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****Official 2014 Chicago Bears Thread **** (1 Viewer)

Interesting to note that the defense has actually gotten better than last year but they set a franchise record for most points allowed in a half by a Bears defense. The problem here is the same thing I have been saying for years - they solve a problem they open up 2 to 3 more gaps. They simply cannot evaluate talent. All this no GM hits on every pick is just drinking the kool aide. The record speaks for itself. The broken records of a franchise that was built on defense is alarming. This GM is brutal. I will take the flip side and state that every now and then a guppy GM will hit pay dirt but then again these impact players - Fuller, Long and Jeffrey are no brainers. They had high value going in and frankly the OL has taken a step back this year. It all adds up to another year of failure.

 
Power Monster said:
Interesting to note that the defense has actually gotten better than last year but they set a franchise record for most points allowed in a half by a Bears defense. The problem here is the same thing I have been saying for years - they solve a problem they open up 2 to 3 more gaps. They simply cannot evaluate talent. All this no GM hits on every pick is just drinking the kool aide. The record speaks for itself. The broken records of a franchise that was built on defense is alarming. This GM is brutal. I will take the flip side and state that every now and then a guppy GM will hit pay dirt but then again these impact players - Fuller, Long and Jeffrey are no brainers. They had high value going in and frankly the OL has taken a step back this year. It all adds up to another year of failure.
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Technically, the O gave up 7.

 
Sweetness_34 said:
flapgreen said:
Houston having MRI tomorrow. Feared season ending injury. Did nothing all year. Injures himself celebrating a meaningless sack against the backup. Sums up the entire team.
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This D is significantly better at stopping the run this year compared to last year. You can compare any #s or look at any game film and figure that out. I know you are blind when it comes to facts but Lamar had a lot to do with that. He is a very good run stopper who has managed to get some sacks too (he had 6 last year). Just because it is not sacks does not mean he "did nothing" all year. He has also had QB hurries and hits in the passing game. Again, something you have no clue about because you are one of the meat head fans.
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This guy :lmao:
 
Power Monster said:
Interesting to note that the defense has actually gotten better than last year but they set a franchise record for most points allowed in a half by a Bears defense. The problem here is the same thing I have been saying for years - they solve a problem they open up 2 to 3 more gaps. They simply cannot evaluate talent. All this no GM hits on every pick is just drinking the kool aide. The record speaks for itself. The broken records of a franchise that was built on defense is alarming. This GM is brutal. I will take the flip side and state that every now and then a guppy GM will hit pay dirt but then again these impact players - Fuller, Long and Jeffrey are no brainers. They had high value going in and frankly the OL has taken a step back this year. It all adds up to another year of failure.
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One of the many
 
RBM said:
Try watching a game Sweetness. This isn't about numbers guy, it's about making smart decisions and putting your playmakers in position to make plays. Cutler sucks at all of it. And he comes up smallest in big spots.

You're making an ### of yourself defending him right now. But you've been doing that in Bear threads for years so it's nothing new.
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Worst Bears poster ever. That's hard to manage when going up against Benson.
 
Kills me seeing Arians doing so well. The Bears had him right there and let him walk away. The decision was so easy. Instead, we get Tucker and O' Canada.

 
Bears D has allowed 45pts or more in 3 of last 18 games. Prior to Sunday, the Bears had allowed more than 45pts in 3 of their last 222 games. There's a stat for you.

 
flapgreen said:
RBM said:
Try watching a game Sweetness. This isn't about numbers guy, it's about making smart decisions and putting your playmakers in position to make plays. Cutler sucks at all of it. And he comes up smallest in big spots.

You're making an ### of yourself defending him right now. But you've been doing that in Bear threads for years so it's nothing new.
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Worst Bears poster ever. That's hard to manage when going up against me and Benson.
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:mellow:

 
Cutler is never going to be a guy that carries a team but when you see trash like Geno Stinks playing QB in the NFL, you hold onto a guy like Cutler because it can be a whole lot worse.

 
Thank god for the Blackhawks and Bulls. I will no longer watch the Bears. What a heartless ##### team. We are watching the birth of a losing culture and it is due to the soft coaches that started with the crap around Marty's punishment in practice for his fire.

Reward softness and punish fire.... who's driving this clown car.

Kyle Long - Get off twitter and be a leader.

