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***Official 2014 World Cup Thread*** (2 Viewers)
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Moe.
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Yep. It's also silly how many other cameras you see in the shots. Besides, shouldn't they be using their hands for beer and not waving them and jumping around?Joe Bryant said:Maybe they do. I've just never seen them referred to like soccer folks do. Seems like the futbolguys are more interested in taking video of fans watching fans than other sports are. Just an observation.gianmarco said:
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QuizGuy66
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Cool. Um not not the best training for their match though
Should put that in the little kids gets owned thread.
-QG
QuizGuy66
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Moe.
Footballguy
They weren't too bad in the first half. You might be on to something though, Belgium is going to take the other two teams apart imo.
QuizGuy66
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When the analyst said "why worry about 3-1" or something like that I disagreed. I'm not kidding when I say that I think a one-goal loss to Belgium probably was in the thinking of the coach as a good result. Still, I think it will be tough for Algeria to get the results they need. The tie benefited them clearly, however.
-QG
Sebowski
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I just finished the match on dvr with my 9-5er Russian buddy who avoided spoilers for the day (and drank Moscow Mules).
It was great. Totally made me think of that poll that was posted about how the team the Russians are rooting against the most are the Russians. He was just railing on them. And on Russians. No skill. No imagination. Playing like robots. No heart. Then BOOM! they equalize. He goes crazy.
NYJ
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I thought Jo looked decent when he came on but didn't have enough time to make a real impact. The problem with Brazil last night was that they had no desire to go forward. They asked no questions from the defense. Scolari is doing it wrong IMO. I'd have Neymar wide left so he can cut in and create space/shooting opportunities. Willian wide right with Jo through the middle. Oscar can then attack from the centre and pull the strings. He's the key to this Brazil side and will be the best midfielder in the world in 2-3 years time.
I really like the way South Korea play. A very technically good side. They all seem to be able to make a quick move past a defender and retain possession. Need a striker though.
El Floppo
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El Floppo
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Feel like I saw Russia once or twice in the last couple years- was struck with how athletic, fit and fearless they were. Lighting quick on attack with guys who wanted to take players on. Didn't really see any of that last night.
I agree with Rock that SKorea played the more aggressively attacking game.
Also had the thought that both these teams based on last night are right at the level the US is. I don't discount that the US can and may take out some giants- and I feel the same about both of these teams.
I agree with Rock that SKorea played the more aggressively attacking game.
Also had the thought that both these teams based on last night are right at the level the US is. I don't discount that the US can and may take out some giants- and I feel the same about both of these teams.
Premier
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Man I did not see a team comparable to the US in South Korea. I didn't think they looked dangerous at all. Not saying we are Argentina or anything but I didn't see anybody who could create goals like Dempsey or hold play like Bradley usually does.
It's only one game and that's a dumb way to evaluate a team but I thought they looked rather punchless. Maybe we are too and I just don't really realize it.
It's only one game and that's a dumb way to evaluate a team but I thought they looked rather punchless. Maybe we are too and I just don't really realize it.
otello
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Joe, you should go watch a game at a soccer bar that focuses on a foreign team. I think you would enjoy it. For many countries in the world, this is the only sport that really matters. We are the exception.Yep. It's also silly how many other cameras you see in the shots. Besides, shouldn't they be using their hands for beer and not waving them and jumping around?Joe Bryant said:Maybe they do. I've just never seen them referred to like soccer folks do. Seems like the futbolguys are more interested in taking video of fans watching fans than other sports are. Just an observation.gianmarco said:
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Ilov80s
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I kind of think Chile gets them here. Casillas has been awful in his last two big games. If he plays like that again, Chile will score a couple times.
El Floppo
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If Chile has the fitness to press high and use their speed consistently on attacke, keeping Spain off the ball, yeah- I agree with 80s. I don't see a Casillas howler/mob-pay-off happening like with the Russia GK.
msommer
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The real reason Uruguay ran out of steam in their first match:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-27889343
There is a local variety available but it probably just isn't the same...
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-27889343
There is a local variety available but it probably just isn't the same...
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Sammy3469
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I have no idea what will happen. Something's off with Spain though and it'll be interesting to see if they include Costa again or go back to full on tiki-taka
Norman Paperman
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#GER continues to climb, while #BRA drops: BRA 35% ↓ GER 17% ↑ ARG 15% ↑ NED 7% COL 6% ↑ FRA 5% CHI 5% ↑ BEL 2% ↑
NewlyRetired
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But its the goal scoring avatar - it will suffice for a day or so - while I get the hang of things again
Norman Paperman
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Dinsy Ejotuz
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Let's talk about the US lineup on Sunday... if we try to play the same way (which I'd be tempted to do given how strong we've been at the back)...
---------Howard
Fab Cameron Besler? Beasley
-----Zusi Beckerman Jones
-------Bradley Johannsson
----------Dempsey
(Giving Zusi the start this time, planning to bring Bedoya in for Jones so they've all three played less than 180 minutes in the two games.)
What are the alternatives?
---------Howard
Fab Cameron Besler? Beasley
-----Zusi Beckerman Jones
-------Bradley Johannsson
----------Dempsey
(Giving Zusi the start this time, planning to bring Bedoya in for Jones so they've all three played less than 180 minutes in the two games.)
What are the alternatives?
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El Floppo
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The Gator
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Um, the USA is undefeated with shirtless avatars, so...yeah, that's not going to fly, guy
Norman Paperman
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Well, I think it might be better to start with Bedoya - assuming he is healthy, save Zusi for a sub
Might be tempted to start Wondo up top, and keep Dempsey where he is - though I think Bacon played better than people thought - given what we had to work with.
