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**Official 2014 MLB Regular Season-All over but the shouting (1 Viewer)

Anyone have any idea what just happened in the Oakland-Toronto game? I've seen references on Twitter about replay and the game being under protest.
i didnt see it. Can only tell you what i read. Bases loaded one out. Toronto players grounds to 1b, first baseman tags runner and then throws home meaning its no longer a force but catcher didnt apply tag. The reason he didnt apply the tag is because ump at first called runner at first safe. Thats the part thats under protest. Replay overturned the call correctly but ump called him safe which apparently didnt matter
 
Anyone have any idea what just happened in the Oakland-Toronto game? I've seen references on Twitter about replay and the game being under protest.
i didnt see it. Can only tell you what i read. Bases loaded one out. Toronto players grounds to 1b, first baseman tags runner and then throws home meaning its no longer a force but catcher didnt apply tag. The reason he didnt apply the tag is because ump at first called runner at first safe. Thats the part thats under protest. Replay overturned the call correctly but ump called him safe which apparently didnt matter
Interesting. Did they originally rule the runner out at the plate on the "force"?

 
Anyone have any idea what just happened in the Oakland-Toronto game? I've seen references on Twitter about replay and the game being under protest.
i didnt see it. Can only tell you what i read. Bases loaded one out. Toronto players grounds to 1b, first baseman tags runner and then throws home meaning its no longer a force but catcher didnt apply tag. The reason he didnt apply the tag is because ump at first called runner at first safe. Thats the part thats under protest. Replay overturned the call correctly but ump called him safe which apparently didnt matter
Interesting. Did they originally rule the runner out at the plate on the "force"?
Yes.

And it was clear that Jaso didn't tag the runner at home because the runner going to 2nd was called safe. Jaso could have easily made the tag if he tried.

 
If you trust men who wear bow ties :bowtie:

Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 1h

#Cubs in serious talks with #Athletics on big trade, sources tell me and @jonmorosi. If completed, Hammel and/or Samardzija would go to A’s.
 
Can't say I'm wild about this deal for Oakland, but they did need pitching to be legitimate threats this year and Beane has earned some trust...but wow, stunned they moved Russell. They badly need a second baseman. Wonder if they'll trade for one with the leftover arms.

 
:shock: The Beanes are going for it.

Since I have a small WS futures bet on the A's at 18:1, I approve of this move for the short-term but I think the Theos come out ahead on this one.

 
A 2017 opening day infield of Rizzo, Baez, Russell and Bryant seems like it might be pretty good.

I guess this means they move Castro in the next two years.

 
Cubs have really done well the last few years with their FA pitching flipping
Losing Samardjzia isn't a net gain. Cubs have tremendous hitting prospects but almost no pitching prospects, so they'll have to acquire those pieces via FA I would guess. You just traded a guy who is a #2 pitcher in his prime, and probably sold high on Hammel. I think it's a good trade, but not a great trade considering you have Castro, Baez, and Alcantara already in the system at SS.

 
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Cubs have really done well the last few years with their FA pitching flipping
Losing Samardjzia isn't a net gain. Cubs have tremendous hitting prospects but almost no pitching prospects, so they'll have to acquire those pieces via FA I would guess. You just traded a guy who is a #2 pitcher in his prime, and probably sold high on Hammel. I think it's a good trade, but not a great trade considering you have Castro, Baez, and Alcantara already in the system at SS.
They still have $32.5M worth of Edwin Jackson.

Straily has been excellent in the PCL but has always been the odd man out in Oakland. The move to Wrigley won't help his propensity to give up the long ball. He's worth a shot for the Cubs and probably has a equal chance at long-term success as Hammel does.

The Cubs are still a work in progress. They've been better the past couple of months but replacing two above average starters with Straily and some guy will be a setback. I guess Epstein figures he can acquire pitching when the window opens for his young bats.