All you other goof balls that live on twitter. I don't give a crap about your great wardrobe and what shoes you should wear. Go in scrubs and work you bunch of %$##.

I've had it. I'm out. I'm sure there are a few that are happy with me checking out. To them, I hope your team breaks your hearts as they inevitably will because they don't have the talent to win.

Adios. The NFL sucks.

 
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It frustrates me when you look at the fact that Cutler has arguably the best group of skill position players in the league. For a long time we kept saying that the front office needed to get Cutler some weapons. So he has perhaps the best group of weapons in the league around him and a very creative offensive-minded coach, yet the results aren't that much different than they were.

Can you imagine what Brady, or Brees, or Rodgers would do with these guys? I'd love to see what Rivers or Wilson could do with these guys. What I am saying is that I would love to see the Bears with a competent QB.

 
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There isn't a qb in the league that could've won that game for the Bears. Fumbled when down 31-7 and threw a hail mary pick. Not saying Cutler is even playing decent, but it wouldn't matter if was. This team is bad. There are far worse problems on the Bears than the qb. We're locked into a big contract with him. He's here to stay for a while. It's just a bad team.

 
I really really REALLY would love to see Clausen get a chance. Have a feeling we might see McCown 2.0. I do believe Trestman is probably a great qb coach, but I don't believe Cutler is coachable.

Zero chance of seeing it, barring injury. Unfortunately.

 
Vector said:
Thank god for the Blackhawks and Bulls. I will no longer watch the Bears. What a heartless ##### team. We are watching the birth of a losing culture and it is due to the soft coaches that started with the crap around Marty's punishment in practice for his fire.

Reward softness and punish fire.... who's driving this clown car.

Kyle Long - Get off twitter and be a leader.

All you other goof balls that live on twitter. I don't give a crap about your great wardrobe and what shoes you should wear. Go in scrubs and work you bunch of %$##.

I've had it. I'm out. I'm sure there are a few that are happy with me checking out. To them, I hope your team breaks your hearts as they inevitably will because they don't have the talent to win.

Adios. The NFL sucks.
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I'll take my chances

Happy sunday

 
Power Monster said:
Interesting to note that the defense has actually gotten better than last year but they set a franchise record for most points allowed in a half by a Bears defense. The problem here is the same thing I have been saying for years - they solve a problem they open up 2 to 3 more gaps. They simply cannot evaluate talent. All this no GM hits on every pick is just drinking the kool aide. The record speaks for itself. The broken records of a franchise that was built on defense is alarming. This GM is brutal. I will take the flip side and state that every now and then a guppy GM will hit pay dirt but then again these impact players - Fuller, Long and Jeffrey are no brainers. They had high value going in and frankly the OL has taken a step back this year. It all adds up to another year of failure.
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I think Emery has done a decent job with talent. Fuller, Long and Jeffrey were far from no-brainers. Fuller came as a surprise. I thought they would go after Aaron Donald or one of those safeties. When he drafted Long everyone thought he reached. Long was projected in the second round. Jeffrey was the 7th WR off the board. Emery traded for Marshall. That was brilliant. Last year he signed Slauson, Bushrod, and drafted Long and Jordan Mills. The offensive line went from a disaster to a solid unit. He signed Bennett. That was a terrific signing. This year he signed Willie Young and Lamar Houston, both good signings. He drafted Ferguson and Sutton. They focused on the d-line and that group is greatly improved.

He has made mistakes. They keep insisting that Conte can play. He signed a number of safeties and they all suck. He drafted Shea in the first in 2012, and we all see he can't play. Bostic and Greene have yet to show much. I think the biggest mistake was signing Cutler to this big contract. Now they are saddled with Cutler for at least two more years. Last year Trestman looked like a brilliant hire. This year it looks like Arians would have been a much better choice. I don't think Emery is brilliant, but he has done a lot of good things. The two biggest mistakes, resigning Cutler, and hiring Trestman, may be what costs Emery his job. But Emery is certainly a huge improvement over Angelo.

 
Posters seem to be under the impression Emery's job is at risk. That's crazy. Who fires a GM after two seasons? You hire these guys for 5-6 years, even for a first time GM.

My mindset as a fan is that if we can't beat Green Bay after the bye, it's time to let Trestman and Jay go. Bring a new coach in, draft a QB and see what we can do with them.

But realistically, Jay isn't going anywhere after we paid him all that money. Big signing bonus will scare ownership away from letting him go.