Dinsy Ejotuz
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The Gator
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Timmy
Fabian Cameron Besler/Brooks DMB
Zusi Beckerman Jones
Bradley Dempsey
Wondo
This affords our two best play makers to be on the ball the most, imo
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Dinsy Ejotuz
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Dempsey's not a physical force, but with his skill he can hold the ball when he needs to. Wondolowski would be worse than Bacon in that role IMO, and I think you'd have to go to two advanced forwards with him in the game.
El Floppo
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I agree about keeping Bedoya in there- they'll need his pace on Ronaldo's side.
I'd prefer to keep Bacon in there, but he and Deuce play very similar roles unless they've been able to sort out what kind of runs he's going to need to make if he's up high ala Jozy. Wondo... was always a mistake to bring. Just doesn't have any of the skills needed to beat these kind of players- off the run, off the dribble, anything. I'd love to be proved wrong about him- I would happily eat crow with him scoring goals, but I'd much rather have an EJ to throw on the field. Without that option, give me Bacon.
cheese
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El Floppo
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I thinkn the problem is that Dempsey floats with his runs, finding pockets of space rather than exploding for a diagonal run which Jozy sometimes did, and which the US needs. Wondo explodes if he's inside the 6 yard box, otherwise, I'd prefer to have bacon work on that role over the next couple days.
NewlyRetired
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everything I have read says Besler is good to go so I think it is safe to pencil him in.
I can't find any info on Bedoya. Maybe it was just cramps but it looked much different than a normal cramp issue.
IN either case Bedoya/Zusi will go 60 and Bedoya/Zusi will go 30.
So the real choice is in the front three.
Bradley.....Dempsey
.........Wondo
Bradley....Dempsey
........Bacon
Bradley....Mix
........Dempsey
While I kind of loath sticking Dempsey alone up top, the last one gives us better possession and Mix will be significantly more active defensively than Dempsey would be.
I don't know if JK was just blowing smoke (he likely was since his lips were moving) but he said he thought Bacon did a great job. If he really means that, we could easily see the same as we saw after Jozy got hurt.
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cheese
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Sorry if I missed this discussion, but given the current group standings, how much emphasis will/should the US put on just playing for a tie compared to game 1? Clearly, a tie puts us in a great position, but doesn't guarantee anything either. Do you think we'll play strategically different from the opening kick with that in mind or do you think that is more something that gets considered once we're on like 80 minutes?
Only if we get 80 minutes in.
A tie still leaves us vulnerable to the 3rd game. A win puts us through - assuming Germany doe not lose to Ghana.
Dinsy Ejotuz
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JK says they're 100% playing for the win, which I think makes sense. But if it's 1-1 in the 80th minute we'll definitely be happier to hold the ball/waste time/play for the counter and Portugal will be pressing like mad.
NewlyRetired
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I think/hope we will not play for a draw. It is unlikely Portugal will be as kind to us as Ghana was if we try and sit back the whole game.
But certainly if the score is level after 75 minutes, I could see an all hands on deck, get the point at all costs type of game.
With the desperation that Portugal is in, if we can have an effective counter attacking game, it could play right into our hands but nothing we saw in the Ghana game should give us hope. Bradley has to be on top of his game if we have any hope of countering.
Fab is so important to our offense in this set up and I am sure he is going to be told to be very careful going forward. The only positive thing Portugal had coming out of game one was CRo was going at full speed. To keep him off the board for 2 straight games is going to take some hard work and some luck.
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The Gator
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Re: Wondo playing 'these kind of players'....It's Ricardo Costa and Bruno Alves. He can deal with these guys imo. Pepe, if he was in and on his game would be a different story, but these two guys are passed it. Both are 32-3yo iirc and were never quick. Add in Neto(just a guess because Almeida isn't a natural LB) and these are guys Wondo can beat, and, imo, the kind of FOX IN THE BOX(scoobs> hi_) we need.
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Re: Mix - not sure I agree about him being more active defensively. Well, maybe more active, but not more effective. I was hoping he might find a starting role here, but when I watched him play the last couple of games, he seemed a bit "aimless" on the field, lacking the intensity that I think we need. If he was more tenacious, I think he could play Bradley's role, and let Bradley take Beckerman's spot.
Re: Bacon - he plays a different role than Jozy, so while he did not do a lot of the things we come to expect from that position - namely holding the ball up - I thought he was effective when he had the ball in terms of passing/distribution. He really need to be part of a two-man front, and not be up top by himself.
Re: Bacon - he plays a different role than Jozy, so while he did not do a lot of the things we come to expect from that position - namely holding the ball up - I thought he was effective when he had the ball in terms of passing/distribution. He really need to be part of a two-man front, and not be up top by himself.
NewlyRetired
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Gator,
I am not sure if you saw my post yesterday or if I missed your response but can you take a crack at the Portugal line up?
It looks like Pepe, Hugo Almieda, and Coentrao are out and there was an article I linked last night that says Patricio (the keeper) might be out as well
I am not sure if you saw my post yesterday or if I missed your response but can you take a crack at the Portugal line up?
It looks like Pepe, Hugo Almieda, and Coentrao are out and there was an article I linked last night that says Patricio (the keeper) might be out as well
NewlyRetired
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you can't be less effective than Dempsey was in the Ghana game defensively (some of which was likely due to his injury).
El Floppo
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I just don't see Wondo beating either of those guys, unless it's the foxy kind of beating in the 6.
They may not be quick, but they're savvy and smart vets of big teams who have played against everyone. Wondo isn't going to do anything against them with his skill-set. Bacon, at least, has the ability off the dribble to open himself up for a shot. But he's not going to do it with this back to goal and one of these guys up his butt.
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