 
Cubs have really done well the last few years with their FA pitching flipping
Losing Samardjzia isn't a net gain. Cubs have tremendous hitting prospects but almost no pitching prospects, so they'll have to acquire those pieces via FA I would guess. You just traded a guy who is a #2 pitcher in his prime, and probably sold high on Hammel. I think it's a good trade, but not a great trade considering you have Castro, Baez, and Alcantara already in the system at SS.
Shark is in his prime, is questionable as a legit #2 and he wants major $. Hammel was an afterthought in free agency last year.

Collecting a bunch of shortstops that can hit is never a bad thing. If Bryant and Baez work out at 3B and 2B, then the Cubs would love to worry about which player to move between Castro and Russell. However the Cubs can now fill a huge hole in RF with Bryant, CF with Alcantara (where he has been playing lately), and split 3B/2B between Baez and Russell if they are lucky enough for all of them to work out. All of them have the potential to be plus hitters at those positions.

 
Cubs have really done well the last few years with their FA pitching flipping
Losing Samardjzia isn't a net gain. Cubs have tremendous hitting prospects but almost no pitching prospects, so they'll have to acquire those pieces via FA I would guess. You just traded a guy who is a #2 pitcher in his prime, and probably sold high on Hammel. I think it's a good trade, but not a great trade considering you have Castro, Baez, and Alcantara already in the system at SS.
Shark is in his prime, is questionable as a legit #2 and he wants major $. Hammel was an afterthought in free agency last year.

Collecting a bunch of shortstops that can hit is never a bad thing. If Bryant and Baez work out at 3B and 2B, then the Cubs would love to worry about which player to move between Castro and Russell. However the Cubs can now fill a huge hole in RF with Bryant, CF with Alcantara (where he has been playing lately), and split 3B/2B between Baez and Russell if they are lucky enough for all of them to work out. All of them have the potential to be plus hitters at those positions.
The chance of all those guys working out is probably pretty small though. Baez looks to have a lot of power, but he also Ks a ton and still hasn't figured out the offspeed stuff. Bryant and Russell are still too young to really tell, but Russell looks like a guy that will be a good all around player at SS. Alcantara seems like n error machine at SS anyway, so moving him to CF seems smart.

Gonna be interesting to see when all these guys are ready, Twins have a good deal of positional talent also but the Cubs passed them going away today by getting Russell. To me of all those SS mentioned, he has the ability to be the best over the long-term.

 
Cubs have really done well the last few years with their FA pitching flipping
Losing Samardjzia isn't a net gain. Cubs have tremendous hitting prospects but almost no pitching prospects, so they'll have to acquire those pieces via FA I would guess. You just traded a guy who is a #2 pitcher in his prime, and probably sold high on Hammel. I think it's a good trade, but not a great trade considering you have Castro, Baez, and Alcantara already in the system at SS.
Shark is in his prime, is questionable as a legit #2 and he wants major $. Hammel was an afterthought in free agency last year.

Collecting a bunch of shortstops that can hit is never a bad thing. If Bryant and Baez work out at 3B and 2B, then the Cubs would love to worry about which player to move between Castro and Russell. However the Cubs can now fill a huge hole in RF with Bryant, CF with Alcantara (where he has been playing lately), and split 3B/2B between Baez and Russell if they are lucky enough for all of them to work out. All of them have the potential to be plus hitters at those positions.
The chance of all those guys working out is probably pretty small though. Baez looks to have a lot of power, but he also Ks a ton and still hasn't figured out the offspeed stuff. Bryant and Russell are still too young to really tell, but Russell looks like a guy that will be a good all around player at SS. Alcantara seems like n error machine at SS anyway, so moving him to CF seems smart.

Gonna be interesting to see when all these guys are ready, Twins have a good deal of positional talent also but the Cubs passed them going away today by getting Russell. To me of all those SS mentioned, he has the ability to be the best over the long-term.
I do think Russell is the best contender with Castro at SS long-term. That chances that all of those players working out is small so that is why trading for another potential all-star infielder is still a great move. The Cubs are creating enough ammo to have a solid offensive base even if a few of the bats don't develop. i was just pointing out that there are places for everybody if they prove to be ready by the end of next year.

 
A 2017 opening day infield of Rizzo, Baez, Russell and Bryant seems like it might be pretty good.