 
I blame the offense more than the D for the loss yesterday. They opened the game again with a 3 and out. For an offensive team with an offensive "guru" as their head coach they seem to start out terribly every week which is unacceptable since this is supposed to be the strength of their team. When the D made an impressive goal line stand you can't have the O have a 3 and out on the next series. Cutler locks into receivers and defensive backs always know where he is going and the safeties seem to break on the ball early. Against the Dolphins Culter tried to throw a deep ball on the 3rd and 1 in the first series instead of hitting a wide open Bennett underneath for a first down. It probably would have been a huge gain. I am not exempting the D of blame because they were bad but the O needs to have longer possessions that end in scoring that keeps the D off the field - especially against the Pats.

I think the Bears should stop coddling Cutler and bench him. Obviously this approach has not worked so it is time to publicly embarrass him and see if it will light a fire under him.

I agree with Flap that it looks like the coaching staff should go. Emery brought in something like 100 coaches and decided to try to outsmart everybody. McCoy, Kelly & Arians were better choices and most experts seemed to think this was the case at the time as well. I would love to have any of those 3 guys right now.

 
Papa John said:
Lamarr Houston, what a jack###. And this, after he was calling bears fans out for being stupid ... saying "eat dirt". Moron.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000418019/article/bears-lamarr-houston-injures-himself-celebrating
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Emery said they were disappointed in Houston, and disappointed for him. Houston apologized to the team on Monday for the injury.

"He knows he made an error, he's come into all of our offices and apologized for his error. But ultimately the team paid a price, and at the end of the day Lamarr paid a bigger price, he lost the season. So, enough said."
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Where is the line for trading my ACL for a $35MM contract? I'd like to jump on.

 
The defense is bad... and was expected to be bad. The offense though... they've score 180 points in half the season. They were expected to do that in about 5 games.

Or lets put it this way- we can all name probably 9 positions that should be upgraded on the defense in a perfect world. The talent just sucks, they should be bad. The special teams suffer the same problem (and use a lot of the same crappy talent).

But what about the offense? What can be realistically added to this group that would make it better? How do you fix this when it isnt even really that obvious all the things that are wrong with it.

I'm not a Cutler hater by any means, but what could you possibly hand him at this point that would make you comfortable saying 'ok, this is what turns the corner'. I'm not a Trestman hater either, but same question. How do you proceed from here offensively? Look, nobody should fall into the trap of thinking you couldnt do any worse at the QB position, because there are easily a dozen teams in the NFL that would beg to argue that point. By definition, everybody cant have a top 10 QB. But that being said... what the hell? There just arent any excuses left, and when you run out of excuses you have to point the fingers at the guys running the show. The QB and the coach. What else can you do?

 
I heard something interesting on the radio today about the Bears special teams. One of the big problems is that the Bears didn't sign any special teams specialists that are veterans. Normally they will have a number of veterans who are meant to be primarily special teams players. This year they felt that they wanted to use the roster spots for young guys they could develop as position players. The lack of veteran leadership on the special teams has really hurt them. That makes some sense to me. That coupled with the fact that they have really struggled with returners.

Another thing that was interesting was that they were talking about the Bears young linebackers in the Atlanta game. They played very well. But what was pointed out is that after a game teams have tape to study. They look for ways to beat those young linebackers. The young guys were not nearly as effective in the second game. Then after the Miami game the Patriots had a couple of game tapes to look at. The Patriots were able to identify weaknesses and take advantage of those. That may be why Fuller was more effective early in the year. As teams had more tape to look at they were able to find weaknesses in his game. He will have to adjust his game to nullify those strategies.

 
mbuehner said:
The defense is bad... and was expected to be bad. The offense though... they've score 180 points in half the season. They were expected to do that in about 5 games.
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I don't think the Bears thought the defense would be this bad. They invested heavily in the d-line with the free agents and draft picks. I think they believed that a good pass rush would mask the weaknesses they had in the secondary. I also think they believed that they would be quite a bit better at safety. But the pass rush although better than last year, still has not been nearly as strong as they had hoped. And while Fuller has shown promise, Jennings has regressed, and their safeties are just as bad as last year. I also think they expected Bostic to start pushing DJ Williams and McClellin would improve. That hasn't really happened. McClellin has been just as useless at LB as he was at DE. Neither Bostic or Greene have been particularly impressive. So I believe that the results have been much less than the Bears expected.

