rip them though...

 
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