I guess this means they move Castro in the next two years.
Makes me wonder if they they have changed their view on Baez. Castro has played second before, right?

Or they can always move one of them to the of.

 
A 2017 opening day infield of Rizzo, Baez, Russell and Bryant seems like it might be pretty good.

I guess this means they move Castro in the next two years.
Makes me wonder if they they have changed their view on Baez. Castro has played second before, right?

Or they can always move one of them to the of.
I don't recall Castro being anything other than a SS in the Cubs system. He shot through the system very quickly and I don't believe the previous regime gave thought to other positions.

The first "future core" hitter up will be Alcantara since he is already on the 40 man and is currently mashing AAA. He was a SS but was shifted to 2B and now is getting time in CF this season. He will be the Cubs starting 2B and/or CF before the year is done.

Bryant is the next logical call up but that won't happen until next season. The desire of Cubs fans is that he is in the opening day lineup but we will see if the Cubs make him get his "500+ pa's" in AAA and avoid super two status. Since the Olt experiment has been a failure and Bryant has reportedly impressed at 3B, he should be their 3B next year.

Baez has struggled this year but it appears he might be turning a corner. He has a 9 bb / 10 k ratio the last 10 games and apparently the promotion of Bryant and the influence of Manny are rubbing off on him. We will see... He still has the highest potential of any Cub prospect at the plate but also some Rob Deer 30 hr/200 k. He played some 2B in spring training but nothing other than SS at Iowa. I don't see him pushing Castro off of SS and I think that the reason he is still at SS is because his bat isn't pushing a promotion. He is either a future 2B, 3B, or possible OF. I think the will be at 2B in Wrigley early next year.

Russell will spend all of 2015 in the minors between AA and AAA and probably will see Wrigley mid-2016 at the earliest if he continues on his path. He is the best defensive SS of the current crop so he could be the one to push Castro. If not, he will push Baez off of 2B. It will be a great problem for the Cubs to have if all 4 are starter level contributors by the end of 2016. I suspect that unless a trade is viable to improve the team, either Bryant or Baez will be moved to the OF.

The Cubs will also have legit prospects Almora (CF), Vogelbach (1B/DH), Soler (RF/LF), and Schwarber (LF/C) in AA or higher next season among other interesting prospects who could see the majors.

 
A 2017 opening day infield of Rizzo, Baez, Russell and Bryant seems like it might be pretty good.

I guess this means they move Castro in the next two years.
Makes me wonder if they they have changed their view on Baez. Castro has played second before, right?

Or they can always move one of them to the of.
The Cubs are just stockpiling talent, finally. Figure out where they're all going to play later. It's a good problem to have.

 
A 2017 opening day infield of Rizzo, Baez, Russell and Bryant seems like it might be pretty good.

I guess this means they move Castro in the next two years.
Makes me wonder if they they have changed their view on Baez. Castro has played second before, right?

Or they can always move one of them to the of.
The Cubs are just stockpiling talent, finally. Figure out where they're all going to play later. It's a good problem to have.
And I think they can use a lot of the high quality depth they have accumulated for pitching, both veterans (Cole Hamels) and young pitchers.

 
A 2017 opening day infield of Rizzo, Baez, Russell and Bryant seems like it might be pretty good.

I guess this means they move Castro in the next two years.
Makes me wonder if they they have changed their view on Baez. Castro has played second before, right?

Or they can always move one of them to the of.
I don't recall Castro being anything other than a SS in the Cubs system. He shot through the system very quickly and I don't believe the previous regime gave thought to other positions.

The first "future core" hitter up will be Alcantara since he is already on the 40 man and is currently mashing AAA. He was a SS but was shifted to 2B and now is getting time in CF this season. He will be the Cubs starting 2B and/or CF before the year is done.

Bryant is the next logical call up but that won't happen until next season. The desire of Cubs fans is that he is in the opening day lineup but we will see if the Cubs make him get his "500+ pa's" in AAA and avoid super two status. Since the Olt experiment has been a failure and Bryant has reportedly impressed at 3B, he should be their 3B next year.