 
twistd said:
mbuehner said:
The defense is bad... and was expected to be bad. The offense though... they've score 180 points in half the season. They were expected to do that in about 5 games.
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I don't think the Bears thought the defense would be this bad. They invested heavily in the d-line with the free agents and draft picks. I think they believed that a good pass rush would mask the weaknesses they had in the secondary. I also think they believed that they would be quite a bit better at safety. But the pass rush although better than last year, still has not been nearly as strong as they had hoped. And while Fuller has shown promise, Jennings has regressed, and their safeties are just as bad as last year. I also think they expected Bostic to start pushing DJ Williams and McClellin would improve. That hasn't really happened. McClellin has been just as useless at LB as he was at DE. Neither Bostic or Greene have been particularly impressive. So I believe that the results have been much less than the Bears expected.
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All true. But regardless if Bears were losing 36-31 thats one thing. 42-10 is something else.

 
mbuehner said:
twistd said:
mbuehner said:
The defense is bad... and was expected to be bad. The offense though... they've score 180 points in half the season. They were expected to do that in about 5 games.
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I don't think the Bears thought the defense would be this bad. They invested heavily in the d-line with the free agents and draft picks. I think they believed that a good pass rush would mask the weaknesses they had in the secondary. I also think they believed that they would be quite a bit better at safety. But the pass rush although better than last year, still has not been nearly as strong as they had hoped. And while Fuller has shown promise, Jennings has regressed, and their safeties are just as bad as last year. I also think they expected Bostic to start pushing DJ Williams and McClellin would improve. That hasn't really happened. McClellin has been just as useless at LB as he was at DE. Neither Bostic or Greene have been particularly impressive. So I believe that the results have been much less than the Bears expected.
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All true. But regardless if Bears were losing 36-31 thats one thing. 42-10 is something else.
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I agree. I think the Bears believed that the offense could average the 27 points a game they did last year. Problem is that they have only scored 27 points three times this year. They won all three of those games. They expected that the offense was going to carry this team. Forte, Bennett, and the o-line are doing their part. But Cutler, Jeffrey, and Marshall are not. I really don't know how you change that.

 
twistd said:
I heard something interesting on the radio today about the Bears special teams. One of the big problems is that the Bears didn't sign any special teams specialists that are veterans. Normally they will have a number of veterans who are meant to be primarily special teams players. This year they felt that they wanted to use the roster spots for young guys they could develop as position players. The lack of veteran leadership on the special teams has really hurt them. That makes some sense to me. That coupled with the fact that they have really struggled with returners.
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This was mentioned this earlier in the season too. In years past, because of Urlacher/Briggs, the front office would bring in special teams aces and fit them in as backup linebackers (Tim Shaw, Ayanbadejo). But with the LB crew the way it is now, the last two years they brought in linebackers (Sharpton, Jones) and fit them in as special teams players. Resulting in worse ST obviously, but prioritizing LB more.

Basically without stud LB's, or at least consistent ones, ST's will suffer a bit from what we were used to in the Toub days

 
Been quiet for a while as this has been maddening. Pretty much agree with twistd and mbuehner. Bears did think this d would be better with an increased pass rush that we tried to buy, but it still isn't getting there. Brady was just standing there looking for receivers. And I thought their o-line was supposed to be iffy. I don't know where to place blame for that. I think we all thought Emory did a great job, we signed highly rated players, drafted some guys that look to have talent, and they just can't put it together...why? Players, coaches, I don't know, but it should cost tucker his job right there.

As for the pats game, that was truly a full team loss. I don't think any QB in the league could have won that game with the d just getting shredded. That being said, by all their 3 and out or 6 and out drives. A more efficient offense would have kept the game closer by just keeping the damn ball for a while. St didn't help either with that big punt return just before the half.

 
The Tick said:
Been quiet for a while as this has been maddening. Pretty much agree with twistd and mbuehner. Bears did think this d would be better with an increased pass rush that we tried to buy, but it still isn't getting there. Brady was just standing there looking for receivers. And I thought their o-line was supposed to be iffy.
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Football outsiders ranks the Pats OL 11th in the league in pass protection

 
flapgreen said:
Sweetness_34 said:
flapgreen said:
Houston having MRI tomorrow. Feared season ending injury. Did nothing all year. Injures himself celebrating a meaningless sack against the backup. Sums up the entire team.
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This D is significantly better at stopping the run this year compared to last year. You can compare any #s or look at any game film and figure that out. I know you are blind when it comes to facts but Lamar had a lot to do with that. He is a very good run stopper who has managed to get some sacks too (he had 6 last year). Just because it is not sacks does not mean he "did nothing" all year. He has also had QB hurries and hits in the passing game. Again, something you have no clue about because you are one of the meat head fans.
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This guy :lmao:
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Houston has 8 tackles, 14 QB pressures, and ZERO sacks through 7 games! In contrast, Houston secured 56 tackles, 41 QB hurries and 7 sacks last year on a woeful Raider's D-Line. I would consider his performance below par and well below what we paid him. Check out the link, pretty funny.

http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/Billboard-Pokes-Fun-at-Lamarr-Houston-280595862.html

 
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Lol, this team sucks so hard. I'm glad I don't have to try to figure out how to fix it. The offense can't score. The defense can't get off the field. And after the bye comes the Packers, lol. Can anyone realistically see more than 2, maybe 3 wins on the remaining schedule? At least Emery should get a chance at some prime talent in the draft.

And it's been mentioned several times, but I am still incredulous that Houston ended his season celebrating a meaningless sack against a backup QB while the Bears are getting railed. So dumb. At this point there's nothing left to do except drink and laugh.

 
They won't do it, but I would love to see the Bears make an injury settlement with Houston and send him packing. When you do something this stupid you are too stupid to be on my team. But, as was said earlier, I think this illustrates the Bears 2014 season in a nutshell. I think they win two more games this year. I think they will beat Tampa and split with Minnesota. I think they lose both to Detroit. I think they lose to the Packers. And I can't see them beating either Dallas or New Orleans. That would be 5-11. And I predict that neither Trestman or Emery will be fired after this season. Mel Tucker will probably be the sacrificial lamb for this debacle.

 
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This is ultimately a product of years of bad drafting. The Bears are this year's poster child of trying to buy a team and failing.

 
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This is ultimately a product of years of bad drafting. The Bears are this year's poster child of trying to buy a team and failing.
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I agree with the D but not the Offense. Even if many of the offensive players were acquired via free agency or trades they have now been together long enough. I think Trestman has been getting out coached and Cutler has stunk! How many points have they had before half time the past two weeks. I think it was 0 & 7. That is unacceptable for an offensive team - especially when they should be playing with desperation and a sense of urgency.

 
flapgreen said:
This is ultimately a product of years of bad drafting. The Bears are this year's poster child of trying to buy a team and failing.
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I think the Bears actually did well with Willie Young and despite his recent stupidity, Houston. Ratliff has played very well. Jared Allen seems to be a disappointment. But the d-line is much better than it was last year. I believe they thought the defense would be better than it is, but I sincerely doubt they expected it to be top ten. I suspect they were hoping for maybe top 15 in the league. I think that was realistic, and a huge improvement over last year when they were bottom three. The Bears D is ranked 19th by PFF.

Lets look at the drafting. But look at the 2014 draft class:

Fuller

Ferguson

Sutton

Vereen

Fales

Pat O'Donnell

Charles Leno

Every one of these guys made the team, although Fales is on the practice squad. Charles Leon is an OT who hasn't played yet. O'Donnell is ranked 17th as a punter by PFF. But Podlash was rated last in 2013, so that is an improvement, and he is a rookie so the salary is probably cheaper. Vereen is rated 41st at safety, but he is ranked highest of the Bear safeties. Sutton hasn't been all that good, but Ferguson is ranked 41 out of 106 DTs. Fuller is ranked 37th out of 107.

Just the fact that everyone made the team is good. You have 5 of 7 contributing. That is pretty good.

The 2013 class:

Kyle Long

Bostic

Greene

Mills

Cornelius Washington

Marquess Wilson

Long has been very good, probably their best o-lineman this year. Bostic is rated 21 out of 58 at ILB by PFF. Greene hasn't gotten much playing time. Mills started all last year and was decent, and has now moved inside to guard where I think he is better suited. Cornelius Washington is on the roster as a DE, played in two games no stats. Wilson had buzz in the preseason but got hurt. We should see Wilson soon. Again, every member of the draft class is on the roster.