Baez has struggled this year but it appears he might be turning a corner. He has a 9 bb / 10 k ratio the last 10 games and apparently the promotion of Bryant and the influence of Manny are rubbing off on him. We will see... He still has the highest potential of any Cub prospect at the plate but also some Rob Deer 30 hr/200 k. He played some 2B in spring training but nothing other than SS at Iowa. I don't see him pushing Castro off of SS and I think that the reason he is still at SS is because his bat isn't pushing a promotion. He is either a future 2B, 3B, or possible OF. I think the will be at 2B in Wrigley early next year.

Russell will spend all of 2015 in the minors between AA and AAA and probably will see Wrigley mid-2016 at the earliest if he continues on his path. He is the best defensive SS of the current crop so he could be the one to push Castro. If not, he will push Baez off of 2B. It will be a great problem for the Cubs to have if all 4 are starter level contributors by the end of 2016. I suspect that unless a trade is viable to improve the team, either Bryant or Baez will be moved to the OF.

The Cubs will also have legit prospects Almora (CF), Vogelbach (1B/DH), Soler (RF/LF), and Schwarber (LF/C) in AA or higher next season among other interesting prospects who could see the majors.
They definitely have accumulated quite a bit of high quality depth. I think Bryant will be the best of the bunch.

 
Balco said:
Doctor Detroit said:
Smack Tripper said:
Yanks were rumored to be getting Hammel and Russell somehow in this... I don't know what that would have cost but I would have paid it.
Jeter's legacy?
I was trying to figure out what the Yankees could possibly give for someone like Russel. And I couldn't think of one deal. That team is toast.
The closest I came was Robertson, betances and their three best prospects. Allegedly a couple of decent A ball kids in Luis severino and Aaron judge. Plus they have a couple of interesting catchers.

That's a lot but Russell is kind of guy you do that for

 
Balco said:
Doctor Detroit said:
Smack Tripper said:
Yanks were rumored to be getting Hammel and Russell somehow in this... I don't know what that would have cost but I would have paid it.
Jeter's legacy?
I was trying to figure out what the Yankees could possibly give for someone like Russel. And I couldn't think of one deal. That team is toast.
The closest I came was Robertson, betances and their three best prospects. Allegedly a couple of decent A ball kids in Luis severino and Aaron judge. Plus they have a couple of interesting catchers.

That's a lot but Russell is kind of guy you do that for
I can't remember the last time the Yankees put a package together for somebody else's top minor league prospect

 
Balco said:
Doctor Detroit said:
Smack Tripper said:
Yanks were rumored to be getting Hammel and Russell somehow in this... I don't know what that would have cost but I would have paid it.
Jeter's legacy?
I was trying to figure out what the Yankees could possibly give for someone like Russel. And I couldn't think of one deal. That team is toast.
The closest I came was Robertson, betances and their three best prospects. Allegedly a couple of decent A ball kids in Luis severino and Aaron judge. Plus they have a couple of interesting catchers.That's a lot but Russell is kind of guy you do that for
I can't remember the last time the Yankees put a package together for somebody else's top minor league prospect
They sort of did that with the Pineda deal, though he wasn't a technical prospect per se but a rookie.

Before that, we go back to 1999 when they gave away mike Lowell for Ed yarnall. Don't know if has miami's top prospect then but he was a hard throwing lefty who I'd guess was a top 50 prospect. He was garbage and brosius was gone 3 years later (who the yanks traded Lowell because of. In fair as he was coming off The 98 World Series MVP but still a short sighted choice in retrospect.

 
The A's MO for awhile now has been to trade their prospects instead of developing them, we'll see how well it works but it's hard to quibble with their approach so far.

For the Cubs I think it's an obvious win. They're obviously stocked in the middle infield, but they can figure that out once all of those prospects mature further/see who flames out. For the A's, I imagine that their internal evaluation of Russell wasn't as high as it was in the media, and that they (likely) didn't view him as bringing elite defensive skills to the table.

I think it's very interesting that the Rays wouldn't trade Price for him.

 

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