The 2012 draft class:

McClellin

Jeffrey

Brandon Hardin

Evan Rodriguez

Isaiah Frey

Greg McCoy

This one is bad. McClellin is trying to switch to LB. He is currently rated 26 out of 34 at OLB in a 4-3. Jeffrey is struggling this season but was a monster last season. This is where it gets bad. Hardin, Rodriguez, and McCoy are out of the league. Frey got cut and is now with Tampa.

All in all that isn't a bad draft record. 2012 was not good but the other two years are pretty good I think. They haven't produced super stars but as long as guys are on the roster and producing it isn't terrible.

 
You ought not judge a draft class for at least 2 full years. I'll give Emery a mulligan on his first year, especially given the improvement of the second year. A lot of this goes back farther than Emery, and it takes time to stock a teams cupboard. What does concern me is if he is learning good lessons or bad lessons. One of the most important parts of being a GM is not to let pride interfere with your decision making. Holding on to McClellan like grim death because he was your first 1st round pick is not a good indication. He also seems to be defensive in the media. One of Jerry Angelos (many) downfalls was falling in love with being the clever guy. He cared a lot about making a big splash with his picks to prove to the media that he was so smart. I really hope Emery doesnt get sucked into that mentality. The truth of NFL drafting is that its not he homeruns that build you a great franchise. Its the base hits and the doubles, year after year. Putting guys on your roster that can play in the NFL so that if somebody goes down, the next man is a quality starter.

 
twistd said:
flapgreen said:
This is ultimately a product of years of bad drafting. The Bears are this year's poster child of trying to buy a team and failing.
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I think the Bears actually did well with Willie Young and despite his recent stupidity, Houston. Ratliff has played very well. Jared Allen seems to be a disappointment. But the d-line is much better than it was last year. I believe they thought the defense would be better than it is, but I sincerely doubt they expected it to be top ten. I suspect they were hoping for maybe top 15 in the league. I think that was realistic, and a huge improvement over last year when they were bottom three. The Bears D is ranked 19th by PFF.

Lets look at the drafting. But look at the 2014 draft class:

Fuller

Ferguson

Sutton

Vereen

Fales

Pat O'Donnell

Charles Leno

Every one of these guys made the team, although Fales is on the practice squad. Charles Leon is an OT who hasn't played yet. O'Donnell is ranked 17th as a punter by PFF. But Podlash was rated last in 2013, so that is an improvement, and he is a rookie so the salary is probably cheaper. Vereen is rated 41st at safety, but he is ranked highest of the Bear safeties. Sutton hasn't been all that good, but Ferguson is ranked 41 out of 106 DTs. Fuller is ranked 37th out of 107.

Just the fact that everyone made the team is good. You have 5 of 7 contributing. That is pretty good.

The 2013 class:

Kyle Long

Bostic

Greene

Mills

Cornelius Washington

Marquess Wilson

Long has been very good, probably their best o-lineman this year. Bostic is rated 21 out of 58 at ILB by PFF. Greene hasn't gotten much playing time. Mills started all last year and was decent, and has now moved inside to guard where I think he is better suited. Cornelius Washington is on the roster as a DE, played in two games no stats. Wilson had buzz in the preseason but got hurt. We should see Wilson soon. Again, every member of the draft class is on the roster.

The 2012 draft class:

McClellin

Jeffrey

Brandon Hardin

Evan Rodriguez

Isaiah Frey

Greg McCoy

This one is bad. McClellin is trying to switch to LB. He is currently rated 26 out of 34 at OLB in a 4-3. Jeffrey is struggling this season but was a monster last season. This is where it gets bad. Hardin, Rodriguez, and McCoy are out of the league. Frey got cut and is now with Tampa.

All in all that isn't a bad draft record. 2012 was not good but the other two years are pretty good I think. They haven't produced super stars but as long as guys are on the roster and producing it isn't terrible.
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I think he is not talking about the past 2 years.

Take a look at this load of doody from Angelo (there were very few hits):

2005

1 4 Cedric Benson RB Texas

2 39 Mark Bradley WR Oklahoma

4 106 Kyle Orton QB Purdue

5 140 Airese Currie WR Clemson

6 181 Chris Harris DB Louisiana-Monroe

7 220 Rodrigues Wilson LB South Carolina

2006

2 42 Danieal Manning DB Abilene Christian

2 57 Devin Hester DB Miami

3 73 Dusty Dvoracek DL Oklahoma

4 120 Jamar Williams LB Arizona State

5 159 Mark Anderson DE Alabama

6 195 J.D. Runnels RB Oklahoma

6 200 Tyler Reed OG Penn State

2007

1 31 Greg Olsen TE Miami

2 62 Dan Bazuin DE Central Michigan

3 93 Garrett Wolfe RB Northern Illinois

3 94 Michael Okwo LB Stanford

4 130 Josh Beekman OG Boston College

5 167 Kevin Payne DB Louisiana-Monroe

5 168 Corey Graham DB New Hampshire

7 221 Trumaine McBride DB Mississippi

7 241 Aaron Brant OT Iowa State

2008

1 14 Chris Williams OT Vanderbilt

2 44 Matt Forte RB Tulane

3 70 Earl Bennett WR Vanderbilt

3 90 Marcus Harrison DT Arkansas

4 120 Craig Steltz DB Louisiana State

5 142 Zack Bowman DB Nebraska

5 158 Kellen Davis TE Michigan State

7 208 Ervin Baldwin DE Michigan State

7 222 Chester Adams OG Georgia

7 243 Joey LaRocque LB Oregon State

7 247 Kirk Barton OT Ohio State

7 248 Marcus Monk WR Arkansas

2009

3 68 Jarron Gilbert DT San Jose State

3 99 Juaquin Iglesias WR Oklahoma

4 105 Henry Melton DE Texas

4 119 D.J. Moore DB Vanderbilt

5 140 Johnny Knox WR Abilene Christian

5 154 Marcus Freeman LB Ohio State

6 190 Al Afalava DB Oregon State

7 246 Lance Louis OG San Diego State

7 251 Derek Kinder WR Pittsburgh

2010

3 75 Major Wright DB Florida

4 109 Corey Wootton DE Northwestern

5 141 Joshua Moore DB Kansas State

6 181 Dan LeFevour QB Central Michigan

7 218 J’Marcus Webb OT West Texas A&M

2011

1 29 Gabe Carimi OT Wisconsin

2 53 Stephen Paea DT Oregon State

3 93 Christopher Conte DB California

5 160 Nathan Enderle QB Idaho

6 195 J.T. Thomas LB West Virginia

 
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You ought not judge a draft class for at least 2 full years. I'll give Emery a mulligan on his first year, especially given the improvement of the second year. A lot of this goes back farther than Emery, and it takes time to stock a teams cupboard. What does concern me is if he is learning good lessons or bad lessons. One of the most important parts of being a GM is not to let pride interfere with your decision making. Holding on to McClellan like grim death because he was your first 1st round pick is not a good indication. He also seems to be defensive in the media. One of Jerry Angelos (many) downfalls was falling in love with being the clever guy. He cared a lot about making a big splash with his picks to prove to the media that he was so smart. I really hope Emery doesnt get sucked into that mentality. The truth of NFL drafting is that its not he homeruns that build you a great franchise. Its the base hits and the doubles, year after year. Putting guys on your roster that can play in the NFL so that if somebody goes down, the next man is a quality starter.
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I agree 100%. The optimistic thing about the last two drafts are everyone is on the roster. Like you said, it may not be home runs but you need the guys you draft to contribute. You have hopes that the players you draft will develop in to solid starters. Looking at 2012 McClellin is never going to return value on that first round pick, but he isn't the worst 4-3 OLB in the league. I believe Jeffrey may be a super star. He's struggling some this year but what we all saw last year was very impressive. So 2012 isn't completely a wasteland.

I agree about Angelo. Angelo always wanted to be a genius. I was worried that McClellin was Emery acting like exactly that. It does seem that McClellin was a mistake, but Long is developing nicely. I thought Long was drafted too early, but after the draft I heard that a number of teams were interested in him and he wouldn't have lasted much past the Bears pick. Fuller was drafted about where he was expected to be drafted. I hope the last two drafts were more of an example of what we will see in the future.

 
Yeah. I mean a culmination of many years of poor drafting. You can't buy your way out. Add that to terrible coaching and you get this type of Defense. I think the thing that worries me the most is Emery and Trestman's response to the situation. They seem unaware or unprepared for what's occurring. They can't stop the bleeding. The players are losing confidence and feel embarrassed. That's not good.

 
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